I have heard that many of the world leaders are blood drinking lizards.
Is there any verification for this?

Only David Icke and he's proved so far wrong on everything else. :bugeye:

I agree.

weird. i made david icke my subject for fluff reading tonight.
the reptile thing is pretty out there.

They said that GW, and many of earths leaders are humanoid reptiles that are able to shapeshift into humans. They disguise themselves as normal humans like me.
And they need to drink blood to keep the illusion in effect.

I thus far have seen no evidence for any of these assertions.

Only speculation:
If there were superhumans more advanced than regular humans, they would likely surpass anybody around them, and be in the top positions of the world.

If their powers made them hideous reptiles, they would want to hide their true form so they can look like hideous GW Bush.

If they also had the ability to shapeshift, and are wise strategists, they would probably strategize that hiding their true lizard forms would be the best idea, and use their shapeshifting capabilities to do so.

Then go around kidnapping homeless people, and others to maintain their disguise.

Only David Icke and he's proved so far wrong on everything else. :bugeye:
Care to explain? What has been proven wrong?

I'm familiar with David Ickes assertions. The problem is that although it is possible here we find a true science fiction in play.

1. No lifeform can shapeshift
2. Even if lifeforms could shapeshift the ability to mimic or replicate another lifeform would be limited. It's just not possible to reproduce an object exactly merely by looking at it.
3. I've observed Bush during some speeches on television, he seems more human then reptile. The fact is he makes blunders, seems to be genuinely human, an really he has never seemed otherwise. Niether has Clinton. These men have had operations to keep them from dying... I doubt a shapeshifter would need an operation.

Those are just some arguments against this concept. The problem is really Icke has gone an taken possibilites an made them a joke. I say this... there is no reptile intervention on the earth, the fact is all evidence shows insect like beings are the only aliens interacting with humans.

Care to explain? What has been proven wrong?
Where do I start?
The Green Party distanced itself from him in 1991 after he announced that he was "the son of God," [2] (video) and a "channel for the Christ spirit." [3]
That's bullshit for a start
He began to dress only in turquoise and maintained that the world was ruled by a secret group called "The Elite", or "Illuminati", which he linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic tract. [4] [5] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the secret world government consists of a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are, in fact, reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, and Kris Kristofferson. [4]
Wow, how very likely, realistic and totally supported by bundles of evidence
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family, also a "reptilian bloodline," financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. [6] As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, [5] and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews. [2]
Again, more racist bullshit, unfounded claims and, a conspiracy cliche: blaming the Rothschilds

1. No lifeform can shapeshift

Butterflies come to mind and amoeba. The fact that we do not know any lifeforms that can shapeshift to that kind of level doesn´t mean it isn´t possible. Ickes theory is suggesting that they are from different dimensions. How many lifeforms do you know from there? :p


That's bullshit for a start
Link or explanation would be much appreciated. If this is indeed BS, I don´t bother to defent him anymore.

Butterflies come to mind and amoeba. The fact that we do not know any lifeforms that can shapeshift to that kind of level doesn´t mean it isn´t possible. Ickes theory is suggesting that they are from different dimensions. How many lifeforms do you know from there? :p
There is as yet no proof of these "other dimensions". Also, butterflies do not change form very fast, do they? They go into chrysalis form and achingly slowly, move their organs around
Link or explanation would be much appreciated. If this is indeed BS, I don´t bother to defent him anymore.
Oh come on, you give his comical claims credence despite the utter absence of any evidence at all for them? It's ridiculous. Barmy, if you will. Do you believe everything you hear, see and read on the Internet? If not, then why do you believe Ickes ramblings?

Oh come on, you give his comical claims credence despite the utter absence of any evidence at all for them? It's ridiculous. Barmy, if you will. Do you believe everything you hear, see and read on the Internet? If not, then why do you believe Ickes ramblings?
Who said I believe him? I just find that the arguments some use here are not enough. It´s pretty much built in a way that it is quite difficult to disprove his theories. I think thats way he is so popular. It isn´t easy to disprove him.

About the Green Party and the statements. He himself said that media mistranslated his words. I don´t remember the exact wording but it was something that we are all one and thus Jesus and I are one (or sth like that)
It wouldn´t be the first time when media have misquoted someone.

Communist Hamster, is there proof that there aren't other dimensions?

I think many of the claims of reptilain blood drinkers are unproven.
Claiming that the guy is racist against jews is just as unproven.

Anybody can be considered crazy for accpeting something that is unproven.
As such he can be considered paranoid and crazy for his blood drinking lizard ideas.
The people claming he is racist can be considered just as paranoid and crazy for thinking he hates jews.

The fact that no lifeforms have been known to shapeshift does not mean these world leaders are not another type of lifeform that can shapeshift from reptilians into human. After all, they are drinking blood that gives them their advanced biological powers.

