a pic is worth a thousand words:
http://www.smolanim.com/images/sotrue.jpg

here (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1090380214436) is what these "freedom fighters" do.

IDF and some decent "Palestinians" are trying to stop this madness and this (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1090466087097) is what they get in return


Palestinian health and security officials said that a group of Fatah Al Aksa Martyr's Brigades terrorists killed a 15-year-old Palestinian boy Friday morning in the town of Beit Hanun in the northern Gaza Strip after the youth tried to stop them from setting up a Kassam rocket launcher near his family's home
...
In the ensuing scuffle, the terrorists opened fire on the Zanin family, killing Jamil Zanin, 15, and injuring 5 others.



clueless bleeding heart freakazoids do the racist thing and lump all "Palestinians" together, painting them all with one brush.
well you know what, there are simple civilians who have nothing to do with the violence, and there are terrorists who do damage to both sides.

if these terrorists did not have the financial, material, tactical, diplomatic, and media support of many terrorist countries, Arafat, and the indy-media, IDF would not have to defend its mothers, fathers, and children. and poor Jamil Zanin would not have been butchered by "al-Aqsa" terrorist brigades.

This is the nth time you've posted that picture.

http://www.otep.com/warhead/

I love this Video! And yes, im voting for Bush.

lets try to stay on the thread topic people. I think this would a be a good time to argue if Palestinian militia puts its civilians in harms way for media advantage when the civilians die. I know Preacher_X would provide much argument on this.

Didn't you just encourage that hate and racism should be disciplined, Otheadp?

Your bloodthirsty propaganda reveals the lack of wisdom in that encouragement.

WCF and CC (if you're still a mod), please, if you see trolling or or racist or blatantly violating sciforum's rules, don't be linient. if you don't enforce anything people will get a signal it's ok, will get into the habit, and influence others.

(Otheadp, #641512 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=641512))

In the meantime, Otheadp, would support the bulldozing of the Zanin family house?

Tommy Lapid's for being a goddamn hypocrite... and yours for taking his words so seriously.
as i said, it is encouraging that he feels disgust because we are not like them. we have feelings and we feel sadness about what we must do. they don't care. they train their kids to commit suicide.. what does that show you?
and don't get all righteous on me about "us and they". you know who "they" are.
anyway, as i said before, some things need to be done to save Jewish lives. if it means some 'palestinians' will be homeless, so be it! and it is unfortunate, as Lapid said (and as you repeated) and it may remind him the Holocaust or Rwanda or whatever else will come to his mind. there is a difference, and there is a necesity here. if you can't understand that (i know you do) that is one thing.

(Otheadp, #589690 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=589690))

i am glad he has a conscience, but i am upset that he would rather sacrifice Jewish lives than see the attackers, their affiliates, and those who want our destruction, being homeless. we pay for our absolute conscience in blood, my friend. in war both sides kill and do immoral acts (whatever "moral" means).
it is impossible to claim higher moral ground and win. we've been trying to do that for 3.5 years and so far it hasn't worked. i'm getting more and more right-wing as time passes. destroying a few houses is nothing compared to what i'd like to do if the conflict lasts a few more years.

(Otheadp, #590376 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=590376))

i refuse to call terrorists humans and to treat them as i treat non-terrorists.

(Otheadp, #590376)

These were your responses to discussion of the toll against innocent Palestinians. I am happy to see what appears to be your well-timed attitude adjustment in the wake of your self-righteous call to have racism punished. I do hope you continue to build on that momentum.

In the meantime, such is war. 'Tis tragic, indeed, but the silver lining is that maybe some racists who had a hard time separating the innocent from the guilty when they wear Arab skin will be able to make that distinction from now on. And that can only help the dialogue in the long run.

Israel used the same tactics to set up their own state i believe... Didnt object to killing palestinian children, or just arabs as they were then. No one remembers Haganah nowerdays...

a pic is worth a thousand words:

http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/images/emanhejo2.jpg
Mod note: Image of baby shot in chest may be graphic.

and what about a video?

http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index9.htm

scroll to the bottom of the page to download videos

I think you've just "offended" the "freedomfighting" BLOODY BUTCHERS "pieceful" "poor" "victims"...

Palestinian terrorists shoot Palestinian teen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3920181.stm

Oh, it must be that "freedomfighting" thing.

Next time you hear a 'palestinian' Arab "poor" boy died, Don't jump to conclusion.

Kiwi123,

aaah I have no clue what your saying all those "" and slang are confusing.

While Arab kids die because of VICIOUS Arab Muslim "palestinain" use of human shields http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/HumanShields
The REAL VICTIMS are Israeli INNOCENT, Trageted by blood thirsty Arab Muslim "palestinians", aiming especially at BABIES like these:
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/shalhe1.jpg
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/baby2.jpg
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/baby3.jpg
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/baby4.jpg

Israel used the same tactics to set up their own state i believe... Didnt object to killing palestinian children, or just arabs as they were then. No one remembers Haganah nowerdays...
With all due respect, Israel did NOT aim at innocent babies by intention!

http://www.inhonor.net/TerrorAttacksIsraelPalestine/TerrorAttacks-index.php

VS GUILTY Arab Muslim "palestinians" that use their kids as bombs and as shields and then... whine...
http://www.opsick.com

While Arab kids die because of VICIOUS Arab Muslim "palestinain" use of human shields http://www.geocities.com/palestinia...es/HumanShields
Kiwi, the second you use a geocities site as your source of information, I have lost all respect for you.

dear tiassa,
1) you refuse to discuss the topic at hand but rather try to discredit me.. good job :rolleyes:
2) what is so racist about those quotes? i stand by them because there's nothing racist about them

In the meantime, Otheadp, would support the bulldozing of the Zanin family house?
ideally, the "Palestinian" so-called security forces should arrest and dismantle all "unauthorized" forces (call them anything you want.. militants / terrorists / whatever)
if they [security forces] don't do it, somebody has to.

you know, one of my favourite songs of the Beatles is "Revolution (http://www.bbgcarpet.com/revolutionbeatleslyrics.html)"

All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
It's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

i am a big fan... the music is nice, the lyrics are catchy, however the idea is a little utopian.

if we're going to wait and pretend things are gonna be "alright", Qassam missiles are going to hit Israeli houses

so the IDF protects its citizens

if things were ideal, the corrupt 'security forces' would've taken care of the problem.. but they don't... so "house demolitions" .. or.. let's call it what it is - Rocket Launch Pad Demolitions are appropriate if all else fails
(so called "Protected Places" under the Geneva Convenctions lose their special status if that status is being abused.)

or would you rather IAF air strikes? maybe a deployment of a couple of thousand tanks?

my friend, you're deflecting the issue here.

i'm saying that these terrorists are ruining the lives of "Palestinians" which is why there are so many "spies" and "collaborators" within the PA territories who give info to the IDF. they're tired of these armed terrorist bastards of ruining their lives. they want peace and good life.
all Hamas and co. have to offer is death culture and destruction

if they don't kill your kids thru their suicide cult, they shoot them down with AK's

Kiwi, the second you use a geocities site as your source of information, I have lost all respect for you.

does that mean you haven't even checked the sources?
maybe you should
or are you afraid of "Zionist propaganda"? :rolleyes:

1) you refuse to discuss the topic at hand but rather try to discredit me.. good job

You discredit yourself recycling propaganda while trying to wear a new face. In the meantime, I did discuss the topic.

Good show.


2) what is so racist about those quotes? i stand by them because there's nothing racist about them

At that phase of the discussion, you were convicting people because they were Palestinian, as I repeatedly pointed out.

ideally, the "Palestinian" so-called security forces should arrest and dismantle all "unauthorized" forces (call them anything you want.. militants / terrorists / whatever)
if they [security forces] don't do it, somebody has to.

Nice dodge.

i'm saying that these terrorists are ruining the lives of "Palestinians" which is why there are so many "spies" and "collaborators" within the PA territories who give info to the IDF. they're tired of these armed terrorist bastards of ruining their lives. they want peace and good life.

Is this something genuine, or one of those child-murdering justifications?

In the earlier portion of the topic I call racist, you chose to condemn the conscience of a man who lamented the suffering of innocent people. You supported the bulldozing of houses even in cases when terrorist support could not be demonstrated.

My question to you is, Should the Zanin home be bulldozed?

you were convicting people because they were Palestinian, as I repeatedly pointed out

i keep telling you, you're doing that, not me.
while i separate the terrorists from regular civilians, you say they're all equally "freedom fighters", and should be treated equally

you're not a terrorist by merely being "Palestinian", as you've read in my previous post (unless you used your super-human selective-reading abilities that you so often do)

you chose to condemn the conscience of a man who lamented the suffering of innocent people
super-tiassa, if you read the same quote that you've used, you will read that i commended him for that same conscience
i was also upset that he would be more troubled by genuine "Palestinian" suffering than by genuinely dead Israelis
you think Israelis are happy that they have to see their kids serve in the territories running around with guns? not at all. you think that IDF soldiers like patrolling those same neighbourhoods with M16s where only 4 years ago they were able to go shopping there as civilians without any guns?

when you demonize and dehumanize the Israeli public and army in your posts, you make the mistake of asuming we enjoy this situation or that we don't feel sorry for "Palestinians".
we do.
that's what makes it so hard.

but we would rather stay alive.
the #1 need of any being or entity is survival. that comes first over all other personal needs or the needs of others.

is the mere survival of my family and neighbours a racist act?
and i'm not even talking about the just and moral need of Israel to survive as an entity and a country - i'm talking about my family members and friends who live only 2 miles from a major "Palestinian" town to not be shot or blown up.


