How do you rate this.
Christians buying Harry Potter books and burning them, yust like Nazis did.

here is the link @CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/31/potter.book.burning.ap/index.html)

... technically they can do whatever they want with the books.

How do I rate it? I expect this. It's exactly what I've come to expect over the years."These books teach children how they can get into witchcraft and become a witch, wizard or warlock," (Pastor) Brock said. It's like this: Harry Potter teaches you no more about witchcraft than the Malleus Maleficarum teaches you about being a Christian. In fact, I'd say HP teaches you less about witchcraft than MM teaches you about Christianity. Wizardry? To any wizards, I'm sorry, but I've never heard the art of wizardry derivied from anywhere but the most fictitious sources. Warlock? Shows how much the man knows about those subjects upon which he chooses to speak. A warlock is a waer-loga, which is a breaker of the oath; should we burn the Bible because Judas Iscariot teaches you how to be a warlock? How about that Peter? Christian warlocks, for instance, guided Puritanism to its self-destruction in colonial American history. It would appear, then, according to Pastor Brock, that his objections are toward HP's exemplary comparisons of a pagan religion, a fantasy religion, and dishonesty? Notwithstanding that I would probably reject the good pastor's definition of witchcraft for the same reasons I reject my own use of the term "good pastor".

Mistaken rhetoric, antiexpressionism, and wasted dollars: we see the intelligence of this particular religious cadre. At least we know what's important to these Christians.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

This just goes to show you were not only me, but many others get their views on christians from.

If I didnt know some religious ones personally then I'd think they're all like that.

Look back at the middle ages. There were sensible monks who would produce new copies of books. And ofcoarse their were those extremists who profusely went out of their way to destroy any human knowledge, no matter how brilliant, that conflicted with christianity. Ofcoarse their saying nowadays that was the past, we wont be mislead again. But look at the way they are treating homosexuals and harry potter. I bet you anything the pope will one day be apologizing to them too.

The bottom line is to have tolerance for people who are less fortunate than us. The tony1's out their will one day come to realize that science is not an incarnate of satan. We have to put up with all of those much needed anurysms they've been giving us.........or we put them on our ignore lists. But I dont like the idea of ignoring something thats their. It would be a very boring world.......

[Threat of Christianity]

Praise the Gods almighty,
Make it more - this beauty!
Return the memories once had,
Rescue me from agony.

Sorrow, pain and disharmony-
Take it away with light and tears.
And in your way to other plane,
Remind Pandora not to mess with others stuff.

Fight with demons of anarchy,
See the threat of Christianity,
Burning knowledge and joy,
Taking away all the fun from life
/Avatar/


christianity is ment here by the fundamental branch of it

Personally I think the Christians are Still trying to find someone to blame for that whole feeding to the Lion thing.

I find the burning of HP very amusing actually.
They need to realize that their way of doing things is not everyone elses way. Many grow up knowing nothing but of the bible and when faced with a imperfection, irregularity, or something just plain foreign they cannot comprehend it and they turn back to that bible looking for an answer and when not found they throw a tantrum stating that there is no way that could be so. oh well got a bit off topic there but oh well anyways HP is just foreign to them and so it quoted as being bad or "the Devil". so yeah its amusing to me but anyone who thinks that you are going to cast a spell on someone because they read a fictional story. please just get a life.

Just blame it on the radiation left over from Trinity;

Good Christians would never do anything like that.

Thanks for the link Avatar ;)

What a way to post-out the old year ... :D

Nah, the Christians are just jealous that world cinema attendance for HP has outstripped church attendance, and they can’t stomach the idea that witchcraft is more popular than Jesus.

Well as far as im concerened jesus and HP, whats the difference to a child?
Both are books
Both have movies
Both require imagination to believe.
Both perform amazing feats.
Jesus with his Miracles.
Harry with his Magic.
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Miracle --mir•a•cle
Pronunciation: (mir'u-kul), [key] —n.
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

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Magic --mag•ic
Pronunciation: (maj'ik), [key] —n.
1. the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.
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I just find it amazing a childs book could scare and rattle the religious faith of so many, so easily.

cheers
RazZ:p

http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top100bannedbooks.html

The Top 100 Challenged Books--books which have been challenged for their presence in libraries, schools, and, in some cases, bookstores. Of note on this list is #11, Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman. For those who have been around long enough to recall Bowser and I clubbing the hell out of each other over an Oregon ballot measure, this book is where it started, in the Springfield, Oregon library, almost ten years before this website. Who challenges books?

