As far as I'm concerned God has created two things; war and pep. And I'm not sure which is worse.

I'm in Toronto and currently begging every god except the Christian (doubt he would do it) to smite the bloody Catholics in my city. These people are satan's minions in disguise.

I now officially am prejudice against Catholics. It is etched into me. Between the girls at my local Catholic school who are pretentious, uptight bitches for the most part and this bloody World Youth Day I hate Catholocism. A friend and I were walking out of a theater the other day and there's 7 VERY loud girls walking beside us. One of them leans over to us and practically yells "WANNA SIGN MY PANTS??" She had jeans on and had gotten a bunch of people to sign their name on her pants. I calmly turned to her and said "no, thanks". They all start begging us and yelling at us and after 10 seconds or so (while we're still walking) they go "BUT WE'RE AMERICANS!! YAAAAAAAY AMERICA!!! Come on!!!!! You gotta sign it!!!! We're Americans!"

After a long while of politely ignoring them and just putting up my hand to say no I just very calmly, quitely and politely said "then go back to America". They followed us down the stairs and we faked going to a store so that they would leave us alone.

We get to the subway and there's 20-25 of them drapped in the blue, blanc et rouge signing at the top of their lungs the French National Anthem at fricken' 12:30 at night. We make our way onto a different section of the subway where we encounter what appears to be more Americans drapped in their flag. They're all just sitting there and two begin to calmly converse about the greatness of the current pope. So, my friend and I basically start a 10 minute conversation (loud enough so they can all hear) about why it's ridiculous to believe in a god, then why it's pathetic to believe in the christian god, then the reasons so many people believe in god. At one point we were talking about the Christian god and one of the guys leans over and says something like; "God is love, man. you just gotta open up your heart and realize it." I then (very clamly and politely) gave him a rant on the book of job. He shut up.

In Toronto there were liberal Catholics handing out condoms (or trying to) at the Eaton Centre. They were arrested. Then a bunch of American Catholics, A TON OF THEM, start protesting, ILLEGALLY, aboriton clinics. The cops asked them to go across the road. They were breaking the law!!!! But do they get arrested?? Noooooooooo. It would be too much trouble with the Catholics. Toronto would get a bad rep. So we mustent touch the dear Catholics.

I hate Catholics.

What of the cute girls in skimpy Catholic uniforms?

Oh yeah. I'm officially prejudiced against Catholics unless and until cute girls in said uniforms start hitting on me.

*Yells*

Escrasez l'infame!

Lindsay was a catholic school girl. Holy shit, that uniform is just such a turn on. She didn't really like wearing it though.

God is love, Tyler. you just gotta open up your heart and realize it.:D

Between the girls at my local Catholic school who are pretentious, uptight bitches for the most part and this bloody World Youth Day I hate Catholocism.

American Catholic girls are very different from the ones in Toronto I guess. Ours have a representation for being anything but "uptight", on the contrary, they're very friendly.;)

you make all of us americans sound like loud annoying cathoic girls..... its not true! its not true!

on the contrary, they're very friendly.

ok.. that is true... -shakes head- that is true....

Hey man, I hate em too. Welcome to the club. They've actually gone so low as to insult me on my beliefs as an Athiest. They are disguting child molestors and money launderers who dont deserve all they leway they get. Some of them dont deserve to walk the street. They are threats to humanity as we know it.

haven't seen any alive catholics for a long time...
only in that xtian latvian forum
but they made me throw up and I don't go there anymore

IMHO-stupid people not worth my time

That's it. I officially am prejudice. Incredibly prejudice against Catholics. There so fucking many of them here.

And today the Pope was driven through some area and there were people fucking CRYING!!!! They were CRYING!!!! People the news talked to after were going "This was an incredibly moving experience, one I will never forget."

IT'S THE FUCKING POPE!!!!! HE DOES NOTHIGN!!! HE SITS THERE WITH HIS HEAD HANGING AND WAVES HIS HAND!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

BLOODY CATHOLICS!!!! ISN'T THERE SOMETHING ABOUT NOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTT WORSHIPPING IDOLS IN THE BIBLE????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

the Pope is a good person.
He has done a lot to modernise the catholic church
he is the best pope in 2000 years
he's a revolutunary
you across the pond just don't notice it

I'm strictly against organised religion and you know it, but as a person, as a pope , he is amazing

btw, my father met him in 1993 whle he was in Latvia. he also has all the best to say

He's been a sad pope for the most recent problems. A pathetic, old, conservative one.

