I hear this on the BBC radio this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7253933.stm

Essentially, the Brits are making new requirements for citizenship (by nonEU citizens) in the UK. The one year program requires that immigrants make an attempt at assimilating into the Brittish culture. There are also rewards for, say, volunteering in one's community, and making some sort of ``economic contribution'' to the state. The latter presumably means ``holding a job and paying taxes''.

I'm interested to hear what yall think about this.

Sounds like they are clamping down even more on the moslems.

Oh and stop saying brittish, it's so unsightly

Ve all reddy speeks de angrezzi

All that is being asked is that they make an effort to speak English to some degree and show a willingness to integrate into society. Is that such a bad thing ?

SAM, you are at it again. You immediately assume that it is directed against Mulims. How you enjoy playing the martyr. It is meant for ANYONE who wants to become a citizen. You may find this hard to believe but not all immigrants are Muslims. Look at what has been happening since the EEC was enlarged.

I recall quite distinctly the history of the British assimilation in India, you see. :)

I recall quite distinctly the history of the British assimilation in India, you see. :)

Was that a good or a bad thing ?

I hear this on the BBC radio this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7253933.stm

Essentially, the Brits are making new requirements for citizenship (by nonEU citizens) in the UK. There are also rewards for, say, volunteering in one's community, and making some sort of ``economic contribution'' to the state. The latter presumably means ``holding a job and paying taxes''.

I'm interested to hear what yall think about this.


Looks like a gimmick being pushed by politicians. First and foremost, not all immigrants are unemployed and on benefit, I read a statistic a while back which claimed that on average, immigrants and other ethnic minorities contribute more to the economy than the average White person. There are White people that don't contribute anything, don't have any qualifications, don't have jobs and are on benefit, but this whole debate is aimed at demonising coloured people, the people that keep Britain ticking.

Britain needs more immigrants. Britain needs immigrants in order to maintain the NHS, British Universities and pretty much everything else in this country. This is just a token gesture by the Gov. which = 0, they do not care about assimilation or integration.

The one year program requires that immigrants make an attempt at assimilating into the Brittish culture.


What is British culture?

How can someone become British?

Sounds like they are clamping down even more on the moslems.

Oh and stop saying brittish, it's so unsightly


Only a person with a distorted sense of reality would say such a thing.

I recall quite distinctly the history of the British assimilation in India, you see. :)

So do you blame India for giving them the boot?

Was that a good or a bad thing ?

For 200 years, it was a very very bad thing. We went from the richest country to a starving, illiterate nation cut into three pieces.

For 200 years, it was a very very bad thing. We went from the richest country to a starving, illiterate nation cut into three pieces.

True, but there are some positive things in hindsight I guess..

Only a person with a distorted sense of reality would say such a thing.

No, check it it's spelled british. You live in britain and don't know that?! Now I see what they're PO'ed about.

True, but there are some positive things in hindsight I guess..

Thats because we are Indians. We did not mock their gods or ridicule their culture to show them how broadminded and tolerant we are. In fact, even while they were destroying ours, we were improving and adopting the best of theirs.

All that is being asked is that they make an effort to speak English to some degree and show a willingness to integrate into society.


Says who?

Is that such a bad thing ?


It is essential. But you must realise it is not that easy. Its all good saying that sort of stuff but it is not close to the situation on the ground. People that come to this country do learn English, I know many people that came from Pakistan and that is pretty much the first thing they did. They dress in suits and whatnot, learn English and get on with it. However, for some that is not enough. They need to integrate? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

SAM, you are at it again. You immediately assume that it is directed against Mulims. How you enjoy playing the martyr. It is meant for ANYONE who wants to become a citizen. You may find this hard to believe but not all immigrants are Muslims. Look at what has been happening since the EEC was enlarged.


Britain has to accept that this country will change as immigrants move in (London and every major city has experienced this (positive) change over the last 30-40 years). You cannot ask for them to work here and expect them to not bring their language, culture with them. Of course they have to adapt to England but that process takes time, it is something you cannot rush.

So do you blame India for giving them the boot?

Have you heard about British immigrants in Spain?

A new study of migration from the UK to Spain reveals that many British migrants are failing to integrate well into life in their new country. A survey of 340 migrants to towns, villages, inland and coastal areas of the Malaga province in Spain finds very low levels of integration. A third of migrants rarely or never meet Spanish people (other than in shops and restaurants), 60 per cent do not speak good Spanish, half never read a Spanish newspaper, most have never voted in an election in Spain, half do not have residence cards, and over a third are not registered on the town hall register. Moreover, many are not registered with the local doctor or health service.

Migrants who are not registered, not paying National Insurance contributions and not registered with a doctor, are more likely to go home as soon as things go wrong, states researcher Dr Karen O'Reilly. "They and their families are unsettled, insecure, impermanent and poorly integrated," she argues. "Poor integration is beginning to lead to racism in some areas. The children I interviewed have all experienced or heard stories of racist abuse and taunts and many of those in international schools chose that option when they found they could not settle in the state school." As a result of these various factors there is a rapid turnover of migrant pupils in the local schools.

Research suggests, however, that the migration trend continues to grow with little signs of abating. And, despite the low levels of integration, there are migrants who are successfully integrating, and there are many who wish to integrate more. Integration, researchers conclude, could be improved by a raft of measures ranging from more accessible help and information on issues affecting migrants (such as legal, political and citizenship matters) to more reasonably-priced Spanish lessons.

I hear this on the BBC radio this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7253933.stm

Essentially, the Brits are making new requirements for citizenship (by nonEU citizens) in the UK. The one year program requires that immigrants make an attempt at assimilating into the Brittish culture. There are also rewards for, say, volunteering in one's community, and making some sort of ``economic contribution'' to the state. The latter presumably means ``holding a job and paying taxes''.

I'm interested to hear what yall think about this.

Sounds reasonable.

Thats because we are Indians. We did not mock their gods or ridicule their culture to show them how broadminded and tolerant we are. In fact, even while they were destroying ours, we were improving and adopting the best of theirs.

The reason it was so easy for the British to rule India was because of your stupid caste system. Yo have heard of "divide and conquer", well. you were already divided.

I hear this on the BBC radio this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7253933.stm

Essentially, the Brits are making new requirements for citizenship (by nonEU citizens) in the UK. The one year program requires that immigrants make an attempt at assimilating into the Brittish culture. There are also rewards for, say, volunteering in one's community, and making some sort of ``economic contribution'' to the state. The latter presumably means ``holding a job and paying taxes''.

I'm interested to hear what yall think about this.

I think its a good idea. Learn English, get a job, volunteer. What's the down side of that?

Says who?




It is essential. But you must realise it is not that easy. Its all good saying that sort of stuff but it is not close to the situation on the ground. People that come to this country do learn English, I know many people that came from Pakistan and that is pretty much the first thing they did. They dress in suits and whatnot, learn English and get on with it. However, for some that is not enough. They need to integrate? What the hell is that supposed to mean?




Britain has to accept that this country will change as immigrants move in (London and every major city has experienced this (positive) change over the last 30-40 years). You cannot ask for them to work here and expect them to not bring their language, culture with them. Of course they have to adapt to England but that process takes time, it is something you cannot rush.


Integration implies accepting the standards of behaviour and attitudes of your host country. A lot of unwelcome friction is the result of immigrants living in self-imposed ghettos - I know there is an explanation-for this - not joining in communal activities and so on. Many immigrants do so and accepted. But when we have groups who are unwilling to allow their daughters the opportunity of higher education. preferring yto marry them off at a young age, that is an example of behaviour that does not conform to British standards.

I will leave it at that.

But are those kinds of people even interested in citizenship?

Have you heard about British immigrants in Spain?

Nice try.

So do you blame India for giving them the boot?

The reason it was so easy for the British to rule India was because of your stupid caste system. Yo have heard of "divide and conquer", well. you were already divided.

Well then you have nothing to worry about, being such a united, tolerant country. :D

Nice try.

So do you blame India for giving them the boot?

We did not give them the boot for not assimilating. As you can see we have more than 200 languages and 26 states, each with their own cultures and subcultures.

We gave them the boot because they had no compunction in stealing our resources at the cost of starving us in our own country, while undermining our heritage as inferior and backward.

So they didn't assimilate then?

And you don't blame india for giving them the boot.

Thats because we are Indians. We did not mock their gods or ridicule their culture to show them how broadminded and tolerant we are. In fact, even while they were destroying ours, we were improving and adopting the best of theirs.

Uhm.. alright, a little less advertisement of superiority wouldn't hurt though..

And by the by are those speakers of the 200 languages native to the areas of india they live in? or are there africans and europeans(other than a tiny minority) in the mix? Are they ethnically indigenous to the indian subcontinent?

So they didn't assimilate then?

And you don't blame india for giving them the boot.

The Mughals did not assimilate either, but they stuck around for 800 years.

