I have recently realized I'm fascinated with business and I'm dying to take all the courses in my business school!! :eek:

Unfortunately it would take me years to take all of them..... :(

This is so frustrating. Every term, I can only take 4 courses. Maybe 5, but I want to actually learn them. Every program has at least 20 courses to take. There are about 5 courses that repeat in every program, so I should reduce that number to 15. There are 4 major programs: accounting, finance, marketing and management. 15 X 4= 60 courses in total, that I need to take to complete all programs. If every year I take 8 courses, it would take me (60/8) 7 and a half years to complete all of them... Arrrgh...

I wish I could somehow learn all that stuff in 1/7th of the time required... :(

Any ideas?

http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/004105.html

Want another opinion? See Jim Roger's Investment Biker. In the beginning of that book he states that the best thing to do is to take the money that you would spend on an MBA and start a business. Even if you fail, you will learn more in the first 6 months than in your entire MBA program.

http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000WGz

Those are diploma programs by the way...
The equivalent MBAs would take 15 years to complete... :eek:

Still, that is a good idea, Absane. But they teach a lot fo tools here, and I know well those could be very useful. I wish I could just read through all the courses and pick some stuff that could be useful.....

There aren't that many new things or ideas in business. I bet a dozen books could cover 90% of it and the rest is just repetition.

But if you are still interested after a few years, why not just keep studying after your graduation? You study for yourself not for the school..

Hard to go to school, work, have a business and take care of a child...

Which books would you recommend? Any good sites in the internet?

I have recently realized I'm fascinated with business and I'm dying to take all the courses in my business school!! :eek:

Unfortunately it would take me years to take all of them..... :(

This is so frustrating. Every term, I can only take 4 courses. Maybe 5, but I want to actually learn them. Every program has at least 20 courses to take. There are about 5 courses that repeat in every program, so I should reduce that number to 15. There are 4 major programs: accounting, finance, marketing and management. 15 X 4= 60 courses in total, that I need to take to complete all programs. If every year I take 8 courses, it would take me (60/8) 7 and a half years to complete all of them... Arrrgh...

I wish I could somehow learn all that stuff in 1/7th of the time required... :(

Any ideas?


ummm...change of university...perhaps...

I have recently realized I'm fascinated with business and I'm dying to take all the courses in my business school!! :eek:

Unfortunately it would take me years to take all of them..... :(
Any ideas?
Yeah. Just go into business.

How much theory do you need before you decide that your facination with business is probably better suited to actually doing business than just endlessly learning how to get motivated to actually do business?

It's the difference between the education business making money off of you and you making money off of your own customers.

Funny that they -- the educational institutions -- don't teach you to cut that cord early. One must guess that your actionable business model isn't their's, and they're not about to tell you when you should act on your own before they get what they can out of you.

Whose the Ferengi now? ;)

Well, yeah... I guess...
It's just interesting the wealth of knowledge around here, that's all... ;)

As Paul Graham says, textbooks are DRY. Courses can be slow. You must read books written by those who are as interested in the subject as much as you are. A good way to do so is by going to Amazon.com, finding a couple interesting/popular money related books (ie Rich Dad, Poor Dad) and hopping the associated listmanias. I've spent countless hours doing this.

Well, yeah... I guess...
It's just interesting the wealth of knowledge around here, that's all... ;)Business ain't rocket science. Otherwise, everyone would be in the business of rocket science instead of pizzas, porn or cell phones. ;)

How many owners of the businesses you do business with have college degrees, even in just business?

Which books would you recommend? Any good sites in the internet?

Well, it is a trading related website, but they have business posts and discussions there: elitetrader.com

Books, I have read currently 2 about the golden age of American capitalism:

-- The tycoons by Morris (Carnegie, Mellon, Morgan, Rockefeller)
-- The prize by Yergin (the history of oilbusiness)

Also remember, Gates left school a few months before graduation, because he smelt a good business opportunity, and he was right...

Also remember, Gates left school a few months before graduation, because he smelt a good business opportunity, and he was right...
Well, that's the hardest thing to do...
I want to do it myself, but who knows if my idea is as great as that? :confused:

Well, that's the hardest thing to do...
I want to do it myself, but who knows if my idea is as great as that? :confused:
Your customers will tell you, if only you'd go get some. ;)

The IRS decides to give you tax breaks on your "business"-related expenses only if you assume the real-life risk of possibly losing your invested capital to the vagaries of the market place.

If you don't take the capital risk you aren't a bone fide business.

No risk, no reward.

Free Advice: Start your business while you're in the employ of someone else. The wages your employer pays you will support you while you grow your business until it can support you all by itself.

Even better then that! My dad still gives me a hand those days... :D

Even better then that! My dad still gives me a hand those days... :D
No way to earn his actual respect, is it?

Be more like your dad, and less like your dad's dependent. http://www.sciforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

He wishes you to be his equal for what you can do for your family after he's gone.

You drag him down to your level if he leaves the world with you not up to the challenge to carry on in his stead.

You fail, he fails.

Not to mention your son is likely to be a failure, too.

Something more to be proud of, eh?

Hey, the government is finally letting me work!
So finally I'm actually ALLOWED to have my own life! :mad:

Hey, the government is finally letting me work!
So finally I'm actually ALLOWED to have my own life! :mad:
What? The goverment is your mommie, or something?

Why would a functioning hunk of male pulchritude need more than one mother?

No, you see... the government didn't allow me to work before. If I would work, they would kick me out of the country.... :bugeye:

No, you see... the government didn't allow me to work before. If I would work, they would kick me out of the country.... :bugeye:
So, do you pay any taxes -- other than simple sales tax -- to actually contibute to the civilization in which you immerse yourself, at our apparent expense but not your own?