The major problem to the catholic church is sexual abuse. Allow the priests to marry and you have a great reduction in this problem over time. Why? Heterosexual priests will no longer feel sexually pent up. And a large amount of the priests who commited these acts were Catholic homosexuals who repressed their sexuality by becoming celibate.

Allow women to become priests. This is just plain sexism.

Allow birth control.

Three simply decisions he has to make and he chooses to make none.

Excuse me, I'd just like to take this post to say:

TONY1, WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU?????



:D

Originally posted by Tyler
He's been a sad pope for the most recent problems. A pathetic, old, conservative one.

I think you should pay more respect to him and what he has done.
At least don't insult.
You're acting immature.
(although I can understand, you live far from Europe)

*Giggles*

Try this. Go to www.amazon.com

Set the search feild to "books"

Keyword "hardon" (without the quotes, dumbarse!)

See what the search result is.

Weird, huh?

Originally posted by Avatar

I think you should pay more respect to him and what he has done.
At least don't insult.
You're acting immature.
(although I can understand, you live far from Europe)


I'm a very informed person, and I havent a clue what the Pope has done. What has he done? Please tell me.

I was actually going to ask you directly how things were going in Toronto, Tyler, 'cause I heard that the pope was there. I also heard that the numbers weren't as high as people had hoped for (around 200,000), so at least there's a bright side to Toronto's scourge.

But don't judge all of the catholics on only the ones you meet. The people you saw before were probably the worst kind but I doubt seriously that they are the only. Religious people's opinions are just as believable to them as general athiestic opinions are to us (I hate to speak for everyone so I'm turning the other cheek here! hahaha a joke! and a pun...maybe!). You'd have as much luck converting them to athiesm as they would you to catholocism. Think of it that way.

One of the opinions is right. It's either yours, theirs, someone elses, or everyone's wrong and something completely unforseable happens after we die and created the universe...arghhh ranting.

Well anyhow, rock on and the etcetera. Although, next time a girl asks you to sign her tushy, I say regardless of her religion sign it anyway. It wouldn't be too hard for me...

I have been wondering if all this 'ruckus' about catholic preists ((or the like, im not sure if they were are exactly catholic) ) would bring christians back to reality a bit.... that they are not sheltered, and the world is still waiting for them to catch up sometime....

"I think you should pay more respect to him and what he has done.
At least don't insult.
You're acting immature.
(although I can understand, you live far from Europe)"

I understand the effect the Pope has had on certain European Catholics. However, this does not explain women nearly fainting at the site of an old, dieing man. The Pope is not theistic. That's plain and simple. The Bible denotes that a person can hold no idol but God and Jesus and the Trinity and such. The Pope and church practically encourage people to hold the Pope as an idol. Believe me, when women fucking cry from seeing him wave his hand, he is an idol.


"I was actually going to ask you directly how things were going in Toronto, Tyler, 'cause I heard that the pope was there. I also heard that the numbers weren't as high as people had hoped for (around 200,000), so at least there's a bright side to Toronto's scourge."

There's two bright sides. They've made some of the less-desirables of Toronto hide from the streets (though, I would rather have the drug dealers and hookers than the catholics) and there's only 350,000 of them.


"But don't judge all of the catholics on only the ones you meet. The people you saw before were probably the worst kind but I doubt seriously that they are the only. Religious people's opinions are just as believable to them as general athiestic opinions are to us (I hate to speak for everyone so I'm turning the other cheek here! hahaha a joke! and a pun...maybe!). You'd have as much luck converting them to athiesm as they would you to catholocism. Think of it that way"

Oh I don't judge all Catholics. It's just when I meet someone who informs me they're Catholic I will instantly assume they're not intelligent at all. They have every oppurtunity to prove me wrong.


" have been wondering if all this 'ruckus' about catholic preists ((or the like, im not sure if they were are exactly catholic) ) would bring christians back to reality a bit.... that they are not sheltered, and the world is still waiting for them to catch up sometime...."

Allow priests to marry. Problem will be all but gone within 30 years.

Originally posted by Unregistered
Hey man, I hate em too. Welcome to the club. They've actually gone so low as to insult me on my beliefs as an Athiest. They are disguting child molestors and money launderers who dont deserve all they leway they get. Some of them dont deserve to walk the street. They are threats to humanity as we know it.

Nice to see some open minded opinions and specific allegations for a change. It is attitudes like those expressed here are what have been keeping the hate alive in Ireland.

