Bolloywood viewers are 1.5 billion as against 1 billion Hollywood viewers...shocked? but it is true...bollywood viewers are increasing faster than hollywood :eek:

what u think of bollywood?

have u ever seen any bollywood movie?

do u know miss world and miss universe are now in bollywood?

do u know amitabh bachan (bollywood superstar) is voted as a filmstar of centuary?

can hollywood or bollywood beat the amount of porn viewers?

Bolloywood viewers are 1.5 billion as against 1 billion Hollywood viewers...shocked? but it is true...bollywood viewers are increasing faster than hollywood :eek:

It is all about influence and hollywood's influence far outdoes Bollywood's. For the last 3 years 85% of all Bollywood movies have been Hollywood remakes and the rest 14% are even worse mindless tripe...the last 1% is worthy of being called cinema.

what u think of bollywood?

Same I think about hot steaming pile of dog shit....with a few diamonds stuck in between.

have u ever seen any bollywood movie?

Enough to file a lawsuit for compensation for the damage done to my eyes, ears and brain.

do u know miss world and miss universe are now in bollywood?

They have been for almost a decade now starting with Aishwariya Rai, but none have achieved success like her or her status.

do u know amitabh bachan (bollywood superstar) is voted as a filmstar of centuary?

By who?


The problem with Bollywood is that when it produces anything good it ends up killing it far beyond by even Hollywood standards. Anyone good that comes out of Bollywood gradually runs away from Bollywood because they realize what a mess of talentless hacks and moronic producers it is comprised of....couple that with an extremely conservative audience and you have movie murder.

Bollywood use to have Mira Nair, she bounced...it had Ram Gopal Verma but he is weakening too and making crap flicks lately. It has Amir Khan so far but after Lagaan he has gone into superstardom by doing only one film every 5 years or so. Success in Bollywood always means either: arrogance, requisite followup of 1 million "me too" flicks, or decent into Hollywood.

It may have 1.5 billion viewers but it has ways and miles to go in reaching importance the likes of European and Western cinema.

I haven't seen anything bollywood.
Our international movies channel focusses on quality movies from around the world for some reason. I've seen a couple of indian movies, but I don't think they count as bollywood any more than Tom solondz' "happiness" counts as hollywood.
I still feel like bollywood would be a step down from hollywood, even if it does get more viewers. And hollywood crap is as low as I go on the movie scale.

Independant Indian filmmakers aren't bad at all. Some are pretty good, I've seen a few Bengali films by independant filmmakers which are good. Bollywood is mindless melodrama. Hell, I'd prefer to watch bold and the beautiful if I was desperate for sentimental rubbish.

Ahh... bollywood vs hollywood... It is pretty evident that there are many crappy films that come outta hollywood ... at the same time there are tons of indie or small scale produced films that balance out the glamour from hollywood by making brilliant films... at the same time, there are tons of genres in hollywood films and you have so much to choose from... i like the option of watchin a blockbuster or somethin that isn't so mainstream... at least in hollywood there is a choice and you can find great films if you just look around or do a bit of fishing... i am glad that odeon cineplex (at least in canada) shows many of these artsy or indie films... basically, what i am sayin is that there are many options... you can find gems if you look through the pile of shit...

bollywood is totally different... i'd say that 98 percent of the films made in india are shite... not only is the method very formulaic, it is very unoriginal... get a shoddy plot by copy and pasting from previous films or worse borrow the plot from a hollywood film and completely plagiarize it... now put an upcoming actor or an established actor (dependin on funding) and get a hot lookin actress (who usually has a minimal role)... now get a hot dance number with some really hot chick with skimpy clothing in a bar... make a romance story and add some complication to it... add numerous songs to the film... go shoot somewhere in europe or australia or n.america... patch it all up by laissez faire editing and you have a bollywood film... i cannot believe how much garbage comes outta bollywood... it is really incredible... and i wont sit for 3 hours if the plot doesn't catch me.... it is really embarassin to associate with bollywood films (cuz i am east indian)... i cannot believe that there are so many indians in n.america who don't get how stupid these films are.. they play with your emotions and manipulate you.... and they dont have any thing interesting or new to offer...