But as far as I know, I have yet to see any significant proof for these outlandish assertions.

Anybody can be considered crazy for accpeting something that is unproven.
Amen brother! Couldn´t agree more.

There seems to be some issue about the veracity of whether or not there exist a secret, all-powerful group of lizards controlling this planet, and I should like to contribute my two cents to the debate: I would like at this point to give my personal assurances that, indeed, the majority of the leaders of the world are in fact blood-drinking lizards. Except John Major who is, in fact, a blood-drinking ferret.

Most meetings of my blood-drinking kindred tend to take place in the Christmas season between Dec 16th and Jan 10th, which is also when we plan most of the world's natural disasters. Earthquakes are a perennial favourite, although the Chimpy McHitlerburtonites tend to favour large, destructive waves, since these have the double advantage of being i) instruments for mass murder which also ii) get things squeaky clean for the takeover of the region by our equally bloodthirsty lizard spawn, or sometimes just by American tourists.

Many people have questioned the reality of our absolute control over your planet of several hundred cultures, over 100 nations, dozens of official languages and societo-economic conditions ranging from educated, industrialized societies to Pat Robertson and Arkansas, but do not be fooled by the assertion that we do not exist. We are every bit as real as your inner paranoias, your fidgety self-esteem issues and your unspoken predilection for tinfoil hats. I would like to add here that, in fact, tinfoil hats do specifically not block our mind-probe waves, but rather - in a brilliant bit of counterinformation - actually serve to increase signal gain on our reception instruments, allowing us to read your mind as easily as a pajama-clad man reads a conspiracy website by the light of the noonday sun streaming in through his parents' basement windows.

In fact, signal gain is so much improved that occasional scatter from our equipment sometimes gets re-sent to the minds of people in houses nearby, sometimes even to those houses you're watching through high-powered binoculars. Telescope users appear particularly susceptible. So, for all those of you wondering whether or not your neighbours do in fact know what it is you masturbate about while in the shower - they do. They know everything. Yes, even about that one, you pervert. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. One of the best ways to avoid shower signal-scatter (SSS, as we sometimes call it, which in our hissing reptilian language is particularly easy to render and is usually accompanied by an emphatic tail-smack) is simply not to think at all about your genitals while bathing, showering or otherwise cleaning your repulsive smooth skins. Or not to not think of them. It's one or the other. Frankly, we think you hideous meat-creatures all spend too much time doing that anyway. That and showering.

The question inevitably arises, of course: from which dimension is it that your hideously evil kind arises? And we always answer: that one. That one over there. No, no, the one just past it. Can't you see it? Lean out a bit further over the ledge.

We feel that actively discouraging definitive answers to this question benefits both ourselves - maintaining our perfidious secrecy - and those that feel we exist but would prefer not to provide any evidence of their claim. You don't agree? Well, it's in all the best books on the subject. Take that one by Icke, for example. That one there. No, no, the next one over. Can you get your fingers on it? Lean out a bit.

I hope that this response clarifies all the questions you may have had regarding the secret Lizardoid (or Lizardist, if you prefer) cabal that is secretly running your planet. Take no mind of the fact that our evil, shape-shifting race only produces human-looking children at conception, or of our warm handshakes, or of the fact that bullets tend to hurt us as much as the next man/reptilian being, or of the fact that we don't consume our food raw, except for sushi, which is just delicious and the only thing we plan to let survive of your wonderful, awe-inspiring, delicious planet.

Don't be swayed by the notion that it would take literally millions of people the world over to hold our secret safe, or the appearance that any of you monkeys could in fact rise to government yourselves. No, no, better by far to sit at home and wonder what twisted minds could be so sinister, so evil, so corrupt as to produce the Jerry Springer show and Girls Gone Wild, and then glue your eyes to the screen, preventing your ability to so much as mentally filter the tripe spewing out, or even lift a finger to change the channel.

Sssincerely (and sorry about all the cancer),

Geoff 'Gecko'
Assistant to the Senior Pool Maintenance Adjutant
Primus III colony

Ha, caught you out in your pathetically transparent lies and exposed you for the agent of dissension that you really are...
Except John Major
John Major is not a world leader... explain your way out that slip. :D

I have heard that many of the world leaders are blood drinking lizards.
Is there any verification for this?

Lawyers and my ex-wife.

Dammit, if I want to date outside of my species, I want to know that I'm doing it.

This is a total stereotype, but I don't care.
Lawyers are the dumbest people on the planet just below arm bearing officials.

I don't actually have an ex-wife, but that was too perfect an opening.

I don't actually have an ex-wife
Well if ever you feel you need one, you could have mine.

Ha, caught you out in your pathetically transparent lies and exposed you for the agent of dissension that you really are...