You supported the bulldozing of houses even in cases when terrorist support could not be demonstrated.
???
that's quite an accusation
maybe that's what you perceived my words to mean since you have this horrible image of me in your head
in that other thread i supported the creation of the security corridor because those houses were a) used to launch rockets at Sderot, and b) had tunnels dug up underneath them thru which weapons were smuggled from Egypt.
terrorist support was clearly demonstrated

i would support buldozing any building if it was used as a terror base in any way. terror = dead Israelis, and any link in the chain of terror must be severed

My question to you is, Should the Zanin home be bulldozed?
should every criminal, accomplice, and accessory be punished?

since no Qassams were launched from their home their house should not be demolished

what should happen though, is for the PA's security apparatus apprehend those responsible for the murders of Israelis and the Zanin family member.

i was also upset that he would be more troubled by genuine "Palestinian" suffering than by genuinely dead Israelis

That was your own presumption, though. At least, as far as I can tell.

since no Qassams were launched from their home their house should not be demolished

Thank you for answering. And hey, look ... progress. Your response is a positive change from that prior argument.

Also ... wasn't the PA just raided by its own citizens? Regardless of whether anyone wishes to, is the PA really capable of pulling off such arrests? I mean, can they withstand a major backlash? I mean, with a mob of people waving rifles and shouting at Arafat about the other Arafat ... offices burned? Only one guard injured? (Shouldn't there be more in a losing battle?)

this "progress" is imagined in your head.
i haven't changed any of my positions
it is your perception of those opinions that has changed. i'm still one and the same. it's just that i have to spell things out...

is the PA really capable of pulling off such arrests?
Arafat is capable of many things. in the Arab world, one word from a leader means a lot... not like in the US. when Bush voices an opinion, you immediately have extremist liberals blaming him for 9/11 or whatever

he can stop everything by a few decrees alone.
he can of course also initiate some organizational reforms to make his apparatus run smoother and more effectively
he was presented with countless such plans from the US, Europe, Egypt, his own "ministers" (at least not the corrupt ones)

but the reality is that Arafat is a corrupt human being that cares only for #1 (that is himself)
when there is a report after a report coming out from the UN and EU that he's syphoning donation funds to some personal bank accounts, when he's using donation money to buy weapons from Iran, when he's using healthcare funds to pay al-Aqsa to manufacture bombs, when he's using education funds to pay off his cronies, when he is derailing governemtn after government (first Abu Mazen, now Abu Ala.. who's next?) it is not a question of whether he can, but rather does he want?

and the answer is that Arafat is part of the problem, not part of the solution

notice that i say Arafat and not the PA, that's because Arafat is the PA.
once he's gone, the PA can start fulfilling its responsibilities and obligations to its citizens unobstracted, among which is to protect them from terrorist and criminal gangs

if we just tied bush to a bomb and dropped it right in the middle of israel/palestine then all 3 of the problems with the world would be solved

With all due respect, Israel did NOT aim at innocent babies by intention!
Perhaps not, but they had no objection to using mortar bombs on packed civilian areas. They didnt mind killing British Army peacekeepers either. There arent any saints here, they really are as bad as each other.

this "progress" is imagined in your head.
i haven't changed any of my positions
it is your perception of those opinions that has changed. i'm still one and the same. it's just that i have to spell things out...

is the PA really capable of pulling off such arrests?
Arafat is capable of many things. in the Arab world, one word from a leader means a lot... not like in the US. when Bush voices an opinion, you immediately have extremist liberals blaming him for 9/11 or whatever

he can stop everything by a few decrees alone.
he can of course also initiate some organizational reforms to make his apparatus run smoother and more effectively
he was presented with countless such plans from the US, Europe, Egypt, his own "ministers" (at least not the corrupt ones)
But he isnt capable of anything really, he does not have that essential pre-requisite of a strong state, a monopoly of force. He commands alot of authority through the Palestinians respect for him, and his position as head of the PLA, but at the end of the day the militias run the country. They make the water flow, the electricity, keep the markets open. And they have much greater popular support and military capability than the PA, Arafat, or any other Palestinian organisation.

But to get rid of Arafat would equally give you no guaranteed communication to the militias, so for now we probably have to accept a corrupt Arafat, because hes the only one both sides will talk through.

never underestimate Arafat
what are you basing your assumtion on? he is not as weak as you think

meanwhile, the "Palestinian" anti-intifada movement continues (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1053397785062):

Hundreds of Palestinians demonstrated Tuesday in Beit Hanun in the northern Gaza Strip to protest against the launching of rockets aimed at Israel from the town.
...
They said the protesters were angry with Hamas for using Beit Hanun as a launching pad for firing Kassam rockets at Israel.

Similar protests have also been reported in the southern Gaza Strip, where residents of Khan Yunis and Rafah have been pressuring the Palestinian Authority to make an effort to stop the attacks. In some areas, residents have set up vigilante patrols to prevent Hamas activists from entering their neighborhoods.

Some 600 demonstrators took to the main street of Beit Hanun, burning tires and chanting slogans against Hamas, whose members are responsible for the rocket attacks, and against the PA for failing to stop the terrorists.


you see, Arafat has a conflict of interest.
should he send his men to stop his men?

this intifada is not a popular movement, contrary to indy-media's sensational reports

maybe i should start a petition about removing Arafish
if it's all anonymous, and every "Palestinian" civilian had a chance, you'd see at least %70 of them vote for his resignation / execution / jailing or whatever.

"Palestinian" civilians are just sick and tired of being used and abused by terrorists, being pawns in a pan-Muslim war game

they deserve better

Arafat is capable of many things.

Maybe he is. What he is not capable of is stemming the Palestinian hatred of the Israelis. That has been indoctrinated into them in their schools for decades now.

Tiassa, I dream about you at night.

Well terrorism did make the Israel state what it is today, the same tactics used by Irgun, and the gang in the 40’s allowed for the British to finally get sick and tired of the region and want to leave. Zionist terrorists killed British officials overseas, killing Arabs to scare them into exile, etc. Israeli’s shouldn’t be uttering a word against Pal terrorism in reality, because they were even more barbaric back when they were fighting for a state. Terrorism in the region is not new, and oth’s fake outrage is an example of a ideologue who doesn’t know a thing about his own “supposed history”.

nico you make me feel funny in the pants, my dear know-it-all historian

nico you make me feel funny in the pants

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/icw/022.gif...http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif To each is own I guess…here to alleve your “needs”:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Israeli+gay&meta=

Whatever floats your boat I guess…

my dear know-it-all historian

Oh you shouldn’t have! I never knew I was a “know it all historian”, thanks for the compliment.

Undecided wrote:

Well terrorism did make the Israel state what it is today, the same tactics used by Irgun, and the gang in the 40’s allowed for the British to finally get sick and tired of the region and want to leave. Zionist terrorists killed British officials overseas, killing Arabs to scare them into exile, etc. Israeli’s shouldn’t be uttering a word against Pal terrorism in reality, because they were even more barbaric back when they were fighting for a state. Terrorism in the region is not new, and oth’s fake outrage is an example of a ideologue who doesn’t know a thing about his own “supposed history”.

So since the Germans initiated the holocaust in the 40s, they have no right to speak against or fight against genocide today? Pretty weak logic undecided.

Well terrorism did make the Israel state what it is today, the same tactics used by Irgun, and the gang in the 40’s allowed for the British to finally get sick and tired of the region and want to leave. Zionist terrorists killed British officials overseas, killing Arabs to scare them into exile, etc. Israeli’s shouldn’t be uttering a word against Pal terrorism in reality, because they were even more barbaric back when they were fighting for a state. Terrorism in the region is not new, and oth’s fake outrage is an example of a ideologue who doesn’t know a thing about his own “supposed history”.
I want to marry you and buy you a yacht. How many times have i tried to say this?

I object to Israel's use of the word "terrorist" as something akin to "heretic" or "heathen", when they used the same methods to create their own state. They need to understand that terrorism is born of social conditions, cutting off the branches doesent kill the roots. They need only look at their own history to see this, their terrorism was born out of a need to establish a jewish homeland, why cant they realise this same aim in the Palestinians?

Working,

What is it called when G.W. kills 100.000+ Iraqis in search of WMDs that they don't have?

So since the Germans initiated the holocaust in the 40s, they have no right to speak against or fight against genocide today? Pretty weak logic undecided.

No that’s not what I was saying. What I was saying is that Israeli’s are hypocrites and it is awfully rich for the Israeli’s to complain about the same terrorism they started in the 40’s. The Germans said sorry, I have yet to hear that same apology from Israel. Germans recognize their wrong doing, the logic is strong.

Working,

What is it called when G.W. kills 100.000+ Iraqis in search of WMDs that they don't have?
Im not a rightist, i think your misinterpreting what im saying. GW's war is called neo-colonialism.

Radical ARAB MUSLIMS kill their own kids to blame the "zionists".
What else do you expect?
Sample:
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~ginsburg/aldura/pic1.jpg
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~ginsburg/aldura/pic5.jpg

A Terrible Crime (http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~ginsburg/aldura)

nico you make me feel funny in the pants, my dear know-it-all historian
They targeted British SOLDIERS Only.
Thank you.

Why "palestinian" Children -- REALLY -- Die???

1) Human Shields

http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/pictures/human-shields.jpg
"palestinian" Vicious use of Human Shields (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/HumanShields)

2)
Human Bombs by animalistic "moms"

http://www.geocities.com/guiltypalestinianteachersparents/momma.art
Guilty "palestinian" Teachers Parents (http://www.geocities.com/guiltypalestinianteachersparents)

ok ok no more the 3 post in a row now.

British Army peacekeepers either.What "peacekeepers"?
They have their big share of starting the incitement between the two groups.

Israeli real peacekeepers is more like it.

Update on the "peaceful" CULT of beheading...

Saudis Say They Found American's Head

Why was it in the freezer? Stored away for later propaganda use? From
AP, RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The head of slain American
hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr., who was kidnapped and decapitated by
militants in Saudi Arabia

They targeted British SOLDIERS Only.
Thank you.
Thats a crock. Arabs were the bigger target, even than British Soldiers.

July 22nd, 1946 - Haganah Guerillas bomb British HQ. 42 Dead, 52 Missing, 53 injured.

November 17th, 1946 - Jewish terrorists kill eight British troops. Haganah threatens to start attacks in Britain (not even the Palestinians threatened this)

March 2nd, 1947 - 20 British Soldiers killed.