the acting is very bad usually... the comedies are buffooneries... the only reason they make you laugh because you can't believe how incredibly retarded the characters are... so you are actually laughin at the movie instead of laughin with the characters.... really really distasteful moviemaking...

i am not trying to sit up on my high chair and come off as being elitist... i am just giving an honest analysis of bollywood because i've been exposed to it for over 20 years... i can probably name five films that i believe are worthy of respect... and that is also pushing it...

i know i am treading on sensitive ground but I am going to say it because it needs to be said... Lagaan was SHITE... a terrible terrible film.... not only was it completely unrealistic, it was shown that this was somethin that could've actually happened.. with the backdrop of a sensitive issue (british colonization, the film not only toyed with people's patriotic notions but their emotions as well... i cannot believe that this film was nominated at oscars.. probably cuz it got so much publicity... bollywood was riding on the back of this film... this film actually made me really angry because it totally derided the whole issue of colonization by trivializin it with a cricket match which would've never happened... i can't believe that they made a film about a very crucial part of indian history and turned into a 3 hour cricket match... and it was terribly offensive as well because i come from the state where this supposed incident took place... i know the story is fictional, but history isn't fictional.. it is factual... i still can't believe that people praised this film and that it got so much attention...

bollywood is a sad thing to be called a good film industry.... they should get rid of it or at least make somethin decent and respectable... there are so many wonderful things about our history and country and it amazes me that no one has made any visually stunning films...

anywayz... i've ranted quite a bit... in case you were wonderin which films i do actually LIKE... in my opinion 'Dil Se' is probably the most perfect film made in the past decade... it didn't do too well at the box office cuz the ending wasn't all perfect and happy and joyful... other films i like are Bombay, Bandit Queen, Rangeela, Darr.... can't think of any other film, but i'll post it if i do...

peace out..

ahh.. forgot to add mira nair's stuff... monsoon wedding (quasi bollywood i guess), fire, earth.... good films no doubt...

i know i am treading on sensitive ground but I am going to say it because it needs to be said... Lagaan was SHITE... a terrible terrible film.... not only was it completely unrealistic, it was shown that this was somethin that could've actually happened.. with the backdrop of a sensitive issue (british colonization, the film not only toyed with people's patriotic notions but their emotions as well... i cannot believe that this film was nominated at oscars..

I loved it. The movie took a serious issue and put a light hearted albeit powerful story behind it. It takes creative liberty with history and paints a pretty nice image. All them ovies about that issue are either too boring or too serious to be entertainment. It shed a new light on the past.

Now I may be treading on thin ice but I despised Devdas....Besides the aesthetic values I found nothing worth redeeming in this movie. I have no idea why it was so popular and so loved. A rich pretty boy drinks himself to death because he fucked up and let go of his love (and his love just happened to be one the most beautiful woman alive)...boo fucking hoo..I feel terrible for him. The asshole deserved to die and he does...haha, story over.


'Dil Se' is probably the most perfect film

The movie had a brilliant fucking soundtrack....amazing really. A.R Rahman is a genius and he did his best work of his carrer in that movie. His work in Saathiya was great too but Dil Se was just perfect musically. Storywise....my favorite has to be Dil Chata Hai.....Incredible movie. A love story done right and brillaintly acted in by all 3 of the guys.


Rangeela



Ram Gopal Verma is a good film maker despite his recent efforts. Kaun was another awesome movie and Urmila is probably THE most versatile actress India has right now.

reply to lostminotaur ....

the way u replied as if u and audience like u means whole world....."Bollywood viewers are 1.5 billion as against 1 billion Hollywood viewers...shocked?"

i agree americans and europeans dont have a taste for bollywood....similarly most of asians and africans dont have a taste for hollywood....so if bollywood is illlogical for emotionless people like u , then hollywood is illlogical for emotinal people of east.

