View Full Version : Borgs vs Klingons: Who's more advanced?


nicholas1M7
01-26-07, 06:55 PM
Technologically speaking, who holds the stick here? Isn't the Borg civilization newer than the Klingon one? It's taken the Borgs centuries to assimilate these species. Klingons have been around for billions of years.

spidergoat
01-26-07, 07:09 PM
Borg.

madanthonywayne
01-27-07, 10:58 PM
No contest, Borg. Frankly, I can't even believe the Klingons achieved warp drive.

Prince_James
01-28-07, 10:05 AM
Militaristic cultures tend to have an edge on peaceful cultures. That is probably why they were able to develop warp drive.

Anyway, yes, the Borg are more advanced. They are more advanced than any Alpha and Beta quadrant civilization that is currently existent. The Dominion was a more formiddable military force, but they were Gamma quadrant.

TW Scott
01-28-07, 10:38 PM
The problem is that Klingons did not develop Warp Drive or even their math. The use a number system with twelve digits and their hands are identical to human structure. They were given their technology by another race who used them as their military arm. This race however disappeared sometime in Earths 10th century. Klingons have made precious few improvements.

Borg have existec in their current form since before the Sol system had a planet Earth. They don't develop new technology they only assimilated it.

So while the Borg are more advanced now, if the two were left to their own (no contact with outsiders) The Klingons would eventually outpace them, but that could take millenia.

Roman
01-28-07, 11:33 PM
Technologically speaking, who holds the stick here? Isn't the Borg civilization newer than the Klingon one? It's taken the Borgs centuries to assimilate these species. Klingons have been around for billions of years.

Technically speaking, a Klingon holding a stick could easily defeat many, many Borg.

Mosheh Thezion
01-29-07, 01:16 AM
You will be assimilated, resistance is futile. We will add your technological uniqueness to our collective... we are the borg.

orcot
01-29-07, 06:15 AM
the klingon race is billions of years old, wow learn something new everyday

Prince_James
01-29-07, 08:10 AM
The Klingon were a war race...?

Enterprise-D
01-29-07, 03:35 PM
The Borg are definitely more technologically advanced. Transwarp, advanced nanotech, weapons, they make Q 'cautious'...what's not to love :p

nicholas1M7
01-29-07, 07:08 PM
Technically speaking, a Klingon holding a stick could easily defeat many, many Borg.

So your saying Klingons are like the Superheavyweights and Borgs are like the little guys of the Star Trek universe.

spidergoat
01-29-07, 07:11 PM
You don't need technology when you have the warrior's spirit.

nicholas1M7
01-29-07, 07:12 PM
You will be assimilated, resistance is futile. We will add your technological uniqueness to our collective... we are the borg.

It might just be the only cure for bamsymen.

nicholas1M7
01-29-07, 07:13 PM
You don't need technology when you have the warrior's spirit.

How do you mean?

Roman
01-29-07, 07:44 PM
Remember all those times when Worf just cut a Borg to shreds? Or when primitive earthlings gunned them down with machine guns?

The Borg are only resistant to pussy phasers and other gay-ass trek weapons.

A clan of 10th century scotsmen could probably take out an entire cube.

spidergoat
01-29-07, 07:46 PM
Yeah, what if there's a power failure?

Enterprise-D
01-30-07, 08:52 AM
Only a few Borg are killed when the weapons aren't standard particle beam weapons, after a few are sliced or shot by a projectile weapon, the rest of the troop will adapt to the projectiles, and begin close range combat with their machine hands (some have blades, some have electric emitters, all have nano-injectors).

Power failure: it'll have to be a complete shut down of power in a Cube's heavily redundant power systems, such that their subspace link goes down. And since the Cubes are all "regenerative" (fix-it nanites in the hull), that won't last for long either.

Worf: cut a Borg to shreds very few times. I'll grant twice (First Contact and once in the TNG series) although I can't remember for sure. As much as I like Worf, he knows his limits, and it's a good idea to fight the Borg from a safe distance.

orcot
01-30-07, 09:14 AM
I've seen most episodes of voyager doesn't the federation also have those nano things? Their are also virusses that can be carried by people that kill a entire cube when the owner is assimilated. Besides can't the borg be assimilated aswel? Didn't seven ones did that with a couple of drones making them insane.

Or am I yust taking this to seriously

Roman
01-30-07, 09:20 AM
Only a few Borg are killed when the weapons aren't standard particle beam weapons, after a few are sliced or shot by a projectile weapon, the rest of the troop will adapt to the projectiles, and begin close range combat with their machine hands (some have blades, some have electric emitters, all have nano-injectors).

Power failure: it'll have to be a complete shut down of power in a Cube's heavily redundant power systems, such that their subspace link goes down. And since the Cubes are all "regenerative" (fix-it nanites in the hull), that won't last for long either.

Worf: cut a Borg to shreds very few times. I'll grant twice (First Contact and once in the TNG series) although I can't remember for sure. As much as I like Worf, he knows his limits, and it's a good idea to fight the Borg from a safe distance.

Have you ever seen a Borg adapt to projectile/melee weapons?

Enterprise-D
01-30-07, 01:00 PM
Nanotech: The Federation nanotech isn't as sophisticated as the Borg...and nowhere near as invasive.

Virii: Even Admiral Janeway's devastating neural virus was assimilated eventually, even though it helped Captain Janeway destroy the transwarp complex since all the Borg in that complex were dead (final Voyager ep.). The unfortunate side effect of course it that the trojan horse method with virii can't be tried again, the Borg will be prepared as a collective whole.

Roman: Yes, they adapted to torpedos quite easily. :p Hardly the same scale, however that's enough to extrapolate that they can adapt on a smaller scale. Plus only a maximum of one or two Borg soldiers have ever fallen at one time to either projectile or melee weapons. Nobody stays around long enough to even try to continue a battle with a *scoff* knife.

The only thing that the Borg were shown to be unable to assimilate or adapt is the 8472 biological cells. The Species own natural 'assimilation' agents.

orcot
01-30-07, 03:29 PM
that and the future borg, they can't hurt him and he can take control of their ships

Nikelodeon
01-30-07, 03:30 PM
Data strangled a Borg. Made him angry too didnt it?

vcostor
01-30-07, 03:56 PM
I am pretty sure I have never seen a borg anything withstand a pure physical attack.

Roman
01-30-07, 05:50 PM
Roman: Yes, they adapted to torpedos quite easily. :p Hardly the same scale, however that's enough to extrapolate that they can adapt on a smaller scale. Plus only a maximum of one or two Borg soldiers have ever fallen at one time to either projectile or melee weapons.

You mean the photon variety? The type composed of light? I was unaware that light had mass.

Nobody stays around long enough to even try to continue a battle with a *scoff* knife..

Shows you the problem of relying on tech. Just goes to show you what a bunch of pussies the Federation are. Sheesh.

nicholas1M7
01-30-07, 06:53 PM
You know who the Borgs remind me of. The Think Tank in that episode of ST:Voyager where George Costanza plays a bad guy. They solve problems at a price and try to assimilate the highest intelligences around. Their ship was pretty damn advanced and its shields were more powerful than the Enterprise's. But take them on individually and its like nothing. George... he so funny.

Prince_James
01-30-07, 08:41 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Roman here. The Borg show themselves to be repeatedly open to physical attack all the time.

The Federation should switch to guass-rifle assault rifles and massive mass-driver cannons filled with an anti-matter core to blast Cubes to bits.

The Collective would be annihilated.

Roman
01-30-07, 08:56 PM
Rail guns that fire projectiles at near light speed.