April 24th, 1947 - Four British policeman and six others injured in an explosion at a police barracks, Tel Aviv. Eight soldiers and civilians killed, 41 injured when a train is destroyed.

July 31st, 1947 - Two British soldiers hung.

January 2nd, 1948 - Semiramis Hotel destroyed by the Stern Gang, 30 people buried in the rubble.

January 16th, 1948 - Seven Arab children killed in a bombing of a house, Haganah claims responsibility. Over 2000 people have been killed in the last six weeks. 1069 are Arabs, 769 are Jews.

Febuary 29th, 1948 - 28 British Soldiers and 33 others injured by a train bombing, The Stern Gang.

April 9th, 1948 - Arab village of Deir Yassin is massacred by the Stern Gang and Irgun.

April 22nd, 1948 - 400 killed in fighting in fighting in Haifa.

March 22nd, 1948 - Jewish terrorists blow up two areas of the Haifia Arab quarter, 17 killed, 150 injured.

Taken from the chronicle of the 20th century, these are direct copies of articles in newspapers from the time.
Thats the tip of a very big iceberg. The Arabs werent saints by any means either, but its very hypocrtitical to outrightly condemn them when this is how the Israeli state was created.

Working Class hero, that was 60 years ago for cripes sake. We dropped atomic bombs on two different cities during that same time period. We firebombed Tokyo in that same time period. America deliberately and purposely killed more than one million innocent Japaneese civillians. That is terrorism on an unbelievable scale. And yet here we are procesuting a war on terrorism 60 years later.

The point is that what Israel did 60 years ago is irrelevant. How is she acting today is much more important. A country must be judged on what they do.... not on what their ancestors did.

In any event your logic severely crippled. You say that since Germany apologized for killing tens of millions of people in a holocaust, they are now all right. That infers that all one has to do is apologize and all is forgiven. Using that philosophy, Israel could kill every single Palestinian in the disputed terrorities today and then apologize profusely tomorrow and every thing would be A-Ok. The important thing [to you] would be that they apologize for killing off all the palestinians. I am not one of those people who award brownie points based on apologies. I am more interested in BEHAVIOUR not WORDS.

By the way, America was founded on the corpses of millions of native americans.

Working Class hero, that was 60 years ago for cripes sake.

So I guess we can forget about the Holocaust as well? I mean that’s one of the reasons why Israel exists, since we can “forget” about that Israel serves no purpose.

And yet here we are procesuting a war on terrorism 60 years later.

By inducing terror yourselves.

The point is that what Israel did 60 years ago is irrelevant. How is she acting today is much more important. A country must be judged on what they do.... not on what their ancestors did.

No its not, what Israel did at the inception of its nation hood is very relevant today. The question about Israel is about her inception, which is the crux of much of the argument with Israel/Palestine conflict. The only way that a wrong of history can be considered irrelevant is if there is a reconciliation, and recognition of your own actions.

In any event your logic severely crippled. You say that since Germany apologized for killing tens of millions of people in a holocaust, they are now all right. That infers that all one has to do is apologize and all is forgiven. Using that philosophy, Israel could kill every single Palestinian in the disputed terrorities today and then apologize profusely tomorrow and every thing would be A-Ok.

Sorry that’s your logic not mine, what Germany did was horrible, but she said sorry, and gave billions to make try to make up a bit of what she did. If Israel killed all the Pals, who would she say sorry to? If Germany got rid of all the Jews, she wouldn’t have to say sorry either. I don’t think you understand the concept of “final solution”.

I am not one of those people who award brownie points based on apologies. I am more interested in BEHAVIOUR not WORDS.

Behaviors of both sides (Israeli and Pal) have been degrading to humanity. But of course only one side does the wrong I assume?

So undecided, where do you want the marraige ceremony and what sort of yacht would you like?

where do you want the marraige ceremony

Maui! or Rio?

sort of yacht would you like?

Is this much? (http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/queen_mary/images/image_1.jpg)

:p

Well i might need to sell my submarine and my private plane, but we'll get there.

never underestimate Arafat
meanwhile, the "Palestinian" anti-intifada movement continues (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1053397785062):


those people are against the milatants from firing from their rown not against the intifada. hundreds of thousndas of Israelis protestred against the invasion of Lebanon and 200 thousands Israelis marched with the Israeli president Yitzhak Rabin. that doesn't mean those Israelis were against israel though does it.

"Palestinian" civilians are just sick and tired of being used and abused by terrorists, being pawns in a pan-Muslim war game

they deserve better

ah yes and the generous jews of Israel are ready to aid the Palastinians and give them a better life. :D yes soon the Israeli govermant will let back in all the displaced Arabs into Israel

"forgot his name": Yitzhak Rabin (http://www.rabin.org/site/en/homepage.asp).

thanks

The terrorist will stop at nothing to get what they want. Even if it means killing thier own people.

which terrorists the Palastinians who kill Palastinians or the Jews who kill Jews?

I have moved some of the discussion to another thread of more relevance.
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=39119&page=35&pp=20

which terrorists the Palastinians who kill Palastinians or the Jews who kill Jews?
Wow, What a "difficult" choice...
But since you really made it appear as a "question"...

One can never equate

Muslim 'palestinian' Militants aiming @ babies
to
US/UK/Israel targeting Terrorists Butchers.


"While we MAY forgive them for killing our kids, we can NEVER forgive them for making us killing theirs." Israeli PM Golda Meir

Thens there that choice btwn apples and oranges... :(

Thens there that choice btwn apples and oranges... :(
The gigantic higher moral gap is clear.

One can never equate

Muslim 'palestinian' Militants aiming @ babies
to
US/UK/Israel targeting Terrorists Butchers.

The gigantic higher moral gap is clear.

Then why don’t I and most westerners see it? :confused:

The gigantic higher moral gap is clear.

Then why don’t I am most westerners see it?
Because the Arabist media is brainwashing us.

It's that Spanish 'giving in' syndrome that is spreading like a wild fire... with the false notion fantasy that '[I]If we just solve the "palestinian" VIOLENT 'problem' Terrorism will stop...' and of course it's easier to demand from the always good guy: Israel... while we forget that Islamic Jihad is a war on the Non Muslims no matter what we do... [of course they'll use that as well as US in Iraq, as an excuse] and Arab radical Racism is a war upon Non Areabs no matter what we do... and often these to merge... Arab Racism + Jihad (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad)
It is basically:

1) Arab Racism & Islamic Jihad Terror that works.

2) Huge Oil Goliath Monopoly Control. Effecting bias UN's SILLY "resolutions" too [ http://www.UnitedNothing.org ].

3) Gigantic Arab Muslim Economical Market that Europe is worshipping.

One can never equate

Muslim 'palestinian' Militants aiming @ babies
to
US/UK/Israel targeting Terrorists Butchers.

'david' Israel is the victim not only on the streets by GOLIATH Arab Muslim militant THUGS, but in UN and in the Media too.

Because the Arabist media is brainwashing us.
Ummm…right…this is honestly the basis of your argument?

It's that Spanish 'giving in' [in Iraq after Madrid Islamists' Bombing] syndrome that is spreading like a wild fire...

It has…considering that the election was in a dead heat prior to the election, the fact that the Spanish government turned proto-fascist has nothing to do with all this? I very highly doubt it, you sound like a fear mongerer who doesn’t know what he really fears. You see our problem is what you have just outlined, ridicule for democracy. Would your solution to this supposed “giving in” concept is to adopt anti-democratic mechanisms so us stupid people cannot compromise a already failed policy?

with the false notion fantasy that 'If we just solve the "palestinian" VIOLENT 'problem' Terrorism will stop...'

Although terrorism would not stop, the masses in the Arabic/Islamic world would much better understand our position. Al Q would lose… “the base” from which she garners her support, that is the US’ tacit support for Israel.

Israel... while we forget that Islamic Jihad is a war on the Non Muslims no matter what we do...

It is Israel’s and our policy that allow that movement to even be considered relevant. You forget the simple equation that stands the test of time…cause=effect, not the other way round.

and Arab radical Racism is a war upon Non Areabs no matter what we do...

Israel’s policy is the same, let’s not pretend to be ignorant. Well I may be pushing that one too far in this conversation…;)

Muslim 'palestinian' Militants aiming @ babies
to
US/UK/Israel targeting Terrorists Butchers.

Surely pictures can:
http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/

Both Israel and Palestine are vicious, fascist, and racist. Let’s not be categorical, you must live in a dream land to believe one side only has the guilt of emotion against them.

Both Israel and Palestine are vicious, fascist, and racist. Let’s not be categorical, you must live in a dream land to believe one side only has the guilt of emotion against them.

Sure, the Jews and the Muslims are equivalent. That's why Islamic extremists are at war with practically everyone they come into contact with. Here's a list of a few of them. Perhaps you could show me a similiar list for the Jews.


MUSLIM ON-GOING CONFLICTS IN THE WORLD


AFGHANISTAN: The war in Afghanistan is ongoing. Since Soviet troops withdrew, various Afghan groups have tried to eliminate their rivals. Although the Taliban strengthened their position in 1998 they have not achieved their final objective. Afghanistan harbours Osama bin Ladin, a wealthy Saudi Arabia dissident responsible for terrorist acts around the world. On 11 September 2001 members from bin Ladin's el Qaeda group highjacked 4 passenger jets in the USA, crashing one into the Pentagon and 2 into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,000 citizens. The USA and its allies declared war on terrorism and counter-attacked, removing the Taliban from power. The war on terrorism and the el Qaeda continues.


ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have died
The Caucasus and Russia: The Central Asian republics have a long history of conflicts. Fighting breaks out regularly between warlords and religious groups calling for the establishment of Islamic states outside the Russian Federation. Russia is trying to hold on to the federation because the Caucasus is a vital supply route for the oil riches of the Caspian and Black Sea. With the break-up of the Soviet Union various groups fought for control in the republics. Conflicts from one republic spills over to the other and they continually blame each other for attacks. Chechnya, still part of Russia, was flung in an almost full-scale war in 1994-96 and, after a disastrous campaign, Russia was forced to re-evaluate its involvement in the area. In August 1999 Russia stepped up security in the Caucasus region as rebels from within Dagestan - a small republic where more than 100 languages are spoken - went on the attack in support of Chechnyan Muslim groups who claim independence from Russia. In September 1999 Russia launched a ground invasion into the area to cut rebels off from Central Asian supply routes. By January 2000 Russia was once again involved in a full scale conflict in Chechnya. The Caucasus issue is complicated by the more than 50 different ethnic groups each insisting to proclaim their religious convictions on the area. The situation holds serious danger for neighbouring countries, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Russia itself.


EYGPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion. The conflict was primarily waged as an urban guerrilla/terrorist war. The opposition Muslim Brotherhood took part in elections in 2000, indicating that they felt armed force would not work.


INDONESIA: The struggle on the Indonesia islands is complicated by leaders of pro- and anti-independence movements, and by religious conflicts. More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent.


INDIA/PAKISTAN: Muslim separatists in the Indian section declared a holy war against the mostly-Hindu India and started attacks in 1989, mainly from Pakistan-occupied section of Kashmir, and from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The conflict continues, with Pakistan also crushing rebellions with brute force in their section.


IRAQ: Supports Islamic terrorist acts around the world. Differing culture and religious groups within Iraq continues to clash with Shiite Muslims.


ISRAEL: Within its own borders, Israel continues to battle various Muslim organizations that seek independence for a Palestine state, areas made up of the Gaza strip, West.Bank, and part of Jerusalem. There is heavy international pressure on Israel to recognise a Palestinian state. The area of what today is Palestine was settled by Semitic tribes at a very early date. It was then called Canaan, and controlled by Canaanite tribes for more than 1,000 years. In about 1500 BC Hebrew, or Jewish, tribes began to enter the area. They later came into conflict with a people of Greek origin known as the Philistines. It is from them that the term Palestine is derived.


IRAN: After the Iranian Revolution in 1979 toppled the government of the Shah, the Mujahadeen Khalq soon began a bloody guerrilla war against the new Islamic government. The Mujahadeen are currently based in Iraq and conduct cross-border raids into Iran, as well as conducting urban guerrilla operations in the cities and conducting political assassinations. Iran occasionally launches raids against Khalq bases in Iraq.


KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia.


NIGERIA: There are violent religious clashes in the city of Kaduna in northern Nigeria beginning February 21 2004 and have continued. Kaduna is the second largest city in the north. The clashes followed a march by tens of thousands of Christians to protest the proposal to introduce Muslim sharia law as the criminal code throughout Kaduna state. Reports speak of rival armed gangs of Christians and Muslims roving the streets. Churches and mosques have been put to the torch. Corpses were seen lying in the streets and people's bodies hanging out of cars and buses, apparently killed while attempting to flee the violence. Local human rights workers said that more than 400 had been killed as a result of the clashes.


SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese economy.


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: At war with terrorism.


PHILIPPINES: The Phillipines armed forces, with assistance of US troops, are fighting Moslem rebels - they have been linked to Osama bin Laden's el Qaeda terrorist group - on the southern islands of the country. Muslim rebel groups seek autonomy/independence from the mostly Christian Philippines. One rebel group, the Abu Sayaf Group, is believed linked to Osama bin-Laden's Al-Qaida. This connection, plus their tactic of kidnapping and beheading Americans, led the United States to send Special Forces to aid the Philippine Army.

Original thread title.

Bloody terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

This will stop when the United States ceases supporting some Jewish state that's been created by snatching land from Arabs on the grounds that the Jews "once had it", possibly drawn from unreliable religious material, that defends itself by erecting a fence that's built on land stolen from the Arabs for no reason, and that has a megalomaniacal, warmongering, bloodthirsty twat for a leader. And then people say "let us create a Palestinian state" as if doing the Arabs an enormous favor.

If the justifications pro-Zionists give for the support of Israel were equally applied everywhere where applicable, the United States needs to hand over the entirety of North America to the Native Americans, give back Hawaii to the natives, and allow bin Laden to invade the borders of American soil to build a fence to "protect himself".

Bloody insane Zionists! Will they never stop? :cool:

Original thread title.



This will stop when the United States ceases supporting some Jewish state that's been created by snatching land from Arabs

LOL, It's the other way around, Israel STICKS to war on Terror lead by US because it's the first victim from Arab Muslim Jihadi BUTCHERS that have started MASSACRING NATIVE Jews in the Holy land long before that "occupation" was even born...
Soon the World will start learning the real historic events, and IslamoArab Militants' excuses will be shut!



The Arab muslim FIRST MASSACRE on the Native Jews in the Holy land - 1929 (HTTP://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/martyrs.htm),More (http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarhome.htm)

The Jews Took No Ones Land (http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A-114-The-Jews-Took-No-Ones-Land.html)

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First Arabs in Palestine (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_first_arabs.php)


Arabs are not a singular people. Origins are complex and intermingled with many peoples and lines. According to tradition, true Arabs are descendants of Abraham and his son Ishmael and prior to the 20th century, "Arab" designated the Bedouin, tribal-based society of the Arabian desert, which is the birthplace of Arabic. Other Arabs are ethnic groups that have been extant in their lands of origin for millennia. Modern Arab nationalism is a product of 19th- and 20th-century developments and has no prior historical basis. Before the rise of nationalism, most Arabic-speakers identified themselves as members of a particular family or tribe; as residents of a village, town, or region; as Muslims, Christians, or Jews; or as subjects of large political entities such as the Ottoman empire.

Historians generally agree that the ancient Semitic peoples (Assyrians, Aramaeans, Canaanites (including the Phoenicians and Hebrews) and, later, the Arabs themselves) migrated into the area of the Fertile Crescent. Arab invasions came after successive crises of overpopulation in the Arabian Peninsula beginning in the third millennium BC and ending with the Muslim conquests of the 7th century AD. These peoples spoke languages based on similar linguistic structures, and the modern Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic (the language of Ethiopia) maintain important similarities.

In approx. 1200 BC, the Petra area (in modern Jordan, about 80 kilometers south of the Dead Sea) was populated by Edomites, descended from Esau according to the Bible, and was known as Edom ("red"). Before the Israelites arrived in Canaan and repeatedly battled with them, the Edomites controlled the fertile valleys from the Red Sea at Elath to the Dead Sea, and hence the trade routes from Arabia in the south to Damascus in the north.

Subsequently, the Nabataeans, one of many Arab tribes, migrated into Edom, forcing the Edomites to move into southern Palestine. By 312 BC the Nabataeans occupied Petra and made it the capital of their kingdom. The Edomites were later forcibly converted into Judaism by John Hyrcanus (died 105 BC), and then became an active part of the Jewish people. Petra prospered as the principal city of the Nabataean empire from 400 BC to AD 106 when it was absorbed by the Romans. The Nabataeans flourished in the spice trade and engineered an impressive hydraulic engineering system of pipes, tunnels, and channels that carried drinking water into the city and reduced the chance of flash floods.

After the Roman conquest of Judea, the Nabataeans and others, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 AD, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin".

In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestine and took Jerusalem. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Egyptian Mameluks, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.

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Bloody ISLAMO ARAB Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

The so called 'ForeignPolicy' slogan at MUSLIMS' CRIMES (Militants' terror & moderates' apologists)



What "foreign policy" excuse did they use at the hijacking in Iran 1979?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use when Muslim radical butchered at the Bali Disco massacre?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use at Philippines, decapitating tourist?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use to enslave/maime/torture & butcher 2,000,000 Sudanese?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use to torture Christian Nigerians?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use to imprison Christian mothers in Saudi Arabia?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use in massacre at the Church in Pakistan?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use the Arab "palestinians" in their daily massacres on kids just as when US & Israel tries in vain) to please them with Extra sacrifice in Roadmap?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use in murdering over last years 15,000,000 Indians (in Asia)?


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Bloody ISLAMO ARAB Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

Sure, the Jews and the Muslims are equivalent. That's why Islamic extremists are at war with practically everyone they come into contact with. Here's a list of a few of them. Perhaps you could show me a similiar list for the Jews.

No you are confusing the terms here, Zionists and Arab nationalists are equivalent. An Islamic extremist is the term we have to watch here, remember not all Muslims are extremists. Now the way I look at the situation is that one cannot simply ignore the facts on the ground, those facts are that Islamic extremism stems from mostly western intervention in the Middle East, we created this monster. Remember that in 1953 the Middle East was really on a path to democratic reform, but Iran’s democratic government was overthrown by Angl0-American oil interests. The Shah was re-institutionalized as head of Iran, and because he was ruthless and supported by the west, the people of Iran were well within their rights to demand a new government. We created that scenario by repressing the expression of Iran, and now we expect there to be hugs and kisses? In Iraq we supported Saddam Hussein btwn the years of 1979-1991 giving him WMD, weapons, satellite photos, aid, and even took him off the Terrorist supporting list! All the while Saddam was killing untold thousands, on the front lines and at home, we turned a blind eye. Who defended Saddam when there was the gassing of 5000 Kurds? Well it seems to have been the US saying it was Iran. After the illegal invasion of Kuwait only did we get tough on Iraq, just not Saddam. 1 million people died under the sanction regime in Iraq, and the Middle East’s most advanced state was shattered, now we expect there to be hugs and kisses? Those are merely two examples of our actions in the Middle East, yet we are shocked that they resent us? Israel is the apex of injustice in the international regime, an Arab people who were the largest ethnic group in Palestine regardless of religion, were kicked off their lands, even though they owned most of the land. Then in 1967 Israel expanded its illegal reach beyond her agreed upon borders, illegally occupying land that is not theirs, colonizing land that is not theirs, building a wall that infringes the rights of Pals, and international law. Yet you expect Israel’s to be greeted with hugs and kisses? Why does Israel even exist because of the West, and more importantly the US. A great injustice has been wrought on the lives of innocent millions in the Levant, and they are doing the same thing Israel did for her nationhood, terrorist actions against civilian populations. So if I were a Zionist I would shut my little mouth and look at my own history before I utter more idiocy.

