We pulled our son out of Scouts years ago for this reason. Do you think other cities will follow suit?

Boy Scouts' Rent Skyrockets in Philadelphia to $200K Over Gay Ban (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303420,00.html)

The Boy Scouts' anti-gay policy is turning out to be a pricey proposition for its Philadelphia chapter — one that will cost about $200,000 a year, to be exact.

The city has ordered the organization to pay a fair-market rent of $200,000 — $199,999 more than its current $1 annual rate — to maintain its longtime offices in a landmark Philadelphia building because of its refusal to allow openly gay Scouts and Scout leaders.

City Solicitor says Romulo L. Diaz Jr. contends that Mayor John Street, City Council and the Fairmount Park Commission (which oversees historic properties) have been asking the Scouts for the past year to submit a clear-cut anti-discrimination policy, and they haven't done so. In order to comply with Philadelphia laws, he said, he has given the Scouts a choice: agree definitively in writing to stop discriminating, or pay a new rent at market value.

"They had been put on notice over the last year by the mayor, the City Council and the Fairmount Park Commission that they had a choice to make," Diaz said in a phone interview. "They need to provide evidence that they would not engage in discriminatory practices against gays as either Scout masters or Boy Scouts. .... They have either not responded or essentially played the victim."

The Boy Scouts' Philadelphia branch, called the Cradle of Liberty Council, argues that its hands are tied because of the national chapter's refusal to reverse its anti-gay policy — even though, it says, it tried to fight it a few years ago...

Ahhhh ha!

Shorty, now we know where all the fund raising money goes to! Selling stupid apples and popcorn and paying a $1 a week.

Ahhhh ha!

Shorty, now we know where all the fund raising money goes to! Selling stupid apples and popcorn and paying a $1 a week.

to keep gays out?

or paying rent?

Well This is Scouts Canada so I don't know how it compares to Scouts of America :shrug:

You pulled him for what reason exactly? the rent part or the gay part?

What is the big deal? Do we go back to the gays just keeping it a secret? oh sure, as if there have not been thousands of gay scouts- just dont tell anyone and they are not there.:rolleyes:

In fairness i suppose the 'scouts' would not want homosexuality perceived as an option BUT i dont think this is up to the individual to make a decision. Of course the 'scouts' are left to worry about lawsuits coming from homosexuals who would be victimized in some way because being that they accepted this into the fold they would be resposible...lawyers will have a field day. Seems to me the issue is just who gets paid.

As an as aside, i was assistant troop leader...LOL

I've been involved in Scouting in Canada for decades....since i was old enough to walk and tagged along with my older brothers and scout master father to meetings. Went throught 'the ranks'. Was a leader and today still help out many years laters with our scout camps and woodcraft. Why would any lad or parent be excluded from participating because they are gay? Yikes. We have gay parents and our scout troop is sponsored by an Anglican Church diocese. What a bizarre concept when 'gayness' prohibits participation. Young people and leaders, gay or not, all benefit from Scouting by becoming more involved with the natural world, community service and other positive endeavors.

Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

aurgh. gay does not equal pedophile.
I want pedolphiles out of scouts, not gays.
Its bigotry and we don't support it.

I had a male PT teacher; he took us for camps and was in charge of us for all school trips. I went to a mixed sex school. We never had any problems.

we had a gay PE teacher that we took showers in front of. She like women, not children. was never an issue.

Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

Yeah but then maybe they would at least know who was what. In this case i do not think this is related to homosexuality but pedophelia, big difference as it should be common knowledge that heterosexuals are equally capable of sex crimes. Statistics show this to be the case.:shrug: And whoever wants to be a scout would lie about being homosexual just to get in especially since they would know that they are not there for sex. The real problem is the deception but how do you stop people from lying?

Questionnaire:

1. Are you heterosexual? (watch around girl scouts)
2. Are you homosexual? (watch around boy scouts)
3. Are you pedophile? (watch around everyone)

Orleader:

I see a pattern in why I (almost) always agree with you :D

Orleader:

I see a pattern in why I (almost) always agree with you :D

suuuuure you do.

Let's see ...gay boys are sexually attracted to boys, right?
Hetero boys are attracted to girls, right?
Hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because that sexual attraction might lead to sexual activity, right?
So, ...if hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because of possible hanky-panky, why should gay boys be permitted to join the Boy Scouts? Since gay boys are attracted to boys, shouldn't parents worry about possible hanky-panky? If not, why not?

Baron Max

....i do not think this is related to homosexuality but pedophelia, big difference as it should be common knowledge that heterosexuals are equally capable of sex crimes. ...

common knowledge and common sense.

I think this is why some chapters are fighting with headquarters. I know this one in particular has been.

Let's see ...gay boys are sexually attracted to boys, right?
Hetero boys are attracted to girls, right?
Hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because that sexual attraction might lead to sexual activity, right?
So, ...if hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because of possible hanky-panky, why should gay boys be permitted to join the Boy Scouts? Since gay boys are attracted to boys, shouldn't parents worry about possible hanky-panky? If not, why not?

Baron Max

I went to a mixed sex school.

I always found convent school girls/boys to be more focused on sex.

... Since gay boys are attracted to boys, shouldn't parents worry about possible hanky-panky? If not, why not?

Baron Max

so they are kicking out possibly gay children? I thought it was just a ban on gay leaders.

Before you jump down my throat again, I said nothing about Gays being Pedophiles!!

I gotta read it again I thought it said something about gay children too:shrug:

"either Scout masters or Boy Scouts". ( doesn't that mean the leaders and the kids? )

Let's see ...gay boys are sexually attracted to boys, right?
Hetero boys are attracted to girls, right?
Hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because that sexual attraction might lead to sexual activity, right?
So, ...if hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because of possible hanky-panky, why should gay boys be permitted to join the Boy Scouts? Since gay boys are attracted to boys, shouldn't parents worry about possible hanky-panky? If not, why not?

Baron Max

i think hank panky is legal and i am attracted to about 100 women a day and dont have hanky panky with them. i would worry more about harassment due to knowing who is homosexual and they would be targeted....$$$$ woohoooo - can anyone say 'NEW BMW'?

This all goes back to nudity thread, i dont think boy scouts should be in situations where they are not fully clothed under any circumstances. Now we are left with the question of how do you control the thoughts inside a persons head?

Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

OK, why would a parent be worried that their son had a gay leader?

..., i dont think boy scouts should be in situations where they are not fully clothed under any circumstances.

How do the Boy Scouts bathe or change clothes without getting naked? And I think they have camping trips where they sleep in tents together.

Baron Max

OK, why would a parent be worried that their son had a gay leader?

We'll let you think on that a little bit, okay? ...then let us know what you come up with.

Baron Max

How do the Boy Scouts bathe or change clothes without getting naked? And I think they have camping trips where they sleep in tents together.

Baron Max

I honestly do not remember ever being naked and i was a boy scout for a few years. But forced sexual acts are a whole nother issue and this happens when no one involved is technically homosexual. I see what you mean but dont think it is anything to worry about. Victimization and bullying are the real issues.

We'll let you think on that a little bit, okay? ...then let us know what you come up with.

Baron Max

I know what I came up with.
I only asked because apparently I misunderstood what shorty said. I thought she was saying they were pedophiles, which she didn't. So, now I'm asking exactly why.

Let's see ...gay boys are sexually attracted to boys, right?
Hetero boys are attracted to girls, right?
Hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because that sexual attraction might lead to sexual activity, right?
So, ...if hetero boys can't belong to the Girl Scouts because of possible hanky-panky, why should gay boys be permitted to join the Boy Scouts? Since gay boys are attracted to boys, shouldn't parents worry about possible hanky-panky? If not, why not?

Baron Max

Is that why they don't have Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts together? I have no idea.......I am guessing that is the reason.

This does bring up valid points!

Because of the overnight trips and things......changing, dressing undressing, sleeping in tents together. Can you understand why maybe a parent with a son might be a bit concerned that one of the gay boys might be attracted to their son ? and not be comfortable with that.

I know what I came up with.
I only asked because apparently I misunderstood what shorty said. I thought she was saying they were pedophiles, which she didn't. So, now I'm asking exactly why.

Dont worry, I will go camping with ya:)

....Can you understand why maybe a parent with a son might be a bit concerned that one of the gay boys might find their son attractive? and not be comfortable with that.

I wouldn't be. I would care if that boy attacked my boy, but I don't care if he found him attractive.

I like the idea of Scouts, the activities are interesting, but their social codes are oppressive and they are intolerant of atheists (gays too apparently), so I never joined.

Is that why they don't have Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts together? I have no idea.......I am guessing that is the reason.

Well, it's the very same reasoning that we don't have men and women in the same barracks in the military. It's the same reasoning that we have separate toilets and showers in schools. Girls and boys are attracted to each other sexually ...hanky-panky might occur, huh?

Now .....gay boys are attracted to boys, so ....wouldn't the same reasoning apply? And if not, why not?

Baron Max

We'll let you think on that a little bit, okay? ...then let us know what you come up with.

Baron Max
not sure what orleander came up with...

But I came up with this.
Could it be because he is attracted to young men? And there are only young men in Scouts? And that on occassional they will be changing in front of eachother, or perhaps bunking together? That he might be attracted to one of the boys in his group? :shrug::rolleyes:

Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

sorry if I came across as jumping down your throat by assuming.
Why would some parents be worried their son had a gay scout leader?

I just want to know where the goddam money goes!

I wouldn't be. I would care if that boy attacked my boy, but I don't care if he found him attractive.

Would you let your daughter go on camping trips with a bunch of boys?

Baron Max

Why would some parents be worried their son had a gay scout leader?

For the same reasoning that they would let their daughters go on camping trips with a male leader or a bunch of boy scouts.

Think about it, Orleander, you're coming across as so naive that it's making me wonder about your sanity.

Baron Max

LMAO...

http://static.grupthink.com/answer/e/e589f97c0f4892b3b59341e2db9016d4

Would you let your daughter go on camping trips with a bunch of boys?

Baron Max

My daughter went to Fish Camp and another week long overnight camp this summer. They were both co-ed. Lots of crushes going on everywhere. Cabins were seperated by gender. Sex wasn't allowed no matter who it was between.

LMAO...

http://static.grupthink.com/answer/e/e589f97c0f4892b3b59341e2db9016d4

LMAO GOOD ONE!!!!

Think about it, Orleander, you're coming across as so naive that it's making me wonder about your sanity.

Baron Max

That is a good point. My contention is you dont know how a person really is anyway.

...Think about it, Orleander, you're coming across as so naive that it's making me wonder about your sanity.

Baron Max

AGAIN! I know what I thought. I was told "I never said that!" So I want clarification.

My daughter went to Fish Camp and another week long overnight camp this summer. They were both co-ed. Lots of crushes going on everywhere. Cabins were seperated by gender. Sex wasn't allowed no matter who it was between.

But why we the boys and girls separated? Oh, wait, I know ....because boys are attracted to girls and vice versa, and they were worried about hanky-panky!!!

So ........that same reasoning is why we shouldn't allow gay boys to be in the same boy scout troops as hetero boys ....the attraction might lead to hanky-panky, right?!

Gay boys should have their own Gay Scouts troops ...the could wear cute little pink outfits with frilly white lace!

Baron Max

But why we the boys and girls separated? Oh, wait, I know ....because boys are attracted to girls and vice versa, and they were worried about hanky-panky!!!

So ........that same reasoning is why we shouldn't allow gay boys to be in the same boy scout troops as hetero boys ....the attraction might lead to hanky-panky, right?!

Gay boys should have their own Gay Scouts troops ...the could wear cute little pink outfits with frilly white lace!

Baron Max

don't forget the pink triangle on their lapels.
I swear, the kids you know are having more sex than the adults I know.

For the same reasoning that they would let their daughters go on camping trips with a male leader or a bunch of boy scouts.

Think about it, Orleander, you're coming across as so naive that it's making me wonder about your sanity.

Baron Max

Yes,
Put it this way last yr we had a tent in our backyard. My 2 sons and my neighbours son slept out in in a few nights.

There is a girl ( his friend as well )on our street who kept BUGGING BUGGING for my son to ask if she could come and sleep out there too. (with 3 boys)(ages 6,11,14)
I said to my son....jeez why does she keep bugging (she is 11) He was like I don't know she won't give it a rest!

I said you know what I am not comfortable with it, I am sure she didn't ask her mom either. ( I thought no way would her mom be cool with it)
He comes back oh no her mom said it was ok......I was like what? ok whatever I am not! I asked my neighbour she was like......are you kidding I don't want him out there sleeping with her too. I said I know I can't beleive her mom is cool with it.

Then I hear the girl says to my son and the neighbours son ohhhhhhh I could sleep right in the middle of you guys!! :eek:

Lets just say it didn't happen!

I swear, the kids you know are having more sex than the adults I know.

And I swear that you know less about sex than anyone I've ever talked to about anything!

Baron Max

I just want to know where the goddam money goes!

I thought it went to pay for the popcorn and the local troop. I don't know how much goes to headquarters. I figured HQ never needed that much cuz rent was $1 and the people who run the troops work for free.

lol then give them the navy application when they turn 18

Yes,
Put it this way last yr we had a tent in our backyard. My 2 sons and my neighbours son slept out in in a few nights.

There is a girl ( his friend as well )on our street who kept BUGGING BUGGING for my son to ask if she could come and sleep out there too. (with 3 boys)(ages 6,11,14)
I said to my son....jeez why does she keep bugging (she is 11) He was like I don't know she won't give it a rest!

I said you know what I am not comfortable with it, I am sure she didn't ask her mom either. ( I thought no way would her mom be cool with it)
He comes back oh no her mom said it was ok......I was like what? ok whatever I am not! I asked my neighbour she was like......are you kidding I don't want him out there sleeping with her too. I said I know I can't beleive her mom is cool with it.

Then I hear the girl says to my son and the neighbours son ohhhhhhh I could sleep right in the middle of you guys!! :eek:

Lets just say it didn't happen!

Oh, Shorty, just do like Orleander is doing .......just pretend that there's no such thing as sex between boys and girls. If you do that, then you won't have a concern in the world. :D

Baron Max

Think of all the new badges...needlepoint...

Oh, Shorty, just do like Orleander is doing .......just pretend that there's no such thing as sex between boys and girls. If you do that, then you won't have a concern in the world. :D

Baron Max

But BARON I was also a young girl with a tent in my backyard :eek::rolleyes: LOLOL

Oh, Shorty, just do like Orleander is doing .......just pretend that there's no such thing as sex between boys and girls. If you do that, then you won't have a concern in the world. :D

Baron Max

I am wondering since they think that kids are so innocent, that maybe they didn't have any hanky panky or sex till they were adults?:shrug:

Baron has a valid point.......they wouldn't let boys and girls sleep together.......so why let gay boys sleep together with other boys....... ?

Since it is bigoty, I hope this means they don't get government assitance. I think here they got to camp in natl/State parks for free. I wonder if they lost that.
Anyone know?

Think of all the new badges...needlepoint...

How about you answer the ? at hand.

How would you feel about "C" going on overnight trips and camps if you knew his leader was Gay and other boys in his group were gay?

Since it is bigoty, ....

It's not bigotry at all. Would you or any parent allow a man to be the leader of your daughter's girl scout troop? Oh, wait, you're Orleander .....you'd have no problem with it, would you?! ....LOL!

Baron Max

It's not bigotry at all. Would you or any parent allow a man to be the leader of your daughter's girl scout troop? Oh, wait, you're Orleander .....you'd have no problem with it, would you?! ....LOL!

Baron Max

Probably not, because if her daughter was changing or something, and he got a glimpse he would just think of it at "ART"

I said you know what I am not comfortable with it, I am sure she didn't ask her mom either. ( I thought no way would her mom be cool with it)
He comes back oh no her mom said it was ok......I was like what? ok whatever I am not! I asked my neighbour she was like......are you kidding I don't want him out there sleeping with her too. I said I know I can't beleive her mom is cool with it.


Excellent. Good work Shorty, i was around that age when i first played 'doctor' (bleieve me it was not my idea).:( Women have been getting me in trouble ever since...ahhh ha ha ha.

It's not bigotry at all. Would you or any parent allow a man to be the leader of your daughter's girl scout troop? Oh, wait, you're Orleander .....you'd have no problem with it, would you?! ....LOL!

Baron Max

LMAO. Funny you should ask. YES, I have no problem with it! Last year one of the girl's mom died in a car wreck. Guess who now is co-pack leader of the Brownie Troop? Her dad.

LMAO. Funny you should ask. YES, I have no problem with it! Last year one of the girl's mom died in a car wreck. Guess who now is co-pack leader of the Brownie Troop? Her dad.

I am FAR FROM SURPRISED at your answer LMAO

ok now for my tent scenero with my son's and his friend.

Would you have given your daughter permission to sleep over with them?

I am FAR FROM SURPRISED at your answer LMAO

She seems to have had a decent upbringing.:shrug:

Some of the opinions are right out of Saudi Arabia and even they have different rules for family members

She seems to have had a decent upbringing.

So are you saying that you'd let your daughter sleep overnight with several boys? And you'd call that a "decent upbringing"?

Baron Max

It's not bigotry at all. Would you or any parent allow a man to be the leader of your daughter's girl scout troop? Oh, wait, you're Orleander .....you'd have no problem with it, would you?! ....LOL!

Baron Max

So are you saying that you'd let your daughter sleep overnight with several boys? And you'd call that a "decent upbringing"?

Baron Max

what does any of this have to do with the Boy Scouts (which doesn't allow girls) having their rent go up?

what does any of this have to do with the Boy Scouts (which doesn't allow girls) having their rent go up?

Gay male leaders are not permitted in the Boy Scouts for the same reason women aren't leaders in the Boy Scouts. The thread then took a little twist of sorts, that's all.

Baron Max

Gay male leaders are not permitted in the Boy Scouts for the same reason women aren't leaders in the Boy Scouts. The thread then took a little twist of sorts, that's all.

Baron Max

??? yes they are. They're called Den Mothers. Both my Mom and my mother-in-law were one.

it went off a bit because........

We were comparing how they don't just throw them all together. So why should gay boys who are attracted to boys be together. If they separate boys and girls.

Why not just have ONE organization then SCOUTS AND BROWNIES OF AMERICA

??? yes they are. They're called Den Mothers. Both my Mom and my mother-in-law were one.

Ahh, but that's different, isn't it. Think about where the Den Mothers interact with the boy scouts.

Baron Max

still don't know what that has to do with the rent going up. (But don't let that stop you and Baron from hijacking the thread.)

I know one pack who does a 10 Commandment walk. Does that mean Muslims, Buddhists, etc aren't allowed in Scouts?

Ahh, but that's different, isn't it. Think about where the Den Mothers interact with the boy scouts.

Baron Max

In their pants right?? :D Did I get it right?? Don't want to be naive.

still don't know what that has to do with the rent going up.

The rent is going up because the Boy Scouts won't allow gay scout leaders. And the city owns the buildings, so they're trying to force the Boy Scouts to accept gay leaders. the scouts won't, so the city is punishing them.

Baron Max

Why not just have ONE organization then SCOUTS AND BROWNIES OF AMERICA

I agree, why not? Its more fun in a mixed group.

In their pants right?? :D Did I get it right?? Don't want to be naive.

You're a male, aren't you? ...pretending to be a female? ...just trying to jerk my chain?

Baron Max

You're a male, aren't you? ...pretending to be a female? ...just trying to jerk my chain?

Baron Max

I'm not jerking a damn thing on you.

The rent is going up because the Boy Scouts won't allow gay scout leaders. And the city owns the buildings, so they're trying to force the Boy Scouts to accept gay leaders. the scouts won't, so the city is punishing them.

Baron Max

But if they didn't allow black leaders, they would do the same thing right? Would that be viewed as punishment or justice?

But if they didn't allow black leaders, they would do the same thing right?

Not the same thing.

Baron Max

Not the same thing.

Baron Max

why?

why?

Because it's not the same thing.

Baron Max

But if they didn't allow black leaders, they would do the same thing right? Would that be viewed as punishment or justice?

As long as they are not gay, it would be ok. Black people are capable of scout leadership...i think.

Because it's not the same thing.

Baron Max

why?

Not the same thing.

Baron Max

Wicked stufff LMAO

Not the same thing.

Baron Max

Not even close:rolleyes:

Not even close:rolleyes:

and why would that be? :confused:

The rent is going up because the Boy Scouts won't allow gay scout leaders. And the city owns the buildings, so they're trying to force the Boy Scouts to accept gay leaders. the scouts won't, so the city is punishing them.

Baron Max

yeah but it is either pay now, pay later (law suits- they can smell the money?) or both.

Either way it looks like the end of the boy scouts. - they are about to be liquidated.

The rent is going up because the Boy Scouts won't allow gay scout leaders. And the city owns the buildings, so they're trying to force the Boy Scouts to accept gay leaders. the scouts won't, so the city is punishing them.

Baron Max

This is how I read the article as well.

Now let me say this. My son just joined Scouts. I don't know how it works in Canada but they just meet over here at the local school. I have no idea where the head office is anything or how they run it.

So far within a month they have thrown 2 fundraisers at me, which I am not all that thrilled about. I am not one for soliciting my neighbours and friends, so I hope this doesn't become a habit.... anyway

There is actually an overnight trip coming up. To be honest I would not feel comfortable if I knew his Leader was gay. I also wouldn't feel comfortable if I knew that other boys were gay as well. I don't care what ppl choose to do in the bedroom, that's their business. I don't have to agree with that lifestyle though. Why sign up my kid for something that I am paying good money for to feel unconfortable about the whole thing. Obviously other parents are uncomfortable with the whole thing, and if they PUSH IT ON PARENTS THAT THEY MUST ACCEPT IT, regardless of their own personal feelings, it may be the END of Scouts.

Not even close:rolleyes:

LMAO, you don't know do you!? :D

LMAO, you don't know do you!? :D

jeez didn't you see i was busy typing ......:bugeye:

jeez didn't you see i was busy typing ......:bugeye:

oh, sorry then. I'll wait.

There is actually an overnight trip coming up. To be honest I would not feel comfortable if I knew his Leader was gay. I also wouldn't feel comfortable if I knew that other boys were gay as well.

Well that is just it you don't know and to think this has not been the case since it was founded would be wishful thinking. The solution is really simple, dont get undresses or shower in fornt of other people undar any circumstances. Even though some feel that nudity is a non-issue it obviously is now that circumstances are involved........

Well that is just it you don't know and to think this has not been the case since it was founded would be wishful thinking. The solution is really simple, dont get undresses or shower in fornt of other people undar any circumstances. Even though some feel that nudity is a non-issue it obviously is now that circumstances are involved........

what about swimming trunks and speedos?

Scouts - don't ask, don't tell.

what about swimming trunks and speedos?

What about public swimming pools? are you going to ask everyone what their sexual preferance is? Forget speedos because they are only necessary for swimming competitions.

I find it hard to believe that you have a problem being next to or a child (scout) being around a gay person yet find nudity ok.:shrug:

What about public swimming pools? are you going to ask everyone what their sexual preferance is? Forget speedos because they are only necessary for swimming competitions.

I find it hard to believe that you have a problem being next to or a child (scout) being around a gay person yet find nudity ok.:shrug:

??? what are you talking about? You have me confused with shorty.

Well that is just it you don't know and to think this has not been the case since it was founded would be wishful thinking. The solution is really simple, dont get undresses or shower in fornt of other people undar any circumstances. Even though some feel that nudity is a non-issue it obviously is now that circumstances are involved........

True you really don't know 100% His leader is married and she helps out.
But who the heck knows. Beleive me I wondered about even putting him in Scouts, I have read of the cases of sexual abuse by Leaders. I am not naive to the fact there are perverts out there that love to work in jobs around children. All I can say is I have taught my kids about strangers, and nobody touches you and all that stuff. But lets say..... they told me when I was going to sign him up. Okay just to let you know his leader is Gay and half his troop would be gay is that ok? I would not have signed him up. I would not be comfortable with that.

Too fucking bad, if you are going to be openly gay(certainly a right), then join scouts as a leader or a member, other people have the right to go "fuck this" and pull their kid. Scouts in the U.S must have went "fuck this", no gay scout leaders.

I wonder how they got away with it, in these PC times, more than argueing if it is ok to have your kid around a gay guy(personal decision TFB if you don't like Shorty's take on it).

True you really don't know 100% His leader is married and she helps out.
But who the heck knows. Beleive me I wondered about even putting him in Scouts, I have read of the cases of sexual abuse by Leaders. I am not naive to the fact there are perverts out there that love to work in jobs around children. All I can say is I have taught my kids about strangers, and nobody touches you and all that stuff. But lets say..... they told me when I was going to sign him up. Okay just to let you know his leader is Gay and half his troop would be gay is that ok? I would not have signed him up. I would not be comfortable with that.

still typing?

Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

Too fucking bad, if you are going to be openly gay(certainly a right), then join scouts as a leader or a member, other people have the right to go "fuck this" and pull their kid. Scouts in the U.S must have went "fuck this", no gay scout leaders.

I wonder how they got away with it, in these PC times, more than argueing if it is ok to have your kid around a gay guy(personal decision TFB if you don't like Shorty's take on it).

Because it is a religious club. They were getting some funding, but that has stopped now. I don't think HQ cares, but I know its hurting on a local level. We used to donate through United Way. They aren't even on the list anymore. Less donations means more door to door selling for the kids (who are we kidding, the parents)

Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

But to be fair, he is super attractive. All the gay guys think so.

Because it is a religious club. They were getting some funding, but that has stopped now. I don't think HQ cares, but I know its hurting on a local level. We used to donate through United Way. They aren't even on the list anymore. Less donations means more door to door selling for the kids (who are we kidding, the parents)Ok then too fucking bad, no gays...sorry join the gay club.

??? what are you talking about? You have me confused with shorty.

Sorry Orleander, i missed those posts:p

True you really don't know 100% His leader is married and she helps out.
But who the heck knows. Beleive me I wondered about even putting him in Scouts, I have read of the cases of sexual abuse by Leaders. I am not naive to the fact there are perverts out there that love to work in jobs around children. All I can say is I have taught my kids about strangers, and nobody touches you and all that stuff. But lets say..... they told me when I was going to sign him up. Okay just to let you know his leader is Gay and half his troop would be gay is that ok? I would not have signed him up. I would not be comfortable with that.

It is a bad situation. I wpuld worry more about the gay scout being picked on for being a way hey has no control over. If you teach your son to be confident and not go with the crowd but be the person he knows that he is it will not be much of a problem but that decision is up to you as far as letting him join. Personally i have never seen or am aware of an individual being persuaded towards sexual preferance and kids have plenty of time to experiment with either sex anyway. Of course i am not a parent and it is a personal decision.

But to be fair, he is super attractive. All the gay guys think so.

Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee?:p

Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

Ahhh there you are, so what if they are homophobic, wtf are you gonna do about it? Everyone has a right to think whatever they fucking feel like and there is dick all you can do about.

Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

Not agreeing with that lifestyle isn't be homophobic. I haven't taught them anything about it yet. Do you suggest though that when I do I tell them I lie and tell them that I do agree with that lifestyle?

There's a lot of heavy advertising here for The Boys and Girls Club of America now.
I wonder why the Girl Scouts didn't take the same stand and say 'no atheists or gays' as well?

Ahhh there you are, so what if they are homophobic, wtf are you gonna do about it? Everyone has a right to think whatever they fucking feel like and there is dick all you can do about.

Yeah, and that includes me :)

still typing?

Actually I am dying my hair too...LMAO be patient.

Yeah, and that includes me :)

So how many fucking pages are you going to go in circles today?

Actually I am dying my hair too...LMAO be patient.

I see lots and lots of typing but not answering the question. If you PM baron I bet he'll tell you the answer.

Not agreeing with that lifestyle isn't be homophobic. I haven't taught them anything about it yet. Do you suggest though that when I do I tell them I lie and tell them that I do agree with that lifestyle?

does it depend on if they are gay or not themselves? :confused:

Not agreeing with that lifestyle isn't be homophobic. I haven't taught them anything about it yet. Do you suggest though that when I do I tell them I lie and tell them that I do agree with that lifestyle?

Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several). At the same time you must tell them that nudity is bad, it leads to evil feelings about your family, gay sex is gross and having an educated or liberal point of view is for sissies.

Then sit back and watch the show.

I see lots and lots of typing but not answering the question. If you PM baron I bet he'll tell you the answer.

Really is he online now? No Baron and I only send eachother love notes in PM.

And really the other questions that have come up are more interesting then yours.

Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several). At the same time you must tell them that nudity is bad, it leads to evil feelings about your family, gay sex is gross and having an educated or liberal point of view is for sissies.

Then sit back and watch the show.

I think we'll just stop at mouthy indians

does it depend on if they are gay or not themselves? :confused:

Listen if they grow up and they tell me they are gay.....Oh well will I be happy NO!! will I be upset YES........Will I not love them anymore.. disown them? NO! they are my kids.

Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several). At the same time you must tell them that nudity is bad, it leads to evil feelings about your family, gay sex is gross and having an educated or liberal point of view is for sissies.

Then sit back and watch the show.

HAHA there are enough kids at school that are already teaching them all that stuff!

HAHA there are enough kids at school that are already teaching them all that stuff!

Of course! You live in such enlightened times and places. I bet you endorse these views too.