No. But I pay over $10,000 a year on school fees, while everyone around me pays $2,000. :bugeye:

Who cares anyway? Why should I pay my ass off just because I'm not from here? That's just stupid. I have a kid here, therefore, I should be treated like everyone else. To be treated any different is simply barbaric! :bugeye:

No. But I pay over $10,000 a year on school fees, while everyone around me pays $2,000. :bugeye:

Who cares anyway? Why should I pay my ass off just because I'm not from here? That's just stupid. I have a kid here, therefore, I should be treated like everyone else. To be treated any different is simply barbaric! :bugeye:
You want citizen-like treatment? Become a citizen.

BTW: Whining is not part of the path to citizenship. You already know that one way to gain citizenship is to be the by-product of someone being screwed.

You want citizen-like treatment? Become a citizen.
Well, duh! It takes 4 years! :bugeye:

How long does it take to get citizenship in your own country?

What's so wrong with your country that you have to whine about how long it takes to get into ours?

The fact that you exist isn't our automatic obligation to make up for your natural condition.

How long does it take to get citizenship in your own country?

What's so wrong with your country that you have to whine about how long it takes to get into ours?

The fact that you exist isn't our automatic obligation to make up for your natural condition.
Yes, but I have a child here. And he is a Canadian! I have to feed him, and I need money to do that. How can I feed my son, WHO IS A CANADIAN, I REPEAT, if I'm not allowed to work and my school is worth 5 times more then for everyone else?

Do you see the logic? Damn, do you know what logic IS? :bugeye:

You did know the conditions in-country before you volunteered for them, no?

You do know that the needs of your child outweigh your own, no?

You do know that this country is not your child's parent, no?

If you are to petition anyone, petition your own government for supplemental assistance.

I'm not seeing the logic of your expectation that the American taxpayer should make up for your Canadian family's financial shortcomings.

We're happy to host you and help educate you, but we have our own families to support -- at no expense to Canadians. ;)

You know, if you get a job here you prevent an American citizen or an illegal Mexican alien from filling that same position, don't you? :P

You did know the conditions in-country before you volunteered for them, no?
Of course I did.

You do know that the needs of your child outweigh your own, no?
Obviously.

You do know that this country is not your child's parent, no?
Of course. That's not the issue. You don't seem to understand the issue here. Let's take you for example. Do you have a child? What if your government would put in prison for no reason whatsoever? SHould the government be responsible for your child? Should YOU be responsible for your child? I hope you see how silly your point is.

If you are to petition anyone, petition your own government for supplemental assistance.
I don't need assistance. I just need the government not to prevent me from working. How am I supposed to raise a family if I'm not allowed to receive any income? (Of course, remember they ARE allowing me to work now.)

I'm not seeing the logic of your expectation that the American taxpayer should make up for your Canadian family's financial shortcomings.
What does this has to do with american taxpayers? I'm a brasilian in CANADA. Not america. And I don't need canadian taxpayers to make up for my financial shortcomings, I just need the government to allow me to function normally in society. Let's turn the table around again. What if your government, for no reason, would increase your tuition fees by 5 times and would not allow you to work? If you get any money at all from any kind of work, they will kick you out of your country and you will never see your wife or child ever again. This is what I've had to deal with. This is why I couldn't work illegally. If I had done that, I would not be able to see my family again. But now, I'm left with no money. So in short, I'm not the one responsible for my poverty- the government is. Let's turn the table again. What if the government would take all your money and put you in jail, even though you committed no crime? That's what I've had to protect myself from.

We're happy to host you and help educate you, but we have our own families to support -- at no expense to Canadians. ;)
Of course. And all that I've wanted is to be ALLOWED TO SUPPORT MY OWN FAMILY!

If you have the motivation anything is possible.

Oh, believe me, I KNOW that! :D

How many 22 year olds you know have done HALF of what I have done with my life!? :cool:

What have you done?

Immigrated, have a child, finishing college, blah blah blah

Seems simple... but try to take care of a child and a wife with complex health problems, immigrate and finish school all at the same, and you might get what I'm talking about...

Of course I did.
Bingo.
What if your government would put in prison for no reason whatsoever? SHould the government be responsible for your child? Should YOU be responsible for your child?
Yes. As much as possible. Then my family, and my wife and her family. Only if none of them exist would I expect my neighbors and the Government to accept the burden of responsibilty for my child(ren).
I hope you see how silly your point is.
I hope you see that your silly point was not my point at all.
I don't need assistance. I just need the government not to prevent me from working.
Why should you be able to take a job away from an American citizen, or an illegal alien ;) , who needs that work, too?
How am I supposed to raise a family if I'm not allowed to receive any income?
Where's your family? Where's the Canadian welfare check their sending south to support you?
(Of course, remember they ARE allowing me to work now.)
So, what was your point?

Oh, yeah. You ain't Superman, and we ain't your mommie. ;)
What does this has to do with american taxpayers? I'm a brasilian in CANADA.
Those Canadian bastids! Where's their compassion? Their sense of community? Their sense of shared responsibilty?

I knew that Canada couldn't be trusted...

Why should you be able to take a job away from an American citizen, or an illegal alien , who needs that work, too?
Is it really my problem that canadian citizens (or american, for that matter) are too incompetent to compete against me? :rolleyes:

Where's your family? Where's the Canadian welfare check their sending south to support you?
I live in Canada. How about paying attention to what I'm saying? ;)

So, what was your point?
They weren't. So I lost a lot of money.
And there's also the tuition, of course...

Those Canadian bastids! Where's their compassion? Their sense of community? Their sense of shared responsibilty?

I knew that Canada couldn't be trusted...
They are not bastards. They are not like americans with absolutely no sense of community and negative individualism, selfishness and self-indulgence... :rolleyes: