I just read an article decrying the use of bottled water. They said it was bad for the environment. While I am all for being a good steward of the environment, I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up bottled water. Most tap water tastes terrible. Even filtered tap.

So what then? What should we do? I love bottled water. And here in CA the big thing is putting slices of fruit in pitchers of it. Very refreshing. IL has some of the best bottled water I've ever had. And DC has the absolute worst tap water in the universe. :(

I know the plastic starts to break down in the bottled water after a few hours of being open. Have you ever smelled a bottle of opened water a day or two later. Ugh...And I'm aware of some bottled water being no better than tap.

So is there a solution? Are there REALLY good filters for making your own tap water bottles/containers? I read the only thing you should use your tap water for is washing floors. :D

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=3289922&ch=61492&src=news

http://health.yahoo.com/experts/drmao/208/water-purity-for-your-security

I find bottled water bland and tasteless; I've always used tap water, sometimes filtered, sometimes as is.

Besides bottled is not necessarily safer

http://www.water-drinking.com/index.shtml

Our tap water is perfectly clean with no additives, so it is fit for drinking. and its practically free.

Tap water is good there? You've tested it?
I ran a test of tap water in each place I have a home. It all failed miserably.

I also tested bottled water. The "best" was the bottled gallons from Wal-Mart for $.66/gallon. :D

I like:
Fiji water from Fiji
Poland Spring from ME
Absopure from MI
Kona Nigari from Hawaii

I wish they were in glass bottles though. I do not like plastic.

What we have is pure ground water. It is just as clean and good as any bottled water. But people are still buiyng bottled water!! The price difference is enourmous. 66 cents for a gallon of bottled water?

That is extremenly cheap. Here yo pay around 1$ for two pints, and that is the cheap stuff!

Have you tested the ground water? It's pure? That's awesome. (Some ground water is very badly polluted.) I would love pure ground water. Drinking tap water in DC is Russian roulette. Ugh... :(

Have you tested the ground water? It's pure? That's awesome. (Some ground water is very badly polluted.) I would love pure ground water. Drinking tap water in DC is Russian roulette. Ugh... :(

I've been to DC and I've used tap water there.:shrug:

The water resides in in large layers if limestone, so the soil and the limestone filter it as it travels from the surface to the resiovars. I kid you not.

Thats why many Danes get ill when they go abroad, they think they can just drink the tap water. Many places ot is polluted or so filled with chlorine (many places they use surface water which is filtered) that it tastes as a svimming pool.

The water resides in in large layers if limestone, so the soil and the limestone filter it as it travels from the surface to the resiovars. I kid you not.

Thats why many Danes get ill when they go abroad, they think they can just drink the tap water. Many places ot is polluted or so filled with chlorine (many places they use surface water which is filtered) that it tastes as a svimming pool.

I have found drinking water in the US to be very highly chlorinated. Also if you heat it without filtration, it gets an oily film. Ruined many a cup of tea.

I've been to DC and I've used tap water there.:shrug:

It's full of pollutants and lead. I read somewhere back in '05 that 10% of kids voluntarily tested had way elevated levels of lead in their systems. :(

"The water in Northern Virginia and Washington, D.C. is very poor and is getting worse. Contaminants, bacteria, minerals and chemicals in tap water are masked with heavy doses of chlorine and tap water, in addition to being unhealthy, tastes and smells terrible."

I kid you not. :(

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-is-the-problem-with-northern-virginia-and-washington-dc-water.html

I have found drinking water in the US to be very highly chlorinated. Also if you heat it without filtration, it gets an oily film. Ruined many a cup of tea.



:puke: Sounds very nasty

There are reservoirs and aquifers.

I think filtered water deploys the same mehtods as the natural filtering process. The idea is that it goes through layers of soil and sand particles before being collected in the aquifers.

The biggest problem is industrial pollutants, chlorine is safe and effective against microbes- http://www.waterandhealth.org/drinkingwater/groundwater.html

Yo can also blame yourself when you go to the dry cleaners or use insecticides:)

um, so as you can see chlorine is not going to hurt you asa far as drinking water goes. Maybe Sam just needs to wash her cups better....

There are reservoirs and aquifers.

I think filtered water deploys the same mehtods as the natural filtering process. The idea is that it goes through layers of soil and sand particles before being collected in the aquifers.

The biggest problem is industrial pollutants, chlorine is safe and effective against microbes- http://www.waterandhealth.org/drinkingwater/groundwater.html

Yo can also blame yourself when you go to the dry cleaners or use insecticides:)

um, so as you can see chlorine is not going to hurt you asa far as drinking water goes. Maybe Sam just needs to wash her cups better....

Hmm

Disinfecting water with monochloramine may produce toxic byproducts, according to new research published in ES&T . The research is causing concern in the drinking water community because monochloramine’s main appeal as a disinfectant is to avoid the toxic byproducts associated with using elemental chlorine to treat water.

The new research suggests that N-nitrosodimethylamine (NDMA), which is considered a probable human carcinogen, can be formed in surface water that is treated with monochloramine. The research confirms what researchers have observed in the field, says David Sedlak, an associate professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California-Berkeley.

That is monochloramine, there is a big difference...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine

They do not use chloramine where i live now, or in N.Y.C either.

http://www.waterandhealth.org/drinkingwater/groundwater.html

I only drink tap water. Bottled water tastes funky to me.
When we go to a restaurant, I request tap water there also.

I find bottled water bland and tasteless; I've always used tap water, sometimes filtered, sometimes as is.

Besides bottled is not necessarily safer

http://www.water-drinking.com/index.shtml


Amen, man. IF Sandy finds that bottled water has any taste at all (s)he's missed something big in life :) She needs to go to Europe they have some "tubular" wells left.
The water has different taste in each well, because of different combinations of salts, which are totally lost during water purification.

30 billions of plastic water bottles are being thrown away each year. That's crazy. Lovers of purified water should have multiple use containers they could fill. Water is heavy, it takes lots of diesel to distribute water over thousands of miles.

I just read an article decrying the use of bottled water. They said it was bad for the environment. While I am all for being a good steward of the environment, I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up bottled water. Most tap water tastes terrible. Even filtered tap.
Well from this statement, it seems that the quality isn't your concern. You just want to whine about how it tastes.
Because...Britta and PUR filters do a damn good job of filtering tap water. I've used a Britta filter pitcher for over a year and the water is just fine.
Yet something else that Sandy feels the need to whine about. :rolleyes:

So what then? What should we do? I love bottled water. And here in CA the big thing is putting slices of fruit in pitchers of it. Very refreshing. IL has some of the best bottled water I've ever had. And DC has the absolute worst tap water in the universe. :(
DC's tap water is even worse than the water from Mars? In the whole universe? You seem to get around.

