BLOODY CHRISTIAN LEGACY

Christianity as a whole has in fact championed in hatred and bloodshed: Crusaders, Inquizition, WW1, WW2 (and Hitler was no Muslim, Remember?), Joseph Stalin that murderd 50,000,000 was an Ordained Priest, KKK, Neo Nazis, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

LOOK TO THE HISTORY AT THE CHRISTIANIZATION OF THE WORLD:

SOUTH AMERICA / THE INCA / THE MAYA, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
EUROPE: THE "holy" INQUISITION, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
NAZI-TIME IN GERMANY / AND EUROPE, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE CROSS AND SWASTIKA!

OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE AGAINST HIS PEOPLE'S COMITTING GENOCIDE?
OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE FOR ALL THE BLOOD FOR THE CROSS TODAY: YUGOSLAVIA / IRAQ / AFGHANISTAN, etc.

TO BE FAIR TO HISTORY, THE POPES IN ALL THE CENTURIES HAVE BEEN RATHER ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN GENOCIDE.

For every Nail at the Cross, I can give you Millions of killed, tortured, by Christians upon Muslims and on others, in the name of that Jesus of yours.


Allahuakbar!


Allahuakbar!

Jesus Christ ... you fuckin' retard. Stalin was an atheist. He did attend an Orthodox seminary as a teenager, but quickly and proudly abandoned that career path. Under his reign, the Orthodox Church was banned.

Oh, and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Muslim figure, had no problem allying with Hitler.

Furthermore, as a Muslim fanatic, how can you even pretend to hate a man who killed Jews?

well, this is cesspool bound as soon as james comes online

"Allahuakbar!"
uh mecca, this is an english speaking thread, if you write something in another language, no-one will understand you

Jesus Christ ... you fuckin' retard.
Whom you are swearing at.?! Jesus or PM-2.?
Stalin was an atheist. He did attend an Orthodox seminary as a teenager, but quickly and proudly abandoned that career path.
Stalin made it out. Rasputin remained. May be socres of others, with smililar attitude but might not be as 'lucky' as Stalin, not only in Russia. Imagine what would be going on..!! :D

"Whom you are swearing at.?! Jesus or PM-2.?"

i think he was swearing at PM-2, tho i think mecca is actually PM-5 or 6

dammit, how come PM has a fanclub and i dont :'(

Whom you are swearing at.?! Jesus or PM-2.?

Heh ... my apologies for rampant profanity.

Stalin made it out. Rasputin remained. May be socres of others, with smililar attitude but might not be as 'lucky' as Stalin, not only in Russia. Imagine what would be going on..!! :D

Castro attended a Jesuit high school.

I thought Castro was an advocate earlier. Anyway, Castro does not seem to have 'similar attitude', like that of Stalin.

BLOODY CHRISTIAN LEGACY

Christianity as a whole has in fact championed in hatred and bloodshed: Crusaders, Inquizition, WW1, WW2 (and Hitler was no Muslim, Remember?), Joseph Stalin that murderd 50,000,000 was an Ordained Priest, KKK, Neo Nazis, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

At least Christianity was peaceful for its first 300 years. Unlike Islam which was born with its twin brothers Terrorism and Violence. Mohammed was a terrorist. Your first 4 caliphs were terrorists. 2 of whom were repaid in blood by fellow muslims.

Cripes! These stupid trolls are everywhere. Be they anti-Muslim or pro-Muslim trolls. We're being overrun...

And Mecca, for your information, genocide has occured in most societies on this planet. Be they in Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Athiest, etc societies. Have Christians in the past and present done things to be ashamed of or things of disgust. Sure. But then so have all other groups or religions that exist on this planet.

terrorist

You probably mean freedom fighther. That is the politically correct term nowadays.