Sorry folks, deciding to hate a whole community/denomination/religion or whatever based on the actions of a few is even more closed minded and bigoted than what you are railing against.

Most serial killers are American ergo all Americans are serial killers. Most random shootings are in America ergo all Americans randomly shoot people. Extreme bigots exist in America ergo all Americans are extreme bigots, as evidenced here.

Spot the error in the logic folks!

And before any one asks, I'm an Atheist but was confirmed as a Catholic. Not once was I molested as a child.

Tyler

In Toronto there were liberal Catholics handing out condoms (or trying to) at the Eaton Centre. They were arrested. Then a bunch of American Catholics, A TON OF THEM, start protesting, ILLEGALLY, aboriton clinics. The cops asked them to go across the road. They were breaking the law!!!! But do they get arrested?? Noooooooooo. It would be too much trouble with the Catholics. Toronto would get a bad rep. So we mustent touch the dear Catholics.

With all the tens of thousands of people attending the week long "Popestock," culminating in a Sunday mass that would rival "Woodstock," was there not one single atheist protesting any of this ? Was there not a group of non-believers waving signs and chanting "Pontiff Perversion" or "God is Dead" or "Long Live Evolution ?"

And did not the media, while covering this event, interview any atheists amongst the throngs of interviewees to get an oppossing point of view or were they biased towards the Catholics ? Was there any mention whatsoever of a negative impact to the Popes visit regarding the future of our youth ?

Originally posted by (Q)

With all the tens of thousands of people attending the week long "Popestock," culminating in a Sunday mass that would rival "Woodstock," was there not one single atheist protesting any of this ? Was there not a group of non-believers waving signs and chanting "Pontiff Perversion" or "God is Dead" or "Long Live Evolution ?"

And did not the media, while covering this event, interview any atheists amongst the throngs of interviewees to get an oppossing point of view or were they biased towards the Catholics ? Was there any mention whatsoever of a negative impact to the Popes visit regarding the future of our youth ?

You're right:(. But N America (continent) is one big christian colony. What did you expect:rolleyes:

And if you are so worried about the Pope- he doesn't bite. Was in Latvia in 1993. I wasn't molested then or tortured till I accepted christianity. Still a good atheist:p Besides , atheists are very hard to convert;) They'll burn in hell:eek::D:D:D

Tyler theres a lot of stupid people in the world, deal with it and don't be a jackass by posting stupid threads about your ignorant prejudices.

"Tyler theres a lot of stupid people in the world, deal with it and don't be a jackass by posting stupid threads about your ignorant prejudices."

Prejudice? Hell yes. Ignorant? Hell no. I know my intense dislike of catholics is completely irrational. I know that all catholics are not idiots. I am not the stupidest person alive. However, in my life I have yet to meet a truly intelligent and likable catholic. And with 350,000 of them here and I can't stand one of them, I hate these people more than I hate god himself. However, I will not act rude or think lowly of any Catholic I meet as a human being. I will just, by instinct, assume they are not intelligent.


Q, nope, of course not. Atheists aren't pathetic enough to need to gather in large groups and give praise to themselves and their beliefs.

Q, nope, of course not. Atheists aren't pathetic enough to need to gather in large groups and give praise to themselves and their beliefs.

They aren't by necessity Athiests(but im sure some of them are), but I see plenty of people crying and drooling all over moviestars bands, etc. That isn't religious, but it is just as stupid.

My 19ish years I cared about Christianity, I have come to the conclusion that Catholics are on the average the most intelligent and rational of the whole lot. Its all perspective and you need to remember that, where you are at and who you meet. Personally all my experiences with southern Baptists has left a horrible taste in my mouth, but then I meet someone who says they aren't so bad.

Don't base your assumptions of such an ENORMOUS group of people on a silly ogling crowd. I have made the same mistake, so its all good.

Originally posted by Tyler
They all start begging us and yelling at us and after 10 seconds or so (while we're still walking) they go "BUT WE'RE AMERICANS!! YAAAAAAAY AMERICA!!! Come on!!!!! You gotta sign it!!!! We're Americans!"

Sounds like you got hit with a double-whammy, American Catholic Tourists. Seriously, I hate to admit it since I'm an American but half (or more) of the problem there is that they were Americans.