So is there a solution? Are there REALLY good filters for making your own tap water bottles/containers? I read the only thing you should use your tap water for is washing floors. :D
Yeah there is a solution: Britta or PUR. What part of that seems to elude you?

One other solution being; buy one of those water dispensers and a couple of the five gallon reserviors(like you see at a lot of workplaces). You can go to certain grocery stores (Wild Oats is one of them) where you take your five gallon reservoir bucket and fill them up at a pure/filtered water dispenser at the store. They are usually about $.40 a gallon. It's cheaper than wally world's $.66 a gallon, plus you reuse the reserviors and don't waste any plastic.

Amen, man. IF Sandy finds that bottled water has any taste at all (s)he's missed something big in life :) She needs to go to Europe they have some "tubular" wells left.
The water has different taste in each well, because of different combinations of salts, which are totally lost during water purification.

There are many places in U.S that use wells as well...:D

The water smells like rotten eggs.

Well from this statement, it seems that the quality isn't your concern. You just want to whine about how it tastes....
Yet something else that Sandy feels the need to whine about.

Why do you have to turn a perfectly good/interesting discussion into a personal attack? Why do you have to cr@p on my threads/posts? :mad:

Knock it off. It's getting old. :mad:

This is crazy, bottled water and tap are the same damn thing, H20. Now I know James R will agree with me on this, I know he likes me lots and is totally in my corner here... ya see tap water is bottled, molecularly they're identical. The problem is stupid dorks are thinking there is a huge difference, let me ask ya just how filtered and clean is bottled water that's basically been hauled in a tank miles an miles when the tanks likely never cleaned and stuff? Give me a freakin break ppl, you have water treatment plants precisely because it's easier / safer.

I'm sick of seeing bottled water for sale, they should give it away to ppl instead of selling the stuff, it's basically free anyway. I doubt Fuji water or some other pathetic brand is actually brought all the way from the ends of the Earth and kept totally free of stuff, this is stupid :P

PS Just go see what water is being treated, when you see it you'll understand how it's sooo much better lol

So stop buying bottled water and live with tap. Do a blind test, mix tap and different bottled waters, on the bottoms write which kind it is. You'll soon learn there's no difference except in your imagination!

I've done the tests. There is plenty of difference. Actual water quality tests proved it.

Tap water tastes awful. Smells terrible. Once I drank bottled water I never wanted tap again.

And I can tell the difference.

There are many places in U.S that use wells as well...:D

The water smells like rotten eggs.

Like this?
http://www.pentaxnews.ru/img/photos/2952-src.jpg

I"ve seen nothing like this. You've drunk water from deep wells made by drilling. The well on the picture is relatively shallow 10-20 meters, it's made by digging with shovel and gradual stacking short tubes on each other, i.e. water there is "naturally filtered" and rich in minerals making it tasty. Water from the deep drilled wells can contain natural poisons like arsenic and sulphur, because it was sitting underground for very long time to dissolve undisolvable.

Why do you have to turn a perfectly good/interesting discussion into a personal attack? Why do you have to cr@p on my threads/posts? :mad:

Knock it off. It's getting old. :mad:
Awww. You're sooo cute when you're mad.

As for personal attacks, I tell you what. Why don't you curb your whining and bitching and I'll lay off the supposed personal attacks?
And by definition, unless I called you a name directly, there is no personal attack. You're like the little sister who constantly picks on and antagonizes her big brother but runs and tells mom when brother retaliates.
"Waaaa. Waaaaa. Sciforums members are always personally attacking me. Waaaa. I don't know why."

In addition, I also made a statement that directly correlates to the topic of this thread.
Allow me to fill you in, since it seems to have went right over your head.
You don't like tap water. Fine. I agree with you that there is a difference between it and filtered water. But, aside from taste, that's where it ends. Britta and PUR have been staples in the filtered water community. Tap water that goes through their filters is no less pure than bottled water from Wal Mart. SO, when you start making statements belittling filtered tap water, when it's no less pure than the bottled water, the only thing left for you to whine about, is the taste.

*grabs tub of popcorn and soda and waits for Sandy to respond accusing me of more personal attacks :rolleyes: *

hmm, guess it was similar to in the picture only they use pumps to distribute it.

You get used to the smell and the taste.

Most tap water tastes terrible. Even filtered tap.All filters are definitely not equal. Brita, which I prefer, pretty much takes out only the chlorine. Pur, which my wife prefers, takes out practically everything, including even some nasty bacteria. That spans the entire gamut from barely filtered to completely filtered. I'm sure if you keep trying you'll find an under-the-sink filter that you like the taste of.So what then? What should we do? I love bottled water.Back when the bottled water craze first started, Consumer Reports did a blindfold-test of all the major brands. (You could do that back then, there weren't ten thousand of them.) The winner? Well they threw in a ringer without telling anybody: New York City tap water. I can't believe the city hasn't gotten into the act and begun marketing it. Just shows you how poor the lefties are at economics. :)I know the plastic starts to break down in the bottled water after a few hours of being open.I think you're all right in that regard if you just drink the water no matter how long it takes to finish it, even if you put in in the fridge overnight. The problem is that people reuse the bottles for weeks or months and that is a statistical health risk.And I'm aware of some bottled water being no better than tap.Well remember: All you need to do to obtain water that satisfies every legal defintion of "purified" is to open your tap! We have absolutely no way of knowing whether some of those bottled brands were filled from a municipal tap and you're paying for the fancy label and the profits.I read the only thing you should use your tap water for is washing floors.That's irrational risk analysis. Sure, you can reduce your risk of being killed by your imperfect municipal environment by .00000001% or something like that by not drinking the municipal water. But as you've noted, bottled water is deliberately sold in easily degradable bottles and they don't wait until you throw them away to start degrading. There's some chemicals you don't want in your body, and does anybody here have enough data to calculate the relative risk of those two water sources? But look at the economics. Bottled water is the biggest ripoff since they realized that people would pay for Windows. Venerable old companies like Nestle have launched bottled water divisions that almost bring in more income--at an astronomical profit margin since it's just frelling water--than their traditional lines of business. Look at all the money that is being spent on bottled water. What if all those environmentally conscious, health-aware, fashion-trendy, advertising-gullible consumers simply donated that money to the charity of their choice? Maybe one water drinker per century would die from the poisons in tap water, but they could save the lives of millions of starving Third World babies. How's that for rational risk analysis?"The water in Northern Virginia and Washington, D.C. is very poor and is getting worse. Contaminants, bacteria, minerals and chemicals in tap water are masked with heavy doses of chlorine and tap water, in addition to being unhealthy, tastes and smells terrible."Nothing works in DC. It doesn't have a state! It is run directly by the federal government. What do you expect??? NoVa is totally dysfunctional. The state government in Richmond is dominated by traditional rednecks, who don't feel like making life pleasant for the Yankees, black people, immigrants, college graduates, and other undesirables who live in the D.C. suburbs of Fairfax and Arlington County and work for the DamnYankee government. Their transportation system, storm drains, water supply, everything is totally screwed up and the state goverment loves it that way. I live in my home away from home right across the river in Montgomery County, MD, and we have some of the best water in the country, from the same source!Why do you have to turn a perfectly good/interesting discussion into a personal attack? Why do you have to cr@p on my threads/posts?Sandy, your making peace with the principles of this forum and becoming a respectable member is duly noted. If people are still hanging onto some of the things you said when you were new here... well we all have to deal with the consequences of things we've done in the past. My advice to you is to simply ignore these comments, act like you didn't even notice them. If you don't entertain people by making angry responses to their jibes, they'll get tired of posting them. Not to mention if the moderators see someone making personal attacks against a member who is so scrupulously polite that she doesn't even talk back, guess who will get busted? Irony can be delicious. :)

i filter my evian.

peace.