Dont forget here...people of this world are with two main choices ...hollywood and bollywood.....and result is more than 1.5 billion and increasing bollywood share and 1 billion decreasing hollywood share....

and its as simple as that when 75% loves bollywood....who cares for 25% like u? :D

You think even 50% of India's 1.5 billion people have even watched a movie?
You think they have the fucking time or money to?
People watch Bollywood for timepass. As far as aesthetic and artistic values go it's pretty pathetic.

Lagaan was a really good film btw.

airvarta....

really laughing on ur general knowledge...
first , indias population is 1 billion not 1.5 billion

second , yes all indians dont watch bollywood because 30% of them are very young or very old..lol

third, when we say more than 1.5 billion people are watching bollywood ...its means not only india but china , pakistan , africa , some european countries , japan, whole south asia with together makes 75% of worlds population.....

and moreover only 25% dont have a taste for bollywood , as i said before who cares for these 25% when bollywood has a support of 75%.

...similarly most of asians and africans dont have a taste for hollywood.....

Thats why Spiderman 2 caused a rave in India? Thats why every new film in India is a rip off of a blockbuster Hollywood film? Because Asians don't care about Hollywood or Western Culture?


Its no point even debating this with someone who so blatantly ignores the biggest influences of Bollywood or even all of Indian pop culture today.

People like rahul sharma make the VHP what it is.

yes bollywood remakes some hollywood busters....like hollywood makes remake of bollywood ,(for EXAMPLE - ankhein )but this is less then 1% from both sides.

and if u say bollywood make hollywood copies or vice versa , then i think u neither know about bollywood or hollywood , bollywood is known for emotions , family bondings and songs whereas hollywood for action and fiction......They are completely different but yeah some remakes are there form both sides.

AIRAVATA...i know who are U and what is ur identity, this is not political or religious forum , so i will not speak.

yes bollywood makes some hollywood remakes....like hollywood makes remake of bollywood ,for EXAMPLE - ankhein

Some? Some?....you're seriously joking right....please tell me you are. Ankhein is one movie in decades that Hollywood has paid attention to as oppose to the last 4 years Bollywood has fed itself on Hollywood's work.

and if u say bollywood make hollywood copies or vice versa , then i think u neither know about bollywood or hollywood

I watch the same swill as you, I know what I am talking about.

bollywood is known for emotions , family bondings and songs

Use to be. Hum apke hai Kaun started the whole trend of lovey dovey family movies which was milked untill the tete ran bone dry. Then Raaz started the whole trend of fierce Hollywood remakes and ushered in the horror/action genre which is riding its wave even up to now. There have been love and family dramas but few and far between. You need to realize the whole ground of Bollywood is changing and not for the good.

whereas hollywood for action and fiction......They are completely different but yeah some remakes are there form both sides.
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What both sides dude?....name me atleast 3, only 3 examples of current Hollywood remakes from Bollywood. Bollywood isn't as important in the film world as you'd like to think, it has no influence, nor any real credibility. An industry where a movie is considered a hit if it manages to make the back the money that was spent on it can not gain respect.

sarge

I loved it. The movie took a serious issue and put a light hearted albeit powerful story behind it. It takes creative liberty with history and paints a pretty nice image. All them ovies about that issue are either too boring or too serious to be entertainment. It shed a new light on the past.