[i] Sure, the Jews and the Muslims are equivalent. That's why Islamic extremists are at war with practically everyone they come into contact with.

WHY CRIMINAL GLOBAL R. ISLAM VS WORLD IS UNIQUE

Today (where the crusaeds are long gone) only ISLAMISTS Kill [the non Muslims] in the name of religion.
While you can find extremists everwhere, the difference is sharp and clear.
Extremists among Christrians or Indians (or Zionists) are not accepted by their main stream, whereas IslamoArab main stream education such as in the "palestinian" cult of "education" (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/PalestinianEducation) is GLORIFYING mass murderers that aim at babies.
More at:
"palestinian" Media Watch (http://www.pmw.org.il)

[i] 1967...
As I said, the 1929 was their first Massacre on Native Jews there long before this-THEIR Excuse.
And No, no comparisons, Israel in it's inception, some group there has targeted British Military such as those situated in the King David Hotel, but Arab Muslim "palestinian" main stream encourages aiming at babies, and the more the better, the bigger the innocent civilian crowd, the more "virgins" these COWARD THUGS get..

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Bloody ISLAMO ARAB Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?


The so called 'ForeignPolicy' slogan at MUSLIMS' CRIMES (Militants' terror & moderates' apologists)



What "foreign policy" excuse did they use at the hijacking in Iran 1979?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use when Muslim radical butchered at the Bali Disco massacre?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use at Philippines, decapitating tourist?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use to enslave/maime/torture & butcher 2,000,000 Sudanese?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use to torture Christian Nigerians?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use to imprison Christian mothers in Saudi Arabia?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use in massacre at the Church in Pakistan?


What "foreign policy" excuse do they use the Arab "palestinians" in their daily massacres on kids just as when US & Israel tries in vain) to please them with Extra sacrifice in Roadmap?


What "foreign policy" excuse did they use in murdering over last years 15,000,000 Indians (in Asia)?

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Bloody ISLAMO ARAB Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

Today (where the crusaeds are long gone) only ISLAMISTS Kill [the non Muslims] in the name of religion.

Why are you lying or are you just ignorant? One of the worst atrocities of the 20th century was committed by Orthodox Christians against Muslims, I assume you must have forgotten aboutSrebrenica (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/cryfromthegrave/) or in Kosovo when Albanian Muslims were forced out of their lands? Muslims are not innocent, but they aren’t the only one’s like you would like to insinuate.

Extremists among Christrians or Indians (or Zionists) are not accepted by their main stream

Extremist Christians are more then accepted in the US, Bush is one of them. Where do you think this gay marriage Bull Shit came from? Zionists consist of the intelligentsia in the PNAC program, extremist Zionists are in power in Israel with Sharon, and there is increasing power of the fundamentalist Zionist rightwing in Israel as well.

whereas IslamoArab main stream education such as in the "palestinian" cult of "education" is GLORIFYING mass murderers that aim at babies.

Yes and I am not going to defend those actions, it is wrong. But you cannot look at the situation from a skewd position and really expect to be taken seriously. My advice Kiwi is get reputable sources of information, before its largely bias junk.

As I said, the 1929 was their first Massacre on Native Jews there long before this-THEIR Excuse.

The first crime was committed by Zionists against their own:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/holocaust/YisraelDahan.htm

Today (where the crusaeds are long gone) only ISLAMISTS Kill [the non Muslims] in the name of religion.

Why are you lying or are you just ignorant? One of the worst atrocities of the 20th century was committed by Orthodox Christians against Muslims, I assume you must have forgotten aboutSrebrenica (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/cryfromthegrave/) or in Kosovo when Albanian Muslims were forced out of their lands? Muslims are not innocent, but they aren’t the only one’s like you would like to insinuate.

Extremists among Christrians or Indians (or Zionists) are not accepted by their main stream

Extremist Christians are more then accepted in the US, Bush is one of them. Where do you think this gay marriage Bull Shit came from? Zionists consist of the intelligentsia in the PNAC program, extremist Zionists are in power in Israel with Sharon, and there is increasing power of the fundamentalist Zionist rightwing in Israel as well.


The war in Kosovo was not a 'religious' one but that of race.
Sharon & Co. is Secular, and so were the founders of zionism, or the founders of Israel for that matter.

The war in Kosovo was not a 'religious' one but that of race.

No actually it was also due to religion as well, but why did you not mention Srebrenica? I know why because it destroys your little assertions.

Sharon & Co. is Secular, and so were the founders of zionism, or the founders of Israel for that matter.

Exactly so stop calling it a Jewish state…;)

As I said, the 1929 was their first Massacre on Native Jews there long before this-THEIR Excuse.

The first crime was committed by Zionists against their own:


This is called shifting ways from the discussed subject of Arab Muslim "palestinians" (Oops, there were not called "palestinians" then yet...) massacres on Jews there. in 1929 Hebron.
Thus the 1967 events, can not serve as an excuse, What does the case you've provided have to do with these?

The war in Kosovo was not a 'religious' one but that of race.

No actually it was also due to religion as well, but why did you not mention Srebrenica? I know why because it destroys your little assertions.

Sharon & Co. is Secular, and so were the founders of zionism, or the founders of Israel for that matter.

Exactly so stop calling it a Jewish state…;)
Did I use that term? it's a state where Arabs [including women] can vote and even be Prime Minister...

The war in Kosovo was not a 'religious' one but that of race.

No actually it was also due to religion as well, but why did you not mention Srebrenica? I know why because it destroys your little assertions.


No, I haven't got to clicking on that link yet.

This is called shifting ways from the discussed subject of Arab Muslim "palestinians" (Oops, there were not called "palestinians" then yet...) massacres on Jews there. in 1929 Hebron.

No it wasn’t you wanted to play the game of who did what first, well mein friend the Zionist thugs killed a Rabbi, the first crime was committed by your own against a Jew.

Thus the 1967 events, can not serve as an excuse, What does the case you've provided have to do with these?

1967 has nothing to do with what happened in the 20’s the situation in 1967 was completely different.You said that Palestinians didn't exist, neither did Israel. So how can that situation jive with 1967 in anyway? It doesn't, and it can't. The fact remains that Israel committed illegal acts is now paying for it. If you were to actually believe in G-d he stated that those who returned to the Promised Land before the predestined time would suffer a great deal:

We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before
the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal
citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour,
not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave
exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the
yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made
prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be
delayed.

(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).


Play games of which you know nothing about, Israeli’s are being hunted down and you show it quite well in your pics of destroyed buses. You choose this route, now live with it.

[i] Israeli’s are being hunted down and you show it quite well in your pics of destroyed buses. You choose this route, now live with it.
I don't know what you mean by "you", but if you refer to Israelis, they chose life, and the anti life cult called Radical Arab Racism & Islamic Jihad (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad) chose death & in cowarly manner to aim at the innocent unarmed.

You still ["games"???] avoided the relation to the first massacre on Jews there by Arab Muslims in 1929, on Non Zionists Jews that chose to survive [long before the heroic defense of course].
Conclusion, it's not what the West does or not, but what they [Jihadists] are being taught to do.

I don't know what you mean by "you",

I mean you, when you show me those pictures of Israeli’s who died because of a terrorist bombing or other such incidents it only validates G-d’s warning to Jewry, and it validates that Israel is a sac-religious state. I didn’t write that passage from the Talmud, it speaks volumes, terrorism against Israel seems to have been predicted a long time ago.

they chose life, and the anti life cult called Radical Arab Racism & Islamic Jihad chose death & in cowarly manner to aim at the innocent unarmed.

I don’t think that’s the aim, that’s merely the consequence, this is typical of people who only think that the effect is the problem. Terrorism is never a cause, it cannot be by definition. People don’t just wake up in the morning and say “Well time to strap on the belt”. Your ideas on terrorism make no sense because you are saying people kill themselves because they can. The reality is that there are real grievances that Pals live through. They live in ghetto’s, in Gaza it resembles the Warsaw Ghetto even, and like the Zionists who in that Ghetto knew they were going to die fighting the Nazi’s fought anyways, you know why? Because it was an injustice that could not be tolerated anymore. Those fighters in the Ghetto died for a cause their liberation, same as the Pals from the grips of Israel. Israel has killed tens of thousands of Pals over the last 30 years, many of them innocent people, no amount of rhetoric, or manipulation is going to disguise that. Israel has destroyed hundreds of thousands of people’s homes in the past 30 years, yet we complain? Israel is an apartheid state, and it is a living injustice. If us Christians have our way, many Israeli’s would have hoped they listened to their G-d.

You still avoided the relation to the first massacre on Jews there by Arab Muslims in 1929, on Non Zionists Jews that chose to survive [long before the heroic defense of course].

Obviously the massacre was wrong, and I condemn it. But you have not discussed the murder of a Rabbi by Zionists in Israel, or the genocide of Srebrenica. At least I am confident enough in my argument to recognize these things, you obviously aren’t.

Conclusion, it's not what the West does or not, but what they [Jihadists] are being taught to do.

That’s only half the story, and that ignorance will make us lose this war.

Here's a list of a few of them. Perhaps you could show me a similiar list for the Jews.


furstly half of the problems arent Muslim problems and next there are only 12 million Jews in the world and they have only one country, Israel. the few jews who aren't in Israel are maiunly on the coastal region of America

Kiwi123, you keep on going on about all of this how the Pals are terrorist and Israelis are innocent victims. do you think Israel dont kill kids? and do you think Israel dont commit massacres? are you forgetting how Israel was started and Israels past 50 years ofd Milatry action? do you think all of the highly armed peace loving settlers are perfect law abiding citezens? does Goldstien ring a bell? hey why dont you vist his grave, he is a hero to the Israelis after all. why dont yhou put a few small stones on his grave then , like Jews do?