Oh lets face it. In the current political air, anyone can be a terrorist. If you disagree with the Government, you can be classified as a terrorist sympathiser. If you protest against the Government, you can be classified as a terrorist or sympathiser. If your fart smells funny you can be classified as a terrorist for noxious gas attack. The term terrorist has now become so broad that one doesn't have to have done anything or caused any harm to be seen to be a terrorist.

is that because everybody is terrified of everything?

i dont see how you all have a prob telling the diff
if he has a beard, he is called a terrorist, if he doesn't then hes a freedom fighter

Perhaps I should go and shave my beard off? :confused:

Yeah, most probably yeah. In Australia, we've had to contend to a stupid Government spending millions to send 'how to be safe' and 'how to spot a potential terrorist' letters and ads. I've seen a middle eastern looking man visiting a park here with his family, filming his family walking up to the park gates, be approached by security and soon after his camera was packed away, while other patrons to the park were taking photos and filming to their hearts content. This poor guy was out for the day with his wife and 2 kids, not doing anything wrong. The only thing he did wrong was look middle eastern. He was spotted by the now more aware public and all the scared fools rushed to security to report that a possible terrorist was scoping out the place. It was sea world. I mean honestly, how stupid can you be?

This is the type of scare tactics pushed upon us by the Government. We have all become scared of everything. And the public sphere is only ensuring that we stay scared of everything. That poor guy and his family at sea world were so embarrassed. I last saw them watching one of the dolphin shows and while everyone else was filming, this guy wasn't because he was probably too scared to in case people thought he was a terrorist out to bomb the dolphins.

Mecca, using your logic I can call Islam a bloody religion -- "Osama Bin Ladin was a muslim, therefore all muslims are bloody and bad!" Seriously, just because someone calls themself a member of a certain religion does not, in any way, mean they represent it.

OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE FOR ALL THE BLOOD FOR THE CROSS TODAY: YUGOSLAVIA / IRAQ / AFGHANISTAN, etc.

You retard, the war in Iraq is not a holy war on our side, only yours. What has islam done to stop the terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan? NOTHING. And reguardless of what you think of Iraq, Afghanistan was harboring terrorists before we blew most of them up.

And please, followers of the Proud Muslim cult -- stop coming up with these "bash the christian" threads and then preach how tollerant you are. Seriously, if you want to read one there are about 400 on this forum you can go read.

I thought Castro was an advocate earlier. Anyway, Castro does not seem to have 'similar attitude', like that of Stalin.

No, but they both have the irony of recieving Christian education prior to become atheist dictators.

Hey ddovala, I would not try to reason with Mecca. He is not a serious member, in fact, it looks like he is only imaginary. :D

"In Australia, we've had to contend to a stupid Government spending millions to send 'how to be safe' and 'how to spot a potential terrorist' letters and ads"

spent millions and i didnt even get one!!!, such a shame

"Perhaps I should go and shave my beard off?"
you have a beard??? everyone, lets get him, hes a terrorist

I've seen a middle eastern looking man visiting a park here with his family, filming his family walking up to the park gates, be approached by security and soon after his camera was packed away, while other patrons to the park were taking photos and filming to their hearts content. This poor guy was out for the day with his wife and 2 kids, not doing anything wrong. The only thing he did wrong was look middle eastern. He was spotted by the now more aware public and all the scared fools rushed to security to report that a possible terrorist was scoping out the place. It was sea world. I mean honestly, how stupid can you be?


Better safe than sorry, I suppose. Security & safety had always been a trade off with freedom & respect. The greater blame here goes to the muslim terrorists.

The greater blame here goes to the muslim terrorists.
you mean al-queda
you mean the surviving members of al-queda

Heh Alain. I got 3 different ones. A letter, a calender and a brochure. I sent all three back with a charming message to the PM on each one. :D Funnily enough, they haven't sent me any more of them. I wonder why :D . I'm sure the money they spent on the 'spot the terrorist' campaigns could have been better spent elsewhere. I can think of education and health to name just a few.

DoctorNO, why am I not suprised that you would say such a thing. :rolleyes:

Dear Mecca,

For the sake of real Mecca, please change your user name ; otherwise your holiest city would be downgraded whenever you are being called by not-so-pleasant-names which i foresee from your post. By Allah, change your user name at once.