Of course! You live in such enlightened times and places.

And you live...alone?

Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several).

oh, you should know that this is not something that needs to be taught. To sit here and imply that you are life style neautral is a stretch. But you pick and choose and tell other they are wrong. Afterall you are a Muslim first.;)

And you live...alone?

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

oh, you should know that this is not something that needs to be taught. To sit here and imply that you are life style neautral is a stretch. But you pick and choose and tell other they are wrong. Afterall you are a Muslim first.;)

Oh its not taught, is it? Its a natural consequence of being...Hispanic?:rolleyes:

Of course! You live in such enlightened times and places.

Well should I keep them home from school? Should I try and call all the parents of these kids and try to enlighten them? Yes SAM they live in the REAL WORLD. They hear things and see things everyday that I may or may not agree with. They watch TV and movies.....they don't need me whispering all these nasty things in their ear (as you seem to think I do)
They are learning from everything around them.

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

OH man SAM you really are pathetic....... You use the same line everyday now!! Aren't you bored of typing it.:zzz:

Again you have to make personal insults to what distract the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. it really is a joke that you are a mod!

Well should I keep them home from school? Should I try and call all the parents of these kids and try to enlighten them? Yes SAM they live in the REAL WORLD. They hear things and see things everyday that I may or may not agree with. They watch TV and movies.....they don't need me whispering all these nasty things in their ear (as you seem to think I do)
They are learning from everything around them.

So you're effectively redundant in your role, then?

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

I wouldn't fuck you with an indian dick, even with a 3alarm boner.

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women?

ooooh man:shrug:...

Oh its not taught, is it? Its a natural consequence of being...Hispanic?:rolleyes:

No it is not taught, humans have a natural inclination towards identifying with similarities, if anything being tolerant is taught.

Well that is the best answer i can give considering i have little idea what you are talking about.

But it is obvious where your loyalties lie so we can extrapolate that as bias against non-Muslims. If it is ok for a few guess it is ok for everyone.

OH man SAM you really are pathetic....... You use the same line everyday now!! Aren't you bored of typing it.:zzz:

Again you have to make personal insults to what distract the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. it really is a joke that you are a mod!

Aww, you fell asleep again!:D

ooooh man:shrug:...



No it is not taught, humans have a natural inclination towards identifying with similarities, if anything being tolerant is taught.

Well that is the best answer i can give considering i have little idea what you are talking about.

But it is obvious where your loyalties lie so we can extrapolate that as bias against non-Muslims. If it is ok for a few guess it is ok for everyone.

I'm guessing that actually makes sense to you? :p

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

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Infract this just for the fact that it is the same insult used everyday sometimes twice a for weeks! and it is boring the shit out of everyone!

Off topic.....Personal insulting....... Good Mod work there!

I'm guessing that actually makes sense to you? :p

I just dont see much difference, but it looks like you do. This is not to say you are wrong, just human nature. What can we do?

shorty

Why is it an insult? He asked me if I lived alone, remember?

A man asks me if I live alone, I assume there's a reason he's asking.

ya because no "body" can stand you

shorty

Why is it an insult?

Well we can infer animosity. Posiibly from someone^^ implying (maybe pointing out) that you hjave not had a boyfriend for nine years:D. Na, who knows?...JK.

Thats okay, I don't care about nobodies. :D

Well we can infer animosity. Posiibly from someone^^ implying (maybe pointing out) that you hjave not had a boyfriend for nine years:D. Na, who knows?

Nine years? omigawd!

cucumber's count? then Sam's Ok

ya because no "body" can stand you

Apparently, no "body" can stand you too. At least, not awake.:D

boyfriend for nine years:D. Na, who knows?...JK.

What only 9yrs her brother doesn't count:eek:

Nine years? omigawd!

yeah, didn't you know??? ha ha ha. :D

cucumber's count? then Sam's Ok

I didn't realise you swung both ways.

What only 9 her brother doesn't count:eek:

Interesting. Tell me more.:)

I didn't realise you swung both ways.

What can I say, I'm ambidexterous and double jointed and you are cavernous...ly boring.

What can I say, I'm ambidexterous and double jointed and you are cavernous...ly boring.

No wonder she falls asleep.

What only 9 her brother doesn't count:eek:

Nah. Most people are not made like SAM...she is special, in a good way:o

No wonder she falls asleep.

You are SO fixated...why?

You are SO fixated...why?

I'm not the one who derailed the thread. :)

Last I remember we were talking boy scouts.

Might be a good idea to keep your personal life personal IMO.

I'm not the one who derailed the thread. :)

You sure are riding the train and blowing the same fuckin whistle over an over, like you always do.

You sure are riding the train and blowing the same fuckin whistle over an over, like you always do.

I'm the one who introduced pedophilia, homophobia and sexual history in a gay rights in Boy scouts thread ?

Well that's the original topic pretty much...so no I guess not.

I'm not the one who derailed the thread. :)

Last I remember we were talking boy scouts.

Might be a good idea to keep your personal life personal IMO.