I had the opportunity to see the Catacombs outside of Rome years back. It's simply a mind-boggling experience. Anyway, directly in front of us was an American couple bitching about absolutely everything, like they couldn't believe it was so dark and dirty (yes they actually said that), huffing about the lack of amenities in the museum above as if it should have been a 4 star resturant, and how long the tour was taking. My brother and I were seriously discussing adding them to one of the crypts, which seem to quell their dissatisfaction.

I've had the good fortune to travel somewhat extensively and one thing remains constant. American Tourists are assholes. They have no respect for any other culture, walk around like they own or are owed everything, and usually just bitch about how the place is not as nice as "home". Personally, I think with that attitude they should stay there and have a fucking barbeque in the back lawn.

Of course, when I travel, I say I'm from Canada. ;)

~Raithere

A friend of mine is over at world youth day, and is coming back on friday.

Funny thing is, he's not really a beleiver or anything. He's just going for the trip to Toronto!

Is it just me or do the Catholics described in the topic post sound an awful lot like football° fans?

Notes:

• Football: For citizens of the US, I'm referring to soccer.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by Avatar


You're right:(. But N America (continent) is one big christian colony. What did you expect:rolleyes:




What the hell, Jack? America is a "Christian" colony? Last time I looked we're catering to every freakin' religion on this planet! I live next to the "Muslim" capital of America!

Read the news and look for these nim-rods trying to take "God" (however you define it) out of an ages-old school pledge of allegiance.

If anything the Capitalism concept "perfected" here should be an indication that where there is money there is definitely NO room for religion - unless some religion mandates you unload yous hard-earned and rare cash to the good ole' church!

Originally posted by Eman Resu



Read the news and look for these nim-rods trying to take "God" (however you define it) out of an ages-old school pledge of allegiance.





I just had to comment. The addition of the prayer element to the pledge of allegiance is not as simple an issue as Eman Resu (and many others) seem(s) to think. It is not "ages-old." Following is an excerpt from an article on the original pledge of allegiance written by Francis Bellamy in 1892. His original did not contain the words "under God." I saw a documentary once (I cannot remember where--bad scholarship, I know:) ) that showed how people protested the addition of the phrase because they felt that forced prayer (forced conversion) went against what Christ taught.



In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/pledge.htm



There's those "bloody catholics" again (the Knights of Columbus)! Or are they templars?

I also have heard that the addition was made to differentiate the "good," "Christian" America from the "bad," "atheist" Soviet Union. This is what Eisenhower said about the addition "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war." I am sure that the irony of Bellamy being a socialist would have been lost on Eisenhower as it would be lost on many people today (including our wonderful president-non-elect).



Tyler, by the way, I am intelligent (or so I believe;) ), adult- converted (gasp!), catholic. Consider yourself met:D . I believe many of the things that you say about the church are true (need women priests, priests need to marry, etc), but it is the closest thing to a balanced (intellectual with the emotional) christianity I have come across. That balance is something I have (reluctantly) discovered I need because I tend too much to the intellectual and neglect the emotional. Also, I think my perhaps naïve and misguided notion was that the church needs heretics like me.

this is pretty fucking ludicrous....

tyler says:
Prejudice? Hell yes. Ignorant? Hell no. I know my intense dislike of catholics is completely irrational. I know that all catholics are not idiots. I am not the stupidest person alive. However, in my life I have yet to meet a truly intelligent and likable catholic. And with 350,000 of them here and I can't stand one of them, I hate these people more than I hate god himself. However, I will not act rude or think lowly of any Catholic I meet as a human being. I will just, by instinct, assume they are not intelligent.

*rofl. oh, the irony of it all. as an american catholic (by birth, not by choice) i believe the same thing....except about canadians.....lol, though with less intensity, i think, than do you about catholics, tyler.

and yes...i agree with everyone who accurately points out that tyler's criticisms are specific to the TYPES of catholics that are either
1) american
or
2) pope groupies.

i think you should realize this, tyler...because to demonize the entirety of the church because of a few people you have met....is to justify institutionalized racism....or sexism....or any other bad -ism, out there. this is the same type of thinking. if i see a lazy, stupid black person who commits crime, i cant just inductively conclude that all black people are stupid drugdealers....yet many people do....

or people see me, and think i am a typical asian person just because im good at thinking or whatever....when i am completely fucking different....because i construct my identity....i am not a slave to it...or to my heritage...though i do cherish it....

i know, to a certain extent, your being playful and facetious....hell, you admit that you are being irrational. but how about you fucking stop? otherwise, you just might convince me to start thinking like you do, and id have to start stereotyping and hating the brainless teenage white males that i go to high school with, id have to start fueling my own prejudice.......

oh, and btw, i think i have the MOST respect for catholics out of all christian sects....look at the jesuits...the only christians i know of who have made a mission of reconciling faith with reason, for five hundred years. defenders of the church during the protestant reformation....theyve done so much. look at nietszche....he condemned the church but even he, could not bring himself to condemnt the jesuits. just proves that no institution is absolutely good or bad, despicable or respectable....