DoctorNO, why am I not suprised that you would say such a thing. :rolleyes:

Here in Canada sleeper terrorists have been convicted that otherwise looked like your average muslim neighbor.

Here in america terrorists have been convinced that otherwise looked like your average Canadian.

Heh Persol, that just made me choke on my orange...

Here in america terrorists have been convinced that otherwise looked like your average Canadian.

Ahh free trade. We import terrorists and export them to you guys. :D

I've been trying for centurys to get humankind to anilate it self.
so all religions will have a dark history

Hey guys, don´t take those sleepers and terrorist in your countries too hard, we also had (and supposedly have) some of them here in Germany. We even got a self-declared Calif in Cologne.

About The PReacher, if he thinks himself to be the devil, you should at least expect him to write "annihilate" correctly. :p

Let's all follow Islam -- the only religion whose founding prophet forced people to convert to their beliefs through violence. At least all the violent acts of other religions were caused by their idiotic followers many years after their founding prophets death. But yes, let's all follow Mohammed the war-monger! :)

- N

About The PReacher, if he thinks himself to be the devil, you should at least expect him to write "annihilate" correctly.

Nah, that's probably part of his whole devilish plans. You know how irritable and much of an uproar is caused due to improper spellings. ;)

- N

BLOODY CHRISTIAN LEGACY

Christianity as a whole has in fact championed in hatred and bloodshed: Crusaders, Inquizition, WW1, WW2 (and Hitler was no Muslim, Remember?), Joseph Stalin that murderd 50,000,000 was an Ordained Priest, KKK, Neo Nazis, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

LOOK TO THE HISTORY AT THE CHRISTIANIZATION OF THE WORLD:

SOUTH AMERICA / THE INCA / THE MAYA, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
EUROPE: THE "holy" INQUISITION, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
NAZI-TIME IN GERMANY / AND EUROPE, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE CROSS AND SWASTIKA!

OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE AGAINST HIS PEOPLE'S COMITTING GENOCIDE?
OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE FOR ALL THE BLOOD FOR THE CROSS TODAY: YUGOSLAVIA / IRAQ / AFGHANISTAN, etc.

TO BE FAIR TO HISTORY, THE POPES IN ALL THE CENTURIES HAVE BEEN RATHER ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN GENOCIDE.

For every Nail at the Cross, I can give you Millions of killed, tortured, by Christians upon Muslims and on others, in the name of that Jesus of yours.


Allahuakbar!


Allahuakbar!

Hello mecca :)
This is going to amaze you mecca but true Christians have never fought and killed anyone in war.

If you agree that a true muslim follows the word of muhammad.

Then you would agree that a true Christian follows the Word of Messiah Jesus. Yes or No?

I am sure you do not believe in the Words of Jesus as written in the Christian Scriptures, but you would have to agree that those Words of Jesus written there are what true Christians would follow and obey right?

So with that in mind let me quote what it says:

Matthew 5: 43-48

43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


Matthew 5:38-39

38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

Matthew 26:52
But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

Now these are all the Words of Jesus as recorded in the Christian bible. I think you will agree anyone who truly followed these teachings (irrespective of their truth or not) would not take part in war and kill their enemies.

The Bible also contains other rightings that back up the Words of Jesus:

Romans 12
19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."

Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

Revelation 13:10
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

So not everyone who says "i am a Christian" is one. messa true Christians take no part in war with swords, guns and bombs we fight with the Word Of God with the truth.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[QUOTE=Adstar]Hello mecca :)
[I]This is going to amaze you mecca but true Christians have never fought and killed anyone in war.
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M*W: What is your evidence for this preposterous statement? What Mecca says is true. "Christians" have been lying since Jesus escaped the crucifiction!
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Adstar: Then you would agree that a true Christian follows the "Word of Messiah Jesus. Yes or No?
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M*W: This may come as a shock to you, Adstar, but the "Word of Messiah Jesus" doesn't even exist. The "words" you refer to were written by or commissioned by Saul/Paul. Jesus never wrote anything of his own. The closest truth to what Jesus may have said most likely could be found in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Thomas, or many other texts that were INTENTIONALLY NOT INCLUDED in the creation of the Bible.
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Adstar: I am sure you do not believe in the Words of Jesus as written in the Christian Scriptures, but you would have to agree that those Words of Jesus written there are what true Christians would follow and obey right?
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M*W: There is no evidence to prove that Jesus said anything that was put in the NT. Therefore, these "words" you refer to, don't exist except through the mouthpiece of Paul or his Gospel writers. Christians who follow what Paul wrote or had written are NOT Jesus' words! They are Paul's words, because Paul had never met Jesus. In fact, the Jesus of Paul's writings probably didn't exist because this character was a combination of Pagan deities. (See Mithraism, Osiris, Isis and Horus, Adonis, Attis, et. al.). If you read through the other threads in this forum, you can find out all about the creation of this Jesus character from pagan mythology.
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Adstar: So not everyone who says "i am a Christian" is one. messa true Christians take no part in war with swords, guns and bombs we fight with the Word Of God with the truth.
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M*W: You're deriving this fallacious belief from your own interpretation of the NT. You say the people who took "no part in war with swords, guns and bombs" were not "true Christians." Did you know the percentage of the worlds' Christian population is now down to about 25%? That means the rest of the world's population makes up the other 75%. So out of the 25% of "true Christians" left in the world who refuse to fight with "swords, guns and bombs" probably eliminate another 24% of the remaining Christians. That means that there is only about 1% of "true Christians" left in the world today. That's just an estimate. It could be less than 1%. As fast as Christianity is declining worldwide, something tells me that there may be NO "true Christians left."

Allahuakbar!

Allah Hookah Bar to you too.

Hey guys, don´t take those sleepers and terrorist in your countries too hard, we also had (and supposedly have) some of them here in Germany. We even got a self-declared Calif in Cologne.

Yes, well here in Australia they went a step further than not taking them seriously. One, what could be classified as a sleeper terrorist who was quietly planning to blow up Jewish targets from instructions from JI and OBL, didn't feel too good with what was going on and what he knew OBL was planning and to alleviate his guilt and because he felt wrong with what he knew was being planned, he tried to secretly contact the federal police to tell them what he knew.. pre 9/11 and Bali... and the federal police never returned his calls. Now that's what I call 'don't take them seriously'. :eek:

He's now pleaded guilty to terrorist charges and the feds, who failed to return his calls for more than 2 years, sleep well at night with the knowledge that they had a person who knew what was going to happen and who was planning what and where and was trying to tell them without letting on to Al Qaeda and JI that he'd changed his mind... and they failed to return those phone calls. Now how f@cked up is that?

I meant don´t take it too hard that you got sleepers and terrorist in your country. We also got some guys who supposedly helped with the occurance on 9/11.

I did not mean you should not take them serious.

Kudos to Adstar!!!

(Turns to Medicine Woman) Ahem... Troll.

At least Christianity was peaceful for its first 300 years. Unlike Islam which was born with its twin brothers Terrorism and Violence. Mohammed was a terrorist. Your first 4 caliphs were terrorists. 2 of whom were repaid in blood by fellow muslims.




Cristians were peaceful in the begining coz nobody liked it ther were so little following cristainity u cant make an army with little ppl how many cristians were killed in rome but did the cowards(cristians) do any thing
MUSLIMS HAVE BRAVERY TO PROTECT AND BE PROTECTED

Let's all follow Islam -- the only religion whose founding prophet forced people to convert to their beliefs through violence. At least all the violent acts of other religions were caused by their idiotic followers many years after their founding prophets death. But yes, let's all follow Mohammed the war-monger! :)

- N


Who the shit(dog or other) are u to say this where is the ***** proof u got that testifies P MUHAMMED used to convert others to islam by force
Ther were so many ppl in mecca of different religions they made money through trade nothing happened to them
PLEASE DONT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATION ON THE PROPHET

MUSLIMS HAVE BRAVERY TO PROTECT AND BE PROTECTED

Could you specify bravery a bit. Because this sentence rather sounds like you have nothing to protect, because bravery is as superficial as a hollywood flick.