I don't know what you mean by "you",

I mean you, when you show me those pictures of Israeli’s who died because of a terrorist bombing or other such incidents it only validates G-d’s warning to Jewry, and it validates that Israel is a sac-religious state. I didn’t write that passage from the Talmud, it speaks volumes, terrorism against Israel seems to have been predicted a long time ago.

they chose life, and the anti life cult called Radical Arab Racism & Islamic Jihad chose death & in cowarly manner to aim at the innocent unarmed.


So was [the violent Rise and eventual fall of Ishmael -- according to my friend who's Jewish, and as we all know >] their glorius redemption --predicted-- soon, God willing.
Nevertheless, the Perpertrators Arab Muslim Militant Thugs are still the bad guys.

Kiwi123, you keep on going on about all of this how the Pals are terrorist and Israelis are innocent victims. do you think Israel dont kill kids?
They do not by intention, no different then any law officer of security chasing down mass murderers aiming at babies, and some kids used by Arab Muslims as shields (by radical terrible parents or by other radicals) gets caught in the fire.
Any wonder now why terrorists hide among civilians?
But Israelis risk their lives going door to door [or inventing specially low range precision small missiles designed to minimize collateral damage when targeting terrorists masterminds, thus often risking not getting their targets] on the look out for terrorists and weapons only, whereas Arab Muslim 'palestinians' search for the most crowded of places with civilians to "freeedomfight" their BUTCHERY, with the full moral support of the mianstream of the "palestinians", 75% of them polled -- by themseves -- support Genocide Boming on civilians.

Note:
Most Arabs dead were COMBATANTS, Most Israelis dead are/were Not combatants.

Yes, the Israelis [by in large] are the victims.

So was [the violent Rise and eventual fall of Ishmael -- according to my friend who's Jewish, and as we all know >] their glorius redemption --predicted-- soon, God willing.

The redemption is over; Jews will never get their redemption thanks to Zionism. Extremist Jewry took the lords laws into their own hands and decided to defy the will of G-d; as a result Israeli’s suffer a great deal. What is happening to Israeli’s according to the Talmud is what is supposed to happening, Jews in Israel are indeed being prosecuted because of their own actions.

Nevertheless, the Perpertrators Arab Muslim Militant Thugs are still the bad guys.

They cannot be “bad guys” if they are fulfilling the will of G0d, Zionists brought this upon themselves. At least I am able to say, stop the terrorist bombings because I do feel that Israeli’s like Palestinians should live in peace, I hope one day you can do the same and get rid of your extremist ideological and as a result anti-intellectual slant.

So was [the violent Rise and eventual fall of Ishmael -- according to my friend who's Jewish, and as we all know >] their glorius redemption --predicted-- soon, God willing.

The redemption is over;
Nope, and the fall out of events coincided with their tradition's prophecy [including today's sad events] is only reaffirming it.

(Again, they might have sinned in the sense being relative for their higher class of morals that they represent, but boy, you can't equate them to the Arab Muslim largely guilty part, btw neither was the Mufti's massacres on Iraqi Jews in 1941 and in Hebron 1929 related to "zionism" Excuses, or their attacks on simple Jews passers by in Paris, or arson on anti Zionists' religious Jewish schools in Canada, of course they are by in large the innocent victims) .

The future including their glory is not yet closed.

Nope, and the fall out of events coincided with their tradition's prophecy is only reaffirming it.

Exactly Israel’s existence is the cause of the problem, terrorism is not the cause of the problem it cannot be the cause of the problem. There is a reason why people kill innocent civilians, it’s not because they want to. Israel’s future looks bleak and it is largely of her own doing.

(Again, they might have sinned in the sense being relative for their higher class of morals that they represent, but boy, you can't equate them to the Arab Muslim largely guilty part).

Arabs are guilty of killing thousands of Israeli’s yes, but Israel is guilty of so much more. Not only expelling 750,000 people of their homes, they killed tens of thousands more Arabs, destroyed 175,000 Arab homes within Israel, imagine Gaza and the West Bank, the Arabs in Israel do not have all the rights a Israeli has, and Israel has sinned against G-d, that is not a position I want to be in. As said by one of the greatest Jews who has ever lived on the issue:

And as King Solomon knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and in a metaphorical way made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Song of Songs, 3,5: I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired.

Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts. He will then fulfill in our days and in yours the verse from Isaiah 9:1 The nation wandering in darkness shall see a great Light, and a Light shall shine on those residing in the land of the shadow of death. At that time G-d shall darken the eyes of all those who rise up against us, and fulfill the verse from Isaiah 60:2 Verily darkness shall cover the land and fog shall cover nations, but the light of G-d shall shine upon you, and you shall display his honor.

[I]Maimonides, Iggeres Teiman – Letter to Yemen

Yet Zionists defy G-d, and is atheist even pretending to be Jews. I am catholic so I do fear G-d, I can’t imagine a piteous Jew.

Nope, and the fall out of events coincided with their tradition's prophecy [including today's sad events] is only reaffirming it.

Exactly Israel’s existence is the cause of the problem, terrorism is not the cause of the problem
Exactly why you avoided the facts of Arab Muslims initiating the massacres on the Jews in 1929.
Arab Violence existed long before ReEstablishing of Israel.
And Arab Muslim leaders have told them to leave [600,000 Arabs] with "promises" of expelling all Jews -- ethnic cleansing the land.
Whereas the Arab Muslim leaders have also ... expelled 800,000 native Jews from Arab counties such as: Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, etc..

http://www.PalestineFacts.org

Exactly why you avoided the facts of Arab Muslims initiating the massacres on the Jews in 1929.

Why have you ignored the violence of Zionists in Israel in 1924?!? I already said this about the massacre of 1929 if you missed it:

Obviously the massacre was wrong, and I condemn it.

Arab Violence existed long before ReEstablishing of Israel.

As was Zionist violence, point being?

And Arab Muslim leaders have told them to leave [600,000 Arabs] with "promises" of expelling all Jews -- ethnic cleansing the land.

Some did leave for that reason granted, but many more fled because they were scared of the Zionist terrorist organizations rampaging the country killing thousands. They are considered refugees for a reason; they have a legitimate right to that land. That’s what a refugee entails, they were kicked out.

That’s what a refugee entails,


Arab Refugees

Approximately 720,000 Arabs, encouraged by their leaders to leave, fled from what is now Israel between April and December, 1948.(1) The Arab leaders promised them that they would soon be able to return following Israel's destruction. In some cases the Jews, including Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, urged the Arabs to remain, promising that they would not be harmed.(2) Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel, while those who chose to leave went to neighboring Arab states. Instead of welcoming their Arab brothers, and integrating them into the mainstream of their societies, the Arab states kept them in squalid refugee camps and used these Palestinians refugees as political pawns in their fight against Israel.



1. Irving Howe and Carl Gershman (eds.), Israel, the Arabs and the Middle East (New York: Bantam, 1972), p. 168.
2. See, for instance, The Economist, Oct. 2, 1948, for a description of Jewish efforts in Haifa to persuade the Arabs to stay.



The Jewish Refugees

http://www.geocities.com/compassionplease/REFUGEES1.art



In 1945 there were more than 870,000 Jews living in the various Arab states. Many of their communities dated back 2,500 years. Throughout 1947 and 1948 these Jews were persecuted. Their property and belongings were confiscated. There were anti-Jewish riots in Aden, Egypt, Lybia, Syria, and Iraq. In Iraq, Zionism was made a capital crime.
Aproximately 600,000 Jews sought refuge in the State of Israel.(1) They arrived destitute, but they were absorbed into the society and became an integral part of the state. In effect, then, a vertible exchange of populations took place between Arab and Jewish refugees. Thus the Jewish refugees became full Israeli citizens while the Arab refugees remained "refugees" according to the wishes of the Arab leaders.

"STAND OUT FIRMLY FOR JUSTICE"
Quran (4:135 ):

"O ye who believe!
stand out firmly for justice,
as witnesses to God,
even as against yourselves,
or your parents,
or your kin,
and whether it be (against) rich or poor:
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the lusts (of your hearts),
lest ye swerve,
and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice,
verily God is well- acquainted with all that ye do."

When Palestinians become oppressors




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The Arab nations keep the Arab-Palestinians and their descendants in squalor. They are denied citizenship rights. They are denied work. They are denied property. They are denied their human rights because they are and always will be a political football in the Arab campaign against Israel.

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Palestinian Refugees,
Invited to leave in 1948



The people are in great need of a "myth" to fill their
consciousness and imagination....
-- Musa Alami, 1948 Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem
in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine
people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and,
I could say, even criminal.
-- King Hussein of Jordan, 1960 Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes .... [36]
-- Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war The nations of western Europe condemned Israel's position
despite their guarantee of her security.... They understood
that ... their dependence upon sources of energy precluded
their allowing themselves to incur Arab wrath.
-- Al-Haytham Al-Ayubi, Arab Palestinian military strategist, 1974