Uhm.. alright, a little less advertisement of superiority wouldn't hurt though..

Why? Its important to recognise what works in a society. Its why we have been a continuous culture for 5000 + years.

And by the by are those speakers of the 200 languages native to the areas of india they live in? or are there africans and europeans(other than a tiny minority) in the mix? Are they ethnically indigenous to the indian subcontinent?

They have found neanderthal remains in India.

Between then and now, we have had several waves of invasions, occupations and immigrations.

From Syrian Christians to Bani Israel to Persian Zorastrians to Arab merchants to Greek armies to Turkic and Mughal invasions right down to French, Dutch, Portuguese and British occupation.

I read a statistic a while back which claimed that on average, immigrants and other ethnic minorities contribute more to the economy than the average White person. There are White people that don't contribute anything, don't have any qualifications, don't have jobs and are on benefit, but this whole debate is aimed at demonising coloured people, the people that keep Britain ticking.

Britain needs more immigrants. Britain needs immigrants in order to maintain the NHS, British Universities and pretty much everything else in this country. This is just a token gesture by the Gov. which = 0, they do not care about assimilation or integration.



What is British culture?

How can someone become British?




Only a person with a distorted sense of reality would say such a thing.



Are you for real????

Who mentioned blacks?????????

The problem the uk is facing is with the white mafia from ex russian colonies, or 3rd world europe, i was not aware 3rd world europe was black?

Why is it blacks have such huge chips on there soldiers, when ever they mention the world immigrant its like they mean us, you guys have been born there, your british so get the fucking chip off your shoulder & move on, as for immigrants running the entire country where please tell me outside london & birmingham do they do this??????????

You seem to think the entire uk is in london & birmingham, you need to explore the uk sometime my friend, in my home city newcastle sometimes you can go a month without even seeing a coloured person, so your idea that there running all our hospitals etc is just stupid.


"I read a statistic a while back which claimed that on average, immigrants and other ethnic minorities contribute more to the economy than the average White person."


Please show me that, i find that totally amazing, especially when there all doing low paid jobs, and its proven that due to racism most of them are out of work, so how on earth do you get these stats!!!!!!!

It has been proved time & time again there is more out of work blacks & muslims than any other race in the uk, mainly through uk racism, muslims are getting around it by changing there names so they dont sound like a muslim name, suddenly mohammed is called steve.

I am afraid to say blacks are being labelled as muslim because of there colour, even though the vast majority are from jamacia & are not muslim.

Immigrants in the uk mainly work on the black market, & pay no taxes, example of this would be farming or building sites, i have worked with hundreds on building sites mainly from the ukraine & that was 9 years ago.

When you pay no taxes, you get all our freebies, but contribute nothing to them, instead they put a strain on everbody as people die waiting for opps, or get crushed everyday on public transport mainly in london.

So please get the chip pan off your shoulder the only people getting a raw deal here are british people, and jamacians.

The Mughals did not assimilate either, but they stuck around for 800 years.

and killed millions of native indians in the process, something you unsurprisingly ignore.



Why? Its important to recognise what works in a society. Its why we have been a continuous culture for 5000 + years.

Apart from those 800 years



They have found neanderthal remains in India.

Between then and now, we have had several waves of invasions, occupations and immigrations.

From Syrian Christians to Bani Israel to Persian Zorastrians to Arab merchants to Greek armies to Turkic and Mughal invasions right down to French, Dutch, Portuguese and British occupation.

That is hilarious the arab invaders were merchants :D

Again:

And by the by are those speakers of the 200 languages native to the areas of india they live in? or are there africans and europeans(other than a tiny minority) in the mix? Are they ethnically indigenous to the indian subcontinent?

and killed millions of native indians in the process, something you unsurprisingly ignore.
Probably because its a history that only "came to light" under the fundamentalist Hindutva party.





Apart from those 800 years

So the whole country went Mughal? No Indian culture for 800 years?:p



That is hilarious the arab invaders were merchants :D

We did not have any Arab invaders. :crazy:
I'm talking about the Arab merchants who came to India at the time of the Prophet, as well as before and after.

Again:

And by the by are those speakers of the 200 languages native to the areas of india they live in? or are there africans and europeans(other than a tiny minority) in the mix? Are they ethnically indigenous to the indian subcontinent?

Hard to tell now, though the Parsis (Iranians) and Jews do not marry outside their group and so are more ethnically closer to their place of origin.

Why are we talking about India?

The Mughals did not assimilate either, but they stuck around for 800 years.



Why? Its important to recognise what works in a society. Its why we have been a continuous culture for 5000 + years.



They have found neanderthal remains in India.

Between then and now, we have had several waves of invasions, occupations and immigrations.

From Syrian Christians to Bani Israel to Persian Zorastrians to Arab merchants to Greek armies to Turkic and Mughal invasions right down to French, Dutch, Portuguese and British occupation.

Yeah blah, blah, we had all that too the romans, the vikings, the german wanabees, the french & spanish wanabee invaders,
your point being what?

We owe you compensation, we got none from germany or you just anoth one with a chip on your shoulder, if only we never saw the brits, what would we be today????
Proabably bangladesh or sri lanka, or one big pakistan.


If the world is still around in a 100 years, your descendants will still be crying about how those nasty brits colonised you, & thats why there unemployed today, and in america the africans will still be saying because there great, great, great, great, great, great, grand father was a slave, thats the reason there unemployed today.

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, its time to move on japan was broke in 2, its now in the worlds top five economies, britain was broke, bankrupt, it too is in the top five list,
hong kong was a colony, singapore was too how the hell did they survive?

You know you can get away in life blaming those colonists for the 1st 15 years of independance after that, it just sounds stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it starts to sound like a incompedent government with there fingers in the till, india like africa is rife with corruption that has nothing to do with the uk, & everthing to do with yourselves, and that is the reason india & africa is in such poverty you screwed yourselves, & your still doing it.

But are those kinds of people even interested in citizenship?

No, that is why the new law will be enacted. It will not affect those already living here.

Yeah blah, blah, we had all that too the romans, the vikings, the german wanabees, the french & spanish wanabee invaders,
your point being what?

We owe you compensation, we got none from germany or you just anoth one with a chip on your shoulder, if only we never saw the brits, what would we be today????
Proabably bangladesh or sri lanka, or one big pakistan.


If the world is still around in a 100 years, your descendants will still be crying about how those nasty brits colonised you, & thats why there unemployed today, and in america the africans will still be saying because there great, great, great, great, great, great, grand father was a slave, thats the reason there unemployed today.

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, its time to move on japan was broke in 2, its now in the worlds top five economies, britain was broke, bankrupt, it too is in the top five list,
hong kong was a colony, singapore was too how the hell did they survive?

You know you can get away in life blaming those colonists for the 1st 15 years of independance after that, it just sounds stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it starts to sound like a incompedent government with there fingers in the till, india like africa is rife with corruption that has nothing to do with the uk, & everthing to do with yourselves, and that is the reason india & africa is in such poverty you screwed yourselves, & your still doing it.

You live in Thailand, don't you? How do people from UK live in Thailand?

When I am in Japan I try my best to speak Japanese. I hate when I see these Westerners that have lived there for 10 years and can not speak hardly any Japanese, can not read almost any Japanese at all. They look at the ideograms with a complete blank expression on their faces - after 10 - 20 years!

Only a hand full of words???

It's pathetic.


I know many Indian-Brits and English Brits who grew up in Hong Kong and moved to AU after the hand over to China. Can they speak a word of Chinese. Nothing. Nothing at all??? I just think what were your parents thinking??? You had this great opportunity to see that your children learned Chinese (you are living in China) and instead shoved the kids off to segregated English schools. Just pathetic. So pathetic.

I find that most Asians I meet are so happy I take an interest in their country, their culture and their History.


I think people should try damn hard and integrate into the society they move to. That means respecting their History and Culture and Religion and language.

Michael

For 200 years, it was a very very bad thing. We went from the richest country to a starving, illiterate nation cut into three pieces.

Funny i thought we taught you all english, which is the most important language in the world today, & is the main reason india is doing so much business with the uk & america in telemarketing sector and thats just one industry, worth billions.

Please show us how india was the richest country then, & what you define as rich? money, gold reserves, or lots of rice, because rice is not riches its rice.

"illiterate nation"
You know i look at the indian & pakistan governments today everytime i see a top government official speaking on television, i hear that posh upper class accent one gets from oxford, oh & we cut you into 3 pieces funny i thought that was the muslim population & your inability to get along with each other, the muslims who had invaded you much earlier than the brits.


You really do need to be more factual, & whenever britain is mentioned dont feel a compulsive drive to mention india, you mould your own country, india has had 60 years to mould theres, japan has had the same, i dont see japan blaming america, so once again if india can stop corruption it might advance otherwise it will always remain poor as will africa, as will pakistan.

You live in Thailand, don't you? How do people from UK live in Thailand?