What is muslim bravery?

Why must you protect bravery?

Isn't bravery selfprotecting or selfdestructing and hence cannot require the presence of protection.

Who the shit(dog or other) are u to say this where is the ***** proof u got that testifies P MUHAMMED to convert others to islam

Read the rules of this forum. I do not believe these kind of personal attacks are allowed or welcomed. Rule No. 2. Personal comments (are not allowed)


Ther were so many ppl in mecca of different religions they made money through trade nothing happened to them

Where are they now then?


PLEASE DONT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATION ON THE PROPHET

Lose the capitals. This is not drama 101.

Allah Hookah Bar to you too.


ALLAHUAKBER means god is great if u dont think that then ur a shit of the old block

MUSLIMS HAVE BRAVERY TO PROTECT AND BE PROTECTED

I do not really understand this sentence. The part about "Bravery to protect" is easy, but bravery about being protected? What is so brave about being protected? Could somebody clarify this?

I do not really understand this sentence. The part about "Bravery to protect" is easy, but bravery about being protected? What is so brave about being protected? Could somebody clarify this?


The person who is protecting u has bravery

"ALLAHUAKBER means god is great if u dont think that then ur a shit of the old block"

right, so have you learnt from your mistake? next time, say God is great, most people here dont speak arabic

Al hussein, you cannot prove that God exists, you cannot prove that he is good, sane, not-masochistic, or anything about him
i know plenty of non-religious people who are much nicer then you

Cristians were peaceful in the begining coz nobody liked it ther were so little following cristainity u cant make an army with little ppl how many cristians were killed in rome but did the cowards(cristians) do any thing

You would make so much sense if you used some form of punctuation. You claim they were cowards for being killed? I consider a person who straps a bomb to his/her body and blow up innocent people to be a cowardly act. Be they Christian or Muslim. But then that's just me. There is no cowardice in death. If you've ever seen someone die, you'd know this.

And now onto this little point, which to me makes no sense whatsoever. First you say this:

MUSLIMS HAVE BRAVERY TO PROTECT AND BE PROTECTED
And then you say this:
The person who is protecting u has bravery
So therefore by your definition, the person who is protected by the protector is not brave? That totally scratches out what you said in the first place, doesn't it? Because in your first point, you state that Muslims must have bravery to not just protect, but to be protected. You haven't made any sense at all.

You don't need to be brave to protect. It's kind of instinctive to be protective. Ask any parent who's child is in danger and you'll see. The parent could be the biggest wimp, but if they see their child is in danger, then they will protect that child out of instinct.

And hussein, it is not just Muslims who are brave. Most people are brave when the need arises.

Cristians were peaceful in the begining coz nobody liked it ther were so little following cristainity u cant make an army with little ppl how many cristians were killed in rome but did the cowards(cristians) do any thing

actually, Jesus said that the Kingdom of God was not of this world, until the Roman Empire under Constantine declared otherwise. Then for about 1400 years it became just like islam; forced conversions, fight with the sword, kill infidels, sharia-like laws, jihads (called Crusades), religious clerics controlling government, traditions of men foised as from God, etc...
The "Enlightenment" changed that in most of Europe

funny, how islam & chrisitianity look at martyrs; islam as 'fighters' onto death,
Christians as "believers" onto death

so, you like it when Christians fight you, at least they live & die as men, right?
is that what you are saying?

ALLAHUAKBER means god is great

if u dont think that then ur a shit of the old block
I thought it meant "allah is greater"; you know, greater than all the little 'allah's', like his daughters (Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah), & the other shrine gods of arabia at the time of Mohammad. isn't 'allah is great" another word?

http://i-cias.com/e.o/dhikr.htm

I like your cursing, it makes a twisted bit of sense (I've had to walk a few dogs in my life), but are you sure that calling people names will let them know they are so wrong? or that they have lost the argument? or what ever you mean by that?