* http://www.oregoncitizensalliance.org Read their press statement about Oregon judges; the fact is that they lose in court a lot; do they realize that our President took an altered oath of office when he became president? The anti-literary position comes from the Studen Protection Acts, and, as I mentioned, their anti-gay crusade started with a book. Check out the Divine Sovereignty Life Amendment proposal to amend the state constitution: this is the opinion of government offered by at least one book-banning agency; it is proposed to be government, though I can't recall having even heard of it except from the OCA themselves. The newsletters are interesting, to say the least, but yes ... this is the psychology of many book challengers. Across the board, throughout the diversity of American idiocies, the universal common trait of book bannings is stupidity. Believe me, I'm as upset as the anti-Salinger and anti-Twain folks as I am at the anti-L'Engle or anti-Silverstein crowd.

* http://www.ala.org/bbooks/bookburning.html Links related to book burning, and a hell of a quote from Ike.

* http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

This is just a bunch of information on banned books ranging from the compelling to the ludicrous:John T. Scopes was convicted in 1925 of teaching the evolutionary theory of Darwin's Origin of Species in his high school class. The Tennessee law prohibiting teaching evolution theory was finally repealed in 1967, but further laws intended to stifle the teaching of evolution in science classes have been proposed in the Tennesee legislature as recently as 1996.

An illustrated edition of "Little Red Riding Hood" was banned in two California school districts in 1989. Following the Little Red-Cap story from Grimm's Fairy Tales, the book shows the heroine taking food and wine to her grandmother. The school districts cited concerns about the use of alcohol in the story. What credibility is there to spend when you oppose the exchange of information, which at its most fundamental state represents what binds humans together?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

If nothing else, it's a ecological crime.
If they've got to destroy, why not recycle?
Simple. It's a symbolic reference to when it was real 'witches' burning.

At least they're not boycotting it. To burn the books they must first have bought them, and so are supporting the author and publishing company in the process. It seems a boycott would be far more effective than finanicially supporting the companies who put forth this "book of witchcraft".

BTW, I'm reformatting my computer now. If I don't come back I broke my HD. :p

I agree wholeheartedly. To me, it's as if the book burning Christians are admitting their stupidity: We want to stop you, so we're going to financially support your efforts and give you free publicity.

I'd like to think that the Lord prefers abstinance from sin in faithful allegiance to his law. Why, then, should those who object that something transgresses that law give aid to that transgression?

I think it's merely that everyone knows propriety is too tough to be practical. A boycott, while proper, is ineffective, and we all know that it's not enough for the book burners to simply abstain from those things they dislike; we all know that it's not enough until those things they dislike are exscinded from the world.

What is the purpose of these burnings? It appears that aside from idiocy and arrogance, there is no purpose.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

I must point out, Christians for the most part seem to think they are better than Athiests (don't sue me for this, it's just what I see lately). However, I've yet to see a large group of athiests burning Bibles as the Christians are doing with Harry Potter. I mean come on, it's just a story. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

And what, we know how Christians like their stories. It could merely be a psychological thing. After all, the duplicity they know best is that which arises in the faith. Now there's a series of stories that may be outselling the Bible, so they somehow see that same duplicity in the new stories. Most of what we wrongly attribute to others is merely a reflection of what we fear in our own selves. When Christians burn books as false, they are manifesting their own fear that they follow a false book, and therefore also manifest their anger toward that fear.

It's like the preacher in the article: this may be a free country, but they don't want it to be. This also reflects their own selves through envy: we are free in our lifetimes, and they envy that. Rather than choosing freedom, though, their doctrinal obligation to their afterlives (greed) compels them to work toward the destruction of freedom.

It's a sad religion, I admit.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

You tell it Tiassa.