I live in thailand for many reasons, sunshine, the peaceful culture, buddism, which i find is the most peaceful religon out there, oh & to get away from the booze, violence filled society the uk is becoming, oh & slimy politicians, & the class system, and civil servants, for me they could sack the entire government tommorow & hang them all in the tower of london, they are fucking hopeless, i believe in the monarchy, i believe the Queen should be ruling alone, as do many brits.
politicians are slimeballs, with no grasp on reality, & totally spin & PC, & BS.

I live in thailand for many reasons, sunshine, the peaceful culture, buddism, which i find is the most peaceful religon out there, oh & to get away from the booze, violence filled society the uk is becoming, oh & slimy politicians, & the class system, and civil servants, for me they could sack the entire government tommorow & hang them all in the tower of london, they are fucking hopeless, i believe in the monarchy, i believe the Queen should be ruling alone, as do many brits.
politicians are slimeballs, with no grasp on reality, & totally spin & PC, & BS.

So you would like to be ruled by a dysfunctional family. No accounting for taste.

So you would like to be ruled by a dysfunctional family. No accounting for taste.

Show me a family that is not, after all we are all human, as such we are imperfect are we not, or do you believe royals are different?
show me a perfect family, & i will show you a hypocrite & a liars.

I would rather my country was run by royals for many reasons, my loyalty to the Queen, and the centuries of our history with royals, i would rather have a royal family that serves a purpose, & serves the country it times of war & peace, than a bunch of 2000 politicians breast feeding the country, who's only purpose seems to snore & sleep during prime minister questions time, or to be in a coma at the house of lords.

One politicain recently paid his son for non existant freelance work for his dad to the tune of $100,000 he was supposed to helping his politician father, he since has resigned, what with there $20,000 travelling expenses, cars, many houses, we dont need these slimeballs.

The Royal family pays for itself, what you think tourists come to see the houses of parliament?

The fact that the royal family is supposed to have no powers is rather rubbish, it is the Queens army, & if a dictator or rogue prime minister ruled downing street, it would be only matter of time before the Queen would take control back by sacking the government, or asking for loyalty from her subjects.
Personally i think she should send all these breast feeding politician parasites to the tower, & off with there heads.

I hear this on the BBC radio this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7253933.stm

Essentially, the Brits are making new requirements for citizenship (by nonEU citizens) in the UK. The one year program requires that immigrants make an attempt at assimilating into the Brittish culture. There are also rewards for, say, volunteering in one's community, and making some sort of ``economic contribution'' to the state. The latter presumably means ``holding a job and paying taxes''.
I'm interested to hear what yall think about this.

and why not?

personally i think they should become british, we couldn't go and live in say America/canada without a way of supporting ourselves so why should people come here and claim benefits?

For 200 years, it was a very very bad thing. We went from the richest country to a starving, illiterate nation cut into three pieces.

You let yourselves get into a position to be exploited. If you were exploited, it was therefore your own people's fault.

The British filled your country with railways, improving infrastructure, taught you all to speak english, so you could come here and argue with fat first-worlders like myself, and gave you institutions and brought you into modern times. If the British hadn't exploited you, someone else would have, and left your country in a worse state than they found it ala Iraq, now.

Show me a family that is not, after all we are all human, as such we are imperfect are we not, or do you believe royals are different?
show me a perfect family, & i will show you a hypocrite & a liars.

I would rather my country was run by royals for many reasons, my loyalty to the Queen, and the centuries of our history with royals, i would rather have a royal family that serves a purpose, & serves the country it times of war & peace, than a bunch of 2000 politicians breast feeding the country, who's only purpose seems to snore & sleep during prime minister questions time, or to be in a coma at the house of lords.

One politicain recently paid his son for non existant freelance work for his dad to the tune of $100,000 he was supposed to helping his politician father, he since has resigned, what with there $20,000 travelling expenses, cars, many houses, we dont need these slimeballs.

The Royal family pays for itself, what you think tourists come to see the houses of parliament?

The fact that the royal family is supposed to have no powers is rather rubbish, it is the Queens army, & if a dictator or rogue prime minister ruled downing street, it would be only matter of time before the Queen would take control back by sacking the government, or asking for loyalty from her subjects.
Personally i think she should send all these breast feeding politician parasites to the tower, & off with there heads.

You'd rather have your precious "Engerland" ruled over with absolute power by a bunch of inbred Germans and Greeks then?

Who is greek in the royal family?
That is slightly worrying if it's true.
But still I think monarchy is the best system, it's how white people went from tribal pagan woodsmen to "white people- rulers of the earth".
Politicians are wussy lieing scum and giving power to the people with democracy is stupid because most people are retarded.

I think people forget what a real monarchy is, it's not just the royal family telling you what to do, it's a comprehensive system where territories are ruled by dukes and counts and everyone within the territories have their roles to play.
For example, instead of a council with bogan drop outs that come around and roughly mow parks with tractors, dropping cigarette butts as they go, each park would have a groundskeeper who gives a shit, it's just a more pleasant world on every level.
I'll take a picturesque fairytale over poverty stricken housing estates any day of the week.
If you're poor in a monarchy you plow the fields and grow crops, instead of driving around in a hotted up hatchback.
No accounting for taste indeed. It's pretty obvious which world is a more tasteful one.

And anyway, I like the royal family, considering how badly the british media loves to tear people down they can't get anything too serious on the royal family, they try and they end up with "ere's a pho'o of 'arry avin' a fag", who gives a shit?
They're decent country people in my eyes. Prince Charles is a legend, he's written interesting stuff on anthropology and sustainable farming, I like how he rolls, I don't personally like fucking horses but each to their own.
He hates how pathetic modern society is in england, and who can blame him, it's hideous.

When I think of britain now I think of a full tracksuited vicky pollard in scummy filthy streets fucking trains of paki chavs.
You think of britain under a monarchy and it's all positive, even the "unpleasant" elements have a romantic lining, they're not sickening and depressing, they're just "tragic".
Poor girls aren't obnoxious sluts, they're toiling and dreaming of more.

British history up to the present is a tale where the unambiguous moral of the story is that being ruled by a monarchy was better. People got stupid and idealistic and thought "imagine if we could all have a say?", oh yeah, that sounds good, right? Wrong, look at modern britain, indisputable proof to the contrary.

You let yourselves get into a position to be exploited. If you were exploited, it was therefore your own people's fault.

The British filled your country with railways, improving infrastructure, taught you all to speak english, so you could come here and argue with fat first-worlders like myself, and gave you institutions and brought you into modern times. If the British hadn't exploited you, someone else would have, and left your country in a worse state than they found it ala Iraq, now.

Hmm you obviously need to learn the superior Islamic way of life. Hope you appreciate it if and when we return the favor. ;)

Who is greek in the royal family?

Philip.


That is slightly worrying if it's true.
But still I think monarchy is the best system, it's how white people went from tribal pagan woodsmen to "white people- rulers of the earth".

Ermmmm, I think there were about a million other factors involved. Monarchy just let us go out and kick everyone's ass without having to put it through a committee.

Politicians are wussy lieing scum and giving power to the people with democracy is stupid because most people are retarded.

Correct.

I think people forget what a real monarchy is, it's not just the royal family telling you what to do, it's a comprehensive system where territories are ruled by dukes and counts and everyone within the territories have their roles to play.

Well, what you describe is kind of feudalism rather than just monarchy.



For example, instead of a council with bogan drop outs that come around and roughly mow parks with tractors, dropping cigarette butts as they go, each park would have a groundskeeper who gives a shit, it's just a more pleasant world on every level.
I'll take a picturesque fairytale over poverty stricken housing estates any day of the week.
If you're poor in a monarchy you plow the fields and grow crops, instead of driving around in a hotted up hatchback.
No accounting for taste indeed. It's pretty obvious which world is a more tasteful one.

Exactly, let the peasants starve!

I don't personally like fucking horses but each to their own.

Are you suggesting that Charles fucks horses?

When I think of britain now I think of a full tracksuited vicky pollard in scummy filthy streets fucking trains of paki chavs.
You think of britain under a monarchy and it's all positive, even the "unpleasant" elements have a romantic lining, they're not sickening and depressing, they're just "tragic".
Poor girls aren't obnoxious sluts, they're toiling and dreaming of more.

I think you have to blame that on more than just democracy.

British history up to the present is a tale where the unambiguous moral of the story is that being ruled by a monarchy was better. People got stupid and idealistic and thought "imagine if we could all have a say?", oh yeah, that sounds good, right? Wrong, look at modern britain, indisputable proof to the contrary.

One of Britain's biggest problems is living in the past. We keep saying "we used to be so great", and we need to put that aside before we can start nicking people's countries again like the good old days.

I think people forget what a real monarchy is, it's not just the royal family telling you what to do, it's a comprehensive system where territories are ruled by dukes and counts and everyone within the territories have their roles to play.
For example, instead of a council with bogan drop outs that come around and roughly mow parks with tractors, dropping cigarette butts as they go, each park would have a groundskeeper who gives a shit, it's just a more pleasant world on every level.
I'll take a picturesque fairytale over poverty stricken housing estates any day of the week.
If you're poor in a monarchy you plow the fields and grow crops, instead of driving around in a hotted up hatchback.
No accounting for taste indeed. It's pretty obvious which world is a more tasteful one.



When I think of britain now I think of a full tracksuited vicky pollard in scummy filthy streets fucking trains of paki chavs.
You think of britain under a monarchy and it's all positive, even the "unpleasant" elements have a romantic lining, they're not sickening and depressing, they're just "tragic".
Poor girls aren't obnoxious sluts, they're toiling and dreaming of more.



Ah you tell a good tale, & a funny one, you would make a good writer, yes the vicky pollard types are the reason i left the UK, ah little britain where we have had running water & electricity now for the last 20 years.


The ruling monarchy is

"comprehensive system" i like that & the council workers droppping ciggarette buts as they go, you have a good way of looking at life.

You'd rather have your precious "Engerland" ruled over with absolute power by a bunch of inbred Germans and Greeks then?

Greeks, phillip is married to the Queen so?
Is he heir to the throne?

The Queen has done more for the uk apart from churchill in the last century than all our dumb ass politicians put together, she has more respect worlwide than anyone in history.

She is a very intelligent woman, even at eighty she has more brains than the entire british government put together.

Eighty years of age & she still was off to singapore & oz last year on yet more government biz, she is by far the hardest worker in the UK.

Show me a family that is not, after all we are all human, as such we are imperfect are we not, or do you believe royals are different?
show me a perfect family, & i will show you a hypocrite & a liars.

I would rather my country was run by royals for many reasons, my loyalty to the Queen, and the centuries of our history with royals, i would rather have a royal family that serves a purpose, & serves the country it times of war & peace, than a bunch of 2000 politicians breast feeding the country, who's only purpose seems to snore & sleep during prime minister questions time, or to be in a coma at the house of lords.

One politicain recently paid his son for non existant freelance work for his dad to the tune of $100,000 he was supposed to helping his politician father, he since has resigned, what with there $20,000 travelling expenses, cars, many houses, we dont need these slimeballs.

The Royal family pays for itself, what you think tourists come to see the houses of parliament?

The fact that the royal family is supposed to have no powers is rather rubbish, it is the Queens army, & if a dictator or rogue prime minister ruled downing street, it would be only matter of time before the Queen would take control back by sacking the government, or asking for loyalty from her subjects.
Personally i think she should send all these breast feeding politician parasites to the tower, & off with there heads.


I have heard all these arguments before and they just don't hold water. If we abolished the royal family tomorrow, visitors would still flock to see Buck Palace, Winsor Castle and so on. How about putting all the Queen's paintings on permanent exibition?

We live in a Constitutional Monarchy. The Queen is head of state in a titular sense only. Don't yu know your history ? Power rests with parliament.

The fact that many politicians are corrupt is no argument for giving power to the monarchy. If you believe such an argument is valid, then I suggest that the deal the Queen did when her mother died, to pocket £ 20 million, is a good reason to send for someone like Nelson Mandela to replace her.


You are living in cloud cuckoo land

Greeks, phillip is married to the Queen so?
Is he heir to the throne?

The Queen has done more for the uk apart from churchill in the last century than all our dumb ass politicians put together, she has more respect worlwide than anyone in history.

She is a very intelligent woman, even at eighty she has more brains than the entire british government put together.

Eighty years of age & she still was off to singapore & oz last year on yet more government biz, she is by far the hardest worker in the UK.

The Royal family are intellectually challenged an culturally impoverished. They are into horses and corgis, polo and such like. Charles talks to plants. If Q is very intelligent, I claim the status of genius.

Philip.
Ewww.
But he's not really one of those greasy kebab making greeks is he? There's greeks and then there's greeks. Italians are the same, there's the sweaty meat merchant gypsies that crawled out of the desert, and then descendents of the civilised roman and greek empires.
I admit the whole area is a bit iffy though.

Ermmmm, I think there were about a million other factors involved. Monarchy just let us go out and kick everyone's ass without having to put it through a committee.
And that is what was required. Look at how counterproductive it is for the US to have to worry about pleasing wussy liberals while they're at war, they're so worried that they'll look bad to their citizens that they inhibit themselves from performing as well as they could.
As a result it's a big drawn out pain in the arse and it's not ever going to get anywhere.
A good king would have already dominated and subdued the region, making it an extension of his land that runs just as well only it has an adorable desert theme.

Well, what you describe is kind of feudalism rather than just monarchy.
Correct, feudalism is the system that operates under a ruling monarchy.

Exactly, let the peasants starve!
Yes, work hard growing shit for their territory or starve.
Urban despair is the result of bored peasants who don't have fields to plough.

Are you suggesting that Charles fucks horses?
Camilla is basically a horse, but who cares? It doesn't make him a bad person, I'm sure she nods and neighs with consent when he mounts her.

One of Britain's biggest problems is living in the past. We keep saying "we used to be so great", and we need to put that aside before we can start nicking people's countries again like the good old days.
I don't think forgetting it is the answer, then you'll just get complacent with the disgusting squalor like that is the way it's supposed to be.
You need to look to the past and contrast it with the present and pinpoint what changed, it is the governance, that's the main thing, everything else trickles down from that.
A feudal system under a monarchy innately does not allow for most of the problems with modern britain.

I have heard all these arguments before and they just don't hold water. If we abolished the royal family tomorrow, visitors would still flock to see Buck Palace, Winsor Castle and so on. How about putting all the Queen's paintings on permanent exibition?

We live in a Constitutional Monarchy. The Queen is head of state in a titular sense only. Don't yu know your history ? Power rests with parliament.

The fact that many politicians are corrupt is no argument for giving power to the monarchy. If you believe such an argument is valid, then I suggest that the deal the Queen did when her mother died, to pocket £ 20 million, is a good reason to send for someone like Nelson Mandela to replace her.


You are living in cloud cuckoo land


Oh tourists would come to see the royals even though we dont have any, its like going to see a play at the west end with no actors, are you a disgruntled midget court jester, paid off through cut backs at the palace?



"The Queen is head of state in a titular sense only. Don't yu know your history ? Power rests with parliament."


Yes i know all that crap, i also know a Prime minister has a limited shelve life, the Queen has been monarch for over 50years, do you honestly believe in a time of crisis in government the people & the army would be loyal to a slimeball politician with PC tattoed on his forehead, or a Queen if she deemed fit to interfere in politics.

Do you know
Past prime ministers have left downing street before terroism was rife, & they had to take a taxi to go home after there last day at downing street, no security no driver, not even cab fare, & you seem to think the british have loyalty to this?

Where is thatcher today she is a hasbeen, majour, the same, blair a middle east negotiating joke, yeah we remember bill clinton, or reagan but nobody gives a toss about ex uk PM's, unless you mention the word winston churchill, so please dont tell me we are loyal to our government we dont give a shit about them.

The Royal family are intellectually challenged an culturally impoverished. They are into horses and corgis, polo and such like. Charles talks to plants. If Q is very intelligent, I claim the status of genius.
I just firmly disagree with your aesthetic sense.
Horses and polo and dogs and gardening and the countryside is all great stuff. That's a beautifull world, contrast that with hatchbacks and subwoofers, tracksuits and drugs and venereal diseases. Give me a break.
If you have to reference idealic wholesome lifestyles when making fun of people you obviously don't have a lot to go on.

The Royal family are intellectually challenged an culturally impoverished. They are into horses and corgis, polo and such like. Charles talks to plants. If Q is very intelligent, I claim the status of genius.

What like you have never talked to yourself or anything you feel affection for other than a human, a plant is living, any serious gardener has done the same thing, me too when confronted with a dying plant.

Corgis so what, what you think she should have a rottweiler,
Like you? maybe she feels secure with her security.

Ewww.
But he's not really one of those greasy kebab making greeks is he? There's greeks and then there's greeks. Italians are the same, there's the sweaty meat merchant gypsies that crawled out of the desert, and then descendents of the civilised roman and greek empires.
I admit the whole area is a bit iffy though.


And that is what was required. Look at how counterproductive it is for the US to have to worry about pleasing wussy liberals while they're at war, they're so worried that they'll look bad to their citizens that they inhibit themselves from performing as well as they could.
As a result it's a big drawn out pain in the arse and it's not ever going to get anywhere.
A good king would have already dominated and subdued the region, making it an extension of his land that runs just as well only it has an adorable desert theme.


Correct, feudalism is the system that operates under a ruling monarchy.


Yes, work hard growing shit for their territory or starve.
Urban despair is the result of bored peasants who don't have fields to plough.


Camilla is basically a horse, but who cares? It doesn't make him a bad person, I'm sure she nods and neighs with consent when he mounts her.


I don't think forgetting it is the answer, then you'll just get complacent with the disgusting squalor like that is the way it's supposed to be.
You need to look to the past and contrast it with the present and pinpoint what changed, it is the governance, that's the main thing, everything else trickles down from that.
A feudal system under a monarchy innately does not allow for most of the problems with modern britain.

A masterpeice, you should be writing for little britain, by far the funniest post i have read here, & you really have a talent for writing that you should explore.

Greeks, phillip is married to the Queen so?
Is he heir to the throne?

The Queen has done more for the uk apart from churchill in the last century than all our dumb ass politicians put together, she has more respect worlwide than anyone in history.

Then give me a few examples of these achievements of our Queen that have almost surpassed those of Churchill. Since there are so many it should be easy.

He said apart from Churchill...

Anyway I think the current queen hasn't really had a chance to do anything too significant, that is precisely the problem, that is what should be changed.
Even Churchill is an underachiever compared to kings and queens of the past who actually had power.

Like James the VI of Scotland who basically invented the country we live in today?

Then give me a few examples of these achievements of our Queen that have almost surpassed those of Churchill. Since there are so many it should be easy.

Why on earth do you think the uk flag is such a popular thing worldwide be it on clothes, shirts blah, blah, she has done more to promote the uk worlwide than any politician has worldwide in any other country or for that matter royal, can you say the king of spain has promoted spain? he never leaves his palace, she has visited hundreds of countries, one example of the respect for her would be here in asia, a singaporean man who met her 20 or so years ago when she drank from a cup at his house, lined the street last year to welcome her back with the cup in hand, and thats just singapore, 5000 miles away.

Just because your scottish & we murdered your queen, as a child i remember her jubilee year, every street in the uk had street parties, you seem to underestimate the respect she has, she has seen off every prime minister since churchill, & every president since eisenhower, she is the uk.

Why on earth do you think the uk flag is such a popular thing worldwide be it on clothes, shirts blah, blah, she has done more to promote the uk worlwide than any politician has worldwide in any other country or for that matter royal, can you say the king of spain has promoted spain?

Who gives a fuck if our flag is on some foreigner's T-Shirt? In the old days it was flying over their CAPITAL. That's a pathetic example of NOTHING.

he never leaves his palace, she has visited hundreds of countries, one example of the respect for her would be here in asia, a singaporean man who met her 20 or so years ago when she drank from a cup at his house, lined the street last year to welcome her back with the cup in hand, and thats just singapore, 5000 miles away.

WOW OUR QUEEN VISITS PLACES!!!! This will surely go down in the annals of history. Another completely useless example.

Just because your scottish & we murdered your queen

Was that supposed to piss me off? Shall I remind you that the first king of Britain, who the english bowed down to, and also the reason you are part of that nation and not just plain old extremely ugly inbred england is because of a Scot, that "murdered" Queen's son no less? You owe your entire national identity to a Scottish man, oh, and a nation 1/10th the size of you kicked your ass out of their country and invaded you countless times. england sucks, end of story. There you go, there's the whole england-Scotland thing out of the way.

as a child i remember her jubilee year, every street in the uk had street parties, you seem to underestimate the respect she has, she has seen off every prime minister since churchill, & every president since eisenhower, she is the uk.

She is an old woman in a fancy dress, who has done almost bugger all as monarch. Give me some examples of anything EVEN REMOTELY SIGNIFICANT the Queen has done. Something that will actually be remembered in 500 years. Do you seriously think in 2508 your descendents will be sitting in their classrooms being told amongst the tales of the reigns of kings and queens who rode at the head of armies, fought battles that shaped our nation, triumphed over foreign armadas and invasions and put half the world under British rule "Elizabeth II is most known for occasionally visiting places?"....amongst historical monarchs her reign so far will be glossed over as completely trivial. Stop wasting my time and give me a real example.

Oh tourists would come to see the royals even though we dont have any, its like going to see a play at the west end with no actors, are you a disgruntled midget court jester, paid off through cut backs at the palace?



"The Queen is head of state in a titular sense only. Don't yu know your history ? Power rests with parliament."


Yes i know all that crap, i also know a Prime minister has a limited shelve life, the Queen has been monarch for over 50years, do you honestly believe in a time of crisis in government the people & the army would be loyal to a slimeball politician with PC tattoed on his forehead, or a Queen if she deemed fit to interfere in politics.

Do you know
Past prime ministers have left downing street before terroism was rife, & they had to take a taxi to go home after there last day at downing street, no security no driver, not even cab fare, & you seem to think the british have loyalty to this?

Where is thatcher today she is a hasbeen, majour, the same, blair a middle east negotiating joke, yeah we remember bill clinton, or reagan but nobody gives a toss about ex uk PM's, unless you mention the word winston churchill, so please dont tell me we are loyal to our government we dont give a shit about them.


Bollocks. Visit the Loire valley in France and see palaces of former kings making lots of money on admission, sales of booklets and souvenir items..Then visit Versailles and notice how many vistors there are on any dau you choose. The know the Roi Soleil is no longer in residence but that does not deter them.

As for British loyalties to the Crown, you will find the majority are women who are interested in spectacles and not remotely interested in politics. The remainder is made up of the hangers-on who get perks cuch as grace -and -favour residences, trips to Ascot Races ,Henley Regatta and polo at Smith's Lawn.


Did you know that Charles' valet puts paste on HRH's toothbrush for him. The whole thing is an expensive joke.

One scene I shall never forget is a visit by the Queen to a hospital for terminally ill children. One little girl of about eight yearts of age approached the Q and offered her a bouquet. The child was dying of leukemia. A normal human being would have given the child a hug but not Q. I assume she would not depart from protocall , whatever the reason. She just took the bouquet and gave the kid an imperial smile. The sight almost made me cry.

And you would have such people running the country. You are the best argument I have come across for a republic in a long time.

I just firmly disagree with your aesthetic sense.
Horses and polo and dogs and gardening and the countryside is all great stuff. That's a beautifull world, contrast that with hatchbacks and subwoofers, tracksuits and drugs and venereal diseases. Give me a break.
If you have to reference idealic wholesome lifestyles when making fun of people you obviously don't have a lot to go on.

You will find this hard to understand but give it your best shot. Apart from doing our gardens and walking our dogs , many of us find time to go to the theatre, symphony concerts and literary festivals.

Your argument is nonsense. You are simply picking a few objectionable aspects of society and comparing it with the countriside. I never said anything derogatory about the countryside; I spoke of a group of people with very narrow interests. So don't put words in my mouth. What have you got against tracksuits. I can only assume that you consider polo and fox hunting a better form of exercise.

One scene I shall never forget is a visit by the Queen to a hospital for terminally ill children. One little girl of about eight yearts of age approached the Q and offered her a bouquet. The child was dying of leukemia. A normal human being would have given the child a hug but not Q. I assume she would not depart from protocall , whatever the reason. She just took the bouquet and gave the kid an imperial smile. The sight almost made me cry.

And you would have such people running the country. You are the best argument I have come across for a republic in a long time.

So you define normal & abnormal people based on whether they hug & pet people up or not or plant kisses all over you, i'm a kissy sort of person, however i dont judge others based on my own emotional responses, you know princess diana did all that, & many a time she come over as false doing it, sometimes i swear she was doing it all for the camera's.

Try looking at it from a intelligent view, does a small child fighting leukamia & a need to be strong, need a supposed adult, weeping, kissing them petting them up & making them look like there in a desperate state, or would these kids not be better served with a strong response, a person to give them strength.

There are 2 sides to every view, your dislike for royals is making you see the worst in them.

Who gives a fuck if our flag is on some foreigner's T-Shirt? In the old days it was flying over their CAPITAL. That's a pathetic example of NOTHING.



WOW OUR QUEEN VISITS PLACES!!!! This will surely go down in the annals of history. Another completely useless example.



Was that supposed to piss me off? Shall I remind you that the first king of Britain, who the english bowed down to, and also the reason you are part of that nation and not just plain old extremely ugly inbred england is because of a Scot, that "murdered" Queen's son no less? You owe your entire national identity to a Scottish man, oh, and a nation 1/10th the size of you kicked your ass out of their country and invaded you countless times. england sucks, end of story. There you go, there's the whole england-Scotland thing out of the way.



She is an old woman in a fancy dress, who has done almost bugger all as monarch. Give me some examples of anything EVEN REMOTELY SIGNIFICANT the Queen has done. Something that will actually be remembered in 500 years. Do you seriously think in 2508 your descendents will be sitting in their classrooms being told amongst the tales of the reigns of kings and queens who rode at the head of armies, fought battles that shaped our nation, triumphed over foreign armadas and invasions and put half the world under British rule "Elizabeth II is most known for occasionally visiting places?"....amongst historical monarchs her reign so far will be glossed over as completely trivial. Stop wasting my time and give me a real example.


yeah she visits places, so does blair & bush usually with a business entourage doing deals, charles often went with blair & uk businessmen, why dont you get a jigsaw & fill in the pieces, or a dot to dot book, nothing sells like the british royal family, especially in america, or do you deny that too, the process of doing so the uk is in the top five or world economies for decades, is it possible for you to see that the queen is a ambassador for us abroad, i am not going to debate to a scotsman about royalty, the reality is we killed your queen, you guys have no loyalty to anyone but a whiskey bottle & a can of beer.