I just drink tap water. We have one of the best water treatment plants in Canada, in fact Coke has a bottling plant here. They buy the city's tap water, filter it one more time and then bottle it as Dasani. So if you're wondering where that crisp, refreshing bottle of Dasani "purified water" comes from; out of the taps in Calgary, AB (or Brampton, Ontario as they have a plant there too).

No chlorine either, the city uses UV radiation to kill any bacteria left after the filtering.

its just water i drink tap water all the time. most bottle water is just tap water in a bottle with a fancy label most of the difference in taste is purely a mental thing they do not really taste different. the less filtered water i drink on my grandparents farm taste the same as the more filtered water i get in alpharetta,GA

I drink evian water, not for the taste, I just want to know if there's ever a drought in france I'm doing my bit!:p

Tap water here in Dallas tastes fine. I guess it's where you live. Just 100km to the east, there are lots of sulphur deposits, making the water smell like...well...ass. No one drinks it.

I've heard of dentists being worried about the lack of fluoride in bottled water....That kids might get more tooth decay. Not sure if that true.

Plus all those plastic bottles ending up in the landfills...I wonder how long they take to break down.

I've heard of dentists being worried about the lack of fluoride in bottled water....That kids might get more tooth decay. Not sure if that true.I think just about any dentist anywhere will agree with that, and I have no reason to disagree with them. Fluoridated water made a quantum improvement in America's dental health. However, fluoridation has always been controversial and its critics are not all pseudoscientists. It's a matter of risk analysis. Is the benefit of better teeth worth the cost of... well that's where I get hung up. I'm not entirely clear on the dangers of fluoride.Plus all those plastic bottles ending up in the landfills...I wonder how long they take to break down.Those have Recycling Triangle Number One on them so they are the least sturdy plastic. That's the reason they're dangerous to re-use, they start to break down spontaneously. Considering that a lot of our trash will last tens of thousands of years and some even longer, water bottles will break down in a much shorter time. They need to set up a deposit system on plastic bottles like they do on glass bottles and aluminum cans, at least in California. Homeless people scour the landscape for those things and line up at the recycling machines for their nickel.

Thanks FR for the info..I just assumed anything made to hold water would last a long time....a really long time....longer than a international flight sitting next to Rosie O'donnell.

They need to set up a deposit system on plastic bottles like they do on glass bottles and aluminum cans, at least in California. Homeless people scour the landscape for those things and line up at the recycling machines for their nickel.

I tell you what..that's a f-ing great idea right there.

And DC has the absolute worst tap water in the universe. :(From today's Washington Post:Washington Aqueduct
MUSTY WATER IS HARMLESS, OFFICIALS SAY
A musty, earthy odor and taste detected in drinking water in the District and parts of Northern Virginia over the past few days is harmless, but officials are trying to eliminate it with added filtration measures, the chief of the Washington Aqueduct said.

Aqueduct General Manager Thomas P. Jacobus, whose agency filters Potomac River water and sends it to household taps in the District, Arlington County and Falls Church, said the unusual odor was detected in the past three or four days. He said the problem was the low water level in the Potomac, which makes the water warmer and susceptible to a buildup of algae. That algae gave the water its unusual, but not dangerous, taste, he said.

Jacobus said the agency is putting its water through activated charcoal filters, which should remove the taste and odor. He said the water should regain its usual taste by the weekend.

I'll bet the customers can't wait for the return of its usual taste. :)

I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up bottled water. Most tap water tastes terrible. Even filtered tap.
theres a secret to make it taste good,boil it for 10 minutes(that will kill anything) then store it in the frig.

I know the plastic starts to break down in the bottled water after a few hours of being open. Have you ever smelled a bottle of opened water a day or two later.
just what kind of plastic are they using ? :eek:
the plastic water botles we have in Canada dont deteriorate ever.

So is there a solution? Are there REALLY good filters for making your own tap water bottles/containers?
sure there are,ask a certified water well drillers.

btw Ive heard that most bottled water comes from a tap anyway,those fancy names like Pure spring or Glacier pure etc are just marketing BS to sucker people like you to spend big $$ on something you can get for free at home :p

A couple of weeks ago the Pepsi-Cola company made a public announcement that its Aquafina brand of bottled water is in fact tap water. As I pointed out in an earlier post, any municipal water supply in America satisfies the legal definition of "purified water."

The Aquafina revelation merely illustrates the point that not all purified water tastes alike. As I also said earlier, there are several home purification systems on the market that can be installed under the sink. I suspect that almost every bottled water enthusiast could find one of these that satisfies his taste buds, and save hundreds of dollars per year.

Be sure to do a scientific test, with an accomplice and a blindfold. The flavor of water is very subtle compared to most of the things we put in our mouths, and our perception of it is highly influenced by other factors such as expectations. As I also noted, when Consumer Reports did a blindfold test, the majority of the "experts" chose New York City tap water.

Bringing this thread back because I've discovered the best water ever. It's "Penta" and it's bottled right here in CA. It's the best-tasting, most refreshing water I've ever had. A bit pricey but well-worth it. :)

http://www.pentawater.com/

Nothing beats H2O

It's a big business that I used to think was a crock but after having various samples of water tested, I'm sold. Penta is best.

Reverse Osmosis type of filtering is by far the best and does a superior job

compaired to any other types of filtration systems available today.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reverse osmosis is a separation process that uses pressure to force a solvent through a membrane that retains the solute on one side and allows the pure

solvent to pass to the other side. More formally, it is the process of forcing a solvent from a region of high solute concentration through a membrane to a

region of low solute concentration by applying a pressure in excess of the osmotic pressure. This is the reverse of the normal osmosis process, which is the

natural movement of solvent from an area of low solute concentration, through a membrane, to an area of high solute concentration when no external

pressure is applied. The membrane here is semipermeable, meaning it allows the passage of solvent but not of solute.