Ben

Now that is just stupid! :D
What are they ( the christians ) thinking?
If they BUY the books, they are supporting the author and the company that prints them economically, and they will print more books, earn more money, because of the christians! :D
They are digging their own grave, so to speak.
I don´t think they have thought this through....at all.
Let them burn the books and support the beloved capitalism of society, because that is all that will happen from this mindless act.
I haven´t read the books myself, so I can´t offer my opinion on the books, but I will see the film eventually, but I´m sure it´s only cute and have nothing with "satan" to do whatsoever.
But that is of course a matter of interpretation. If you are inclined to, you may see "satan" everywhere, but that is just an effect of your own twisted sense of perception, to unconsciously chose to see only the negative aspect of everything.

:)

How about burning some bibles to compensate. Some 80% of that book is about an evil supernatural tyrant destroying whole cities, murdering children, and cursing all descendents of people he doesn’t like. And then there is torture for eternity. And then plagues and floods, and crucifixions. Blood and killing throughout. Not to mention threats of all kinds. And then of course there are evil monsters and demons. Brrrr!

Think of how such a book could damage and corrupt a young mind. Just look at tony1 for example.

HP is mild in comparison.

But of course I am not going to buy any more bibles. There are plenty in public libraries and churches that we can take and hence save the human race from further harm. :D

So who will join me on this wondrous crusade to free the world of evil religious literature and save the minds of our innocent children?

Cris

Hail to thee my lord.
I shall follow in thy path.:D

No,no,no,no
Then we will be yust like them
and I do not want that to happen.
Burning any books is a crime and dissrespect.
Find smone else.

BTW, who are we?

Maybe one could even say that burning books is in itself an act of "satan" ??? :D

Bebelina,

Now you’re getting somewhere. Christians are really Satanists. Satan has been so clever that he has managed to turn the tables on everyone and convinced them that he is really Jesus and that Jesus is the real devil. And dare I say it again, just look at tony1's behavior as an example.

And hang on, I seem to recall tiassa saying that in the Adam and Eve story the serpent was the only one who did not tell a lie.

Ahh what a beautiful deception.

Cris

Mr. K sez:

Burning books is BAD! (Aren't Christians supposed to forgive? Would this NOT include Satan, after all isn't he the original protestor?) Oh, I'm going to extremes, aren't I? So sorry.

Well I when I first read of this LUNACY, I pulled out the google search and found a city councilor, emailed him, apologized for ranting on his Email, but asked that he'd pass along my message to Joe, the cabonizing preacher.

27 DEC 01
Sir:

I don't live in NM. However I read of Jack Brock's planned Harry Potter book burning. I found no email address for him, nor his church (no doubt the internet is the work of the devil, too). No doubt there are some air pollution regulations you can evoke to prevent it.

While he may well feel these books are an "abomination", his pastorate, and I retain the right to read what we will--with or without his
consent, permission, or approval. Each of his pastorate has the same right (and the right not be subjected to willful discrimination for it). I strongly recommend he be prevented from holding this book burning, as it evokes memories of Hitler, and be removed from his pastorate for willfully violating the first ammendment.

He has stated that these books are an abomination to him, and his God. When he brings me a letter from his God so stating, I shall be glad to reverse my opinion of his planned burning of these harmless books, which have as much to do with witchcraft as James Bond books had to do with spies and spycraft.

I'd appreciate it if you would pass this long to Jack.

Thank you

Mr. K.


While I got no response to my suggestion, he did say this:
Dr. Stephen Easley
City Commissioner
District 1
Alamogordo, NM 88310"

"Thanks for you letter. I heartily agree. I will see to it that your thoughts are conveyed. We are planning a protest vigil outside the church on Sunday night, during the book burning, and a slew of letters to the editor of the paper.

While I haven't investigated to find out what has happened since the proposed book burning, the point is I did what I could to express my own opinion of it, and to suggest both extreme and lesser alternatives (to burning the books).

I heartily agree these people may worship their God in any non harmful whay they choose, but, if they don't want Potter books
A. Don't buy them
B. Don't let them in YOUR house.

I am curious however, just how many of his pastorate might feel that ol'e Jack, here, is just a little off the beam.
:rolleyes:

mrk,

Oh man. Superb.