So you get a hold of personal tidbit. from WEEKS AGO.......turn it around.....
Then use it numerous times a day for weeks since then as an insult? LOL

I think you are obsessed with it, it is ok you can let it go.:crazy:

I'm the one who introduced pedophilia, homophobia and sexual history in a gay rights in Boy scouts thread ?

Who brought up sexual history?

You starting at line 115

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

What the hell does that have to do with the boy scouts?

Well that's the original topic pretty much...so no I guess not.

pedophilia, homophobia and sexual history?

Are you kidding me?:confused:

nope

pedophilia, homophobia and sexual history?

Are you kidding me?:confused:

I was talking about gays in scouts.........

Then you accussed me of being Homophopic and earlier on Orleander mentioned pedophiles which i never said........and then she apoligized.......

SO who brought up pedophiles and Homophobia

not us...YOU did

SAM:
Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

Who brought up sexual history?

You starting at line 115

Why? Are you tired of unconscious women? Come to me, honey. *wink wink* I promise not to fall asleep.

Pedophilia:
Well I guess when they have overnight trips and camps, some parents might be worried
if their son has a gay Leader.

Homophobia:
Because of the overnight trips and things......changing, dressing undressing, sleeping in tents together. Can you understand why maybe a parent with a son might be a bit concerned that one of the gay boys might be attracted to their son ? and not be comfortable with that..

Personal comments:.
Probably not, because if her daughter was changing or something, and he got a glimpse he would just think of it at "ART".

Now lets see how it went

I made a general comment on yours and Barons homophobic posts, not addressed to anyone.


Nothing like bringing up your kids to be homophobic

nietzsche's response:
Ahhh there you are, so what if they are homophobic, wtf are you gonna do about it? Everyone has a right to think whatever they fucking feel like and there is dick all you can do about.

your response:
Not agreeing with that lifestyle isn't be homophobic. I haven't taught them anything about it yet. Do you suggest though that when I do I tell them I lie and tell them that I do agree with that lifestyle?

my response to nietzsche
Yeah, and that includes me :)

nietzsche's response, which I ignored
So how many fucking pages are you going to go in circles today?

my response to you:
Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several). At the same time you must tell them that nudity is bad, it leads to evil feelings about your family, gay sex is gross and having an educated or liberal point of view is for sissies.

Then sit back and watch the show.

nietzsche's response, also which I ignored
I think we'll just stop at mouthy indians

your response:
HAHA there are enough kids at school that are already teaching them all that stuff!

my response to you
Of course! You live in such enlightened times and places. I bet you endorse these views too.

nietzsche's repsonse:
And you live...alone?

After which I responded to his asinine comments. So who's obsessed?

Poor Sam, it's a tough life to keep meticulous track of not only her own bullshit, but everybody else's.

Does this, always get the last word, bullshit ever get tiring for you?

I have total recall for conversations, when I'm paying attention. Never forget a word. I don't need to keep track. :)

And no, it never does.

You know, you are every man's nightmare don't you?

I'm very particular. :)

Great........So you still brought up Homophobia and Pedophilia. Because I never mentioned those words in my comments.

Then you didn't like what I said so you accused me of both!

Then you really threw it off topic, by insulting me and trying to flirt with neitzche..

She's particular, all is forgiven.

the mind boggles at attempting an explanation.

If anyone wants to talk about the OP, I'll respond.

I'm not interested in pandering to your egocentrism.

mmmm....yessss Quite.

the mind boggles at attempting an explanation.




Please don't even attempt one, because it would just be bullshit anyway.

I tried keeping this on track, look it over again.

But as soon as I said I would personally be uncomfortable with it.......I turned into a crazy homophobic, that was teaching my kids to be homophobics and then accussed of teaching them to hate blacks and whoever else,
by you SAM.............

Plus did you ever stop to think.....If I was that SCARED and HOMOPHOBIC and RACIST...as you say I am.
Why do I let him go there?

SO HOW IS ONE TO KEEP ON TRACK? WITH YOU AROUND?

I thought it went to pay for the popcorn and the local troop. I don't know how much goes to headquarters. I figured HQ never needed that much cuz rent was $1 and the people who run the troops work for free.

K i will tell you what I pay here, and what they told me.

$180.00 to sign him up. They said only $11.00 goes to "Their" actual troop.
The rest goes to SCOUTS CANADA.

Plus each week when he goes he puts $1.00 in the bucket for crafts and stuff.

I bought his gear for maybe $35.00

Now this fundraising thing of Popcorn. They said that 60% of the money raised with go to "THEIR TROOP" the rest SCOUTS CANADA.

The apple fundraising they just did. They said 100% of the money raised goes to "THEIR" troop.

Nah, I think you should teach them to hate gays, blacks, immigrants, people who make you feel insecure and other groups/peoples that you are bigoted against (I have a feeling there are several).


Btw: Before you keep spewing your bullshit to me, 3/4 of my son's friends are either Indian or Black. Guess what they are even allowed in my house to play x box and watch movies and stuff..:eek:

Plus can you point out to me where exactly I said I HATE GAYS?

Closed by request.
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