The membranes used for reverse osmosis have a dense barrier layer in the polymer matrix where most separation occurs. In most cases the membrane is

designed to allow only water to pass through this dense layer while preventing the passage of solutes (such as salt ions). This process requires that a high

pressure be exerted on the high concentration side of the membrane, usually 2–17 bar (30–250 psi) for fresh and brackish water, and 40–70 bar (600–1000

psi) for seawater, which has around 24 bar (350 psi) natural osmotic pressure which must be overcome.


This process is best known for its use in desalination (removing the salt from sea water to get fresh water), but has also purified naturally occurring

freshwater for medical, industrial process and rinsing applications since the early 1970s.



I recommend ..

http://www.watervalue.com/aquaro.html

When I discover a clean looking stream while hiking in the Baltics I always empty my bottled water supplies and fill them with stream water, it tastes a lot better!

I use my own bottles and flasks.

all in the name of convenience
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I get water out of the tap and use the same glass over and over. I don't care what bottled water tastes like, I'm not paying for it!

When I discover a clean looking stream while hiking in the Baltics I always empty my bottled water supplies and fill them with stream water, it tastes a lot better!

I use my own bottles and flasks.


There could be a problem with stream water. Animals relieve themselves in

that stream, upstream from where you are. Pollutants from the air are in

that water also. Even bacteria and other types of microscopic parasites are

living in that water. I do hope that you put disinfectant in that water before

you drink it?

Take this with you.

http://www.safetycentral.com/wattreattab.html

No, I don't put those tablets in my water, it spoils the taste.
A little bit of dirt hasn't hurt and keeps the immune system active.
I boil river and lake water before use though.

Some of those are Iodine-based compound (no chlorine) and don't leave a taste at all.

The minerals in tap water are generally good for you.

Nothing beats H2O
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M*W: Yeah, where would we be without it???

there is no difference

M*W: Yeah, where would we be without it???

Well, I think we're in the process of finding out. Atlanta is one of the leading candidates on loss of water, so perhaps they'll show us the way.

There's a major shortage of clean, fresh drinking water in many, many areas of the world. Yep, I think man is about to see where we'll be without it.

Baron Max

there is no difference

I had 6 brands tested. Most failed miserably. My favorites did not. Tap was horrendous--full of cr@p. :(

I'll keep on drinking my favorites. :)

I had 6 brands tested. Most failed miserably. My favorites did not. Tap was horrendous--full of cr@p. :(

I'll keep on drinking my favorites. :)

http://www.watervalue.com/aquaro.html

http://www.watervalue.com/aquaro.html

Do you have that? Do you like it? How do you clean it? Bleach? With my travelling all over the country and not staying in any of my places more than a few days, would the filters get moldy from lack of use? Am I better off just buying the bottled water wherever I go?

Reverse Osmosis type of filtering is by far the best and does a superior job

compaired to any other types of filtration systems available today.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reverse osmosis is a separation process that uses pressure to force a solvent through a membrane that retains the solute on one side and allows the pure

solvent to pass to the other side. More formally, it is the process of forcing a solvent from a region of high solute concentration through a membrane to a

region of low solute concentration by applying a pressure in excess of the osmotic pressure. This is the reverse of the normal osmosis process, which is the

natural movement of solvent from an area of low solute concentration, through a membrane, to an area of high solute concentration when no external

pressure is applied. The membrane here is semipermeable, meaning it allows the passage of solvent but not of solute.

The membranes used for reverse osmosis have a dense barrier layer in the polymer matrix where most separation occurs. In most cases the membrane is

designed to allow only water to pass through this dense layer while preventing the passage of solutes (such as salt ions). This process requires that a high

pressure be exerted on the high concentration side of the membrane, usually 2–17 bar (30–250 psi) for fresh and brackish water, and 40–70 bar (600–1000

psi) for seawater, which has around 24 bar (350 psi) natural osmotic pressure which must be overcome.


This process is best known for its use in desalination (removing the salt from sea water to get fresh water), but has also purified naturally occurring

freshwater for medical, industrial process and rinsing applications since the early 1970s.

I believe that could be true but my question is about the lack of use. With the system sitting there unused for up to two weeks, could you get mold? Could the filters get moldy? There isn't much worse than moldy water.

No, you just reverse flush it if you are worried but with active charcoal in it

I wouldn't worry about it.

Ok, thanks. I will take this into serious consideration. My water in DC, CA, and IL is horrendous. :(

Have you seen the new water filters you can put on your tap? They have a flavour cartridge so you can have lemon water.

I saw those O, but I don't know well they filter. I don't know how pure the water is from a tap filter. I'm guessing not too pure. I have tested some water from tap filters. It didn't do very well.

I saw those O, but I don't know well they filter. I don't know how pure the water is from a tap filter. I'm guessing not too pure. I have tested some water from tap filters. It didn't do very well.

Reverse Osmosis type of filtering is by far the best and does a superior job

compaired to any other types of filtration systems available today.

I had 6 brands tested. Most failed miserably. My favorites did not. Tap was horrendous--full of cr@p. :(

I'll keep on drinking my favorites. :)

Tested for what? I am curious because I did alot of water testing when I took up aquariums and had to find alternative waters because my own tap water (well) was simply too high in minerals.

I found some problems with different gallon sized bottled waters, but even with those it was mostly due to minerals. I did have one that tested with a very minimal amount of copper (the lowest detectable level on my test) which I wont use because of the shrimp in my tank, and another that had higher than acceptable nitrogen (but within an acceptable drinking level).

Reverse Osmosis type of filtering is by far the best and does a superior job

compaired to any other types of filtration systems available today.

Thats what I ended up with for my fishtank. 3-4 gallons of R/O and 1 gallon of my tap provides a balanced aquarium water (I have breeding fish).

The drawback of the home R/O systems is the basic of the water going in. I looked into what I would need to do because of the hard water and to get the filters in the R/O unit to last, I would need a primary water softener/filtration system for the water before it goes into the R/O unit, or I would be replacing membranes WAY too often for my budget, even with back flushing.

Most grocery stores around here have an R/O unit and you just bring in your own jugs for refill ($.39 per gallon). I have been using the R/O water for my coffee and cooking for years. Walmart has some 7 gallon jugs so two of those for the fish tank water change. But you have to make sure its a R/O unit because some stores (like in s.dakota) just offer tap water thru a machine. An R/O unit will advertise its an R/O unit. The others just say water.

They tested for everything. I wanted the best.

everything?

everything?

Apart from BS.

They tested for everything. I wanted the best.

OK fine. But usually they give you some kind of documentation about their results which would allow interpretation of hazard risk. Its not normal for water from any source to be free from something detectable.

So, what was the PH level of any of these samples? That is a basic test that a 5th grader can do with a few drops of testing solution.

What was the GH/KH of the samples? This is the basic mineral test. It doesnt tell you what kind of minerals, thats a host of different tests.

A test for everything would give you the ppm (which for water testing is mg/L) for a host of minerals. So can you give me one example of one mineral result from all these tests you had done? I am curious about the most alarming facts you uncovered in these tests you did. There are plenty of minerals which are very good to have in your water (at some levels) and a primary source for your bodies health.

Responding with "they tested for everything" does not help people make informed decisions. Maybe there are some people here reading these posts who should reconsider whether they use R/O drinking water for cooking. And then maybe theres people here becoming concerned needlessly due to the taste of iron in your water being undesirable, yet harmless in the health scope of this issue.

Apart from BS.

Theres tests for that too. Many many tests.

:)

Theres tests for that too. Many many tests.

:)

I have a simple one. I look for right wing xtian rhetoric by someone posing as a female, and label it 'BS'

LOL. They tested for purity. Some of the water was too hard. Some had trace minerals I did not want to drink. Some had too high chlorine. You know what I mean.

A better answer than "they tested for everything".

Chlorine/chlordine is a nasty tasting no doubt.

Water analysis from a water treatment plant on the potomac (just for an example):
http://www.wsscwater.com/info/TapAnalysis05.pdf

Back to the R/O unit topic, one needs to research what the various filtration systems remove. Some are very good, some are a waste of money. The better ones require more filter changes to keep things from getting through and the better the filter, the more expensive the cartridges. Also alot of these waste alot of water. You can find very high ratio of wasted water to get one gallon of filtered water, depending on the unit and the quality of the water your putting through it.

That's why I'm thinking just buy bottled water wherever I am. Puttin RO on all those properties (many of which sit empty) would probably be a huge waste of money.

Plus all those plastic bottles ending up in the landfills...I wonder how long they take to break down.

I worry more about how they may contaminate the ground water. Sandy may be aiding and abetting the pollution of the water she refuses to drink.

It's a big business that I used to think was a crock but after having various samples of water tested, I'm sold. Penta is best.

Please tell us what the tests entailed.

When I discover a clean looking stream while hiking in the Baltics I always empty my bottled water supplies and fill them with stream water, it tastes a lot better!

I use my own bottles and flasks.

I did the same thing in the Dublin mountains when I was a boy but the stream was close to the source and unlikely to have been polluted.

That's why I'm thinking just buy bottled water wherever I am. Puttin RO on all those properties (many of which sit empty) would probably be a huge waste of money.

You breathe some of the worst air in world in California. Air itself is very

polluted today so even if you drank the purest of water you're still going to

be breathing the foulest of air! You breathe allot more than you drink.

I'll keep on drinking my favorites. :)

As will the rest of us.

They tested for everything. I wanted the best.


How did they test for taste ?

It's a big business that I used to think was a crock but after having various samples of water tested, I'm sold. Penta is best.It's still basically a crock. The quality of most municipal water systems in America has not degraded in the 25 years since Consumers Union's blindfolded panel of "experts" named New York City tap water as the best tasting and their scientists found it to be perfectly healthy. Regions like metropolitan Washington where the population has exploded and antiquated systems are straining under the load are of course exceptions.

Yes we all have different taste preferences and there are subtle differences but visual factors, expectations, suggestions from friends and media hype all conspire to make us taste differences that aren't there. I suggest that you work with some friends and set up your own blindfold taste test before you spend any more money on this.I get water out of the tap and use the same glass over and over. I don't care what bottled water tastes like, I'm not paying for it!Good for you! Nestle, a world-famous candymaker, now earns more than half of its corporate income by selling water. I'm always astounded when I see people who live on really modest incomes buying bottles of water from vending machines in the company lunch room, where it costs more than twice as much as gasoline. Still, if you've performed a blindfold taste test and really don't like the taste of your municipal water, the in-home filtration systems are far more sensibly priced. Even the vending machine outside your supermarket (if it's a true reverse-osmosis system) will bring the price down to less than half a buck per gallon and is well worth the effort of hauling the jugs around.There could be a problem with stream water. Animals relieve themselves in that stream, upstream from where you are. Pollutants from the air are in that water also. Even bacteria and other types of microscopic parasites are living in that water. I do hope that you put disinfectant in that water before you drink it?The reason they tell you not to drink still water is that the aeration of flowing water acts as a natural disinfectant. Nothing is 100% chemically pure, you just need the water to be clean enough for your immune system to handle the impurities.

The Nanny State that has hijacked America has gotten us pampering our immune systems and I'm concerned about it. City kids in particular are growing up with immune systems that have never had to respond to some of life's most common molecules, and have fashionable new sensitivities that were almost unheard of during my childhood. I mean come on folks, how would a human being who was allergic to frelling wheat have survived throughout most of the history of western civilization? Who ever heard of allergies to dogs or perfume fifty years ago except as a medical curiosity?

My wife is a textbook illustration of this phenomenon. We spent a month in Mexico in 1978. I was sensible about the tap water and didn't drink it, but otherwise I didn't regard it as poison. She brushed her teeth with the bottled water in the room and (as I put it) taped her mouth shut in the shower. As a result she came down with dysentery twice during the trip and I was just fine.There's a major shortage of clean, fresh drinking water in many, many areas of the world. Yep, I think man is about to see where we'll be without it.Now that they can see further into the earth, they've discovered that there are truly colossal aquifers buried deep beneath the surface. One single gigantic pocket of water about two miles down contains literally enough water to satisfy the entire planet's needs for a whole century. Of course the irony is that this one is under Iraq, but there are others.

But you're right, the politics of this century will be about water, not petroleum. The root of the conflict in Darfur, for example, is a water shortage.Do you have that? Do you like it? How do you clean it? Bleach?Back in the 1960s my friends used to just add bleach to their camping water.With my travelling all over the country and not staying in any of my places more than a few days, would the filters get moldy from lack of use? Am I better off just buying the bottled water wherever I go?A friend of mine kept her Brita pitcher in the refrigerator and didn't use it very often. One day she pulled it out and it was full of mold. I told her, "What did you expect? You filtered all the chlorine out of it!"Most grocery stores around here have an R/O unit and you just bring in your own jugs for refill ($.39 per gallon). I have been using the R/O water for my coffee and cooking for years. Walmart has some 7 gallon jugs so two of those for the fish tank water change. But you have to make sure its a R/O unit because some stores (like in S. Dakota) just offer tap water thru a machine. An R/O unit will advertise its an R/O unit. The others just say water.I've always wondered who buys that stuff. Are they that ignorant or do they live in buildings with rotten pipes?You breathe some of the worst air in world in California.You're way behind the information curve. The air in L.A. has been steadily improving for decades. When I moved to Pasadena in 1960, on a bad day you couldn't see the top of a 13-story building. Now on most days you can see the mountains. Our vehicle emissions standards have been stricter than most other states. Of course now that we want to make them even tighter, the Bush Dynasty won't let us because it might reduce the profits of the Saudi despots and their other buddies in the petroleum industry. L.A. County was implementing a mandatory telecommuting policy in the 1990s, and when King George II took over he put pressure on state and local governments to stop discouraging the use of gasoline.