I really enjoy creativity in films.. but Lagaan was going way too far... it posits an incredibly unlikely scenario with a very painful part of indian history as the background... i just find that the movie completely trivializes what people went through during the brit colonization... its like makin a movie about emancipation and havin a basketball game between the slaves and the whites... it just doesn't sit well...

rahul

"Bollywood viewers are 1.5 billion as against 1 billion Hollywood viewers...shocked?"

ummmm... so what? i dont really give a shit how many people watch movies in bollywood or hollywood... i was givin my criticism of indian movies...

so if bollywood is illlogical for emotionless people like u , then hollywood is illlogical for emotinal people of east.

ummm... did u even read my post? i even criticized hollywood, not just bollywood.... hollywood has made many good sensible emotional films... bollywood films are not illogical, they're just stupid... its commercial film making.. if you can sit through that drivel day in and day out, then kudos to you...

and its as simple as that when 75% loves bollywood....who cares for 25% like u?

it truly doesn't matter to me.. i am very picky about my films in general, not just bollywood or hollywood.. i am not here to appease any bollywood fans..

Sarge

Its no point even debating this with someone who so blatantly ignores the biggest influences of Bollywood or even all of Indian pop culture today.

that is a definite problem...

Now I may be treading on thin ice but I despised Devdas....Besides the aesthetic values I found nothing worth redeeming in this movie. I have no idea why it was so popular and so loved. A rich pretty boy drinks himself to death because he fucked up and let go of his love (and his love just happened to be one the most beautiful woman alive)...boo fucking hoo..I feel terrible for him. The asshole deserved to die and he does...haha, story over.

one of the biggest marketin stunts for devdas was that it was the most expensive film ever made in bollywood... the story is quite an old folktale... there are couplea things that i liked about the movie... some of the dialogue in hindi was really good... there is no definite time frame when this story occured.. so i dunno if the sets were elaborate and opulent due to historical reasons or just cuz they wanted it to look that way... the movie was mediocre... nothing too special... the only reason it was so popular was due to the star cast... havin shahrukh khan, aishwarya and madhuri dixit in one movie... it was kinda like puttin a very famous established actress pretty much on the verge of retirement and a new upcoming actress together... soundtrack was alright...

ohh... and aishwarya rai is just an overrated actress.... people give her mad props cuz she was miss world... and i do agree with you sarge, urmila is probably the most versatile actress right now... i've always liked her... Ram Gopal Verma hasn't done anything lately that has caught my attention... he usually puts out really good movies...

ur replies are reflecting ur hidden afraid and undisputed love for hollywood , u are not ready to accept that there is bollywood which attracts .5 billion people more than than hollywood , u r not ready to accept that urs taste is not the taste of eastern world, south asia , china and africa , u r not ready to accept that increase of bollywood share means decrease of hollywood share .

.....AGAIN, its as simple as that when 75% loves bollywood....who cares for 25% like u?
i love hollywood , but bollywood is best . :m:

ur replies are reflecting ur hidden afraid and undisputed love for hollywood

my undisputed love is for good film making.. not just in bollywood or hollywood.. and there are tons of other countries that make good films besides india and the US... have you ever watched any films made by south american, french, spanish, kiwi etc etc film makers? if you did, then you would know that there is a huge diversity of film making besides hollywood and bollywood... open up your eyes...

u are not ready to accept that there is bollywood which attracts .5 billion people more than than hollywood ,

i'll say this again... i dont care how many ppl watch a certain genre of films.. just cuz so many ppl watch these films doesn't equate to the fact that they are all good films...

u r not ready to accept that urs taste is not the taste of eastern world, south asia , china and africa

again.. my taste is for good film making.. i've posted what bollywood films i've liked... you dont even know what my taste for films is... don't make assumptions... how many chinese films have you watched? how many thai films have you watched? how many japanese films have you watched? have you seen any vietnamese films? i like eastern films.. good eastern films... speakin of bollywood, have you even seen bandit queen?

u r not ready to accept that increase of bollywood share means decrease of hollywood share

ummm... u just dont get it do you? i dont care if the share for bollywood was 99% to hollywood... numbers dont mean anything when you're discussin a very subjective matter...

Ok I've gotta ask. . . Bolly-what now? I've never heard of any of this.

Ok I've gotta ask. . . Bolly-what now? I've never heard of any of this.