The "bloody Christian legacy", as you call it, is the actions of the Christian extremists called the Medieval church, as well as those (like Hitler, for example) who twist the bible to make it support their ends.

There is no such thing as a bloody Christian. There are plenty of bloody hypocrites, but being a Christian means loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, serving someone else, being faithful and thankful, and persevering through tough times.

Don't interpret the evil of some as the beliefs of others. We are constantly told by Muslims worldwide that Osama bin Laden is an extremist. But ALLAH FORBID Pope Urban II (from the time of the crusades) was an extremist as well. Not at all. He was indeed the most true Christian out there.

Come on man be sensible.

Another propaganda thread... :(

Another propaganda thread... :(

Ok serious question....

Why do Muslims judge our morals, (Americans) - not Christians in general but Americans. Especially when it comes to anything about sex.... Mohammed married a 6 year old girl , and was having sex with her at age 9. In todays world this is considered a crime. Is it not considered a crime in your world now ? If not , you have no right to judge anyone who does not follow your faith. NONE AT ALL. And if it is considered a crime in your world now, your no more hypocritical then the rest of the world. So how can anyone take any religion seriously when you all are hypocrites ??

Someone really needs to explain this one to me... And saying...... " well back then times were different" . That's just more hypocrisy.

Please someone explain.

You really can't and that's one of many huge flaws of Islam's theological concepts.

You really can't and that's one of many huge flaws of Islam's theological concepts.

Guess your right, not one Muslim even cares to try and explain it.

Bump.......

Hello,
I usually dont respond to threads that bash religions(i am muslim but i wouldnt respond to christian bashing threads either) but you asked a question for a muslim to answer so i will. Yes the Prophet(saws) married Aisha when she was 6 and concemated(sp?) the marriage when she was 9. Back in the "olden" days people married much younger girls as soon as the got their menstral cycle because that meant they could have kids. Aisha was the daughter of the Prophets best friend and his marriage to his daughter showed solidarity between the 2 to show that they were family.The Prophet waited untill she recieved her menstral cycle(age 9) before he concemated the relationship. It may sound sick or whatever nowadays but it was a common practice in those days not just in the middle east but in the whole world. Well if you want to flame me or my answer that is fine but that is the truth....peace

Hello,
I usually dont respond to threads that bash religions(i am muslim but i wouldnt respond to christian bashing threads either) but you asked a question for a muslim to answer so i will. Yes the Prophet(saws) married Aisha when she was 6 and concemated(sp?) the marriage when she was 9. Back in the "olden" days people married much younger girls as soon as the got their menstral cycle because that meant they could have kids. Aisha was the daughter of the Prophets best friend and his marriage to his daughter showed solidarity between the 2 to show that they were family.The Prophet waited untill she recieved her menstral cycle(age 9) before he concemated the relationship. It may sound sick or whatever nowadays but it was a common practice in those days not just in the middle east but in the whole world. Well if you want to flame me or my answer that is fine but that is the truth....peace
Hmm interesting. I read in several articles in the last couple of months especially, that Aisha was a lot older than 6 when she was married to Mohammed. I too used to think that she married when she was 6 years of age, but the articles I read about the issue of late have pointed me in another direction. So which is correct? :confused:

And whether she did or didn't, well while it may be considered to be a deplorable act by today's standards, it was indeed common practice in the past for a girl to be promised and then married when she was still a small child, and the marriage not consumated until she menstruates. It was especially so in Asian countries, as well as in the Middle East and Africa. However the practice was also known to occur in many other countries as well all over the world. The sad thing is that it is still practiced today in some societies and some tribes around the world. In one country that shall remain nameless and in a particular sect of a particular religion (which shall remain nameless but it is not Christian or Muslim), young girls are sent to a church leader when she reaches a certain age (I think around 8 or 9 if memory serves me well), and there the priests of that church and his aids have sex with her. She is then sent back to the family where celebrations ensue because she has been blessed. If the girl refuses or runs away, the family is shamed and abused by the village and they must pay the priests large sums of money to buy back the blessings and for forgiveness. I have seen images of those girl's faces when they are returned to their families and the looks in their eyes are tragic. They are then seen to have become women and the family can therefore plan a marriage for her. The Government of this country are striving to outlaw it, but it is a tribal and religious custom for these particular people living in this area and almost impossible to police. The practice continues today. Such practices (or similar practices) are also been known to occur in other countries as well for cultural or religious reasons.