John Major is not a world leader... explain your way out that slip. :D

Oh? You don't think so?

^^

'Gecko' Geoff
He Who Sticks to Walls

Well if ever you feel you need one, you could have mine.

Aha! Caught you out in your...hmm...well, I suppose I didn't catch you out in anything.

Carry on in your futile labours, human insect.

Geoff

Human insect??
I have a vague suspicion you're not taking this seriously.

Insectoids, reptilians, it's behavior that makes these ideas believable. Groups of humans get ideologies going that make them feel that it is right for them to parasitize others in order to survive. Even burning a village, sewing their fields with salt, and destroying all of their worldly goods reduces competition for scarce resources. The human population of the Western hemisphere in Biblical times was large and well-armed, which meant that a small population of ignatzes who had no jobs and no prospects couldn't make much headway anywhere in the world.

Now, you have to admire their ambition, but the story of this group is of a group that went around plundering, raping, and burning, not necessarily in that order, in order to build some kind of eminence. Their eminence, their dominion, is largely psychological. All it takes is an obsessive, self-deluding mindset to convince yourself that you are favored by God so greatly that others begin to believe it too, particularly those who are not used to the more subtle forms of deception.

We identify such behavior with reptiles, with unsympathetic cold-blooded predators. It's not all that accurate. Natural predators have limits to their appetites. Parasites and rodents breed without limit and foul their own habitats. We think of it as a lack of empathy sometimes but the message is "We are going to breed without limit and without consideration for our neighbors. We are going to abuse the kindness of others to fill their lands with our kind and to shove them aside and starve them out."

On this kind of battlefield, those creeds and races that do this prevail over those who live more sensible lifestyles.

I take the absolute subjugation of your entire race for our breeding colonies with the greatest aplomb, human insect! Do you not know of the incredible power of our intergalactic, interdimensional empire? Do you? Hmm? Hmm? Hmmmm? I thought not!

But you will. Why, it's right for us to parasitize others in order to survive! Whether it's the slow takeover of your entire financial base or anally probing a quiet rural family, we have to get along with our environment, and that means you. We have extraordinarily obsessive mindsets that permit us to understand that we are favoured so greatly - be it by God, Nature or what have you - and our creed suggests that we will indeed take over your planet. There are no limits to our appetites and we each foul our own habitats twice daily, which fills our housekeepers with dismay.

By Zurgag the Magnificent, let it be so.

'Gator' Geoff

I take the absolute subjugation of your entire race for our breeding colonies
Okay, you've talked me into it. Take me now!
PS are you female? (i'm unsure of alien lizard naming conventions, must have slept through that class).

We identify such behavior with reptiles, with unsympathetic cold-blooded predators.
This is anthropomorphisation. Most predators could be seen as unsympathetic.

Well, yeah.

I think some people have been reading a bit too much of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Short Sun.

I think some people have been reading a bit too much of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Short Sun.
No no no. Gene Wolfe is a fiction writer, David Icke is factual :bugeye:
Would the son of god lie to us?

I think that the way that world leaders act lends a lot of credibility to the reptilian theory. It may not be physical fact but a mental manifestation of what people see in them.

David Icke was followed around by Jon Ronson when doing research for his book Them. At one point, Ronson was as stunned as Icke to discover that the ACLU was boycotting Icke because "reptiles" was "code" for "Jews". Ronson, who's Jewish, did not succeed in convincing them that as far as Icke was concerned, "Reptiles" was code for, well, 12-feet Reptilian aliens.

http://www.jonronson.com/phpBB2/index.php

Yes I find it quite funny (sort of) that Icke is considered anti-semitic simply because of his contention that some family dynasties who happen to be Jewish are, in his "theory", actually reptiles. But no-one seems to have accused him of being anti-royalist (the Queen of England, apparently, is one of these reptiles)...
Anti-semitic? Nope. Completely round the bend? Undoubtedly.

One problem is that current history is just as crazy as David Icke's idea.

Okay, you've talked me into it. Take me now!
PS are you female? (i'm unsure of alien lizard naming conventions, must have slept through that class).

Dude - 'Geoff'.

I know we're different species and all, but c'mon.

I'll schedule you in for the preliminary anal probing, though. Are you allergic to violent electric shocks?

Inasmuch as ALL history is a concatenation of several series of individually unlikely events, certainly.
But at least we can point out some rationale and/ or sequence for why things are as they are, without needing to invent reptilian alien invaders from another dimension, the "fact" that we're living in the Matrix (that's one of his later ideas by the way - absolutely NO HINT WHATSOEVER of this in his earlier books, but once the film took off then out comes the Icke theory...), etc. etc.

The alternative is that there are certain of the ruling elite who need to be removed from power, desparately. Those who make reality indistinguishable from weird fiction cause a lot of damage.