First off - haven't seen you post in a while uber, welcome!


"rofl. oh, the irony of it all. as an american catholic (by birth, not by choice) i believe the same thing....except about canadians.....lol, though with less intensity, i think, than do you about catholics, tyler."

Canucks? Meh, whatever you say.


"and yes...i agree with everyone who accurately points out that tyler's criticisms are specific to the TYPES of catholics that are either
1) american
or
2) pope groupies"

Oh definetly. And like I said, my prejudice, as with any prejudice, is remarkably irrational. And from an intellectual standpoint I know it and so I don't acknowledge it. But I'd be lieing if I said that deep down I don't instantly assume a god-believing bible-thumping pope-worshiping (which is contradictory in itself) catholics that I meet are stupid.


"i think you should realize this, tyler...because to demonize the entirety of the church because of a few people you have met....is to justify institutionalized racism....or sexism....or any other bad -ism, out there. this is the same type of thinking. if i see a lazy, stupid black person who commits crime, i cant just inductively conclude that all black people are stupid drugdealers....yet many people do...."

The catholic church I demonize for an entirely different reason. Bible states to hold no idols and worship no one but god/christ. Then they fully support and even encourage catholics to bloody well worship the pope. Like you said; pope groupies.


"I know, to a certain extent, your being playful and facetious....hell, you admit that you are being irrational. but how about you fucking stop? otherwise, you just might convince me to start thinking like you do, and id have to start stereotyping and hating the brainless teenage white males that i go to high school with, id have to start fueling my own prejudice......."

What's the problem with hating brainless male high schoolers?


"oh, and btw, i think i have the MOST respect for catholics out of all christian sects....look at the jesuits...the only christians i know of who have made a mission of reconciling faith with reason, for five hundred years. defenders of the church during the protestant reformation....theyve done so much. look at nietszche....he condemned the church but even he, could not bring himself to condemnt the jesuits. just proves that no institution is absolutely good or bad, despicable or respectable...."

It's really only the pilgrams that I'm bashing here. Besides the fact that they contradict their own religion, tell our atheists that they're going to burn in hell, illegally harrass women going into abortion clinics while they're guests in our city, yell and scream at all hours of the night, act like little kids (actually, the acting like little kids part seems reserved for the yanks. The french and poles who make up the majority of the rest that I've met have been a little more mature) and dirty up our city; they take up space on our subways and buses!!!!!!

The catholic church I demonize for an entirely different reason. Bible states to hold no idols and worship no one but god/christ. Then they fully support and even encourage catholics to bloody well worship the pope. Like you said; pope groupies.
Give me a break Tyler, do you read the relgion folder very often. Imagine the list of religious contradictions that could be created for any Christian sect (some so glaring in my mind as to completely dispel any remnants of rational thought that I believed some of these Christians might have held), getting overwhelmed by emotion because a person comes in close contact with what they see as their ruler and spiritual leader is hardly a catholic thing alone.
I also feel it is a stretch to say that they are holding him up as an idol - yes a few of them may actual harbor feelings of worship but so what, people are still people after all (besides, take a gander at some of the other sects, such as assembly of god, who seem to be absolutely overwhelmed with money - IDOL, the list of common Christian Idols could go on for a while I'm sure).

You are being incredibly irrational, and the flames aren't nearly forthwright enough. I view your post as no better than saying I am disgusted by black people...or gay people....or people named Tyler.

And on top of all this, it seems to be fairly agreed upon (at least in this thread) that Catholics are the MOST rational, and attempt to use logic the most, of any other Christian sect (there are others, but Catholics are high up on the ladder at any rate).

Remember that Priest from australia? whatever happened to that guy, I seemed to become a member right after he stopped posting....anyways.

Get your head out of your ass tyler :p

It's really only the pilgrams that I'm bashing here. Besides the fact that they contradict their own religion, tell our atheists that they're going to burn in hell, illegally harrass women going into abortion clinics while they're guests in our city, yell and scream at all hours of the night, act like little kids (actually, the acting like little kids part seems reserved for the yanks. The french and poles who make up the majority of the rest that I've met have been a little more mature) and dirty up our city; they take up space on our subways and buses!!!!!!