So for those of you who feel so offended about the customs of people so long in the past, maybe you could start doing something to help the young girls who are suffering such practices in today's society. If you wish to really help, then contact your local human rights organisations and they can help you do something to help some child out there who is being abused in similar ways.

BLOODY CHRISTIAN LEGACY

Christianity as a whole has in fact championed in hatred and bloodshed: Crusaders, Inquizition, WW1, WW2 (and Hitler was no Muslim, Remember?), Joseph Stalin that murderd 50,000,000 was an Ordained Priest, KKK, Neo Nazis, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

LOOK TO THE HISTORY AT THE CHRISTIANIZATION OF THE WORLD:

SOUTH AMERICA / THE INCA / THE MAYA, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
EUROPE: THE "holy" INQUISITION, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE "holy" CROSS!
NAZI-TIME IN GERMANY / AND EUROPE, BLOOD - BLOOD FOR THE CROSS AND SWASTIKA!

OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE AGAINST HIS PEOPLE'S COMITTING GENOCIDE?
OR WHAT HAS THE POPE DONE FOR ALL THE BLOOD FOR THE CROSS TODAY: YUGOSLAVIA / IRAQ / AFGHANISTAN, etc.

TO BE FAIR TO HISTORY, THE POPES IN ALL THE CENTURIES HAVE BEEN RATHER ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN GENOCIDE.

For every Nail at the Cross, I can give you Millions of killed, tortured, by Christians upon Muslims and on others, in the name of that Jesus of yours.


Allahuakbar!


Allahuakbar!Christianity isn't meant to be bloody, the individual is meant to understand the message and follow the good advices that comes from it. You can't blame christianity because some people are cruel and murderers. Though as everything else in this world, if there are people with different oppinions, then it will eventually be bloodshed, though the message of Christ had to come anyway. Other religions also have had bloodshed, the only way to avoid it, is that each individual take responsibility and "love each one as they love themselves" - does that sound bloody to you? What almost any religion strives for is peace and calm, good deeds etc. That some people misinterpret the message or do these deeds for other purpouses isn't the fault of christianity, it is the fault of the individual man.

Good point Cyperium.

Hmm interesting. I read in several articles in the last couple of months especially, that Aisha was a lot older than 6 when she was married to Mohammed. I too used to think that she married when she was 6 years of age, but the articles I read about the issue of late have pointed me in another direction. So which is correct? :confused:

And whether she did or didn't, well while it may be considered to be a deplorable act by today's standards, it was indeed common practice in the past for a girl to be promised and then married when she was still a small child, and the marriage not consumated until she menstruates. It was especially so in Asian countries, as well as in the Middle East and Africa. However the practice was also known to occur in many other countries as well all over the world. The sad thing is that it is still practiced today in some societies and some tribes around the world. In one country that shall remain nameless and in a particular sect of a particular religion (which shall remain nameless but it is not Christian or Muslim), young girls are sent to a church leader when she reaches a certain age (I think around 8 or 9 if memory serves me well), and there the priests of that church and his aids have sex with her. She is then sent back to the family where celebrations ensue because she has been blessed. If the girl refuses or runs away, the family is shamed and abused by the village and they must pay the priests large sums of money to buy back the blessings and for forgiveness. I have seen images of those girl's faces when they are returned to their families and the looks in their eyes are tragic. They are then seen to have become women and the family can therefore plan a marriage for her. The Government of this country are striving to outlaw it, but it is a tribal and religious custom for these particular people living in this area and almost impossible to police. The practice continues today. Such practices (or similar practices) are also been known to occur in other countries as well for cultural or religious reasons.