Couldn't agree more strongly with the second sentence.

David Icke isn't so much crazy as he is reporting on the kind of reality that the current situation has forced him to see. I have personally met a lot of people who I cannot believe are quite human. Mentally they definitely are not a form of life that I can see as natural. This may come from their own fiction that they have kept in their own families, inspired by the Malleus Maleficarum and similar works, using the texts that are supposed to warn us as templates for the way that they treat other human beings. The demonic definitely exists in human minds. All that it has to be is a compelling fiction that becomes a way of life. They dress up and draw pictures to keep their programs within parameters, as fetishes, for their minds to focus on.

I can't prove it. I can only assume that physical manifestations are illusions. If they are, what brings on those illusions? Making people believe that they see something that isn't there is part of the method. Some of these people may be able to project images with their minds strongly enough for them to be seen by others who are sensitive. Sometimes doors to perceptions like that open for a short time then close again. The people who receive those perceptions often find that they never, ever want to see them again. More likely, simply because it's a lot easier and requires nothing special, the people who want to gaslight someone use tricks of light and shadow, a little bit of costuming here and there, a touch of makeup, and some psychological tricks. Hell, why do truckers perceive underage prostitutes as lizards? It's because their minds are cold, their bodies are cold, they wear reptilian colors and adornments, and they have just a little bit of a capacity to wrench someone's perceptions around. People like that give me more of a motivation than almost anything else to seek real reality and stay away from perversions. I am vulnerable and anything like that that gets its claws into me makes me physically ill. I only fuck within my own phylum for a very good reason. There's a reason why even truckdrivers aren't such great customers for those services. A man can't really feel like they're just in it for the money.

If it is all bluff, if it is all just smoke and mirrors, it is still just as dangerous if not more. Modern methods let them hide in plain sight because it is provable using science that there is no such thing as reptilians. Then those whose hearts and minds tell them that they are dealing with the demonic, since it has been proven that there is no such thing, no alien DNA involved, no strange magic, no Atlantean technology, why they must be crazy. The myths work really well to hide the fact that there are people who are born psychopaths, will die psychopaths, and will badly damage society while they are alive, and that they are in power. At the same time we are stuck with them because they are like a language and a body of knowledge that, if decoded correctly, tell us the truth. Without them we might not have a clue. Either that, or we would be a lot better at getting bastards out of power. One day I feel one way, the next the other.

I still vote for crazy.

Certainly crazy, but metakrons last post makes a lot of sense: Ickes "reptiles" are simply a metaphor for the stupid rulers of our civilisation. If I read that correctly?

Hamster, you read that pretty much correctly.

I believe, unlike a lot of people, that there is some small possibility that the reptilians actually exist, being unable to rule them out. I have trouble wrapping my mind around the inhumanity that seems to be contrived to terrify people and control them. Seems to be, hell. It is contrived. I'm saying 99 percent plus contrived. Actual reptilians would be superfluous. Their function is already adequately fulfilled. What some of them believe about themselves is in question.

In some ways, what looks like a lizard, slithers like a lizard, hisses like a lizard, and carries gram-negative bacteria in the crud on its teeth is most likely a lizard. Crazy people see these realities because they have usually been forced to become more intimately familiar than most of us with the nature of these creatures. A contrived reality is still a reality. Biologically, scientifically, materialistically, these creatures are technically human. These facts make little difference when their behavior is as that of an alien lizard creature from Hell.

God help me, though, I can't figure out how, if there were such creatures, they couldn't just coexist peacefully and enjoy the sunlight. Those who believe certain things about themselves also are inspired to shove aside other humans and replace them with their "own kind."

Are you mad?

Ickes "reptiles" are simply a metaphor for the stupid rulers of our civilisation. If I read that correctly?
Not a metaphor. Icke has stated in a few of his books that they ARE reptiles from another dimension and have been observed to shape shift back to their natural form. They also drink fresh blood from sacrificed babies (and apparently has personal testimony from an ex-member of the Queen's household).

These facts make little difference when their behavior is as that of an alien lizard creature from Hell.
To state that you'd have to define the "natural" limits of human behaviour and attitudes - and then show that these "lizards" fall outside of these limits. History (and in some cases personal experience) shows that humans are pretty much capable of anything. World leaders or not... one example is the woman who, after her children were asked not climb into the neighbour's garden by the wife next door actually petrol-bombed that house to get back at them for "telling her kids off". Not what I'd call a rational (or even proportional) response, but she thought it was warranted.

It is true enough that no species could conceive of any worse behavior than that which humans are capable of. Reptilians could blend in because their behavior would not give them away.

I'm sorry; are you actually debating the existence of giant intelligent lizards walking around among us?

No stranger than the idea that there are intelligent primates walking around among us.