The Queen has the power to dissolve Parliament, among other things. She has more teeth than people give her credit for if she should choose to use them.

From Wiki:

" The executive authority of the government is theoretically and nominally vested in the Sovereign; the powers that belong to the Crown are collectively known as the Royal Prerogative. The Royal Prerogative includes many powers (such as the powers to dissolve Parliament, regulate the civil service, issue passports, make treaties or send ambassadors) as well as certain duties (such as the duties to defend the realm and to maintain the Queen's peace). As the British monarchy is a constitutional one, however, the monarch acts within the constraints of convention and precedent, exercising the Royal Prerogative on the advice of ministers. The Prime Minister and ministers are, in turn, accountable to the democratically elected House of Commons and, through it, to the people. Parliamentary approval is not required for the exercise of the Royal Prerogative; moreover, the Consent of the Crown must be obtained before either House may even debate a bill affecting the Sovereign's prerogatives or interests. Although the Royal Prerogative is extensive, it is not unlimited. For example, the monarch does not have the prerogative to impose and collect new taxes; such an action requires the authorisation of an Act of Parliament."

Wow, I didn't know that.
She should man up and dissolve parliament, that would be awesome.
Maybe King Harry will.

[QUOTE=vincent28uk;1760727]So you define normal & abnormal people based on whether they hug & pet people up or not or plant kisses all over you, i'm a kissy sort of person, however i dont judge others based on my own emotional responses, you know princess diana did all that, & many a time she come over as false doing it, sometimes i swear she was doing it all for the camera's.

Try looking at it from a intelligent view, does a small child fighting leukamia & a need to be strong, need a supposed adult, weeping, kissing them petting them up & making them look like there in a desperate state, or would these kids not be better served with a strong response, a person to give them strength.
There are 2 sides to every view, your dislike for royals is making you see the worst in the

I shall make this my last post to you because you are either very silly or you are joking and I am not willing to waste my time.

Your attitude is unbelievable. If a child fall in the street it is natural for an adult to pick it up and comfort it. The Q was not concerned with giving the child strength; it was a matter of protocol or lack of empathy which made her behave as she did. Imagine an adult being given fklowers by an eight-year old , terminally ill child without feeling the need to hug the child, hold its hand or whatever. If you regard that as acceptable behaviour then, in my opinion, there is something lacking in you. There are not always two sides to every story. I regard the behaviour I observed as abnormal in that it betrays a lack of empathy, compassion or any of the associated feelings which come naturally to most people. What the child got was not a strong response; she was ignored

The Queen has the power to dissolve Parliament, among other things. She has more teeth than people give her credit for if she should choose to use them.

From Wiki:

" The executive authority of the government is theoretically and nominally vested in the Sovereign; the powers that belong to the Crown are collectively known as the Royal Prerogative. The Royal Prerogative includes many powers (such as the powers to dissolve Parliament, regulate the civil service, issue passports, make treaties or send ambassadors) as well as certain duties (such as the duties to defend the realm and to maintain the Queen's peace). As the British monarchy is a constitutional one, however, the monarch acts within the constraints of convention and precedent, exercising the Royal Prerogative on the advice of ministers. The Prime Minister and ministers are, in turn, accountable to the democratically elected House of Commons and, through it, to the people. Parliamentary approval is not required for the exercise of the Royal Prerogative; moreover, the Consent of the Crown must be obtained before either House may even debate a bill affecting the Sovereign's prerogatives or interests. Although the Royal Prerogative is extensive, it is not unlimited. For example, the monarch does not have the prerogative to impose and collect new taxes; such an action requires the authorisation of an Act of Parliament."

You could have saved yoursel a lot of trouble if you had read your first sentence. What do you think "nominally" means ? You cut and paste without understanding the content of your post.

Vincent, it's not hard to tell from your incorrect spelling and badly punctuated posts that you are one of those die-hard tabloid readers who (if you hadn't fled the country) would probably have one of those "maddie" cutouts stuck to the window of your council flat. You're probably still mourning the death of Di, and we all know why. You are a peasant. Here in the UK you were probably a van driver or a builder. People like you do not have a place in even a semi-intelligent debate about monarchy versus other forms of government. Now fold away your Union Jack and continue with life as usual in your sweaty asian tax haven/hideout/brothel.

[QUOTE=vincent28uk;1760727]So you define normal & abnormal people based on whether they hug & pet people up or not or plant kisses all over you, i'm a kissy sort of person, however i dont judge others based on my own emotional responses, you know princess diana did all that, & many a time she come over as false doing it, sometimes i swear she was doing it all for the camera's.

Try looking at it from a intelligent view, does a small child fighting leukamia & a need to be strong, need a supposed adult, weeping, kissing them petting them up & making them look like there in a desperate state, or would these kids not be better served with a strong response, a person to give them strength.
There are 2 sides to every view, your dislike for royals is making you see the worst in the

I shall make this my last post to you because you are either very silly or you are joking and I am not willing to waste my time.

[COLOR="blue attitude is unbelievable. If a child fall in the street it is natural for an adult to pick it up and comfort it. The Q was not concerned with giving the child strength; it was a matter of protocol or lack of empathy which made her behave as she did. Imagine an adult being given fklowers by an eight-year old , terminally ill child without feeling the need to hug the child, hold its hand or whatever. If you regard that as acceptable behaviour then, in my opinion, there is something lacking in you. There are not always two sides to every story. I regard the behaviour I observed as abnormal in that it betrays a lack of empathy, compassion or any of the associated feelings which come naturally to most people. What the child got was not a strong response; she was ignored[/COLOR]


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070410103023.htm



Science News

Stress May Help Cancer Cells Resist Treatment

ScienceDaily (Apr. 11, 2007) — Scientists from Wake Forest University School of Medicine are the first to report that the stress hormone epinephrine causes changes in prostate and breast cancer cells that may make them resistant to cell death.

"These data imply that emotional stress may contribute to the development of cancer and may also reduce the effectiveness of cancer treatments," said George Kulik, D.V.M., Ph.D., an assistant professor of cancer biology and senior researcher

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You say i am dumb?

I know stress in hospitals where kids are suffering from cancer is stupid, you might as well just cancer the greenlight.

And believe it or not the process of hugging or kissing a a total stranger, can be enough to get that person crying, you seem to think its very easy to hug a sick child and not cry, like you wanted the queen to do, me i would crack, would that help the child no it probably would start the kid off & speed up the cancer process.

So please drop your hugging & kissing bullshit, sick people dont need it, terminal people with days left yes.

Also do you think its wise for a monarch to commit herself emotionally to every sick person she see's in hospital, do you know many celebrities stop doing the hospital circuit, why it tears them apart.

A monarch is supposed to be strong, not a crying wreck, like tony blair has been, many times i thought the prick was going to burst into tears on the world stage during the london bombings, what signal does that send to terroists.

So before you think about doing a hug in at your nearest cancer hospital, be aware you may be kicked off the ward, also have you ever thought the parents asked the queen to be strong un emotional, unlike you maybe they know about what stress does.

Vincent, it's not hard to tell from your incorrect spelling and badly punctuated posts that you are one of those die-hard tabloid readers who (if you hadn't fled the country) would probably have one of those "maddie" cutouts stuck to the window of your council flat. You're probably still mourning the death of Di, and we all know why. You are a peasant. Here in the UK you were probably a van driver or a builder. People like you do not have a place in even a semi-intelligent debate about monarchy versus other forms of government. Now fold away your Union Jack and continue with life as usual in your sweaty asian tax haven/hideout/brothel.

Yeah & your a scotsman, your in a different country, different parliament, different football team & different bank notes, so do you think your in a position to be debating royalty when the nearest you & you ilk came to it was mary queen of scots, who's head was cut off by us, do you want it back?

Yeah & your a scotsman, your in a different country, different parliament, different football team & different bank notes, so do you think your in a position to be debating royalty when the nearest you & you ilk came to it was mary queen of scots, who's head was cut off by us, do you want it back?

Did you miss the part about her son becoming the first king of Britain? Ruling over england? english lords bowing to him? I knew you were at best semi-literate but to miss an entire point because of that is fairly ridiculous. Come on now vincent, a is for apple, t is for tabloid fuckwit, and so on.

[QUOTE=Myles;1760873]


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070410103023.htm



Science News

Stress May Help Cancer Cells Resist Treatment

ScienceDaily (Apr. 11, 2007) — Scientists from Wake Forest University School of Medicine are the first to report that the stress hormone epinephrine causes changes in prostate and breast cancer cells that may make them resistant to cell death.