And how much revenue is your city raking in on hotels? How many bus drivers are sending their kids to college with the overtime?

And how does telling somone that they will burn in hell either contridict Christianity or pose a problem?

Jesus condemmned whole cities to hell. And so what if they do? What, afraid they might be right?

Do you think that I care when Tony1 tells me I'm going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity? Fuck no. Do you think he cares when I tell him that Cthulhu will eat him? I highly doubt it.

Get some fucking balls. Or face the tickling wrath of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Oh, and BTW, your criticism of the "Pope groupies" as idolaters is tenuous at best. Especially considering that Jesus himself established what would become the Papacy (although he of course did not see where the development of its power would lead).

ubermich:

I think you start too late when you mention the Jesuits. Reconciling faith and reason is a very old Catholic tradition. Goes back to even before Aquinas.

The Jesuits didn't start till, lesse, Loyola published "Spiritual Excersizes" in 1548.

Ironic, he was brought before the Inquisition a few times. I think they even tried to dissolve the Jesuits once.

Anyhow, the Catholic tradition has a long and quite illustrious history of reconciling faith and reason, as well as protecting some of the great scholors of the middle ages. Ockham was a Francescan.

The Church's role in preserving a bit of the light of the classical philosophers by copying and preserving their works is often overlooked. The Dominicans played a large role in this.

lotus:

Remember that Priest from australia? whatever happened to that guy, I seemed to become a member right after he stopped posting....anyways.

What, Sir Loone? He was American.

I miss that guy.

Avatar:

Actually, we are officially NOT a Christian nation.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Article 11 of the Tripoli treaty (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm)

I miss that guy.
I agree, lets beat down his door and tie him to his computer.

And I think our state has a de facto religion...It's aparent to me at any rate, just look how much power the damn GOP GOD people have. ugh! (obviously theres more to it than that, but I don't really remember the argument:) )

As for Catholics, my dad (a catholic) tried very hard to 'beat' logic into me when I was young and running around with my fundie friends. I just thought he didn't have enough faith...guess I wasn't different than most other teenagers (always thinking I was right and my parents didn't understand! oh well)

lotus:
I agree, lets beat down his door and tie him to his computer.

At least he is not functionally part of his computer.

*Hugs 790*

I love my Thinkpad, I love my Thinkpad.

And I think our religion is a de facto religion...It's aparent to me at any rate, just look how much power the damn GOP GOD people have. ugh!

True, but we're officially non-religious.

"Give me a break Tyler, do you read the relgion folder very often. Imagine the list of religious contradictions that could be created for any Christian sect (some so glaring in my mind as to completely dispel any remnants of rational thought that I believed some of these Christians might have held), getting overwhelmed by emotion because a person comes in close contact with what they see as their ruler and spiritual leader is hardly a catholic thing alone.
I also feel it is a stretch to say that they are holding him up as an idol - yes a few of them may actual harbor feelings of worship but so what, people are still people after all (besides, take a gander at some of the other sects, such as assembly of god, who seem to be absolutely overwhelmed with money - IDOL, the list of common Christian Idols could go on for a while I'm sure)."

Definetly. Plenty of religious contradictions. Oh, and it's not a 'few' of them worshipping him. If you saw the news here you would see every woman and a lot of men within range of the pope that were crying. When you cry from being so excited to see someone, you are a groupie.


"You are being incredibly irrational, and the flames aren't nearly forthwright enough. I view your post as no better than saying I am disgusted by black people...or gay people....or people named Tyler."

You know what, come to think of it, I've never met a Tyler that wasn't an ass. That's interesting.



Xev;

"And how much revenue is your city raking in on hotels? How many bus drivers are sending their kids to college with the overtime?"

All in total? Zero. They stayed at schools. All the junior/high schools were opened for them to stay at. As long as they cleaned themselves. Our buses didn't run any later.


"And how does telling somone that they will burn in hell either contridict Christianity or pose a problem?"

Neither, it's just annoying. And pathetic.


"Do you think that I care when Tony1 tells me I'm going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity? Fuck no. Do you think he cares when I tell him that Cthulhu will eat him? I highly doubt it"

Haha. It doesn't offend me, or many people here. It just looks sad and pathetic. Actually, near the end some woman walked up to a security gaurd and asked to be let into a restricted area to get a better look at the pope. He said 'nope, restricted'. She said (incredibly angry at him and looking at him like he was the lowest form of human life) 'fine, you'll burn in hell.' He looked back and nodded saying 'see ya' there'. That was just funny!


