Democracy, like eternal salvation, has somehow attained the coveted status of an eternal Right and Truth. But like belief in eternal salvation after our bodies die, democracy has no substantive legacy in living reality. We do not have any democratic civilizations that attained a lasting, greater common success as a society or body of people for any extended period of time. To be as Bush, proponent of the new mass liberal democratic system, is to be someone of great faith. Great faith is instrumental in the act of desire's triumph over reason. The failure of Aristotle's democratic Athens in ancient Greece, among many other instances of experiments in average-but-popular systems of governance attest to this view.

Jesus championed the promises of eternal salvation or condemnation into death and hell. Bush is dedicated to a reconstructed democratic world or sanctions, bombs and destruction of nationhood. Like Jesus, with Bush having once sunk to a record low of 33% public approval, the mass media temples and citizen crowds alike have elected to sacrifice not only the president, but many individual apostles among the loyal White House staff.

Jesus drew his commandments from God, believed by Judeo-Christians to be a mighty and unseen wise presence. So too does Bush act on the accords of mighty and unseen worldly-wise interests, who though willing to sacrifice their loyal son's popularity before an unfaithful citizen crowd, are well pleased in his routinely publicly unpopular obedience in the direction of a reconstructed, democratic world at all costs.

Democracy at all costs remains widely unpopular. But, like the post-medieval world's critical examination of promised eternal salvation, so too must we begin to question democracy itself as a system of average-but-popular opinions for the entire world to live by.

Jesus wasnt a dickhead.

jesus' lies didnt kill people.............

or did they.....? nah, it was the church...

arc

Bush has got a wife and kids.

He also has short hair.

Jesus had neither of these attributes.

Johnny Bravo: you are not a dickhead, but this does not make you like Jesus

Arcane: my lies have killed no one, but I am not like Jesus (it was church, monarchs and old feuds btw)

john smith: millions of people have wives, kids and short hair but none are like Jesus

I might be a dickhead some times but in no way was Jesus one.

Or mabye he was and no one wrote about that (kicked a sheep after tripping over it? Exclaimed "eeewwwww..nasty!" when a leper touched his robe?).

Hitler was also a deeply religious man who drew his commandments from God and who attempted to push through his worldview against considerable opposition. Perhaps we should annoint them all.

Bush = Hitler: NOT Christ. You see, Bush's grandfather invested in Hitler's regime and his bank got shut down for it. That is treasonous, he supported Hitler and his vileness. Anyone who thinks Bush is Christ-like has got to do some research before continuing in that ignorant set of beliefs.

Since Bush got into office he has been inflating our currency at higher and higher rates, this is going to destroy our economy, slowly but surely. You can either admit that Bush is one of the most vile men alive, or you can sleep now in the fire.

Bush = Hitler: NOT Christ. You see, Bush's grandfather invested in Hitler's regime and his bank got shut down for it. That is treasonous, he supported Hitler and his vileness.

This is a non sequitur. It does not logically follow, "because Bush's grandfather supported Hitler's regime", that "Bush is like Hitler".

Since Bush got into office he has been inflating our currency at higher and higher rates, this is going to destroy our economy, slowly but surely.

Hitler's regime was significantly economically successful for the German people until the war was well underway. Bush's regime has not been particularly economically successful overall and Bush's regime has been around for almost as long, with arguably more technologically advanced resources and a few decades more experience to draw upon. Is our economic way of life accidentally inferior, or does it by design economically oppress most people outside of an ultra-wealthy tiny minority?

You can either admit that Bush is one of the most vile men alive,

This is an argumentum ad hominem fallacy.

or you can sleep now in the fire.

This is an argumentum ad baculum fallacy. It is uncommon to encounter two logical fallacies contained within one sentence. Congratulations. :(

Well, I guess you're right then, Bush must be a good man. *discusting sarcasm*

It is true that democracy is a failure, it is too easily corrupted by the rich and powerful for their own benefit.

If you read the bible, you would find that all of Jesus teachings were based on non-violence, and loving your neighbour type stuff. Also Jesus was trying to make changes for the good of the people.

Bush on the other hand advocates violence to acheive his means, and the changes he makes are for the good of himself, and wealthy of the USA. People like Bush probably see democracy as a tool of control rather than salvation. You have to question whether Bush has faith, or is just putting on a show to satisfy his christian supporters. Someone like Bush is not willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the people either.

There is just no comparison.

Bush has got a wife and kids.

He also has short hair.

Jesus had neither of these attributes.


With the movie: "Tha Da Vinci Code" we can't be that sure :rolleyes:

More people died in Jesus name than Hitlers so Bush has a lot of work to do..

It is true that democracy is a failure, it is too easily corrupted by the rich and powerful for their own benefit.

That is the stupidest criticism of democracy I've ever heard. Is fascism more resistant to control by the rich and powerful? How about communism? I mean, what are you comparing it too? Some ideal system run by angels?

Any system of government will come to be controlled, to a greater or lesser extent, by the rich and/or powerful. At least in democracy the common people have some say in things.

As far as I know, Jesus never murdered anybody or lied to anybody. Hitler did both. I also don't think Jesus claimed the kind of divine right Bush does.

I'm an atheist, but I am a huge Jesus fan - he was a warrior against fundamentalism, it's his followers that have given him a bad name. Favorably comparing him to a pampered criminal moron is an insult to everyone.

...Any system of government will come to be controlled, to a greater or lesser extent, by the rich and/or powerful. At least in democracy the common people have some say in things.True. Churchill put it well: "Democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others."

have any democratic civilizations that attained a lasting, greater common success as a society or body of people for any extended period of time.
The natives of New Guinea have practiced democracy for at least 10,000 years. No decision can be made without everyone's input, and no one can be chief, although some people's opinions are more highly regarded.

Bush = Hitler: NOT Christ. You see, Bush's grandfather invested in Hitler's regime and his bank got shut down for it. That is treasonous, he supported Hitler and his vileness. Anyone who thinks Bush is Christ-like has got to do some research before continuing in that ignorant set of beliefs.

Since Bush got into office he has been inflating our currency at higher and higher rates, this is going to destroy our economy, slowly but surely. You can either admit that Bush is one of the most vile men alive, or you can sleep now in the fire.


bush isn't like hitler. hitler was really in the milatary ( he was a decarated veteran) and bush was well awol

When Jesus spoke people listened with awe; when Bush speaks also people listen with awe (just a different kind).

The natives of New Guinea have practiced democracy for at least 10,000 years. No decision can be made without everyone's input, and no one can be chief, although some people's opinions are more highly regarded.

Do you have any evidence to support that assertion? I mean, just saying something doesn't make it true, does it?

I've heard and read many articles and studies saying about the same thing of the Native Americans, but I suspect that the tribal system was a lot different than a simple, equal democracy. I just can't believe, will never believe, that humans can actually survive together without some system whereby there's a major controlling voice/power. A plain, simple voting majority would never survive because of the abuse of the minority opinions.

Baron Max

When Jesus spoke people listened with awe;

Hmm, not all of the people, Sam! In fact, unless I'm mistaken, some of the people even nailed Jesus to a wooden cross and stabbed him with spears. I'd say that isn't exactly listening to him with awe, is it?

when Bush speaks also people listen with awe (just a different kind).

Same as how "the people" listened to Jesus, huh? How many people listen to President Bush, and how many would nail him to a cross?

Baron Max

Hmm, not all of the people, Sam! In fact, unless I'm mistaken, some of the people even nailed Jesus to a wooden cross and stabbed him with spears. I'd say that isn't exactly listening to him with awe, is it?

Same as how "the people" listened to Jesus, huh? How many people listen to President Bush, and how many would nail him to a cross?
Baron Max


OK point taken. There's always two groups of people, one listening with awe and one wanting to nail them to the cross. :D

The failure of Aristotle's democratic Athens in ancient Greece, among many other instances of experiments in average-but-popular systems of governance attest to this view.

What the fuck are you talking about?

So when are we going to see Bush nailed to a cross?

And the U.S. is not a Democracy, it is a Representative Republic, with Democratic Principals, very much different than a Democracy, a true Democracy will never work unless man becomes divine, as we, being human, in a true Democracy will trample on the minority rights anytime they become a problem in the tribe.

Yes, but thats kinda funny, if that is a "true Democracy" then our "False Democracy" is doing a job no better.

Each U.S. Citizen should be their own senator/congressman with the voting machines as our home computers. Its such a simple thing and yet here we are, still not using our noggins.

Bush has got a wife and kids.

He also has short hair.

Jesus had neither of these attributes.

Actually, There is a debate among scholars as to wether or not Jesus was married. There are some extremely good arguments that he was married and I have even heard one that he didn't even exist. I think he existed, but it leaves a lot to be considered. A more reasonable argument that is unorthodox says that helived and was crucified and all, but didn't die (as most were not crucified to death, but rather to near death as punishment anyways) and afterwords fled to Africa, which would explain the "resurrection" thing, the quick message, the "missing" body, his quick message to the apostles, then his disapearance. The short hair thing is probably true though. No barber shops.

Jesus, under NO circumstances, used violence. He realized that spreading the Word was more important than ENFORCING it.

And please, don't give me BS about how Bush and his Neo-Con friends AREN'T enforcing anything. The reason why Iraq and Afghanistan aren't democracies yet are because the people haven't embraced democracy and that the Western powers are trying to force feed democracy to them. Yes, democracy is in the BEST interests of the people, but the people have to realize that on their own. They won't realize it by a military invasion.

I think Jesus understood that. He could've formed an army, delegated military/guerrilla leadership to his 12 Apostles, and forced the people to accept his revolutionary teachings like the Neo-conservatives do. But he didn't. It was purely by word of mouth and actions (humanitarian things like helping the crippled, healing the sick, resurrecting the dead, giving money to the poor, etc...).

Building on that point, Jesus loved ALL people, but he emphasized the lower classes/disadvantaged the most. "Blessed are the poor, for they will be the first in the kingdom of Heaven". Jesus lived among them. He helped them. He embraced them. He laughed and smiled with them.

Bush prefers to chill with his upper-class, oil baron, industrialist, and high-society friends. He likes giving them the biggest tax cuts. He likes protecting them more than the lower classes. Bush doesn't care that the wealth gap in America is become worse than EVER in American history.

Saying Bush resembles Jesus is doing a horrible disservice to Jesus. Jesus and Bush should not even be placed in the same sentence.

On the other hand, Bush doesn't resemble Hitler all that much. But if I had to choose between Hitler and Jesus, I'd say Bush resembles Hitler more.