"These data imply that emotional stress may contribute to the development of cancer and may also reduce the effectiveness of cancer treatments," said George Kulik, D.V.M., Ph.D., an assistant professor of cancer biology and senior researcher

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You say i am dumb?

I know stress in hospitals where kids are suffering from cancer is stupid, you might as well just cancer the greenlight.

And believe it or not the process of hugging or kissing a a total stranger, can be enough to get that person crying, you seem to think its very easy to hug a sick child and not cry, like you wanted the queen to do, me i would crack, would that help the child no it probably would start the kid off & speed up the cancer process.

So please drop your hugging & kissing bullshit, sick people dont need it, terminal people with days left yes.

Also do you think its wise for a monarch to commit herself emotionally to every sick person she see's in hospital, do you know many celebrities stop doing the hospital circuit, why it tears them apart.

A monarch is supposed to be strong, not a crying wreck, like tony blair has been, many times i thought the prick was going to burst into tears on the world stage during the london bombings, what signal does that send to terroists.

So before you think about doing a hug in at your nearest cancer hospital, be aware you may be kicked off the ward, also have you ever thought the parents asked the queen to be strong un emotional, unlike you maybe they know about what stress does.

In my opinion you are stupid beyond belief. I told you the child was TERMINALLY ill. The article you refer to mentions that research is necessary which means the link has not been proven to exist.

And now for the funniest, or should that be the most pathetic bits. First , the parents would have got nowhere near the Queen. Second, " A monarch is supposed to be strong". How about . a monarch should be more than a robot ? Last, As we all know, the Queen is up to speed because of her scientific background, thanks to the nannies who taught her.

I never suggested that we all go around cancer wards hugging people. I said no more than the Queen failed to act like a normal human being would have done in similar circumstances.

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070410103023.htm



Science News

Stress May Help Cancer Cells Resist Treatment

ScienceDaily (Apr. 11, 2007) — Scientists from Wake Forest University School of Medicine are the first to report that the stress hormone epinephrine causes changes in prostate and breast cancer cells that may make them resistant to cell death.

"These data imply that emotional stress may contribute to the development of cancer and may also reduce the effectiveness of cancer treatments," said George Kulik, D.V.M., Ph.D., an assistant professor of cancer biology and senior researcher

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You say i am dumb?

I know stress in hospitals where kids are suffering from cancer is stupid, you might as well just cancer the greenlight.

And believe it or not the process of hugging or kissing a a total stranger, can be enough to get that person crying, you seem to think its very easy to hug a sick child and not cry, like you wanted the queen to do, me i would crack, would that help the child no it probably would start the kid off & speed up the cancer process.

So please drop your hugging & kissing bullshit, sick people dont need it, terminal people with days left yes.

Also do you think its wise for a monarch to commit herself emotionally to every sick person she see's in hospital, do you know many celebrities stop doing the hospital circuit, why it tears them apart.

A monarch is supposed to be strong, not a crying wreck, like tony blair has been, many times i thought the prick was going to burst into tears on the world stage during the london bombings, what signal does that send to terroists.

So before you think about doing a hug in at your nearest cancer hospital, be aware you may be kicked off the ward, also have you ever thought the parents asked the queen to be strong un emotional, unlike you maybe they know about what stress does.

In my opinion you are stupid beyond belief. I told you the child was TERMINALLY ill. The article you refer to mentions that research is necessary which means the link has not been proven to exist.

And now for the funniest, or should that be the most pathetic bits. First , the parents would have got nowhere near the Queen. Second, " A monarch is supposed to be strong". How about . a monarch should be more than a robot ? Last, As we all know, the Queen is up to speed in science because, thanks to the nannies who taught her.

I never suggested that we all go around cancer wards hugging people. I said no more than the Queen failed to act like a normal human being would have done in similar circumstances. I shall not respond to any more of your infantile crap.

Did you miss the part about her son becoming the first king of Britain? Ruling over england? english lords bowing to him? I knew you were at best semi-literate but to miss an entire point because of that is fairly ridiculous. Come on now vincent, a is for apple, t is for tabloid fuckwit, and so on.

You know the years i have posted here, i know someone has lost the argument, when they resort to insults lets see i am a fuckwit, who is illiterate, well at least i know you lost, illiterate, sorry did i miss type, i did know i was presenting my posts to a publisher, i thought it was just a forum, you know there are forums i am sure devoted to the entire issue of spelling, comma's, blah, blah, why dont you join one?

Me i have better things to do than to check every comma & spelling for someone like you, i always thought the post was more important than everthing else, but if you get a hard on over spelling mistakes & comma's more power to you, i wish you luck on this exciting career of yours, LOL.

P.s. education lessons from the scots, considering 80% of the uk population cant even understand you guys speaking english thats really rich, the only scottish tv show ever to be shown on uk television was taggart does that not tell you we cant understand a word any of you guys are saying, the irish, the welsh we understand but scots, you guys are on a planet of your own, & dont forget the language you speak is english, that must be insulting for a country called scotland. have a nice day.

"scotland. have"

ooops fullstop then lowercase h, oh and i did not use a capital for scotland, oh well get the forum spelling police on to me, how about spellitol, instead of interpol, & you can be the head of it.

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In my opinion you are stupid beyond belief. I told you the child was TERMINALLY ill. The article you refer to mentions that research is necessary which means the link has not been proven to exist.

And now for the funniest, or should that be the most pathetic bits. First , the parents would have got nowhere near the Queen. Second, " A monarch is supposed to be strong". How about . a monarch should be more than a robot ? Last, As we all know, the Queen is up to speed in science because, thanks to the nannies who taught her.

I never suggested that we all go around cancer wards hugging people. I said no more than the Queen failed to act like a normal human being would have done in similar circumstances. I shall not respond to any more of your infantile crap.


oh its normal behaviour for everyone to hug total strangers?

Have you ever heard of a type of humanbeing who is not a huggy kissy sort of person they make up nearly 33% or more of the population, i have 4 brothers, 2 have never kissed my mother in there entire life to her amazement, all families are like this, & just because they are, they become freaks or abnormal in your intelligent eyes.

the whole country knows the Queen is not a huggy, kissy person, so i guess she is the same as every family in the uk, or is your family different is everyone in your family huggy & kissy?

Some kids have never even had a kiss off there mother, we all show emotions differently, if you want to fit the entire population into your huggy kissy box you really need help mate?

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In my opinion you are stupid beyond belief. I told you the child was TERMINALLY ill. The article you refer to mentions that research is necessary which means the link has not been proven to exist.



Oh you want a world of proof now?

Doctors dont even know how the majority of medicines actually work on the body, ciggarettes causes cancer, says who, oh research, what proof????

I know of people who have smoked 5 pakets a day & lived to be 90, what happened with them? wheres there cancer?

25% of supposed lung cancer patients operated on worldwide do not even have cancer, even though a battery of tests results from pet scans etc said they did.

You want proof are you joking the entire world is based on guessing.

i am a fuckwit, who is illiterate

Well at least you're man enough to admit it.


P.s. education lessons from the scots, considering 80% of the uk population cant even understand you guys speaking english thats really rich, the only scottish tv show ever to be shown on uk television was taggart does that not tell you we cant understand a word any of you guys are saying, the irish, the welsh we understand but scots, you guys are on a planet of your own, & dont forget the language you speak is english, that must be insulting for a country called scotland. have a nice day.

Wow, all that in one sentence. Practically half the world speaks english, so let's see you go round a poster from every other english-speaking country with that bullshit. The reason they speak english is because of the British Empire. Might I remind you once again that Britain was invented by a Scottish man?

ooops fullstop then lowercase h, oh and i did not use a capital for scotland, oh well get the forum spelling police on to me, how about spellitol, instead of interpol, & you can be the head of it.

There are 10 year olds who spell and punctuate better than you, vincent. Does that not even bother you? How you present yourself here makes the difference between someone taking you seriously and someone just muttering "Pfff, fuckwit" and moving on to the post below yours. You take this debating thing seriously, so why not at least TRY to look intelligent even if you're not?

Well at least you're man enough to admit it.




Wow, all that in one sentence. Practically half the world speaks english, so let's see you go round a poster from every other english-speaking country with that bullshit. The reason they speak english is because of the British Empire. Might I remind you once again that Britain was invented by a Scottish man?



There are 10 year olds who spell and punctuate better than you, vincent. Does that not even bother you? How you present yourself here makes the difference between someone taking you seriously and someone just muttering "Pfff, fuckwit" and moving on to the post below yours. You take this debating thing seriously, so why not at least TRY to look intelligent even if you're not?



Your like a lepricorn with piles, sitting on a poisonous toadstool, you spend your entire time in the forum spitting your bile at posters, jesus what a disgruntled life you must have, call me all you want, i pity you more than anything.

