British 'hacker' fears Guantanamo

McKinnon Interview
A British man accused of being behind the largest ever hack of US government computer networks could end up at Guantanamo Bay, his lawyer has claimed.
Gary McKinnon, from London, denies causing $700,000 (£400,000) damage to military and Nasa systems in 2001-2.

Bow Street Magistrates' Court was told the 40-year-old feared a prosecution might take place under US anti-terror laws if it agreed to his extradition.

The US said Mr McKinnon had assurances he would be tried in a federal court.

But defence lawyers said his human rights could be breached if he was sent to the US.

Mr McKinnon was remanded on bail until 10 May when District Judge Nicholas Evans will rule whether the extradition will go ahead.

'Administrative revenge'

Much of the hearing was taken up with argument over whether Mr McKinnon would be subject to Military Order Number One - a legal procedure which enables the president to specify that suspects can be detained indefinitely.

Mark Summers, representing the US government, said there was no precedent to suggest the US would breach its promises, and the court should take on "faith" the undertaking.

The US government wants to extract some kind of species of administrative revenge because he exposed their security systems as weak and helpless as they were

Edmund Lawson
Defence lawyer


Profile of Gary McKinnon

Defence lawyer Edmund Lawson said the US Embassy in London had provided an "unsigned and anonymous" diplomatic note and said Mr McKinnon was still "vulnerable" to such an order.

He said the US had not given a guarantee he will face a federal court trial.

"The US government wants to extract some kind of species of administrative revenge because he exposed their security systems as weak and helpless as they were," Mr Lawson added.

Mr McKinnon is accused of hacking into computers in 14 states, including at the Pentagon and naval weapon station Earle.

At an earlier hearing his lawyers suggested his actions were not malicious - he had been trying to expose lax computer security and access what he believed was withheld information about UFOs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4905036.stm
There is also a video interview on the site.

Gary McKinnon is a true FOLK HERO for sure. I love him, and am seriously worried about what may happen for him. hope the yanks dont get their hands on our Gary, and use him as one of their scapegoats.

I made notes abot stuff i read about him a while back, ie:
from an interview:
MKinnon: ....I know for a fact that they have antigravity. And the basic quantum-physical mechanics of having antigravity imply a free source of energy, getting energy direct from the vacuum. Now to me, that would stop all the wars over oil. It would help fight famine and (help) with irrigation. It would be free energy, and that is a huge thing.

So the U.S. developed an antigravity device?

McKInnon: Yes. Recenly, I think about two years ago. Boeing Aerospace announced tat they were putting $50 million into investigating antigravity research. For me, the timing was interesting because I thyink it is something they already have, but it's not general knowledge...

How do you come across these things? Is information on antigravity devices freely available?

McKinnon: Someof it is, but it is a combination of what is feely available and what isn't. Take te Disclosure Project...300 testimonials from people, ranging from civilian air traffic controllers to ex-commanders-in-chief of NATO saying, 'Yes, UFOs exist; yes, certain parts of the military know about this, and have and ae using the technology..."
Ganesh:"...The deafening silence from the media after that press conference is all te evidence you need on who's really pulling the strings here...[ie., after the Disclosure Project pess conference]" www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=47153&page=1

also here:
www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1523143,00.html
[interviewer asks him]: What was the most exciting thing you saw?

Gary: I found a list of officers' names under the heading NOn-Terrestrial Officers"........I looked it up. It doesn't mean little green men. What I think it means is not earth-based. Ifound a list of 'fleet-to-fleet transfers' and a list of ship names. Ilooked them up. They weren't US Navy Ships. What I saw made me believe they have some kind of space ship, off-planet."

Gary McKinnon, from London, denies causing $700,000 (£400,000) damage to military and Nasa systems in 2001-2.
Excellent if only the damage was irreversible or better yet he emptied out the Pentagons budget and gave it to the victims of Western imperialism starting with the Africans and Palestinians .
But defence lawyers said his human rights could be breached if he was sent to the US.
' Breached ' ? Railroaded in a kangaroo court would be more accurate . However the Brits do come together to protect their own , I was very impressed when those English enviromentalists took on Mc Donalds and won . The fact is the Blair goverment received a major kick in the teeth at the last election , this is a clear warning that people of Britain will be serving notice on this current UK foreign policy support of the US . Sending this man to America will only accelerate British determination to quit America's coalition of the unwilling .

Won't happen. This guy will get recruited on our side before going to jail. Well, he'll need a little scaring first before we have him work for us, unless he wasn't much of a hacker and stumbled upon a way to do what he did by luck.

- N

Gary McKinnon is a true FOLK HERO for sure. I love him, and am seriously worried about what may happen for him. hope the yanks dont get their hands on our Gary, and use him as one of their scapegoats.




The guy is a pain in the ass computer geek, who spends all his days hacking into government sites, no doubt causing millions of dollars of damage, & probably spends the rest of his time creating computer viruses, that fuck everbody's computers up.

I am sure this airhead is a perfect canditate for jail, after all its full of idiots who also could not find something constructive to do with there life.



As for being sent to Guantanamo bay, THIS IS THE USUAL PROSECUTION NONSENSE OF EITHER CLAIMING THERE CLIENT IS EITHER INSANE OR WILL FACE PERSECUTION IF SENT ABROAD TO FACE THE MUSIC.

Its all bullshit, Guantanamo bay is for terroists, not for non muslim computer nerds.