A friend of mine just returned from a month in China. She said the air is so bad there that her son was constantly fighting his respiratory problems, and there were many days when he couldn't leave the hotel. It's unimaginable how they think they can actually host the Olympics. The athletes will be collapsing. Has an athlete ever died during the Olympics, except at the hands of terrorists? This could be the first time.

You have no idea what you're talking about when you throw around terms like "some of the worst air in the world," so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop denigrating California with forty-year-old data.How did they test for taste?Consumers Union simply blindfolded the judges and included a glass of tap water in the samples. It was a revelation that people have forgotten in their eternal quest to conform to fad, fashion, and advertising hype.

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler
You breathe some of the worst air in world in California. ”

You're way behind the information curve. The air in L.A. has been steadily improving for decades. When I moved to Pasadena in 1960, on a bad day you couldn't see the top of a 13-story building. Now on most days you can see the mountains. Our vehicle emissions standards have been stricter than most other states. Of course now that we want to make them even tighter, the Bush Dynasty won't let us because it might reduce the profits of the Saudi despots and their other buddies in the petroleum industry. L.A. County was implementing a mandatory telecommuting policy in the 1990s, and when King George II took over he put pressure on state and local governments to stop discouraging the use of gasoline.

A friend of mine just returned from a month in China. She said the air is so bad there that her son was constantly fighting his respiratory problems, and there were many days when he couldn't leave the hotel. It's unimaginable how they think they can actually host the Olympics. The athletes will be collapsing. Has an athlete ever died during the Olympics, except at the hands of terrorists? This could be the first time.

You have no idea what you're talking about when you throw around terms like "some of the worst air in the world," so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop denigrating California with forty-year-old data.

10:13 AM PDT on Monday, April 30, 2007

The Associated Press

Los Angeles once again topped the American Lung Association's bad air list of most polluted cities in America.

The association found that the Los Angeles metropolitan area, which includes Riverside County, had the worst air based on 2003 through 2005 figures. Overall, 26 counties in California failed the clean air test and only one city made it onto the group's clean air list -- Salinas.

"Nobody is surprised that LA has an air pollution problem," said Janice Nolen, the association's assistant vice president for national policy and advocacy. "The problems there are one of the reasons we have the Clean Air Act. But it is important for folks to know that there has been some improvement."

The Pittsburgh area was ranked as the nation's second most polluted metropolitan area followed in order by Bakersfield, Calif., Birmingham, Ala., Detroit and Cleveland.

The news wasn't all bad for Los Angeles. Despite the dubious distinction, the number of days residents breathed the nation's worst ozone levels was fewer than in previous years.

The organization based the rankings on ozone pollution levels produced when heat and sunlight come into contact with pollutants from power plants, cars, refineries and other sources. The group also studied particle pollution levels emitted from these sources, which are made up of a mix of tiny solid and liquid particles in the air.

Such pollution can contribute to heart disease, lung cancer and asthma attacks, the association said. Those especially vulnerable to polluted air are children, senior citizens, people who work or exercise outdoors and people with asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Nearly half of the U.S. population lives in counties that still have unhealthy levels of ozone or particle pollution even though there appeared to be less ozone in many counties than previous years, the study found.



http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_websmog.10c3ea9.html

1.City kids in particular are growing up with immune systems that have never had to respond to some of life's most common molecules, and have fashionable new sensitivities that were almost unheard of during my childhood.

2,I mean come on folks, how would a human being who was allergic to frelling wheat have survived throughout most of the history of western civilization?


3.Who ever heard of allergies to dogs or perfume fifty years ago except as a medical curiosity?



1.What MOLECULES are you refering to?



2.Just because those that were allergic to wheat weren't talked about or

reported doesn't mean they weren't around. And yet there still are people

today that are allergic to wheat and they continue to live, why do you think

they can survive? Perhaps they just stop eating wheat and eat something

else.


3.Doctors didn't have report those allergies to anyone 50 years ago so there

weren't any records of that problem. Today doctors have to keep reports

about illnesses and send them to governmental agencies that track these

disorders. Just because doctors didn't keep records of their patients

allergies didn't mean they didn't have any.

I had the water tested for impurities, chlorine, minerals, etc...

We did the blind taste tests. Penta won EVERY test EVERY time. I don't care if it's $2 for a small bottle. I like it.

The air around my place on the ocean in Malibu smells great. The air around my other places is fine too. I try not to spend too much time in the DC area. I'm not worried about the air. I'm too busy.

I'm staying with the Penta water. You guys can drink whatever you want. I don't drink much of anything else. Maybe a little pure cranberry or fruit juice. But nothing else.

My health is perfect so I'm not worried about anything....:)

I had the water tested for impurities, chlorine, minerals, etc...

We did the blind taste tests. Penta won EVERY test EVERY time. I don't care if it's $2 for a small bottle. I like it.

The air around my place on the ocean in Malibu smells great. The air around my other places is fine too. I try not to spend too much time in the DC area. I'm not worried about the air. I'm too busy.

I'm staying with the Penta water. You guys can drink whatever you want. I don't drink much of anything else. Maybe a little pure cranberry or fruit juice. But nothing else.

My health is perfect so I'm not worried about anything....:)

if you keep drinking bottled water it will hurt your immune system because you won't have been exposed to as much stuff

Bottled water is a rip off.

[QUOTE=sandy;1618450]

I don't drink much of anything else. Maybe a little pure cranberry or fruit juice. But nothing else.


I don't know how to say this in Amertican but you strike me as being a "crank" or the victim of hype. I read a medical report some time ago which concluded that cranberry juice does not do all the wonderful things that are claimed for it. But I bet you believe the hype.

Why not give yourself a treat. Visit Europe and go wild drinking the hundreds of varieties of spa water to be found there. As a bonus you will get to meet lots of friendly, healthy people who drink only coffee, beer and wine.You may conclude that life has been passing you by and that the biggest difference between one bottle of water and another is the label.

Finally., have you tried distilled water? It's the purest and most tasteless of all.

The water resides in in large layers if limestone, so the soil and the limestone filter it as it travels from the surface to the resiovars. I kid you not.

Thats why many Danes get ill when they go abroad, they think they can just drink the tap water. Many places ot is polluted or so filled with chlorine (many places they use surface water which is filtered) that it tastes as a svimming pool.

I wondered if you really were Danish until I got to svimming pool. Is this true for Skåne also?

if you keep drinking bottled water it will hurt your immune system because you won't have been exposed to as much stuff
I don't buy this theory. And exposure to microorganisms through drinking water just ain't a great idea. besides our immune systems are exposed all over the place.