At the time of the 1948 war, Arabs in Israel were invited by their fellow Arabs -- invited to "leave" while the "invading" Arab armies would purge the land of Jews. The invading Arab governments were certain of a quick victory; leaders warned the Arabs in Israel to run for their lives. In response, the Jewish Haifa Workers' Council issued an appeal to the Arab residents of Haifa.
For years we have lived together in our city, Haifa.... Do not fear: Do not destroy your homes with your own hands ... do not bring upon yourself tragedy by unnecessary evacuation and self-imposed burdens.... But in this city, yours and ours, Haifa, the gates are open for work, for life, and for peace for you and your families."
While the Haifa pattern appears to have been prevalent, there were exceptions. Arabs in another crucial strategic area, who were "opening fire on the Israelis shortly after surrendering," were "forced" to leave by the defending Jewish army to prevent what former Israeli Premier Itzhak Rabin described as a "hostile and armed populace" from remaining "in our rear, where it could endanger the supply route . . ." In his memoirs, Rabin stated that Arab control of the road between the seacoast and Jerusalem had "all but isolated" the "more than ninety thousand Jews in Jerusalem," nearly one-sixth of the new nation's total population.
If Jerusalem fell, the psychological blow to the nascent Jewish state would be more damaging than any inflicted by a score of armed brigades.
According to a research report by the Arab-sponsored Institute for Palestine Studies in Beirut, however, "the majority" of the Arab refugees in 1948 were not expelled, and "68%" left without seeing an Israeli soldier.
After the Arabs' defeat in the 1948 war, their positions became confused: some Arab leaders demanded the "return" of the "expelled" refugees to their former homes despite the evidence that Arab leaders had called upon Arabs to flee. [Such as President Truman's International Development Advisory Board Report, March 7, 1951: "Arab leaders summoned Arabs of Palestine to mass evacuation... as the documented facts reveal..."] At the same time, Emile Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Command, called for the prevention of the refugees from "return." He stated in the Beirut Telegraph on August 6, 1948: "it is inconceivable that the refugees should be sent back to their homes while they are occupied by the Jews.... It would serve as a first step toward Arab recognition of the state of Israel and Partition."
Arab activist Musa Alami despaired: as he saw the problem, "how can people struggle for their nation, when most of them do not know the meaning of the word? ... The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination. . . ." According to Alami, ar indoctrination of the "myth" of nationality would create "identity" and "self-respect."
However, Alami's proposal was confounded by the realities: between 1948 and 1967, the Arab state of Jordan claimed annexation of the territory west of the Jordan River, the "West Bank" area of Palestine -- the same area that would later be forwarded by Arab "moderates" as a "mini-state" for the "Palestinians." Thus, that area was, between 1948 and 1967, called "Arab land," the peoples were Arabs, and yet the "myth" that Musa Alami prescribed-the cause of "Palestine" for the "Palestinians" -- remained unheralded, unadopted by the Arabs during two decades. According to Lord Caradon, "Every Arab assumed the Palestinians [refugees] would go back to Jordan."
When "Palestine" was referred to by the Arabs, it was viewed in the context of the intrusion of a "Jewish state amidst what the Arabs considered their own exclusive environment or milieu, the 'Arab region.' " As the late Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser "screamed" in 1956, "the imperialists' 'destruction of Palestine' " was "an attack on Arab nationalism," which " 'unites us from the Atlantic to the Gulf.' "
Ever since the 1967 Israeli victory, however, when the Arabs determined that they couldn't obliterate Israel militarily, they have skillfully waged economic, diplomatic, and propaganda war against Israel. This, Arabs reasoned, would take longer than military victory, but ultimately the result would be the same. Critical to the new tactic, however, was a device designed to whittle away at the sympathies of Israel's allies: what the Arabs envisioned was something that could achieve Israel's shrinking to indefensible size at the same time that she became insolvent.
This program was reviewed in 1971 by Mohamed Heikal, then still an important spokesman of Egypt's leadership in his post as editor of the influential, semi-official newspaper Al Ahram. Heikal called for a change of Arab rhetoric -- no more threats of "throwing Israel into the sea" -- and a new political strategy aimed at reducing Israel to indefensible borders and pushing her into diplomatic and economic isolation. He predicted that "total withdrawal" would "pass sentence on the entire state of Israel."
As a more effective means of swaying world opinion, the Arabs adopted humanitarian terminology in support of the "demands" of the "Palestinian refugees," to replace former Arab proclamations of carnage and obliteration. In Egypt, for example, in 1968 "the popularity of the Palestinians was rising," as a result of Israel's 1967 defeat of the Arabs and subsequent 1968 "Israeli air attacks inside Egypt."] It was as recently as 1970 that Egyptian President Nasser defined "Israel" as the cause of "the expulsion of the Palestinian people from their land." Although Nasser thus gave perfunctory recognition to the "Palestinian Arab" allegation, he was in reality preoccupied with the overall basic, pivotal Arab concern. As he continued candidly in the same sentence, Israel was "a permanent threat to the Arab nation." Later that year (May 1970), Nasser "formulated his rejection of a Jewish state in Palestine," but once again he stressed the "occupation of our [Pan-Arab] lands," while only secondarily noting: "And we reject its [Israel's] insistence on denying the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people in their country." Subsequently the Arabs have increased their recounting of the difficulties and travail of Arab refugees in the "host" countries adjacent to Israel. Photographs and accounts of life in refugee camps, as well as demands for the "legitimate" but unlimited and undefined "rights" of the "Palestinians," have flooded the communications media of the world in a subtle and adroit utilization of the art of professional public relations.
A prominent Arab Palestinian strategist, AI-Haytham Al-Ayubi, analyzed the efficacy of Arab propaganda tactics in 1974, when he wrote:
The image of Israel as a weak nation surrounded by enemies seeking its annihilation evaporated [after 1967], to be replaced by the image of an aggressive nation challenging world opinion.*
[* As Rosemary Sayigh wrote in the Journal of Palestine Studies, "a strongly defined Palestinian identity did not emerge until 1968, two decades after expulsion." It had taken twenty years to establish the "myth" prescribed by Musa Alami.]
The high visibility of the sad plight of the homeless refugees -- always tragic -- has uniquely attracted the world's compassion. In addition, the campaign has provided non-Arabs with moral rationalization for abiding by the Arabs' anti-Israel rules, which are regarded as prerequisites to getting Arab oil and the financial benefits from Arab oil wealth. Millions of dollars have been spent to exploit the Arab refugees and their repatriation as "the heart of the matter," as the primary human problem that must be resolved before any talk of overall peace with Israel.
Reflecting on the oil weapon's influence in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Al-Ayubi shrewdly observed:
The nations of western Europe condemned Israel's position despite their guarantee of her security and territorial integrity. They understood that European interests and their dependence upon sources of energy precluded their allowing themselves to incur Arab wrath.
Thus Al-Ayubi recommended sham "peace-talks," with the continuation, however, of the "state of 'no peace,'" and he advocated the maintaining of "moral pressure together with carefully-balanced military tension..." for the "success of the new Arab strategy." Because "loss of human life remains a sore point for the enemy," continual "guerrilla" activities can erode Israel's self-confidence and "the faith" of the world in the "Israeli policeman."
Al-Ayubi cited, as an example, "the success of Arab foreign policy maneuvers" in 1973, which was
so total that.... With the exception of the United States and the racist African governments, the entire world took either a neutral or pro-Arab position on the question of legality of restoring the occupied territories through any means -- including the use of military force.
As Al-Ayubi noted, "The basic Arab premise concerning 'the elimination of the results of aggression' remains accepted by the world." Thus the "noose" will be placed around the neck of the "Zionist entity."
But the Arabs' creation of the "myth" of nationality did not create the advantageous situation for the Palestinian Arabs that Musa Alami had hoped for. Instead, the conditions he complained of bitterly were perpetuated: the Arabs "shut the door" of citizenship "in their faces and imprison them in camps."
Khaled Al-Azm, who was Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war, deplored the Arab tactics and the subsequent exploitation of the refugees, in his 1972 memoirs:
Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes ....
Propaganda has successfully veered attention away from the Arab world's manipulation of its peoples among the refugee group on the one hand, and the number of those who now in fact possess Arab citizenship in many lands, on the other hand. The one notable exception is Jordan, where the majority of Arab refugees moved,* and where they are entitled to citizenship according to law, "unless they are Jews."
Palestinian leadership will not let the refugee problem be solved In 1958, former director of UNRWA Ralph Galloway declared angrily while in Jordan that
The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die.
Prittie, "Middle East Refugees," in Michael Curtis et al., eds., The Palestinians:
People, History, Politics (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Books, 1975), p. 71. Palestinians burn effigy of Canadian minister