Its funny how you idolise morons like this, who cost our countries billions of dollars, through hacking & viruses, money that could be used elsewhere, like for aid relief or for new hospitals.
Your heroe's are not mine thats for sure, for me he is just another bone idle idiot, & if this is the sum of his ambitions in life to hack into government sites, then he might as well become a insurgent in iraq, another suicide bomb test dummy.

Good riddance to the space cadet, i am sure he will make many new friends in jail, and also learn the american meaning of bitch, as he makes new friends in jail.

Lube up gary.

know who i'd like to have take his place mr sir bleedin vincent. can you guess??
and qunatanemo aint for 'terrorists', its for mostly brown-skinned young men who haven't EVEN been charged in a court of law. you facist!

know who i'd like to have take his place mr sir bleedin vincent. can you guess??
and qunatanemo aint for 'terrorists', its for mostly brown-skinned young men who haven't EVEN been charged in a court of law. you facist!


Its capital S for Sir,

"can you guess??"

I am not a qualified scientist, so i feel i am not in a position to play the guess game with you.

Scientists are a hoot, i seen one senior scientist on discovery, saying there is a 66% chance or a earthquake in istanbul in the next 30 years, it being on a majour fault line, christ any imbecile could guess that.

Can i play the guess game to, i guess there is a 99.9% chance of tornadoe's in Oklahoma this year, i guess there will hundreds of mild tremors, & minor earthquakes in japan & indonesia throughout the year.





"its for mostly brown-skinned young men who haven't EVEN been charged in a court of law."

Yes the victims of these brown skinned young men as you put it, or arabs as i would say, were not guilty of anything neither before they were blown to bits,
yes lets waste billions of dollars in trials for terroists, and when its all over they can apply for asylum in our countries, and bring there hundreds of relatives over too.

Yes my heart bleeds for the shocking way terroists are treated at guantanamo bay, especially when terroists treat there victims so well, as they are beheaded or blown up, as well as human rights, we need terroists rights, is that right duendy.

Duendy's bill of terroists rights

You have the right to blow up anyone on a daily basis.
You have the right to behead anyone.
You have all the rights your victims, no longer have.
You have the right to chase christians with machettes in indonesia & nigeria where it is open (duck) i mean christian season.

Yeah,yeah, duendy boo hoo for terroists rights.

Here is my bill of rights for terroists,

You have the right to be castrated.
You have the right to be tortured, every minute of the day, until the day you die.
You have the right to have your bodily parts amputated by the victims familes.
You have the right to have your face used as a ash tray.

Its capital S for Sir,

"can you guess??"

I am not a qualified scientist, so i feel i am not in a position to play the guess game with you.

Scientists are a hoot, i seen one senior scientist on discovery, saying there is a 66% chance or a earthquake in istanbul in the next 30 years, it being on a majour fault line, christ any imbecile could guess that.

Can i play the guess game to, i guess there is a 99.9% chance of tornadoe's in Oklahoma this year, i guess there will hundreds of mild tremors, & minor earthquakes in japan & indonesia throughout the year.





"its for mostly brown-skinned young men who haven't EVEN been charged in a court of law."

Yes the victims of these brown skinned young men as you put it, or arabs as i would say, were not guilty of anything neither before they were blown to bits,
yes lets waste billions of dollars in trials for terroists, and when its all over they can apply for asylum in our countries, and bring there hundreds of relatives over too.

Yes my heart bleeds for the shocking way terroists are treated at guantanamo bay, especially when terroists treat there victims so well, as they are beheaded or blown up, as well as human rights, we need terroists rights, is that right duendy.

Duendy's bill of terroists rights

You have the right to blow up anyone on a daily basis.
You have the right to behead anyone.
You have all the rights your victims, no longer have.
You have the right to chase christians with machettes in indonesia & nigeria where it is open (duck) i mean christian season.

Yeah,yeah, duendy boo hoo for terroists rights.

Here is my bill of rights for terroists,

You have the right to be castrated.
You have the right to be tortured, every minute of the day, until the day you die.
You have the right to have your bodily parts amputated by the victims familes.
You have the right to have your face used as a ash tray.
and you have the right to think, and write, utter crap
which you do.

and you have the right to think, and write, utter crap
which you do.
I am not a apologist for terroism, but you are.

You hit me with words like facist, amonst others, do you know the meaning of these words, besides mayem & murder.

I am for religous peace, & this will never happen as long as aplogists such as yourself continue to defend muslim terroists, & continue to say there is no problems in islam, even a fucking blind, mentally retarded person can see there are majour problems in this religon.

Just what do you call muslims plotting to attack a nuclear station in australia, misunderstood, all religons are doing this?

They are not, only miltant muslims are doing this, it is not a game anymore, i deal in facts and statistics, not facism, or racism, the facts & staistics are, that since a american citizen bombed a federal buiding, every terroist bomb or attack, after that came from the muslim religon.

You can bring up the crusades & christian witch hunts, to justify modern day muslim attrocities, but i say to you or any other poster, that just shows how stupid your defence is, to quote history.

History is history, everthing develops, we move on mentally, but islam has not, they refuse to do so, they still embrace stone age mentality, they do not fit in the modern day world, there like a dodo, that does not know there extinct.

Duendy

you claim to be from the uk, if i recall, do you find it funny when after the uk bombings last year, during the cartoon demonstrations in the uk, thousands of muslim, women & men, some dressed as suicide bombers, others with placards saying bomb europe.

Tell me what type of people do these things?
Britain still hurt & mourning its citizens, months before now slapped in the face with muslims rubbing salt in our wounds, it seems they care little of what we think.

So why the hell should we care about them?