Originally Posted by milkweed
Most grocery stores around here have an R/O unit and you just bring in your own jugs for refill ($.39 per gallon). I have been using the R/O water for my coffee and cooking for years. Walmart has some 7 gallon jugs so two of those for the fish tank water change. But you have to make sure its a R/O unit because some stores (like in S. Dakota) just offer tap water thru a machine. An R/O unit will advertise its an R/O unit. The others just say water.
”
I've always wondered who buys that stuff. Are they that ignorant or do they live in buildings with rotten pipes?

I cant answer for why other people purchase the R/O water, but for my water, most of it goes into my fishtank as I stated in post 61 and 62. And for the cooking, since using R/O water in my coffeemaker I have not had clogged tubes from sediment build up (which vinegar solutions delay but do not prevent). The water is so high in mineral, you can taste it in cooked noodles, in soups, rice, and other foods. I personally dont like the hint of yellow clay taste in my foods.

Its not rotted pipes its sediments in the water.

And if you ever find yourself in Custer, S. Dakota have a drink of their potable water. I tried it and went to the store to buy bottled water. The grocery store had the refillables, but it wasnt R/0 so it would taste just as bad as the water in the park. You could smell it 5 feet from the machine.

Hope this helps relieve your own ignorance.

I cant answer for why other people purchase the R/O water, but for my water, most of it goes into my fishtank as I stated in post 61 and 62. And for the cooking, since using R/O water in my coffeemaker I have not had clogged tubes from sediment build up (which vinegar solutions delay but do not prevent). The water is so high in mineral, you can taste it in cooked noodles, in soups, rice, and other foods. I personally dont like the hint of yellow clay taste in my foods.

Its not rotted pipes its sediments in the water.

And if you ever find yourself in Custer, S. Dakota have a drink of their potable water. I tried it and went to the store to buy bottled water. The grocery store had the refillables, but it wasnt R/0 so it would taste just as bad as the water in the park. You could smell it 5 feet from the machine.

Hope this helps relieve your own ignorance.


So now we know the truth about Custer. If only he had kept away from that river !

By the way, how much water do your fish drink ?

By the way, how much water do your fish drink ?

They drink until their loaded to the gills. ;)

They drink until their loaded to the gills. ;)

So they drown. Shame on you !

The most important quality in a drink to me is that it's cold. I like bottled water because I can grab one out of the 'fridge and it's ice cold and ready to drink. The same goes for beer. I like it ice cold and in a bottle. Cold and in a bottle is way more important than what brand of beer it is.

So they drown. Shame on you !

No, they do however bump into things allot! :D

No, they do however bump into things allot! :D

Buy some blind cave fish. They know how to avoid obstacles.

No, they do however bump into things allot! :D

The most important quality in a drink to me is that it's cold. I like bottled water because I can grab one out of the 'fridge and it's ice cold and ready to drink. The same goes for beer. I like it ice cold and in a bottle. Cold and in a bottle is way more important than what brand of beer it is.

When you have lived on this planet as long as I have you will know that only lager beer is best drunk cold. Others are best with the chill removed.

I don't buy this theory. And exposure to microorganisms through drinking water just ain't a great idea. besides our immune systems are exposed all over the place.

Are you in favour of vaccination ?

We did the blind taste tests. Penta won EVERY test EVERY time. I don't care if it's $2 for a small bottle. I like it.

The air around my place on the ocean in Malibu smells great. The air around my other places is fine too. I try not to spend too much time in the DC area. I'm not worried about the air. I'm too busy.

I'm staying with the Penta water. You guys can drink whatever you want. I don't drink much of anything else. Maybe a little pure cranberry or fruit juice. But nothing else.

Yep, Penta is my favorite bottled water as well, I mentioned in some older water thread too. Oddly enough, we sorta live near one another, maybe we're the only ones able to taste the difference in waters. ;)

- N

Yep, Penta is my favorite bottled water as well, I mentioned in some older water thread too. Oddly enough, we sorta live near one another, maybe we're the only ones able to taste the difference in waters. ;)

- N

There are two issues in this thread and I suggest you may be confusing them. I am referring to taste and quality. Taste is largely subjective as has previously been pointed out. The number and variety of taste buds on the tongue can vary enormously between individuals and this influences how substances taste to us. It follows that, in expressing a preference for one brand of water over another we are doing no more than expressing a personal preference based on our idividual sense of taste and the role played by a number of psychological factors which affect our judgement. Nothing to argue about there.

The question of water quality has been dealt with as if quality and taste can somehow be equated. This is simply not so unless we are dealing with an extreme case in which the water is quite clearly badly polluted.

All of the European spas, and there were many more in the past than there are today , pride themselves on the quality of their water. And each spa had a loyal clientele. Other considerations apart, commercial interests are at work to influence choice. The putative health-promoting qualities of the water are attributed to their mineral content which varies from spa to spa.

So, there is no "best" water. Further, as any psychologist will confirm, the more we pay for something, the more we tend to value it. Doing otherwise would mean having to admit to ourselves that we have been taken in.We also tend to equate price with quality. Think, for example of the outrageous price of cosmetics .

As a final thought, if a tour of the spas in England, Germany,France, Austria and what was formerly known as Bohemia is of no interest to you , may I suggest a trip to the Greek Islands . The locals never tire of extolling the virtues of their water, each island naturally claiming to have the best.

I just read an article decrying the use of bottled water. They said it was bad for the environment. While I am all for being a good steward of the environment, I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up bottled water. Most tap water tastes terrible. Even filtered tap.

A few years ago, we all had a laugh in Seattle when it came out that our tap water was certified to be bottled and sold. It seemed kind of ridiculous.

At the end of September, though, I found myself in Irvine, California. You know that smell after you blow out a match? That is what the water tasted like. It was strong enough to wipe out the flavor of the toothpaste.

Dasani won a recent taste test of bottled water (I'll have to dig for the source), but what I remember most was the note that the stuff is engineered so that every bottle tastes the same. Interesting, that. The stuff does have a unique taste, but I've never had problems with ... well, there are a bazillion brands around here.

To me, the biggest environmental threat is the fact that it comes in plastic bottles. One of the things conservatives and many liberals alike ignored while arguing about Michael Moore is the time he decided to "follow" his plastic bottle. Essentially, it struck him that, even though he recycled, he had no idea what happened to any of this stuff. Long story short, after calling around and doing some investigating, it turned out that the particular "recycling" system he put that bottle into ended up with the bottle sitting in a landfill in India, ironically only a couple towns away from an environmentally-dubious facility that made single-use plastic bottles for beverages sold in the United States.

I can't recall which book it was in. (Anyone? Anyone?)

[QUOTE=Tiassa;1619955]A few years ago, we all had a laugh in Seattle when it came out that our tap water was certified to be bottled and sold. It seemed kind of ridiculous.