The illiterate halfwit pities me from his asian den of prostitutes?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

He meant leprechaun, he also meant you're and he definitely needs help.
Vincent we28u, O.K?

Aahahaha! comin' at ya from the colonies too!

Baahahahaha!!

The illiterate halfwit pities me from his asian den of prostitutes?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.



So far you have called me Illiterate, a fuckwit, & a halfwit, anymore insults?

Its 37%c here today in bangkok, whats the temp. in scotland? well its 6C or at best 11C in glasgow, that sounds like a lot of fun, its hell here i have to put aircon on just to keep the room to 20c, i want you to know i am thinking of you as you freeze your tits off everyday, and i hope you are thinking of me, as i sunbathe by the pool every day with my many prostitutes.

My day has been hectic,
Spent a hour in the jacuzzi, then went to the sauna, all at my appartment, then went shopping bought a pair of levi 501's for £7 yeah thats what they cost here, then went for a kfc 3piece chicken and large fries cost £1, yeah thats the cost here, everthing is fucking cheap, tweet, tweet, cheap, cheap.
Now its 8pm, got 2 prostitutes coming round, we will be off to the swimming pool to teach them the breaststroke.

What was you day like?

Well you got up quickly in your council house flat, put on your overcoat & ran to sit in front of your gas fire to defrost for a hour, then you quickly ran out to the off licence to get 3 or 4 bottles of whiskey to see you through until monday, then went for a kfc cost £10 same as me, as well, then you went for a taggart dvd (the only ever scottish show to be shown on british tv history, jesus your kidding?).
Now your pissed & getting ready to insult posters, then it will be time to put your gloves & hat on & go back to sleep.

Enjoy............
p.s. you got any bay city rollers or rod stewart albums you can send me?

Vincent, You great tool!!!
You are in Bangkok and eating KFC.
Fuck me, you can take the Pom out of England but you CANNOT take Pommyland out of the pom.

That's just about the most pathetic, sad and distasteful thing I've ever heard.

Umm! Vincent. Does Tom Yum Goong mean anything to you, pad see ew?

Pad thai? Phat kaphrao?
Yam nua?
Tom kha kai?

Fuck mate, you've got pink phalang written all over you!...Proud?

So far you have called me Illiterate, a fuckwit, & a halfwit, anymore insults?

Its 37%c here today in bangkok, whats the temp. in scotland? well its 6C or at best 11C in glasgow, that sounds like a lot of fun, its hell here i have to put aircon on just to keep the room to 20c, i want you to know i am thinking of you as you freeze your tits off everyday, and i hope you are thinking of me, as i sunbathe by the pool every day with my many prostitutes.

My day has been hectic,
Spent a hour in the jacuzzi, then went to the sauna, all at my appartment, then went shopping bought a pair of levi 501's for £7 yeah thats what they cost here, then went for a kfc 3piece chicken and large fries cost £1, yeah thats the cost here, everthing is fucking cheap, tweet, tweet, cheap, cheap.
Now its 8pm, got 2 prostitutes coming round, we will be off to the swimming pool to teach them the breaststroke.

What was you day like?

Well you got up quickly in your council house flat, put on your overcoat & ran to sit in front of your gas fire to defrost for a hour, then you quickly ran out to the off licence to get 3 or 4 bottles of whiskey to see you through until monday, then went for a kfc cost £10 same as me, as well, then you went for a taggart dvd (the only ever scottish show to be shown on british tv history, jesus your kidding?).
Now your pissed & getting ready to insult posters, then it will be time to put your gloves & hat on & go back to sleep.

Enjoy............
p.s. you got any bay city rollers or rod stewart albums you can send me?

What the hell? They let you out of jail for KFC now? How much you pay the guards for that privilege?

Ugh.. There's a mental pic I did not need to have.:bawl:

and i hope you are thinking of me, as i sunbathe by the pool every day with my many prostitutes.
Aren't most of the prostitutes in Thailand, children or underage? Not something you should be boasting about Vince. Just makes you look like an old perv.

Umm! Vincent. Does Tom Yum Goong mean anything to you, pad see ew?
Them's be foreign food Spud. He needs to be true to the mother country (and mother load) by eating good old greasy fare, under the guise of KFC. Not really English but tasteless and greasy just the same..:)

What the hell? They let you out of jail for KFC now? How much you pay the guards for that privilege?

Ugh.. There's a mental pic I did not need to have.:bawl:


Aren't most of the prostitutes in Thailand, children or underage? Not something you should be boasting about Vince. Just makes you look like an old perv.


Them's be foreign food Spud. He needs to be true to the mother country (and mother load) by eating good old greasy fare, under the guise of KFC. Not really English but tasteless and greasy just the same..:)


Hi Bells my true love, i miss you too, actually fish & chips is my favourite food, or kangaroo meat, not may of them jumping around here though, i am very glad to report to you there is no underage prostitutes here anymore, when i first came here it was rife & touts offered it daily on the streets, but i have had no touts offering this service for 4years at least.
But i am sorry to say it is still going on in vietnam & cambodia, gary glitter is proof of that.

Bells i never got a PM valentines from you, why?

then went for a kfc

Definitive proof that vincent28IQ is peasant scum.

Case closed.

I recall quite distinctly the history of the British assimilation in India, you see. :-)
aggg, you're older that I thought, what are you, about 80?

I recall quite distinctly the history...
did you mean from history books or did you live during that era?

What is British culture?

How can someone become British?

if you don't know, I guess they wasted all that education on a sleepyhead, all I can say is, more coffee, less tea

British history started over 2k ago, way before 1984;
Celts, Cartaginians, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, Normans, all shaken & stirred & then blended together to form your current homeland

of course, if its people don't know it, it could end tomorrow

As a Briton, you don't hear me bitching about Rome do you? Or Denmark/Norway?

Some things occur in history that we don't have any control over and quite frankly it's not worth baring a grudge over something that old.

As for Citizenship in the UK, People should adopt the culture otherwise all they are doing is generating 'Colonies'. If I moved to France, Japan or India I'd expect to try and at least fit in. I wouldn't be forcing that Fish and Chips should be sold, or having a true Public house selling off the tap Ale in any of those countries. The problem in all cases of immigration though is of course integration where Ex-pat's are capable of entertaining themselves because the land they've moved to might have difficult entertaining the notion that they have emigrated there.

if you don't know, I guess they wasted all that education on a sleepyhead, all I can say is, more coffee, less tea

British history started over 2k ago, way before 1984;
Celts, Cartaginians, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, Normans, all shaken & stirred & then blended together to form your current homeland

of course, if its people don't know it, it could end tomorrow

Where do the Carthaginians fit in?

Where do the Carthaginians fit in?

Probably Age of Empires :)

Where do the Carthaginians fit in?
as instigators for iron-age england, via trade, tribute & example
Although the Carthaginians were secretive about their voyages just like the Phoenicians, we have the names of two of its great explorers, from the fifth century BC. A sailor called Himilco found the route to the Tin Islands (Cornwall), while Hanno, a Carthaginian king, set out to establish colonies on the Atlantic coast of Africa, and explored the coast possibly all the way to Cameroon. In the end, Carthago was destroyed in three wars (the so-called Punic Wars) with the Roman republic, to which it was the main contender for the control of the Mediterranean.

from: http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/discovery/phoenicia.html

Hanno, son of Hamilcar may be the famous Hanno the Navigator,[22] which places his expedition around 460–425 BC, and Himilco may be the same as Himilco the Navigator,[23] which puts his expedition sometimes after 450 BC. Hanno the Navigator sailed down the African coast as far as Cameroon, and Himilco the Navigator explored the European Atlantic coast up to England in search of tin

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Carthage

Probably Age of Empires :-)

thats an English game, right?

rule Brittania, kings & queens & all that?

not a gamer, just a reader

as instigators for iron-age england, via trade, tribute & example

That doesn't really amount to Carthaginian blood mixing with the rest though....as far as I can tell there was no kind of major immigration or settlement by the Carthaginians that would make that kind of contribution to the genetic makeup of a country.

That doesn't really amount to Carthaginian blood mixing with the rest though....as far as I can tell there was no kind of major immigration or settlement by the Carthaginians that would make that kind of contribution to the genetic makeup of a country.you're right, sailors & merchants are such models of virtue, that they would never, ever think of playing around with the locals, never



yes indeed, never

you're right, sailors & merchants are such models of virtue, that they would never, ever think of playing around with the locals, never



yes indeed, never

Of course they would, but enough to be a major part of the makeup of a nation? I doubt it. That's why I asked where they fit in....I have never, ever heard Carthaginian as a genetic contributor to the "British" race.

Of course they would, but enough to be a major part of the makeup of a nation? I doubt it. That's why I asked where they fit in....I have never, ever heard Carthaginian as a genetic contributor to the "British" race.

sorry, I meant space aliens, Egyptians, Muans & Atlantians, yeap thats what I meant