"Oh, and BTW, your criticism of the "Pope groupies" as idolaters is tenuous at best. Especially considering that Jesus himself established what would become the Papacy (although he of course did not see where the development of its power would lead)."

People who cry or come close to/faint when they see a man are groupies of him. That's disturbing.

Tyler:
They stayed at schools. All the junior/high schools were opened for them to stay at. As long as they cleaned themselves. Our buses didn't run any later.

If your city didn't turn a profit on the visit, you should kick whatever morons you have in office out of office next election.

Neither, it's just annoying. And pathetic.

So? I can't wear a low cut shirt and hold a semi-intelligent conversation with a man without him becoming monosyllabic while staring at my breasts.

Annoying....pathetic......yet you don't see me ranting about how pathetic your gender is.

Grow up.

People who cry or come close to/faint when they see a man are groupies of him. That's disturbing.

I didn't say they weren't groupies, I said they weren't idolators.

Whose disturbing? I don't give a rat's arse if people faint at the sight of the Pope. He is not my idea of sexy, but to each his own.

"If your city didn't turn a profit on the visit, you should kick whatever morons you have in office out of office next election."

Nah, I really don't care about that. As far as I'm concerned we did a good thing on that. I'm sure they brought in money on souvenirs and such anyway, and it's just being considerate to let them stay at schools (and I do believe they cleaned them themselves). But yes, we do have a moron as mayor. Definetly. Everyone hates him.


"So? I can't wear a low cut shirt and hold a semi-intelligent conversation with a man without him becoming monosyllabic while staring at my breasts.

Annoying....pathetic......yet you don't see me ranting about how pathetic your gender is."

Deal with 300,000+ of them coming into your city and staring at every woman's breasts and trying to push their beliefs on you.


"I didn't say they weren't groupies, I said they weren't idolators"

What does it mean to be an idolator?
Just because I'm not entirely sure that I'm right (now that you bring it up); "The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object." -- that's worship

The pope is an idol and the amount of love, devotion, worship and praise they place on this man is beyond anything I have ever seen by so much it shocks me.

You're gripes sound more directed at stupid/ignorant/rude people in general. While I don't partiularly favor Catholics, I don't think that pant signing/protesting are in the Catholic Doctrine. I think you should be complaing more at the fact that the singers were French Nationalists more than they were Catholic...hee hee :p .

Tyler:
Nah, I really don't care about that.

You, ah, cared enough to start a thread.....:rolleyes:

Deal with 300,000+ of them coming into your city and staring at every woman's breasts and trying to push their beliefs on you.

What, Tyler, have they brought out the wheel and the rack? Are they burning philosophers now? Are they going to start forcibly baptizing Jews next?

They are maybe being nuisances trying to convert people.

Deal with it.

What does it mean to be an idolator?
Just because I'm not entirely sure that I'm right (now that you bring it up); "The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object." -- that's worship

Not in the OT sense.

The pope is an idol and the amount of love, devotion, worship and praise they place on this man is beyond anything I have ever seen by so much it shocks me.

This is assertion, it is not evidence of anything but your own provinciality.

"You, ah, cared enough to start a thread....."

Not about the money we drag in. What are you talking about?


"What, Tyler, have they brought out the wheel and the rack? Are they burning philosophers now? Are they going to start forcibly baptizing Jews next?

They are maybe being nuisances trying to convert people."

What the hell are you talking about? I don't understand the point? My whole point of the original post was just to say that they're all a bloody nuisance. What do you think I'm trying to say? That they should be banned?


"Not in the OT sense."

That's true. Good point. Though, it makes me just go to my second question on this and that's what would Jesus or God (if Jesus/God exist - hypo of course) think of this?


"This is assertion, it is not evidence of anything but your own provinciality."

To quote a favourite movie 'that's brilliant. What have ya' got a team of monkeys working on this?'

Though, I fail to see how it is narrow. I have never seen in my life people faint at the sight of a person. The few incredibly famous people I have seen have been the Queen, Dylan and skew of NHLers on All-Star weekend. None of these people have caused others to faint that I've seen. The only people I've heard of fainting have been groupies to rock stars and 13 year old girls when Lennon or Jagger showed up in the sixties.