So for those of you who feel so offended about the customs of people so long in the past, maybe you could start doing something to help the young girls who are suffering such practices in today's society. If you wish to really help, then contact your local human rights organisations and they can help you do something to help some child out there who is being abused in similar ways.




Thnx Bells :) ,

Actually I dont know how old Aisha was its not in the Koran or Hadith so frankly i dont dwell on it. Common Historians say her age and I dont hear Muslim historians debate it so I tend to take it as true. However they could be like me and think that if its not in the Koran then they find it irrlevant especially since it was common practice in those days.......peace

Thanx for the replies guys, and it really comes down to hypocrisy once again. So I ask how can any one group of people judge anothers , when all parties invollved are hypocrites ?

In todays world we dont have sex with girls when they reach their menstrual cycles ( I know they all come at different times) , but we dont because we all know mentaly these girls are not ready for that. Regardless of what happens inside their bodies. This is acutally a good case against any revealed relgion as we know it. This is why we differ from every other creature on the planet. Even though our bodies are prepared to reproduce at such a young age... we shun such activities cause we know mentally we are not ready.

Now if say we all live in a tribe somewhere and a young girl and a young boy , do whats natural, you know go behind the bushes and all....I say hey its cool , its natural, but for a adult man to do this to a young girl, well.... thats just not right and is being cruel. Such a man is of no honor or dignity, and should be punished for his actions. Hey but thats just me. Am I making any sense ?

people, please, can we be a little scientific here..... :bugeye:

where does Islam give the impression of itself to be violent and bloody!!

If your using those AlQaeda maniacs as example, then don't foreget that most of their victims are muslim, and at the begining they were backed by some western countries to be what they are now, the new thing is that they've started to kill non-muslims now as well!!

About the prophet Muhammad, if you call protecting his communian in Madina violance, or his mutual protection agreements with the jews ( which they failed to live up to ) terrorism, or his commandments not to harm other peoples lives, land, places of worship, property, etc.. destruction
then, I hold these characteristics high, and excuse me if i do so :cool:

Yes, a lot of people through history did give the impression that Islam is violent and seeks to control the world, but they were using Islam for their purposes and remember that most victims of their violence were fellow muslims, I don't think any religion would call it's followers to kill each other, it is only logical...........

people, please, can we be a little scientific here..... :bugeye:

where does Islam give the impression of itself to be violent and bloody!!

If your using those AlQaeda maniacs as example, then don't foreget that most of their victims are muslim, and at the begining they were backed by some western countries to be what they are now, the new thing is that they've started to kill non-muslims now as well!!

About the prophet Muhammad, if you call protecting his communian in Madina violance, or his mutual protection agreements with the jews ( which they failed to live up to ) terrorism, or his commandments not to harm other peoples lives, land, places of worship, property, etc.. destruction
then, I hold these characteristics high, and excuse me if i do so :cool:

Yes, a lot of people through history did give the impression that Islam is violent and seeks to control the world, but they were using Islam for their purposes and remember that most victims of their violence were fellow muslims, I don't think any religion would call it's followers to kill each other, it is only logical...........

Do Muslims in this day and age marry girls at age 6 ? , Do they have sex with them at age 9 ? Don't give me the typical BS times were different...... do Muslims do this today ??? And if they do , or if they condone it..... they are no more hypocritical then anyone else...... I ask again..... how is anyone who does NOT believe in any revealed religion to take ANY of YOU seriously ?

It freaking mind boggling......

people, please, can we be a little scientific here..... what do you mean by scientific? the methods, theories, logic?

where does Islam give the impression of itself to be violent and bloody!!ahhh, how about all through history, including the start?


it is only logical..........logic, unfortunately, does not always have any place in many peoples' minds

Oliver], the claim that a lot of stupid shaikhs make about the marriage of Aisha at that age wasn't made until Al-Mawddudi claimed it, many other Ulamas doen't beleive that, for one the Ahmadis refuse it totally, some Shiite clerics and other Sunni ones, I for one refuse the whole idea....
you can visit the Ahmadi site for info www.aaiil.org

As for Rondolfo, can you be more specific???? I can't find it in history, may be in your dreams!!!