Is body language a sure and reliable way to read people?

E.g., can a girl know for sure whether or not a guy wants to be her boyfriend without him telling her? What are the signals that a boy likes a girl?

...or vice versa...

What are the signals that a boy likes a girl?
Check his pants for abnormal swelling.
...or vice versa...
Science hasn't solved this great mystery yet, and probably never will.

Is body language a sure and reliable way to read people?

E.g., can a girl know for sure whether or not a guy wants to be her boyfriend without him telling her? What are the signals that a boy likes a girl?

...or vice versa...

his eyes will divert from lips to neck to lips
his feet will be directed towards her not away
his body proximity to hers will be smaller than with other girls
blushing
fumbling words
he'll ask you out
he will engage in personal grooming while talking to her, touching his ears
He may adopt a manly masculine pose

He may feign disinterest but will become interested if you become disinterested

depending on age he may pull your pig tails ;)

funny link

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=639691&lastnode_id=0

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Badboy1.html

USEFUL link

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/body_language.htm

DATING LINK
http://www.mydearvalentine.com/body-language/reading-body-language.html

"Tips for Reading Body Language

If the person in front of you makes a direct eye contact with you then the reading of the body language would tell you that he/she is interested in you. In most cases, this gesture even signifies the person’s liking for you.

If you find the person looking at you with smiling and shining eyes, then the reading suggests that the person is very much comfortable in your company.

Eyebrow is another essential feature of the body language, which can help you in reading the unconscious mind of the other person. If the person has relaxed eyebrow, then it symbolizes his or her high comfortable level with you.

If the other person makes less or simply no eye contact with you then it simply implies that either the person is lying or is simply uninterested. This sort of eye contact can also represent distraction or uncomfortable level of the person.

If you by any chance find tension in eyebrows of the other person then it is clear that either the person is confused, fearful or tensed. In such situations, it sometimes becomes difficult for the person to express his/her feelings. Thus, you can definitely help the person if you are able to read the body language of the other person.

Facial gestures are also known to play key role in reading of the body language. Mouth forms a major part of facial gestures and if you find upward turns in the mouth's corner then it simply signifies person happiness in your company.

While on the other hand, if you find that the person has flat lines or the turns of his mouth's corner are in the downward direction then it is much better to avoid the person, as he/she is obviously not interested in you.

If a person having the conversation with you has his or her shoulders hunched forward then the reading of the body language suggests that he or she has a lack of interest in the conversation or even in you.

In case, a person is anxious about something or someone then his or her body language will be stiff.

A person with crossed arms symbolizes his or her cold feeling or defensive mechanism towards you.

If the person involved in the conversation with you is leaning towards you then the reading of the body language simply implies that he or she is fully interested in you and what you are saying.

If the person has intertwined his fingers and has positioned them behind the head and his elbows are left open with exposed armpits, then it implies that he/she is ready to accept your ideas and is fully agreeable and comfortable in your company.

If you find that the person has crossed legs and from time to time is bouncing on each other, then the body language signifies that the person is highly anxious ................."


etc etc

I always look for the hair flicking and the feet pointing towards you especially cross legged. Classic 'I want you! ' body language.

He may feign disinterest but will become interested if you become disinterested
Girls, meanwhile, will become disinterested the moment you become interested. So, if you're a boy, try not to show that you are interested. This will keep her interested. ;)

<s>And if that doesn't work try grabbing her breasts.</s>

@Theoryofrelativity: KUUUUUDOS!!!! Thanks, very helpful info.

LOL @redarmy11

@Theoryofrelativity: KUUUUUDOS!!!! Thanks, very helpful info.


you are welcome, the last link is the best and most relevant. although a tad waffly

men aren't very subtle really, so if you think he's interested then he probably is!

Yes. Body language is not only effective to read people, but it is more so. You can tell a lot more about someone about from the way they move than from what they say (except how they say it).