Cris

Thanks. I read about the thing on Drudge Report and asked google what they knew about Jack and his 'conserative' church. Big Zippo, but they came up with the email addys for the Alamagordo City Council members.

I emailed Doc and when I saw your post and Bebelina's I just posted my letter and his.

A county in MD was going to ban smoking IN YOUR OWN HOME if your neighbor "found it offensive" I and a couple of zillion others all nailed the county supervisors on that one, so they back peddled it (then they were going to ban Sinter Clawes, too, and we nailed them, again.).

I told B2 not to sign the APA but he did it anyway. I have email, it works! (sometimes).
:D

Note I did not write this, this is an article.

NO DEMONS ALLOWED


HARRY POTTER
IS TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN
SATANISM AND WITCHCRAFT
(Hey parent, what are you going to do when your child
puts a spell on you?)


QUESTION - Does the Bible (GOD) forbid witchcraft, sorcery, and magic? YES
QUESTION - Does Harry Potter teach/show/talk about witchcraft, sorcery, and magic? YES
QUESTION - Do you think God wants you to read these books or see the movie? NO
A news report on 11-16-01 showed a clip of the movie. A cat TRANSFORMS into a woman. The movie/books may be "fantasy" to some, but witches and anyone with the knowledge can really TRANSFORM into animals and back. The power comes from the devil. (You don't think God would do this, do you?)



God has already condemned everything about Harry Potter in Deuteronomy 18:9-12 as follows: "When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.



Here is another email from a former witch.

"I've just read your article on your web page about how bad Harry Potter is and about the former witch's story. I had to write to you and tell you that I totally agree with all of this. I use to be a white witch too before I became a christian 7 years ago.
I use to go to a new age spiritualist church and the other members and leaders there use to tell me that I was doing God's work and they even gave me scriptures to back it up......I was very deceived by it all.
I had my own pack of tarot cards that I did readings from, I was a clairvoyant medium, did seances, astrology, palm reading and had a witches spell book that I found in an old bookshop. Then my mom who had just got saved told me about deut 18:10 and a light went on and I realised that I wasn't doing God's work afterall and I immediatley got saved saved and burnt all my witchcraft/new age stuff.
I know now that the world is being deceived by this witchcraft/new age stuff and I see how it's being introduced to kids through the harry potter movie and I know it's not the way to God.
Anyway I just wanted to let you know that you have a great website to show people the dangers of witchcraft etc."





The following was received via email, and is written by a former Wiccan witch.

"To Those Who Care About This Generation Of Children
This Article Was Written By A Former Witch Who Has Many Hidden Insights To The Deceptions Behind Harry Potter.

Harry Potter?
What Does God Have To Say?


I am writing this urgent message because I was once a witch. I lived by the stars as an astrologer and numerologist casting horoscopes and spells. I lived in the mysterious and shadowy realm of the occult. By means of spells and magic, I was able to invoke the powers of the "controlling unknown" and fly upon the night winds transcending the astral plane. Halloween was my favorite time of the year and I was intrigued and absorbed in the realm of Wiccan witchcraft. All of this was happening in the decade of the 1960’’s when witchcraft was just starting to come out of the broom closet.

It was during that decade of the 1960’’s, in the year 1966, that a woman named J.K. Rowling was born. This is the woman who has captivated the world in this year of 2000 with four books known as the "Harry Potter Series." These books are orientational and instructional manuals of witchcraft woven into the format of entertainment. These four books by J.K. Rowling teach witchcraft! I know this because I was once very much a part of that world.

Witchcraft was very different in the 1960’’s. There were a lot fewer witches, and the craft was far more secretive. At the end of that spiritually troubled decade, I was miraculously saved by the power of Jesus Christ and His saving blood. I was also delivered from every evil spirit that lived in me and was set free. However, as I began to attend fundamental Christian churches, I realized that even there witchcraft had left its mark. Pagan holidays and sabats were celebrated as "Christian holidays."

As time went on, I watched the so-called "Christian" churches compromising and unifying. I also watched with amazement as teachings from Eastern religions and "New Age" doctrine began to captivate congregations. It was a satanic set-up, and I saw it coming. Illuministic conspirators were bringing forth a one-world religion with a cleverly concealed element of occultism interwoven in its teachings.