January 17, 2001
Reuters
Palestinians burned an effigy of Canadian Foreign Minister John Manley on Thursday in a protest against Canada's offer to accept Palestinian refugees as part of a Middle East peace plan. Hooded gunmen fired into the air during the protest in Balata refugee camp near the West Bank town of Nablus and hundreds of demonstrators shouted slogans demanding the right of return to former homes. "We refuse resettlement of refugees," they shouted.
Manley told the Toronto Star newspaper in an interview published on January 10, "We are prepared to receive refugees. We are prepared to contribute to an international fund to assist with resettlement in support of a peace agreement." Manley said there had been no discussion on the number of refugees to be resettled outside the Middle East.
Canada heads the multilateral Refugee Working Group, a committee charged with trying to resolve the plight of Palestinian refugees.
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1. Habib Issa, ed., Al-Hoda, Arabic daily, June 8, 1951, New York; see Economist (London), May 15, 1948, regarding "panic flight"; also see Economist, October 2, 1948, for British eyewitness report of Arab Higher Committee radio "announcements" that were "urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit."
2. Near East Arabic Radio, April 3, 1948: "It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees to flee from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem, and that certain leaders . . . make political capital out of their miserable situation . . ." Cited by Anderson et al., "The Arab Refugee Problem and How It Can Be Solved," p. 22; for more regarding Arab responsibility, see Sir Alexander Cadogan, Ambassador of Great Britain to the United Nations, speech to the Security Council, S.C., O.R., 287th meeting, April 23, 1948; also see Harry Stebbens, British Port Officer stationed in Haifa, letter in Evening Standard (London), January 10, 1969.
3. April 28, 1948; according to the Economist (London), October 1, 1948, only "4000 to 6000" of the "62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa" remained there until the time of the war; also see Kenneth Bilby, New Star in the Near East (New York: Doubleday, 1950), pp. 30-31; Lt. Col. Moshe Pearlman, The Army of Israel (New York: Philosophical Library, 1950), pp. 116-17; and Major E. O'Ballance, The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 (London, 1956), p. 52.
4. David Shipler, New York Times, October 23, 1979, p. A3. Shipler cites Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre, 0 Jerusalem, and Dan Kurzman, Genesis 1948.
5. New York Times, October 23, 1979.
6. Yitzhak Rabin, The Rabin Memoirs (Boston and Toronto: Little, Brown, 1979), p. 23, pp. 22-44.
7. Peter Dodd and Halim Barakat, River Without Bridges.- A Study of the Exodus of the 1967Arab Palestinian Refugees (Beirut: Institute for Palestine Studies, 1969), p. 43; on April 27, 1950, the Arab National Committee of Haifa stated in a memorandum to the Arab States: "The removal of the Arab inhabitants ... was voluntary and was carried out at our request ... The Arab delegation proudly asked for the evacuation of the Arabs and their removal to the neighboring Arab countries.... We are very glad to state that the Arabs guarded their honour and traditions with pride and greatness." Cited by J.B. Schechtman, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York: Philosophical Library, 1952), pp. 8-9; also see Al-Zaman, Baghdad journal, April 27, 1950.
8. Musa Alami, "The Lesson of Palestine," The Middle East Journal, October 1949.
9. Lord Caradon, "Cyprus and Palestine," lecture at the University of Chicago, Center for Middle Eastern Studies, February 17, 1976. Similar statement by Folke Bernadotte, To Jerusalem, p. 113.
10. P.J. Vatikiotis, Nasser and His Generation (London: Croom Heim, 1978), pp. 256-57.
11. Ibid. p. 234, quoting a speech by Nasser at Suez, July 26, 1956; in 1952, Sheikh Pierre Gemayel, then leader of the Lebanese National Youth Organization "Al Kataeb," wrote: "Why should the refugees stay in Lebanon, and not in Egypt, Iraq and Jordan which claim that they are all Arab and beyond that, Moslem? ... Isn't it for that alone that these so-called nationalist elements are demanding to resettle the refugees in Lebanon because they are themselves Arab and Moslems?" Al-Hoda, Lebanese journal, January 3, 1952, cited in Schechtman, Arab Refugee Problem, p. 84; also see Ibrahim Abu-Lughod, "Quest for an Arab Future," in Arab Journal, 1966-67, vol. 4, nos. 2-4, pp. 23-29.
12. "Mohammed Hassanein Heykal Discusses War and Peace in the Middle East," Journal of Palestine Studies, Autumn 197 1. Heykal thus joined the Arab chorus heard after the 1967 war.
13. Vatikiotis, Nasser, p. 257; also see Mohamed Heikal, The Road to Ramadan (New York: Ballantine Books, 1975), p. 56.
14. Interview with Nasser, Le Monde (Paris: February 1970), cited in Vatikiotis, Nasser, p. 259.
15. Charles Foltz, interview with Nasser, U.S. News and World Report, May 1970, cited in Vatikiotis, Nasser, p. 259; see also Le Monde interview, February 1970.
16. contrary to the popular view ... in the West," a "great many refugees" were living out of camps "in comfortable housing outside," in the beginning of the 1960s according to Fawaz Turki, The Disinherited- Journal of a Palestinian Exile (New York and London: Monthly Review Press, 1972), p. 41.
17. Al-Haytham A]-Ayubi, "Future Arab Strategy in the Light of the Fourth War," Shuun Filastiniyya (Beirut), October 1974. AI-Ayubi, also called Abu-Hammam, has been military head of Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Lieutenant Colonel in the Syrian army, and highly respected strategist on Israel. He perceived the "guerrilla" war against Israel as the ultimately successful one.
18. Rosemary Sayigh, "Sources of Palestinian Nationalism: A Study of a Palestinian Camp in Lebanon," Journal of Palestinian Studies, vol. 6, no. 4, 1977, p. 2 1; see also Sayigh, "The Palestinian Identity Among Camp Residents," Journal of Palestinian Studia vol. 6, no. 3, 1977, pp. 3-22.
19. In 1981, the Organization of African Unity's executive secretary, Ambassador Oumarou Garba Youssoupou from Niger, reflected upon why the millions of displaced souls in Africa were not as visible: "We're not getting the publicity because of our culture. No refugee is turned away from the host countries, so we're not dramatic enough for television. We have no drownings, no piratings.... We don't make the news ... .. Aiding Africa's Refugees," by Gertrude Samuels, The New Leader, May 4, 1981.
20. AI-Ayubi, "Future Arab Strategy in the Light of the Fourth War."
21. Musa Alami, "The Lesson of Palestine," The Middle East Journal, October 1949.
22. Khaled Al-Azm, Memoirs [Arabic), 3 vols. (AI-Dar al Muttahida Id-Nashr, 1972), vol. 1, pp. 386-87, cited by Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jewsfrom Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, preliminary edition (Jerusalem: World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries [WOJAC], 1975), p. 61.
23. Jordanian National Law, Official Gazette, No. 1171, February 16, 1954, p. 105, Article 3(3). Between 1948 and 1967, 200,000 to 300,000 Arabs moved from the West Bank to the "East Bank," according to Eliyahu Kanovsky, in Jordan, People and Politics in the Middle East, Michael Curtis, ed. (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Books, 1971), p. 111.

Firstly please don’t plagerise, and waste so much forum space, secondly I stopped reading at this lie:

Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel,

Once a liar always a liar, so the rest is B.S.

Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel,


...And can even become Israeli PM if they run.

...And can even become Israeli PM if they run.

Yet have virtually no land rights…live in squalor, and are shunned by Israeli society. I see…South Africa revisted.

The Arabs who live in Israel proper are 100% full citizens of the State with full rights of citizenship!



Of the six million people living in Israel, about one million are Arab Israelis who have full citizenship rights. This population is comprised of Bedouins, Druze and Palestinians Arabs whose families chose to remain in Israel after 1948. There are a number of Arab representatives in Israel's parliament, the Knesset. Because of continuing security issues, Palestinian Arabs are not conscripted into the army. Bedouins may volunteer and Druze Arabs are conscripted by their own choice.

While there are cities such as Haifa and Akko where Jewish and Arab Israelis live together, most Arab Israelis live in their own villages, towns or neighborhoods. Until college, they are educated in separate schools. There is clearly a disparity of opportunity, and correcting this is on the agenda of many Israeli officials as well as the worldwide Jewish community.

There are numerous examples of co-existence programs which bring Jewish and Arab neighbors together to learn about one another. Many are supported by grants from American Jewish communities including own Jewish Community Federation.

The Arabs who live in Israel proper are 100% full citizens of the State with full rights of citizenship!

Then you should have no problem explaining this to me:

About one million Palestinians live in Israel as citizens of the country. They can vote but limited property rights. About 175,000 have had their property confiscated. They in enclaves with an unemployment rate 66 percent higher then the Israeli average. When the new intifada started in the Occupied Territories, there was some unrest in Palestinians areas of Israel. Israeli authorities stopped it at the cost of 13 Palestinian deaths and many injuries.(Smith 66)


Stop lying, stop living in a dream world.

More EXCUSES???


Kashmiri child abuse

Motivated by jihad to pick up guns. From the India Times, with thanks to Nicolei: JAMMU: The Indian Army claims to be confronting a new problem along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir - teenaged militants.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/799405.cms

Bloody Islamo "peaceful" Arab Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

Kiwi answer my question please, your lies have been exposed. Your almost as good as a Jihadist!

Are they lies, or just more of only showing bias evidence?

Tell me then what did I write in that passage that was bias?

Tell me then what did I write in that passage that was bias?
You wanna claim that your BLIND propaganda against victim Israel infested with so many lies [sickening how you call them "facts"...] are not even bias???
It reminds us of those Arab Muslim Propganadists calling for the UK to be "even handed"...LOL.

More Excuses in Iraq


Iraq Church Bombs Response to 'Crusader War' - Claim

Evil, corruption, immorality, and ... evangelization. Books about the Holocaust. And all this blessed by the Pope, yet. Never mind that he has spoken out consistently against the war. Why let facts stand in the way of paranoia? It's all no doubt part of a huge Zionist plan of deception. From Reuters: (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20040802/wl_nm/security_iraq_church_dc)

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (Reuters) - A group in Iraq claimed responsibility Monday for a series of church bombs this weekend in a statement posted on a Web site, saying they were a response to the U.S. "crusader war" and evangelization.


"You wanted a crusader war, so these are the results. ... We warned you," the statement by a little-known Islamist group calling itself the Planning and Follow-Up Organization in Iraq said on a site where a number of claims have been posted in recent weeks.

"We were able Sunday to direct several painful strikes at the dens of evil, corruption, immorality and evangelization."

Iraq accused al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi earlier Monday of carrying out the coordinated bombings, saying the militants wanted to drive Christians out of the country....

Car bombs Sunday hit at least five churches in Iraq, including four in Baghdad. Police defused two more bombs outside other churches, one in Baghdad and the other in Mosul. The attacks killed at least 11 people and wounded 55.

"America didn't only occupy and militarily sweep Muslim countries, it also set up hundreds of evangelization organizations and printed books about the Holocaust and distributed them in Muslim countries to wrench Muslims from their religion and make them Christians," the statement said.

"The wars now in Iraq and Afghanistan are hateful crusader wars against Muslims by America and its minions, with the blessing of the Pope who has the leaders of America between his hands like slaves," it said.



Of course it's easy for Islamo Arab Militant Fascists to pick on the little minority http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm "infidels" in the middle east, but we know they mean all of us,,,


Bloody Islamo "peaceful" Arab Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?

I noticed Goofyfish did a lot of deleting here while I was gone.

I would say let off the claims of who is a lier and insulting.

Undecided,

My pointing of bias was not on you, I was saying that perhaps Kiwi123's claims are not lies, just bias evidence. that the evidence he presents is obviosuly one sided.

What flag/cover will Jihadi murderers fly when palestinian arabs get their own state... (as soon as they stop violence of course)?

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Kashmiri child abuse

Motivated by jihad to pick up guns. From the India Times, with thanks to Nicolei: JAMMU: The Indian Army claims to be confronting a new problem along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir - teenaged militants.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/799405.cms

Bloody Islamo "peaceful" Arab Militant terrorist bastards! When will this stop?
It will stop only when arab muslims will change, fundamentally their education system, media, HATE SERMONS (!!!) and textbooks.

Because the Arabist media is brainwashing us.


this was posted quite a long time ago but i had to bring it up. Kiwi what the hells wrong with you? AraB media? Zionists own all the media so what are u on. Arabs arent smart enough for their own media

like the Text books of Zionism or the zionist interpretation of the Torah that wants all of the Middle East as greater Israel.

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