Hey Sanodz,

I hope all is going well with you

Please explain this moving thing further??

thanks mate
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take care
zak

Girls, meanwhile, will become disinterested the moment you become interested. So, if you're a boy, try not to show that you are interested. This will keep her interested. ;)

<s>And if that doesn't work try grabbing her breasts.</s>

I'm fond of the two finger test.
While you're talking to her, you slide to fingers into her panties and check if she's wet.

Make sure you sniff your fingers after you pull them back out, though. Otherwise it's not considered polite.

Is body language a sure and reliable way to read people?[/B]

YES. Body language accounts for 85% of communication.

Please explain this moving thing further??Sure.

E.g. two guys sitting on chairs. One is upright, his shirt is buttoned up, his back doesn't touch the back of the chair, and he has his hands in his lap. The other is laid back, legs crossed, and has his elbow on the back of the chair next to his.

Don't tell me you can't tell what these guys' personalities are. The way you shake a hand, the way you respond to a glance, the way you sit -- especially the way you sit --, all that shit says a lot about the kind of person you are. Everything, maybe.

YES. Body language accounts for 85% of communication.Well... 75% of communication is non-verbal. But that includes the non-linguistic attributes of speech, such as speed, pitch, volume and more complicated modulations and combinations thereof. I haven't seen the breakdown but I'd suspect that out of that 75% only 25% is the actual "body" language.

Con men, detectives, salesmen, psychologists, etc. train to read our body language. They have their own vocabulary for describing it. I've heard that American men have about 75 "tells"--movements or positions of body parts that give away what we're feeling. American women have about 120.

And those same people likewise train to lie with their own body language.

Is body language a sure and reliable way to read people?

E.g., can a girl know for sure whether or not a guy wants to be her boyfriend without him telling her? What are the signals that a boy likes a girl?

...or vice versa...

True, but a guy can also know the same from a girl.

The question is, all body language is projection, how much of it is real and how much of it is just tricks?

Sure.

E.g. two guys sitting on chairs. One is upright, his shirt is buttoned up, his back doesn't touch the back of the chair, and he has his hands in his lap. The other is laid back, legs crossed, and has his elbow on the back of the chair next to his.

Don't tell me you can't tell what these guys' personalities are. The way you shake a hand, the way you respond to a glance, the way you sit -- especially the way you sit --, all that shit says a lot about the kind of person you are. Everything, maybe.


Complete bullshit.
What you don't understand, is that some of the people you deal with don't display their real body language anyway.

So yes, body lanugage can lie, be masked, or just be hidden, finally some body language is so unusual that it's a language that is undefinable.

Complete bullshit.
What you don't understand, is that some of the people you deal with don't display their real body language anyway.

So yes, body lanugage can lie, be masked, or just be hidden, finally some body language is so unusual that it's a language that is undefinable.

For some reason this post cracks me the hell up. lol. Jesus Christ. TT, you're too much.

Is body language a sure and reliable way to read people?

E.g., can a girl know for sure whether or not a guy wants to be her boyfriend without him telling her? What are the signals that a boy likes a girl?

...or vice versa...

not unless one knows the body language techniques...I for one thing, totally ignore it.

Complete bullshit.
What you don't understand, is that some of the people you deal with don't display their real body language anyway.That's not possible over the long run. No-one can pay attention consistently to every bit of how they move, not for more than two minutes. And even if they do pay attention, chances are it shows, and that's a tell too.

But thanks for letting me know what I think is complete bullshit.

Mouth forms a major part of facial gestures and if you find upward turns in the mouth's corner then it simply signifies person happiness in your company.
On Earth we call this a s-m-i-l-e.
Eyebrow is another essential feature of the body language, which can help you in reading the unconscious mind of the other person. If the person has relaxed eyebrow, then it symbolizes his or her high comfortable level with you.
I'm intrigued about the eyebrow thing. I mean, what's that all about? I suppose that must be a defensive thing - the eyebrows are tense because the eyes are wide (to take in more light) and the body geared for self-defense. Like when a cat encounters a stranger, yes?

That's not possible over the long run. No-one can pay attention consistently to every bit of how they move, not for more than two minutes. And even if they do pay attention, chances are it shows, and that's a tell too.

But thanks for letting me know what I think is complete bullshit.


Meet me in person, you'd think I was an alien. My body language is 100% unreadable. The only time it's readable is when I mirror, or when I want it to be readable. This is not to say that I have no body language, I'm just saying it will take you a long while before you recognize any pattern because I have my own language.

Basically, I don't let people read me. It's very much like poker, if you play poker, you have body language but it's all scripted and fake. It's like being a politician, when you give a speech your body language is pre-planned or designed to capture the audience.

I'm saying your idea that body language is always unconscious is bullshit, because some people don't follow the rules. Which leads me to the point again, if you were to meet me in person, you'd find me 100% unreadable, at least until you know me well enough to crack the code, and that could take weeks, and this is assuming I allow you to know and don't toy around with the fact that your attention is on my body language by constantly changing my body language, or by mirroring, or by simply masking different moods in different body language than the defaults.


So you are right, everyone has body language but not everyones body language is readable, and because it's not always readable, it's not a real form of communication unless it's honest. I basically consider body language to be acting, meaning not real, meaning fake, meaning something to be used by charismatic charmers, politicians, salesmen, and people of this sort to make people pay more attention to their hand movements and gestures than what they are saying.

When you watch a politician, watch carefully at the hand gestures, they all mean something to the subconscious, and there are patterns in the gestures if you pay close attention to them. Watch carefully at the stances that rappers display when giving interviews, or telling stories, then watch the different types of handshakes, and then finally, when a man is talking to you, focus in on his hands and all the weird movements while he daazles and confuses you with weird body language which does not make sense, and then while you are wasting your time trying to interpret it, you likely won't even remember whats being said.

The mind works in such a way, that people can use body language as a trap. Sometimes it means what it means, other times it means the exact opposite.

An example, some people when pissed off smile and laugh, another person might display the default aggressive body language, another person might get defensive, and a person might display all of these when they are feeling completely neutral. So you see, it's only useful to track body language with certain people. I'm not really one of those people, trust me, people have tried and not a single person has been able to successfully read my mood.

It's to my advantage because most of the time I can read theirs.

Sure.

E.g. two guys sitting on chairs. One is upright, his shirt is buttoned up, his back doesn't touch the back of the chair, and he has his hands in his lap. The other is laid back, legs crossed, and has his elbow on the back of the chair next to his.

Don't tell me you can't tell what these guys' personalities are. The way you shake a hand, the way you respond to a glance, the way you sit -- especially the way you sit --, all that shit says a lot about the kind of person you are. Everything, maybe.

Hi sandoz

thank you for your comments

What if the guy is putting it on??? how would you know that???

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take care
zak

By the way, don't be insulted.
I'm just trying to explain that some people have cryto-language, a type of body language which is different from the defaults in such a way, that only people who know them well have any clue.

The benefit to this is that, it's both a defense mechanism against people you don't know, it's also something which can be used to cause confusion, in such a way that you can direct their attention.

Women do this sorta thing with the body language, they track a mans eyes, right? Men who know women track a mans eyes, can look right through the person which you can call the intense gaze, this often confuses people, or not give them any eye contact at all, or apply their eyes to unusual places on the body, or objects on the wall, or anything else unexpected.

The more you focus on a persons body language the more control they have over what you are paying attention to. Just like if I track you with my eyes, you'll gain some control over me by following my eyes, correct?

Once you know this, you also know that confusion also very simple, just apply new types of eye contact they've never seen before, or rarely seen, and keep changing every few minutes, one moment you look into their eyes, the next at their hair, the next at the wall, the next right through them, the next at their shoulder, the next at their hands, the next to your left side, basically you have completely control to pay as much or as little attention to them as possible, and to whatever part of them as possible, and if they demand you look them straight in the eye, you can just say no.

Once again, I hope this explains, body language is only readable if you speak in a language they are prepared to understand, if your language is just over the top or just so weird that it's undefined, they'll react with uttery confusion if you apply it in one way, fear if it's applied in another, or they'll think you are just plan odd and eccentric if applied in another.

Take for example the Bill Gates rocking body language, this is body language popular among geeks and computer programmers, nerds, chess players and the like, but to the general public, rocking is considered just plain strange.

Another example, rubbing your knees or twisting your arms, this language would seem plain strange.

Another example, sitting with or standing with closed fists, this may seem aggressive, right? Unless you open and close your fists, over and over and then it becomes more difficult to interpret.

There you have it, it's impossible to read body language because theres an unlimited amount of body movements. It's like a language with unlimited words to choose from and no pattern unless you choose to follow it. It's equal to one person saying eorkoewk erwwooo reeek preee in sound and expecting you to interpret it, and then having them say it's Klingon or something. You'll never really figure it out unless they allow you to know.

Hi sandoz

thank you for your comments

What if the guy is putting it on??? how would you know that???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
take care
zak

That's just it, a handshake can say anything or nothing about a personality. It's kinda funny to judge a person by a handshake, otherwise you'd be able to figure out someones IQ by their body language and handshake, which you can't.

I've had people try and read me and think I was bored when I wasnt. I've had people think I was nervous when I was calm. I've had people think I was unhappy when I was happy. Ultimately, people think whatever they want to think, or whatever you want them to think, based on which body language you apply to which person.

If you know someone will judge your entire personality by your handshake, you can go into politician mode, stare then straight in the eye as intensely as you can, give them a firm handshake, and hold onto the grip until they let go first, to express your dominance over them. Or you can give the passive handshake, but what difference does it make if both arent real? What if your real attitude towards them is complete indifference and the whole thing is just an act?

How many people do you meet every day who you shake hands with? Do you really care what any of them think of your handshake? If you did care, you could always give them one of the new handshakes they don't know and switch the whole thing around so they can't read it. You can call it the new handshake, most people accept anything thats considered new if it looks similar enough to the old handshake.

Let's also remember, theres like thousands of secret handshakes, so saying you can know everything about a person by a handshake, well sure if it's a secret handshake, but if it's a regular handshake no, it's just a handshake.

I never said that reading body language is easy. The fact that your friends cannot read you is not conclusive. My doorman cannot do quantum mechanics -- it doesn't mean quantum mechanics aren't a legitimate field. (I'm not saying reading people is as hard or as precise as quantum mechanics -- just making an example)

In fact, I would say your friends had the most common flaw when trying to read someone -- projecting their own feelings on the other person. An early 20th century Russian filmmaker made a historic film where he spliced in a closeup of an actor with various images. When the closeup came after an image of conflict, he looked angry, when it came after an image of a sunny meadow he looked content, etc. Even though it was always the same closeup. This isn't because faces say nothing about what someone feels. It is because people project what they feel onto other people. It's a natural impulse. But if you want to read people correctly, you need to be aware of it and fight it.

As with everything else, you also need to practice. Most people are self-centered (again this is natural), and they don't really pay attention to what people say and do. You have to make a conscious and constant effort to observe people's behaviour and learn from it. You have to keep an open mind, not project your emotions, not jump to conclusions, but learn progressively what people do.

There's not a lot you can tell from a handshake (though there's some), but you can definitely tell someone's IQ from looking in their eyes and watching their behavior.

:) Out of interest, what body language would you say you are presenting in your avatar?

:) Out of interest, what body language would you say you are presenting in your avatar?

"give it to me babe...hard"....thats what you and sandoz are presenting...

"give it to me babe...hard"....thats what you and sandoz are presenting...
'Fraid not.

imaplanck's says: "Birds are top".

sandoz's says: "Men are stupid".

The weird thing is: they're both right.

I never said that reading body language is easy. The fact that your friends cannot read you is not conclusive. My doorman cannot do quantum mechanics -- it doesn't mean quantum mechanics aren't a legitimate field. (I'm not saying reading people is as hard or as precise as quantum mechanics -- just making an example)

I never specifically said my friends. Given enough time, my friends will decode my body language. I'm saying the well trained body language reader types, or people who actively practice it, are less likely to be able to read me. I'm basically saying that no one is able to read me after first meeting me no matter how well they have been trained or what they have been taught. I simply don't project my thoughts into my body language so they'd end up reading nonsense most of the time, or reading what they want to read. There are ways to get to know me, but it's not going to be from body language is all I'm saying.

In fact, I would say your friends had the most common flaw when trying to read someone -- projecting their own feelings on the other person. An early 20th century Russian filmmaker made a historic film where he spliced in a closeup of an actor with various images. When the closeup came after an image of conflict, he looked angry, when it came after an image of a sunny meadow he looked content, etc. Even though it was always the same closeup. This isn't because faces say nothing about what someone feels. It is because people project what they feel onto other people. It's a natural impulse. But if you want to read people correctly, you need to be aware of it and fight it.


Once again you are assuming everyone speaks the same language. Yes I have body language, I just don't speak common language usually.


As with everything else, you also need to practice. Most people are self-centered (again this is natural), and they don't really pay attention to what people say and do. You have to make a conscious and constant effort to observe people's behaviour and learn from it. You have to keep an open mind, not project your emotions, not jump to conclusions, but learn progressively what people do.

I'm definately not most people, you'll see that much by my posts. So I'm not going to relate to most people and their self centeredness. Your profile says you are self centered, automatically I know we will not relate well, based on the choice of words you use, and the phrases you post about. I could be wrong about you, but the reason I have such unusual body language is because I don't have the same sense of self that most people have, so you are onto something when you say most people are self centered, but you also have people who have a more collective sense of self, or who have no self at all. If there is no self, the point of view that you have is that the external world is the fake existance, the physical world is the fake existance, the solid world is the illusion, the real world is the mind, the subconscious. In this situation yes you'd study everyone, and thats what I do, but I don't project my emotions, or my thoughts, or my body language until I decide to attempt to connect with them as a person.

Basically, some people are naturally extroverts, naturally social, self centered, and they have a specific personality type which makes it so they naturally project all their thoughts, they simply cannot live any other way. Then you have people who internalize their thoughts and feelings, they assume that the outside world is all fake, that all the expressions are fake and just acts, and that no one cares or wants to know how they feel or what they think, unless to exploit their feelings or thoughts.

So you have different personality types. Body language is a form of communication, which most people don't pay attention to, because most people are not fully aware of the subconscious world, or pay attention to details. This can change in some people because over time, people actually can study people, and once people change how they view the external world, it changes the nature of communication itself. So while I like body language, facial expressions, words, gestures, I also know these things can be just as easily faked as anything else. People can lie, and people have different inner natures, and only the inner world is real, the external world is filled with deception and illusion. Many smiles will be fake, many handshakes fake, many hugs fake, many kisses fake, many laughs fake, and many gestures fake, and the only way to know the difference between real and fake, is experience with that individual. You need to know who they really are before you can take their word seriously, their gestures seriously, their hugs seriously, or any other expression they have towards you. You won't know who they really are when you first meet them so the first meeting of anyone is like poker, you both have cards, and you see who breaks or who tells first.

There's not a lot you can tell from a handshake (though there's some), but you can definitely tell someone's IQ from looking in their eyes and watching their behavior.

I disagree, this is as silly as believing you can tell a persons IQ by their skin color, or eye color. I don't think you can tell a persons IQ by anything remotely related to appearances. I do think you can tell a persons IQ by their behavior, but behavior has nothing to do with appearance, as behavior is energy transfer, a blind person who cannot see can experience an asshole just as easily as a deaf person, or a deaf and blind person. The key is that the asshole has bad energy regardless of how good or bad your external perception is, they project negative energy, constantly, you cannot discover this by shaking someones hand, if it were really THAT simple, we'd have no crime on earth, no rapes, no violence, everyone would instantly recognize all their best friends before ever saying a word to them.

I just don't think it works that way, I don't think it's THAT easy. I think it takes some time, I do think you can learn a lot about a person from a handshake, or a hug, or from body language, but not from these things alone. You have to actually talk to the person, you have to really be able to decode them, understand how they view the world, how they feel, and this is if they are willing to be honest and tell you, if they arent then you have to basically experience them over a period of time.

The point I'm making is, there is no simple way to instantly know intelligence. You can watch a persons eyes and know a person is in deep thought, sure, but you don't know if it's intelligent thoughts or stupid thoughts. You can't figure out what a person is thinking just by looking into their eyes.

I wish it were that simple, but I've had enough experience to know that it's never been possible to at a glance read a person who truly does not want to be read. It totally depends on a lot of variables, an honest person who has a reputation for honesty, you can take their body language a lot more seriously than a person who has a reputation for being a liar. A liar, a player, a con artist, or any of these types of people, they are professional actors and actresses, they basically switch roles all day depending on who they are around, they have no real persona of their own, they simply adopt the persona of whoever they are around, moment to moment, always wearing the mask.

If you'd like to debate it further we can, but I've seen these sorts of people, these people who have the flashy charisma, the most harmless looks and appearances, yet also being the most dangerous of dangerous because of it. People actually use body language and charisma to mask themselves, as a form of stealth. If you are street smart, one of the first things you learn is that most con artists are brilliant at making people think they are intelligent, or think they are this or that, even when theres no proof.

Always search for proof, if there is proof, evidence, then you can believe it because it's grounded. If it's just because of some hand gestures and tones of voice and flashy movements, thats charm, and any guy or girl who has experienced being seduced knows what it is and how it works.

"give it to me babe...hard"....thats what you and sandoz are presenting...


Sandoz is smart, her avatar attacks the subconscious, it's to make guys think "I want her". I think it would work on guys who view her in the objectifed way, I'm more interested in her mind at the moment.

She seems intelligent, also she is willing to debate me and that is attractive, it shows she has a strong mind and will defend her views even if I disagree with her. GOOD SIGN.

A bad sign is when a person will pretend to share your views when they know they disagree. A bad sign is when a person would rather be polite and lie themselves into a box, rather than be rude and honest and have total freedom.

I don't look for body language, I actually analyze everything a person does, every action, every word, every thought they project, subconscious or conscious, everything. In a way you can feel a person, there are ways, I just am skeptical about it being instant. I'm able to read many of the people on this forum but only because a lot of people on this forum are completely honest with what they think.

Out of interest, what body language would you say you are presenting in your avatar?

Just tell the girl that you want her, and find out if she is single. Go ahead, be brave enough to be your true self.

Just so you know: I'm not reading all that stuff.

Just so you know: I'm not reading all that stuff.

not even this bit?

Sandoz is smart,


I'm more interested in her mind at the moment.

She seems intelligent, also she is willing to debate me and that is attractive, it shows she has a strong mind and will defend her views even if I disagree with her. GOOD SIGN.

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not even this bit?

shhh don't highlight my comments, highlight that other dude who was flirting with her body. I'm trying not to project my thoughts.

Ok, that stuff is nice. ;)

Thanks for pointing it out.

And thank you TimeTraveler for telling me I'm smart, though I already knew it.

shhh don't highlight my comments, highlight that other dude who was flirting with her body. I'm trying not to project my thoughts.


lol

you are flirting but trying to appeal to her intellect and get in that way....

cunning

Sandoz is smart, her avatar attacks the subconscious, it's to make guys think "I want her". I think it would work on guys who view her in the objectifed way, I'm more interested in her mind at the moment.

She seems intelligent, also she is willing to debate me and that is attractive, it shows she has a strong mind and will defend her views even if I disagree with her. GOOD SIGN.

A bad sign is when a person will pretend to share your views when they know they disagree. A bad sign is when a person would rather be polite and lie themselves into a box, rather than be rude and honest and have total freedom.

I don't look for body language, I actually analyze everything a person does, every action, every word, every thought they project, subconscious or conscious, everything. In a way you can feel a person, there are ways, I just am skeptical about it being instant. I'm able to read many of the people on this forum but only because a lot of people on this forum are completely honest with what they think.



Just tell the girl that you want her, and find out if she is single. Go ahead, be brave enough to be your true self.

ohhh...how was he wrong...when underneath that covert shaped by sweet words figurine emerged a haired goblin with a razor sharp long nails that came upon the victim, early bird to hatch...oh such romantic was he...he fell into the arms of culprit...the evil scheme behind the sweet desire on a picture so attractive.!:D :cool:
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ohhh...how was he wrong...when underneath that covert shaped by sweet words figurine emerged a haired goblin with a razor sharp long nails that came upon the victim, early bird to hatch...oh such romantic was he...he fell into the arms of culprit...the evil scheme behind the sweet desire on a picture so attractive.!:D :cool:

Okay shakespeare, what are you trying to say?

All I'm saying is, and to be blunt about it, her mind is attractive.

Bodies come and go, and grow old and decay. Her mind is her body, maybe the brain part but still, the most important part. If someone has a brain that I can't get along with, it's not going to matter what the rest of their body is like.

Now, if you say she is a goblin, well, if she thinks like a goblin, then I'll agree with you. So far though she has proven herself to be honest, her profile defines her mind accurately.

Okay shakespeare, what are you trying to say?

All I'm saying is, and to be blunt about it, her mind is attractive.

Bodies come and go, and grow old and decay. Her mind is her body, maybe the brain part but still, the most important part. If someone has a brain that I can't get along with, it's not going to matter what the rest of their body is like.

didn't you have a thread a while back that said that having sex with ugly people was bad for the population and future of mankind?

didn't you have a thread a while back that said that having sex with ugly people was bad for the population and future of mankind?

hehehe....busted!

lol

you are flirting but trying to appeal to her intellect and get in that way....

cunning

I'm an intellectual. I've never said that I don't flirt, I do, but I don't do so in the usual way, and not for the usual reasons.

didn't you have a thread a while back that said that having sex with ugly people was bad for the population and future of mankind?

Ugly people? That depends on how you define beauty and ugly. Obviously, if our species acts ugly, we must have ugly sex am I right?

Ask some of the animals we have extincted, well, I guess you can't ask them now, but if you could communicate with the dead, ask some of these dead species just how ugly humans are and see what responses you'd get. Maybe you interpreted my previous posts from the wrong perspective. I'm not a hardcore materialist, I believe in genetics, sure, but my concept of beauty has little to do with a persons body and more to do with how a persons behavior is towards themselves and others. If you want to be beauty, act beautiful, do beautiful things, and not superficial beauty, but actually have a beautiful mind, and a beautiful heart, and it's extremely rare for people to have either of these things but thats all that matters.

On the other hand, some humans are VERY VERY beautiful, so it's not like all humans are ugly, and really, I don't think I'm qualified to decide for everyone else what beauty or ugly is. All I can say is, I know what it is for me, and I know that humans so far have not done a good job selecting mates, the results speak for themselves, just look at the past, present and future and see.

I'm an intellectual. I've never said that I don't flirt, I do, but I don't do so in the usual way, and not for the usual reasons.

pah,

contradicting yourself again :)

what were you saying about people saying things to placate/impress others rather than being honest?

How about instead of platitudes you do what the rest of the guys do and a/s/l that would be more honest and open an approach yes?

Ugly people? That depends on how you define beauty and ugly. Obviously, if our species acts ugly, we must have ugly sex am I right?

Ask some of the animals we have extincted, well, I guess you can't ask them now, but if you could communicate with the dead, ask some of these dead species just how ugly humans are and see what responses you'd get.

On the other hand, some humans are VERY VERY beautiful, so it's not like all humans are ugly, and really, I don't think I'm qualified to decide for everyone else what beauty or ugly is. All I can say is, I know what it is for me, and I know that humans so far have not done a good job selecting mates, the results speak for themselves, just look at the past, present and future and see.