In order to succeed in bringing witchcraft to the world and thus complete satanic control, an entire generation would have to be induced and taught to think like witches, talk like witches, dress like witches, and act like witches. The occult songs of the 1960’’s launched the Luciferian project of capturing the minds of an entire generation. In the song "Sound Of Silence" by Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel, we were told of seeds that were left while an entire generation was sleeping, and that the "vision that was planted in my brain still remains."

Now it is the year 2001. All of the foundations for occultism and witchcraft are in place. The Illuminists have to move quickly, because time is running out.

It was the Communist revolutionary Lenin who said, "Give me one generation of youth, and I will transform the entire world." Now an entire generation of youth has been given to a woman named J.K. Rowling and her four books on witchcraft, known as the Harry Potter Series.

As a former witch, I can speak with authority when I say that I have examined the works of Rowling and that the Harry Potter books are training manuals for the occult. Untold millions of young people are being taught to think, speak, dress and act like witches by filling their heads with the contents of these books. Children are obsessed with the Harry Potter books that they have left television and video games to read these witchcraft manuals.

The first book of the series, entitled "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’’s Stone", finds the orphan, Harry Potter, embarking into a new realm when he is taken to "Hogwart’’s School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." At this occult school, Harry Potter learns how to obtain and use witchcraft equipment. Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons. These are not characters of fiction!

How serious is this? By reading these materials, many millions of young people are learning how to work with demon spirits. They are getting to know them by name. Vast numbers of children professing to be Christians are also filling their hearts and minds, while willingly ignorant parents look the other way.

The titles of the books should be warning enough to make us realize how satanic and anti-christ these books are. The afore mentioned title of the first book, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’’s Stone", was a real give away. The second book was called "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", while the third book was entitled "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban."

Sadly enough, this blatant witchcraft has been endorsed by well-known and respected "Christian" leaders have proven themselves to be modern day Judas Iscariots. Nothing could be more obvious than that Harry Potter books are pure witchcraft and of the devil. The "Christian" leaders, however, defend them by saying that good magic always wins and overcomes evil magic.

This is the oldest con game ever hatched out of hell. As a real witch, I learned about the two sides of "the force." Apparently, so do many "Christian" leaders. When real witches have sabats and esbats and meet as a coven, they greet each other by saying "Blessed be", and when they part, they say "The Force be with you." Both sides of this "Force" are Satan. It is not a good side of the force that overcomes the bad side of the force, but rather it’’s the blood of Jesus Christ that destroys both supposed sides of the satanic "Force."


High level witches believe that there are seven satanic princes and that the seventh, which is assigned to Christians, has no name. In coven meetings, he is called "the nameless one." In the Harry Potter books, there is a character called "Voldemort." The pronunciation guide says of this being "He who must not be named."

On July 8 at midnight, bookstores everywhere were stormed by millions of children to obtain the latest and fourth book of the series known as "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." These books were taken into homes everywhere with a real evil spirit following each copy to curse those homes. July 8th was also the 18th day (three sixes in numerology) from the witches’’ sabat of midsummer. July 8th was also the 13th day from the signing of the United Religions Charter in San Francisco. Now we have learned that the public school system is planning to use the magic of Harry Potter in the classrooms making the public schools centers of witchcraft training.

What does God have to say about such books as the Harry Potter series? In the Bible in the book of Acts, we read the following in the 19th chapter, verses 18 –– 20: "And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the Word of God and prevailed."

Note- I did not write this

Oh boy....

Anyone who still believes they are a witch needs to get a CAT scan or two.

Harry Potter is hardly promoting witchcraft. It is simply a fantasy book about the usual, supernatural things.

Hey parent, what are you going to do when your child
puts a spell on you?
Hahahaha! Ohhh that's a classic :D

I noticed there wasn't much about how the HP books are training children for witchcraft. Someone show me any legitimate witchcraft out of the book. I dare you. Anyone.As a former witch, I can speak with authority when I say that I have examined the works of Rowling and that the Harry Potter books are training manuals for the occult. Untold millions of young people are being taught to think, speak, dress and act like witches by filling their heads with the contents of these books. Children are obsessed with the Harry Potter books that they have left television and video games to read these witchcraft manuals.