It is now the world's largest film industry residing in India. It produces, on average, about 900-1000 films a year, of which 700-999 are passable and forgettble junk.

It is big by sheer volume only, it has no influence around the world in cinema....it is only ahead in sheer numbers, nothing else.

Bollywood: the all-time height of kitsch, shrillness and overall mindnumbing cornyness.

You gotta love it.

I've noticed that the supporting actors in bollywood, the ones who get the bit parts aren't too bad. It's the 'superstars' who can't act a lick.
Mindless melodrama.

AIRAVATA...i know who are U and what is ur identity, this is not political or religious forum , so i will not speak.

Oh shit :rolleyes:

TO AIRAVATA and SARGENTLARD.......

I expect this from u mindless, mannerless , emotionless creatures living in an illusionary world created by u and ur mind.....its a wastage of time and morals in disscussing with creatures like u...

tell me anywhere i used any moralless words for those 25% people who love hollywood...? but mannersless creature like u are continusely using bad words for 75% people who love bollywood...

when u abuse eastern cinima , it should be in ur mind , it is loved by 75% of people on earth and 60% share in worlds cinima....

just because ur taste is different from taste of majourity of cinima viewers...u will abuse that cinima and people.

there is a difference between abusing and disscussing , u illetrate

as i said before both bollywood and hollywood are completely different...where bollywood is based on emotions , love , family bondings , songs .. hollywood is based on action and fiction.

hence , those who like them have completely different tastes...and there is no right for one medium lover to abuse other....ofcourse there is a space for disscussion.

its better for both of u (AIRAVATA and SARGENTLARD) make a new forum ..name it-"we are abusers" , and remain there....
UR THIS STEP WILL HELP IN THE CLEANNESS OF OTHER FORUMS.

i love hollywood but BOLLYWOOD IS BEST. :m:

you dont get it do you sharma?

there is a difference between abusing and disscussing , u illetrate

You are the only illiterate in this thread you gibbering monkey.

AIRAVATA......if i am monkey , then u are a poisonous snake , who only knows biting.

Ok
agreed that our movies are not as good as hollywood, because we copy many themes.

But what about music???

I like desi music much better
How about you
the setting, the music?????

But what about music???

It actually manages to be worse than the movies themselves.

I like desi music much better
How about you

Despise it...no subtlety in lyrics, no real emotion, no one playing instruments, no creativity, no real good voices (gone are the days of Kumar Sanu....*sigh*)

the setting

The setting...what settings?...all songs take place in 3 typical enviroments.

1) A Ski Lodge in Switzerland
2) In grassy valleys in Switzerland
3) A beach in Goa.

Thats it....there are no other settings. Switzerland even gave India a fucking honorary medal for running their economy with shitty music videos shot up there.


With that said; A.R Rahman derserves a medal of honor for some sort....just look a tthe msuic is Satthiya, Dil Se, and the current Swades.....brilliant man.

hey rahul,
chod naa yaar.kiske saath debate kar raha hey.hum jaante hey bollywood kya hey.we dont need to compare with hollywood.both represent diffrent culuture.you dont need to tell what bollywood is.sensible people know better.

sensible people know better.

1) Yeah, to avoid that shit.

2) By reading his posts he is anything but sensible.

1) A Ski Lodge in Switzerland
2) In grassy valleys in Switzerland
3) A beach in Goa.

you forgot one more...

4) cheesy nightclubs

Thank you...lately there has been a pouring of songs taking place in cheesy night clubs, where everyone just seems to know the dance routine that will take place.

It is funny how so many of this songs involve an uptight girl losing her inhibitions and just dancing her dirty heart out...

So very true. I come from South India. The Plot of every movie is the same.
1.Guy falls in love with girl.
2.Girl doesn't notice the guy.
3.Guy tries everything to get the girl.
4.Bad guy comes in from nowhere.
5.The good guy and the bad guy starts fight.
6.Girl and Guy fall in love at the end.
If you have seen one movie then you seen 'em all.
Gave up on Indian movies.