Actually, quite a bit stranger; this is particularly true given that we have evidence of the former, and none of the latter.

Geoff, if you look back on the thread, you will see that it may be wise to clarify which is the former and which is the latter.

Those who wish to push a "dialectical materialism" view of the universe might find it more effective to comport themselves as professionals, or at least as individuals who understand the value of courtesy. There is something about the knee-jerk emotional reactions that people display when defending their view of "reality", those who think of themselves as members of the establishment, that just screams emotional insecurity and poor knowledge of their own subject. This includes the typical derision of allegedly strange points of view. Such habits are useful to those who do not want the establishment view to be challenged. They are needful because so many such views cannot honestly face any honest challenge. The establishment side always devolves into derision, dishonesty, even intimidation and if possible silencing.

The sum of this touches on what we are doing here. The idea that there is no such thing as shapeshifting aliens is harder to debunk when we have an establishment that makes such a habit, even institutionalizes the habit of undermining its own credibility by taking every opportunity it gets to behave unprofessionally and discourteously. This seems as good a place as any for such a speech. Fantastical notions such as shapeshifting aliens may well gain their only credibility from the lack of character of those who deny them and the poor quality of the denials. The establishment is not innocent in all of this. It has its own pretenses, delusions, and deliberate deceptions by the big lots.

Those who want to define reality for the rest of us need to clean up their acts.

Oli, my personal belief is that the shapeshifting aliens to not exist. This belief is not based on any actual proof. It is really not based on much of anything except feeling that it hasn't been proven to me adequately. Also, frankly, I have no way of knowing which of the dominant characters in the craziness that has been my life is more or less likely to tell me the real truth about the nature of things. The ones who do not seem to be crazier than bedbugs simply admit that they don't really know either.

Once again, human behavior can give a rational mind some irrational beliefs. See history. There are real limits to the perfectibility of understanding of what goes around us. Outside of those limits is everything.

There is this thing when some a-holes tried to pie David Icke in the face. They showed the a-hole's attitudes. I found it funny that they were calling Icke all these names like arrogant and so forth. But the attitude of these a-holes was completely arroant, and anything but people that I would want to be anywhere near.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351&q=david+icke

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1505950948532590200&q=david+icke

Geoff, if you look back on the thread, you will see that it may be wise to clarify which is the former and which is the latter.

Those who wish to push a "dialectical materialism" view of the universe might find it more effective to comport themselves as professionals, or at least as individuals who understand the value of courtesy.

Well, there are certain tolerances to courtesy. Leprechauns, elves and giant talking lizards simply don't exist; there is, at the very least, no evidence for them and if we're going to argue the basis of things that have no evidence I might as well advance the theory that the proliteriat is controlled by unhappy pixies. It is a non-theory, a useless directive. There is simply only so much of that that a rational, constructed mind can absorb before spewing back irritated invective.

There is something about the knee-jerk emotional reactions that people display when defending their view of "reality", those who think of themselves as members of the establishment, that just screams emotional insecurity and poor knowledge of their own subject.

You mean the poor knowledge and emotional insecurity that comes from dealing with people who think there are giant lizards in human suits walking among us?

This includes the typical derision of allegedly strange points of view.

You mean the typical derision of people who think there are giant lizards in human suits walking among us?

Such habits are useful to those who do not want the establishment view to be challenged.

You mean the establishment view that there are not giant lizards in human suits walking among us? I suppose that makes me an antidisestablishmentarian.

They are needful because so many such views cannot honestly face any honest challenge.

You mean the honest challenge of proving that there are giant lizards in human suits walking among us? Has that challenge been addressed in any way? What is this cry for honest acceptance of challenges for theories that have no proof whatever? Why is the onus on the disbeliever?

The establishment side always devolves into derision, dishonesty, even intimidation and if possible silencing.

For extraordinarily dumb ideas; yes, indeed. And not only the establishment, but also me.

The sum of this touches on what we are doing here. The idea that there is no such thing as shapeshifting aliens is harder to debunk

So - you wish to 'debunk' (!) the 'idea' (! as if it just emerged from nowhere to counter the perfectly credible claim that there are giant lizardoids living among us, rather than the reverse) that there are no such things as shapeshifting aliens living among us.

Well, of course one ought to 'debunk' such a ludicrous claim! Naturally there are shape-shifting aliens among us! I myself have admitted to being one.

when we have an establishment that makes such a habit, even institutionalizes the habit of undermining its own credibility by taking every opportunity it gets to behave unprofessionally and discourteously.

You mean, in dealing with people who think there are giant lizards in human suits walking among us? Say it isn't so.

This seems as good a place as any for such a speech.

Yes, the 'Pseudoscience' section of SciForums strikes me also as the best place for this argument. Or the next best place after the 'Cesspool'.