We had a similar experience here in the UK. Bottled " Highland Spring Water" was widely distributed and sold, but people stopped buying it when it emerged that it was Scottish tap water. Like the man said: "there's one born every minute"

My water comes from a tap. I fill glass bottles which I leave in the fridge for about 24 hours. No plastic, no recycling and water that will stand comparison with any other.

I always drank tap water when I lived in the UK but not now I live in France. I have tried it a few times and get mild diarrhoea (though the French water companies assure us of it's purity). Of course I can become immune to whatever is in there as other English people have but do I really want to continue taking whatever it is, inside me? Bottled water costs 1 euro 2 centimes for six 2L bottles here so not exactly expensive and it tastes OK. Days later after opened, it still tastes OK.

In Thailand where I will be in four weeks time, I always drink bottled water, even when people tell me it is OK to drink other water. But water is variable, even from the same maker. Some bottles has more chlorine in than others. When they get it just right, it is just like drinking liquid cold (which is great in the heat there).

I think Dasani just lost a huge law suit. I tried it once. It tasted metallic.

You guys can laugh at me all you want. Do some of your own blind taste-tests. Penta wins every time with everyone I know who does it.

http://www.killercoke.org/seoul070831.htm

Two decades ago, English tap water was entered unknown into a contest to find the best bottled water. With No.20 top, it came No. 17.

I don't like filters. When I worked in a lab many years ago we had to continually change filters as they grew bacteria in them so fast, despite our best efforts. Ideally, tap water filters should be changed weekly (certainly in a warmish room), otherwise you could be drinking polluted water.

Myles. Why leave them in the fridge? We stored viruses at -70.C and even then products had a shelf life as they went off after time. A fridge at about +4.C is going to do nothing to any living contaminants.

It does make you wonder about some "spring water" when they take so many millions of bottles from it every day that you'd need Niagara falls to supply it.

[QUOTE=sandy;1620397]I think Dasani just lost a huge law suit. I tried it once. It tasted metallic.

You guys can laugh at me all you want. Do some of your own blind taste-tests.

I'm not laughing at you Sandy but I would dearly love you to help me settle a bet with myself.

Something tells me that in addition to drinking pure water and cranberry juice you
1 Jog 2. Meditate 3 Read lots of self-help books. Am I right ?

Ps Can I look forward to meeting you in Europe and taking you to a number of spas where you can drink to your heart's content and debate water quality with the locals ?

[QUOTE=sandy;1620397]I think Dasani just lost a huge law suit. I tried it once. It tasted metallic.
You guys can laugh at me all you want. Do some of your own blind taste-tests.
I'm not laughing at you Sandy but I would dearly love you to help me settle a bet with myself.
Something tells me that in addition to drinking pure water and cranberry juice you
1 Jog 2. Meditate 3 Read lots of self-help books. Am I right ?
Ps Can I look forward to meeting you in Europe and taking you to a number of spas where you can drink to your heart's content and debate water quality with the locals ?

LOL! :D No jogging. That's for flat chicks. Only meditate on the Word of God. Only read the Bible and Christian books. I will never go back to Europe so our chance of meeting is nill. Sorry. But if you ever come to CA, IL, or DC, let me know. :)

Myles. Why leave them in the fridge? We stored viruses at -70.C and even then products had a shelf life as they went off after time. A fridge at about +4.C is going to do nothing to any living contaminants.

It does make you wonder about some "spring water" when they take so many millions of bottles from it every day that you'd need Niagara falls to supply it.

Straight from the tap the water can sometimes have a hint of chlorine. Leaving it in the fridge for a day removes any taste of chlorine that might be present, if not the trace of chlorine itself.

As far as bugs are concerned, I trust my water company to deliver a quality product. To the best of my knowledge there have never been any cases of tap water having a deleterious effect on anyone in my area. Had it happened, it would certainly have made the headlines in our local newspaper.

[QUOTE=Myles;1620415]

LOL! :D No jogging. That's for flat chicks. Only meditate on the Word of God. Only read the Bible and Christian books. I will never go back to Europe so our chance of meeting is nill. Sorry. But if you ever come to CA, IL, or DC, let me know. :)

I've been to CA on business on three occasions and , with the exception of San Francisco, I found little to make me want to return.

If you only read the bible and Christian books how on earth do you know what's going on in the world ? Divine revelation ?

Talking to you reminds me of a rhyme which could have been written with you in mind:

I knew a girl who was so pure,
She couldn't say the word manure

Bye xxx

the only time i ever drank bottled water was in japan where the tap water tasted like arse. bottled water is just tap water from the city. my water comes straight from the bore behind my house.

the only time i ever drank bottled water was in japan where the tap water tasted like arse. bottled water is just tap water from the city. my water comes straight from the bore behind my house.

I agree with the point you are making but am intrigued to know how you came to know what arse tastes liked.

[QUOTE=sandy;1620430]

I've been to CA on business on three occasions and , with the exception of San Francisco, I found little to make me want to return.

If you only read the bible and Christian books how on earth do you know what's going on in the world ? Divine revelation ?

Talking to you reminds me of a rhyme which could have been written with you in mind:

I knew a girl who was so pure,
She couldn't say the word manure

Bye xxx

CA is the most beautiful state in the nation. We have everything. This is God's country with the ocean, the mountains, the perfect weather....

He was talking about books. The only *book* I read are Christian-based. I won't read secular cr@p. Garbage in=garbage out. Of course I read news on the net and see some on FOX.:)

the perfect weather....


Don't stay out in that sun to long.

We wouldn't want you getting a melanoma.

CA is the most beautiful state in the nation. We have everything. This is God's country with the ocean, the mountains, the perfect weather....The reason we have so many Christians in California is that they can talk to God for free because it's a local call. :)

But it's a huge state, the third largest in the country and it would cover a good portion of Western Europe. 700 miles tall and 250 miles wide. (1100 x 400km) Naturally there's quite a diversity of scenery and culture. We live in the extreme northwest, which might as well be Oregon. Endless forests, rocky beaches, rural communities with an occasional "city" of 30,000 people, high temperatures 70F (22C) in the summer, lows 35F (1C) in the winter. But we spent most of our lives in Los Angeles, one of the world's largest metropolitan areas with ethnic cultures from all over the globe, beaches like Hawaii, and basically desert weather.

i prefer tap water!! filtered tap water is better though,

Bottled water all the way.

Evian is possibly the most healthy.

In most states in America, and infact in the Uk, they add, as everyone knows, chloride...a disgusting, awful tasting poison. And also, they add, amongst other things, fluoride ...which is supposedly healthy for teeth growth, condition and strength. however, it has been proven that it can have ghastly consequences, including rotting of the jaw bone and other alarming things.

Evian did very well against the others I had tested. It was in the top 5 along with Penta and the gallon of Wal-Mart water. Seriously, that kind of blew us away. :)