So very true. I come from South India. The Plot of every movie is the same.
1.Guy falls in love with girl.
2.Girl doesn't notice the guy.
3.Guy tries everything to get the girl.
4.Bad guy comes in from nowhere.
5.The good guy and the bad guy starts fight.
6.Girl and Guy fall in love at the end.
If you have seen one movie then you seen 'em all.
Gave up on Indian movies.

I think that's a gross generalisation. Ok, maybe 90% of the Bollywood and Tamil movies are like that (don't know about toher languages) but there are some great movies. Usually, Mani Ratnam movies are great!

I think that's a gross generalisation.

Ok, maybe 90% of the Bollywood and Tamil movies are like that

Then it isn't so gross is it?

A short curve: Bollywood will gain viewers in the USA as numbers of Indians here skyrockets, then will begin failing it as the next generation no longer have a clear ethnic identity. It will then be absorbed by Hollywood.

:m:

Ok, maybe 90% of the Bollywood and Tamil movies are like that

90% of Hollywood follows the same rough formula, except it's not guy-versus-guy but guy-against-world.

BY THE WAY, if this is a canadien website then this discussion is useless. Just like everything else, canadiens are also thinking that hollywood is theirs. It belongs to america not canada. Why man these canadiens do nothing and think that everything american is theirs. to make it worse at the end of the day they say that US sucks.

Who here is talking that Bollywood is not believable. You want me to believe in Matrix, or Spiderman, or Lord of the rings, which is a complete grade 4 story. Except that there is a stick instead of ring. "Lord of the sticks", Ya the title might not have suited well that is why the ring was replaced. If bollywood is popular its no one's fault. Its the talent and skill of actors. May be people like watching some of hollywood's stories acted by bollywood actors just because they look better, act realisticly and sound real. Many of the action flicks taken in hollywood are tae kwondo, Hap ki do or Judo, now isn't this asian.
Certified go to a psychologist. Watch bollywood movies first. Its like saying exactly what android said. If bollywood movies are all about what u said then hollywood movies are same crap of a guy vs the whole world.
A.R Rehman is a genius. He is a legend. He has gotten national award too. I don't doubt his talent at all.
As far as airavata is concerned, man u call others illetrate. Please go and have a look at urself. U need a treatment really bad.
If there are any people that are born to Indian families who have went against their own culture, put one thing in ur head. Indians ur not, white u cannot be. So who ru?? where do u belong. U people really need to think that before u say anything else.
Aishwarya Rai is the most beautiful women in the world. :)
So hollywood might be an industry in a part of the world, but Bollywood Rules.

If there are any people that are born to Indian families who have went against their own culture, put one thing in ur head. Indians ur not, white u cannot be. So who ru?? where do u belong. U people really need to think that before u say anything else.

You seem to think that being Indian means supporting everything and everyone that is Indian, regardless of their talent. I don't support some crappy industry which makes crap movies just because it happens to be Indian. There's a difference between patriotism and ethnocentricism.
Thinking that Bollywood is crap and not watching most of it's movies is not going against Indian culture. You seem to be saying that Bollywood is 'culture'. If you classify Bollywood as 'culture', you need to be lobotomized rahul sharma.

You seem to think that being Indian means supporting everything and everyone that is Indian, regardless of their talent. I don't support some crappy industry which makes crap movies just because it happens to be Indian. There's a difference between patriotism and ethnocentricism.
Thinking that Bollywood is crap and not watching most of it's movies is not going against Indian culture. You seem to be saying that Bollywood is 'culture'. If you classify Bollywood as 'culture', you need to be lobotomized rahul sharma.

Bollywood culture influences hundreds of millions of Indians, young and old - so yes, it is indeed a culture, whether you like that culture or not is moot.

I don't much care for it either (or Hollywood for that matter), but I recognise media power when I see it.

Jaybee.