Fantastical notions such as shapeshifting aliens may well gain their only credibility from the lack of character of those who deny them and the poor quality of the denials.

So the denials - oh, so poorly founded in utter, base reality - will only increase the credibility of the argument that there are space-reptiles living among us, wearing human disguises.

You're not Happeh, by any chance, are you?

Those who want to define reality for the rest of us need to clean up their acts.

Er - I couldn't agree more, but drastically in reverse.

...giant talking lizards simply don't exist;

Technically evolution suggests that birds came from reptiles but evolved, if thats the case then Parrots are related to lizards and they can "Mimic" sounds (although not piece together sentences to actually communicate)

Perhaps it's possible for there to have been a mimicking reptile at some point in the past. (But this doesn't conclude that Icke's got any truth's in his word soup)

Geoff, a critical listener, in possession of the faculties of a sane person, sees no reason for those who, charged with being blood drinking lizards, to engage in behavior that is the mark of liars. To be fair and truthful, the impression that those charged are acting like liars may be mistaken. It isn't always mistaken, though. We're stuck between the claim being true and the idea that some of those accused wanting us to believe that it is true.

There are a lot of people who think it is more credible that our leaders are largely shape-shifting lizards than that humans would engage in certain behaviors, too.

We have the problem that we can only rule out the lizards theory on the assumption that they are physically impossible. This is an assumption that would be invalidated by sufficiently advanced technology. I would have to assume that such technology is not available here, and I cannot make that assumption either.

Still, irrationally, I don't believe that those reptilians exist. I think that they are just human psychopaths. That's my bias speaking, not the evidence.

Icke has spent nearly twenty years of his life proclaiming a new-age dogma, stirred it up with some bizarre, controversial conspiracy theories and then blended in some vague facts and allegations. For those that has actually read his books will find some theories to be true, and some theories to be pure myth and/or false. It's as simple as that. The funny thing about this conspiratory circus, is that it has become BIG business. His stories of freemasonry, new world order, illuminati, mind control, frequences of dimensions and extra-terrestrial reptilian world leaders has engaged a LOT of people in uncertain times where trust in government has become an alienated expression. These are former hippies and their sons and daughters, and they want the current world situation overthrown into the hands of the good shepherds. The fact is, these people, like so many other religious people worldwide, needs a higher cause to fill their lives with. And they are willing to pay for it. Big bucks. Icke currently charges over a hundred bucks per show, and his books gets into the hands of a new sucker every day. He's also selling audio and video tapes and dvd's. And he's not the only one doing this. New age is the ultimate liberal religion of this day, mixing old worldviews with new. It is gaining followers everyday, and my belief is that soon these people and/or other religious zealots will bash together to overthrow the skeptics, proclaim victory and world government when powerfull enough, call for their deity to summon itself and celebrate their victory, but, unfortunately, nothing will happen. No change in DNA, no exposure of reptilian E.T's, no God shepherding the herd, no universal secets exposed, nothing. Well, nothing other than filthy wealthy and immensely powerfull religious and spiritual leaders gloating and laughing over the stupidity and naivity of the masses.

I think that some of the religious and spiritual leaders genuinely believe that they are using their followers for purposes that are pure and productive. One reason I have trouble with the idea of getting involved in these things is because if I wind up believing my own rhetoric then I could be lost myself. As we've seen, a lot of them just don't care. But what do you do when you need mass action for something that you believe is absolutely necessary?

That's the magic, MetaKron. You believe it to be the right action to make. And I don't doubt the sincerity of some spiritual leaders, some live in poverty and dedicate their lives to helping others, but I don't think most conspiracy theorists do. The sad thing is all the good people being mislead, although for allegedly good, higher purposes. Blind faith in authority figures is never a good thing.

But you can't reveal wrongdoing by government or business anymore without someone labelling you as a conspiracy theorist. Once a person realizes that they do this to cover up things that are far too certainly true, then the whole "conspiracy theorists are nuts" thing is just a part of the coverup. Even if its "most conspiracy theorists", that just means to me that people have been far too convinced to go along with the lines fed them by government and don't have the scientific literacy to actually know anything about an issue.

But there's a basic difference between theory and facts. If someone suspects a company bribing government officials, it will be investigated. Conspiracy theories that deals with issues on a larger, global scale will eventually have to provide facts. A theory aint halfway enough. And there has got to be a certain issue, a certain suspect, not vague claims. And when the theories are about extra-terrestrial reptiles, facts are needed more than ever.

Well, God knows that myths seem to stick in people's minds a lot better than any sort of facts.

I've also heard them called Goatsuckers, as well as a few innapropriate expletives, anyone care to verify these as well? we should check into this

I've also heard them called Goatsuckers, as well as a few innapropriate expletives, anyone care to verify these as well? we should check into this
The goatsucker is another name for...EL CHUPACABRA which was probably just a hairless rabid dog for all the evidence there is.