The first book of the series, entitled "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’’s Stone", finds the orphan, Harry Potter, embarking into a new realm when he is taken to "Hogwart’’s School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." At this occult school, Harry Potter learns how to obtain and use witchcraft equipment. Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons. These are not characters of fiction! Ah, so vocabulary is all there is to witchcraft? Whatever.

"Witchcraft equipment"?

I can find you a child rapist who thinks he's a Christian. I can find ou one who thinks he's a Jew. And one who thinks he's a Muslim. Or a Sufi .....

Yes, I can most likely find you a child molester who thinks he's a witch.

And these articles show a couple of idiots who think they're witches. :rolleyes:

An anonymous writer who claims to be a witch? High level witches believe that there are seven satanic princes and that the seventh, which is assigned to Christians, has no name. In coven meetings, he is called "the nameless one." In the Harry Potter books, there is a character called "Voldemort." The pronunciation guide says of this being "He who must not be named."He? He?! I wonder what kind of witch this writer was. Certainly not Gardenerian, and certainly not Modernist. If the author is referring to any witchcraft out of Europe, we might recall that the deity of those crafts were female personas, with male consorts. It is also worth noting that said female deities were conceived long before "Satan" was a twinkle in an apocalypic Jewish writer's eye. Any witch that believes the Christian Satan to be part of the operation is called waer-loga, or warlock. We consider them to be much like the hypocrites of Christian lore, and the word means "oath-breaker".

I would say this "real witch" is a provocateur.

Jonathan

Thanks much for the articles. It's always entertaining to see what the Christian camp comes up with. Thank you for providing these excellent examples of the horsesh-t that justifies book burning and cultural hatred.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

You are all deceived, deceived, deceived!

John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Deuteronomy 11:16, "Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;"

To you all, you do not know that these things really occur, because they are done in secret because they are of satan, which is of darkness. These things are done in darkness, in secret, and these things really occur. You are all unlearned of many things, you side with satan not knowing.

Revelation 18:23, "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."

2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

P.S. The "god of this world" refered to in this verse is satan, though God is the God of all existence, what it is saying is the world are those who reject God, and therefore the word says, "the god of this world".

Ephesians 5:6-17, "5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather * * reprove them.
5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Truth, Jonathan
:confused: :confused:

frm Latvian heathen

So I see you have smth against pagans. To you we all are devil worshipers. Maybe you'd like to check threads devoted to Tony1
where a lot of people said what they think about speaking with no proof.
FIRST-pagans don't worship devil. Devil is primary a christian concept.

John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

You're right about this. I have found my truth, John.
I'm soooooooo freeeeee.

"Deuteronomy 11:16, "Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;" "

Khm, khm, in Genesis God is mentioned in plural. Gods.
tht is said in your book btw.
Same was for Hitler. You don't beleive our ideology-you die!
our in your case. Worship only me or thee shall burn in the lake of fire.[lame]


"To you all, you do not know that these things really occur, because they are done in secret because they are of satan, which is of darkness. These things are done in darkness, in secret, and these things really occur. You are all unlearned of many things, you side with satan not knowing. "

SECRET!!! take a look outside. I attended winter-solstice festival with some 5 000 other people. and it was only one event in particular place. [no devil of cpourse]


"P.S. The "god of this world" refered to in this verse is satan, though God is the God of all existence, what it is saying is the world are those who reject God, and therefore the word says, "the god of this world". "

And YOU beleive that!!!!! where's your evidence???

"Truth, Jonathan "
The only truth is that you haven't looked outside your church basement with no windows and 300 versions of bible to read.


There are many, many other evidence out there disproving your lines, but I don't have the time to gather it in one place.
Rather thn christians I do not force others beleive like me, but I am tolerant to other beleifs and seek to receive the same back, but if you can't check on facts and prove your right with somewhat else thn bible quotes, don't think tht anyone will take you seriously[ok, maybe tony and kalvin will]

Good Luck!

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