Tsk tsk, how the mighty fall. Sandoz what have you done to TT he's all puffed up like a peacock, strutting all over and tripping over his cock, er pea hen, er..............

anyway as fun as this all is, and it is, I'm off to bed. Have fun

just as it was getting interesting too! Bloody quiet here all night, now we have a bit of drama and romance and the inevitable soap and it's bed time.

pah,

contradicting yourself again :)

what were you saying about people saying things to placate/impress others rather than being honest?

How about instead of platitudes you do what the rest of the guys do and a/s/l that would be more honest and open an approach yes?


Actually I was being honest. I meant what I said.

Who says flirting has to be dishonest or involve deception and lies?

Once again you are interpreting me 100% from the wrong direction. My perception does not work in that way. I don't know what the other guys are doing, thats not my business and it's not me, why bring groups into a 1 on 1 debate with me?

My perspective is really simple, if I like a persons mind, I'm honest about it. I like your mind too by the way. It's not dishonest to say that if it's true.

Tsk tsk, how the mighty fall. Sandoz what have you done to TT he's all puffed up like a peacock, strutting all over and tripping over his cock, er pea hen, er..............It's the avatar.

It's evil.

Tsk tsk, how the mighty fall. Sandoz what have you done to TT he's all puffed up like a peacock, strutting all over and tripping over his cock, er pea hen, er..............

anyway as fun as this all is, and it is, I'm off to bed. Have fun

just as it was getting interesting too! Bloody quiet here all night, now we have a bit of drama and romance and the inevitable soap and it's bed time.


I think your goal was to try and trip me up I guess. It's not really going to work because you are trying so hard to trip me up that you are tripping over your shoe laces. That's what usually happens when people try to attack from behind instead of up front.

Nice try though.

Actually I was being honest. I meant what I said.

Who says flirting has to be dishonest or involve deception and lies?

Once again you are interpreting me 100% from the wrong direction. My perception does not work in that way. I don't know what the other guys are doing, thats not my business and it's not me, why bring groups into a 1 on 1 debate with me?

My perspective is really simple, if I like a persons mind, I'm honest about it. I like your mind too by the way. It's not dishonest to say that if it's true.

a wise person once said


Just tell the girl that you want her, and find out if she is single. Go ahead, be brave enough to be your true self.

;)

It's the avatar.

It's evil.

Yes it is the avatar, but it's not your avatar that got my attention, it was the fact that you challenged me to an intellectual discussion and actually did not back down.

It's a known fact, that many intellectual guys LIKE to debate, especially with people who have a different perspective from theirs, and who they can learn from.

a wise person once said


;)

Yeah I was pushing the other guy to prove his manhood because he was drooling all over himself about the avatar.

Someone had to say it, and if it were in person I'd have prolly told them to get a room.

I think your goal was to try and trip me up I guess. It's not really going to work because you are trying so hard to trip me up that you are tripping over your shoe laces. That's what usually happens when people try to attack from behind instead of up front.

Nice try though.

:)

me thinks thou dost protest too much, I always attack from the front!

No intention here to trip you up, just observing a game player making a move is all. Anyway night night

:)

me thinks thou dost protest too much, I always attack from the front!

No intention here to trip you up, just observing a game player making a move is all. Anyway night night

Nice, I'm officially a player now?
What do I win?

Anyway goodnight.

Yeah I was pushing the other guy to prove his manhood because he was drooling all over himself about the avatar.

Someone had to say it, and if it were in person I'd have prolly told them to get a room.

and who might that be?

Shouldnt you be losing a chess game somewhere?

:) Out of interest, what body language would you say you are presenting in your avatar?

This guy. He wants her avatar BAD. In fact, you don't want to know what this guy was thinking, I bet he was animating it in his head.

Shouldnt you be losing a chess game somewhere?

You've been mated in one move.

Shouldnt you be losing a chess game somewhere?

yeah i played absane, he lost, what a looser.

http://home.scarlet.be/~omw/Animation-crying.gif

Aba-Kabuya! Until next time...yeah...Ill beat you someday.