All weekend they placed (as I said) - love, devotion, worship and praise - on the man. And to an extent that I have never seen done. So my statement, while solely opinion, I fail to see as narrow. Could you show me how it is?

Not about the money we drag in. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the fact that you are being a whiney, bigoted little pussy.

I'm talking about the fact that you've essentially called Cthulhu knows how many Catholics idiots and idolaters.

You have not shown any, ANY Scriptural evidence that the behaviour you describe is idolatry in the Biblical sense.

You've started two pages of baseless assertion, and what's more - you're on my turf.

How is the behaviour you describe idolatry in the Biblical sense?
How is your hatred of Cthulhu knows how many people justified?

The only people I've heard of fainting have been groupies to rock stars and 13 year old girls when Lennon or Jagger showed up in the sixties.

Jagger was a babe. Lennon was so hyped it's no wonder. The Catholics think the Pope is the representative of God.

What's the difference?

To quote a favourite movie 'that's brilliant. What have ya' got a team of monkeys working on this?'

Can't you even insult me properly?

All weekend they placed (as I said) - love, devotion, worship and praise - on the man. And to an extent that I have never seen done. So my statement, while solely opinion, I fail to see as narrow. Could you show me how it is?

Your statement:
People who cry or come close to/faint when they see a man are groupies of him. That's disturbing.

So you're basically just another member of the herd, accepting whatever little label your culture uses to describe the phenomena.

I had hoped for better from you.

Whatever. You're not worth the ASCII.

"I'm talking about the fact that you are being a whiney, bigoted little pussy."

Okay, let me get this straight. You said - they should have dragged in money
I said - I don't really care about that
you said - Then why did you start a thread on it?
I said - I didn't? What are you talking about?
You said - the fact that you're a whiney bigoted pussy.

Out of curiosity, how did you get that from - I don't care about the money? Anyway, not important, you obviously weren't actually replying to what you quoted.


"You have not shown any, ANY Scriptural evidence that the behaviour you describe is idolatry in the Biblical sense."

How about this. You said - not in the Old Testament way. I said - Good point. Did you read that much or just skip it over? You were the first to bring that up and I conceeded the point.


"You've started two pages of baseless assertion, and what's more - you're on my turf."

First off, I have not made two pages of baseless assertion. For all intensive purpose, this was a one post rant. I made about one, maybe two replies on this about my side until you/uber started in.
Second, what turf? Sciforums? That now is your turn? Funny, I always thought it was more of a free enviroment. Because surely, SURELY you aren't talking about the religion forum. I know you have the memory capabilities to realize I posted this in Free Thoughts and someone, without asking/telling me moved it to religion - an act which I do not have the authority to do.


"How is the behaviour you describe idolatry in the Biblical sense?
How is your hatred of Cthulhu knows how many people justified?"

Read Xev. When you said it's not idolatry in the biblical sense I said "Good point". Now, for the second time, did you just happen to miss that or are you ignoring it on purpose?

How is my hate for Catholics justified? It's not. I said in my original post "I hate Catholics". Later, when a few people pointed out the fact that I had written this while in a moment following an incredibly annoying few ordeals with only a certain sect of Catholics I rephrashed it to - "I hate the pilgrams". How is that hate justified? They annoy the hell out of me, push their god on others, sing at all hours of the night, are loud and disturbing and take up space on the buses. Those are my reasons for hating the pilgrams in Toronto.



"Jagger was a babe. Lennon was so hyped it's no wonder. The Catholics think the Pope is the representative of God.

What's the difference?"

Nothing. I think it's sad when people fainted for Jagger or Lennon as well.


"Can't you even insult me properly?"

I'm not trying to insult you. That actually is a quote from one of my favourite movies - Usual Suspects. Cop walks in and goes "I can put you in Queens on the night of a murder." Guy goes "Really? I live in Queens. What have ya got a team of monkeys working on this?" What good would insulting you do? As you've stated numerous times it doesn't affect you in any way and it surely wouldn't help my arguement.


"So you're basically just another member of the herd, accepting whatever little label your culture uses to describe the phenomena"

Hmmm? I don't follow. Because I go by a definition I'm a mindless sheep? And on top of that, it's just my personal opinion. I have never seen/heard of anyone but groupies and 13 year old girls fainting at the site of a person. Have you?


"I had hoped for better from you."

I had hoped you'd read what I wrote. But, as has happened before, you chose to ignore the part where I said "Good point" and said you were right. Ah well.