...New age is the ultimate liberal religion of this day, mixing old worldviews with new...

I don't know that I'd agree that it's necessarily liberal, but I do agree there's a trend. Mixing old worldviews with new...now that's a solid thought and no mistake. Very interesting, and frightening. Old prejudices wrapped in an soft, oven-warm exterior.

Old prejudices wrapped in an soft, oven-warm exterior.
And if it's (half) baked to a golden brown colour you can sell it to nearly anyone....

I have heard that many of the world leaders are blood drinking lizards.
Is there any verification for this?

Maybe they forgot to stock up on SoBe Adrenaline Rush Energy Drink!

They must have been in such a hurry they forgot to stock up on lubricants too.

personally for some strange reson i find this world holod so much that we dont even realize its is mind blown alot of it has been forgotten in the past in my eyes on purpose the mayans, other ancient civiliztions used to hold far more wisdom and knowledge then most of ourwestern civilizations do now... and they lived in the past.. they understood stars astronomy the sun.. they had a greater understanding of earth and the universe then we do right now... how i wonder.... hmm mabye they realized the true potenitals humans have... they didnt have douts about what they could or couldnt do... they had an understanding of dimentions (which are very real by the way try to take up astral prohjection as proof of this i have) hey mabye thats how they got the understanding of the planets and what not... the reson im brining all this up is beacuse looking at the past shows you how amazing humans used to be we still are its just the fact we are living in so much fear created by the media it makes us dout ourselves and makes us not realize the potenials we all hold.. which is basically anything we can imagine....

see if there is such thing as a god and such thing as satan and wewhere made in the image of god then we should be able to accomplish anything we have the ability to learn anything we derise complete any goal in our minds eye.... the god all the religions talk about was able to do anything in his mind... just we can when we realzie there is no reson for the dout or the negative thought... i belive david ickes view and you know why.... if the government was here to make this world a better place why would they spread so much negativity to the world, why would they start wars over money religion over NOTHING.. WHY... why wouldnt they tell the people about all the infinite possabilities we are able to meet and precive instead of trying to scare us into staying in our houses and waking everyone around us for terrorists huh? what is the pupose of all of this is my question when it is not needed at all.... why dont we start living our lives how we want to instead of living the ideal human life to societys standers....

see how this is the thing if there is such thing as satan or a huge negative force out there it loooks like to me that hes in charge as of right now.. if the government was the follower of god we would all realize we are all equal and capable of so muhc... but from what i can see all our governemt does is try to scare us, fill us with negative thought, fill us with paranoya i can go on but all i see is negativity in the world we live in now... well not all negativity but i think you might get what im trying to open your eyes to....

the main question is why is there a need for fear and negativity when we can live in positivity.... the negative thought is always easier then the positive.. but the energy of the positive thougt is alot more efficieant then the negative will ever be...

p.s. they arent blood sucking lizard people...they are fear thriving energetic beeings who feed on the energy that is produced by fear which is a very powerful emotion.. like a ki vampire

other ancient civiliztions used to hold far more wisdom and knowledge then most of ourwestern civilizations do now...
No.
and they lived in the past..
Would that be why they're called ancient civilisations?
they understood stars astronomy the sun..
Well they could see them and do some calculations..
they had a greater understanding of earth and the universe then we do right now
Doubtful.
hey had an understanding of dimentions
Evidence?
(which are very real by the way try to take up astral prohjection as proof of this i have)
Provide proof.
p.s. they arent blood sucking lizard people...they are fear thriving energetic beeings who feed on the energy that is produced by fear which is a very powerful emotion.. like a ki vampire
Evidence? And a "ki vampire" would be...?

LOL are u kidding me ok the mayans first of all understood sun spots which we are jsut starting to understand now.. they understood the orbits of the planets without the use of a telescope they could predict ecsplises up to 7 hours away alll without the use of technology..... look but the mayan calander and do some reading on it same goes with the egyption...

as for the dimentions its all over there art work in temple all over the place.. in the art... art is symbolic and has so many meanings its not even funny alot more then 100 words thats for sure you might not understand what im trying to say but im sure a few people will....


yah they can see them and do calculations thats why they knew about all the planets in the solar system and their orbits i think you jsut got pwned hahaha ive done my far share of readings on anthropology and ancient civilizations i suggest you do the same because there is alot that has been froggoten in the past....

astral projection is the seperation of the energetic for or the spirit/soul of your body from your physical body or your vessal for physical experiance... its all over hyrogliphics ancient art as proof.. and i myself have had about 3 astral projections which ive predicted evens befo they have happened in symbolic ways.. so i have my own proof from experiance.... byut if your seeking proof in modern days its going to be hard to find considering most of our science in directed in a diffrent way... this topic isnt about astral projection i jsut used it as an example of the potienitals we hold that are beeing hidden from us.. i said take up astral projection and try it for yourself which will take a month or less or more depending on your will power experiance it for yourself so you 2 can unnderstand

and see they had a greater understanding of the universe and planet becuse they not only have the physical knowledge of it all but also the spiritual wisdom.. which in my mind is a greater understanding...

and as for ki vampire well you know what a vampire is im sure ki vampire is a beeing who absorbes a certian energy, life force, ki from a select target.... like the reptilians focused on absorbing the energy of fear us humans produce when scared which enables them to i guees live or keep them powerful

p.s. the reson they dont have any ancient documents stating anything about dimentions of the world is beacuse when the europians i think it was colonized the area and destroyed the civilizations the churchs and religions had all the scripts burned beacuse it was blasphimy and when agiasnt the reality they create on the other side of the sea.... but in the mayan civilization is was all still very real as it is today we just need to unlock the past and experiance it for ourselves in a new way...

this is why i mentioed art work they couldnt burn the art inside the temples so they jsut said tsi all non sence or they translated it into what they thoug it ment when mostlikey it ment many diffrent things on a much higher level of thinking :)

Oh this is going to be fun:
Sunspots and Maya:
And although there is no clear evidence that the Inca or the Maya noticed sunspots, the Aztec myth of creation involves a sun god with a pock-marked face, which strongly suggests that they had seen dark blemishes on the sunhttp://www.exploratorium.edu/sunspots/history.html
Saw and UNDERSTOOD are not the same.
they understood the orbits of the planets without the use of a telescope Planets? Which ones? Venus and Mars are visible to the naked eye.
as for the dimentions its all over there art work in temple all over the place.. in the art... art is symbolic and has so many meanings Correct, you make it mean anything you want - up to and including unsupportable "knowledge of dimensions".
yah they can see them and do calculations thats why they knew about all the planets in the solar system and their orbits i think you jsut got pwned All the planets? Another myth. Calculations are easy if you have enough observations, even naked-eye ones. I think you just got confused.
ive done my far share of readings on anthropology and ancient civilizations i suggest you do the same because there is alot that has been froggoten in the past.... I think you should read some real books, there's a lot that's not understood today - by you.
astral projection is the seperation of the energetic for or the spirit/soul of your body from your physical body or your vessal for physical experiance... its all over hyrogliphics ancient art as proof..
No. astral prjection is a topic for woo-woos. Spirit/ soul is an unprove and unverifiable nonsense. And it's all over hieroglyphics because it was an unsubstantiated belief. Learn what proof is - one thing it's not is accepting ancient mythology as fact.
nd i myself have had about 3 astral projections which ive predicted evens befo they have happened in symbolic ways. You mean you've hallucinated and then fitted what you can remember to what's happened later and ignore whatever doesn't suit you.
i jsut used it as an example of the potienitals we hold that are beeing hidden from us Like an education?
and see they had a greater understanding of the universe and planet becuse they not only have the physical knowledge of it all but also the spiritual wisdom.. which in my mind is a greater understanding...
No they didn't. And you appear to understand nothing.
and as for ki vampire well you know what a vampire
Yup. A story-book creature.
is im sure ki vampire is a beeing who absorbes a certian energy, life force, ki from a select target....
You read this story, or did somebody read it to you?
like the reptilians focused on absorbing the energy of fear us humans produce when scared which enables them to i guees live or keep them powerful
Or fictional. Although I do have to give you credit on getting something right. Humans ARE fearful when scared. Wow. learn something every day.

OMF BULLSHIT iim soo pissed off i jsut wrote like fucking soo much information on everything you jsut stated uhhhh and then i clciked psot and it said page cannot be displayed.... ok i promise im going to get back to you on that but i jsut spend 10 min writting so much and its gone talk about stressful lol

see the thing is im 100% postive that they understood and you want to know why they teird into there mayan calander spesific dates as to when there would eb certian types of sun spots and how it would effect the weather and the planet in general.. the fact that its tied into there calander and notonly that but also it could predict ecplises up to 7 hours away 100 years from when the calander was first made makes it obviusle that they understood and not jsut saw

hmm as f the plnets i find this one funny.... well considering when you look up in the sky you see million of stars it makes me curois as to how they could determain which was just a star and which was acually a planet in this galaxy which they did with great persision.. hmm and also recorded the orbit of the planets! all with the naked eye strange ifyou ask me.. expesally considering how would they be able to tell the diffrence and even tie the orbits once agaan into the calander.... hmm i think thats understanding and not just an observation!
and yes observation is easy but to record it all and how it works into the solar cycle of their calander come on with the naked eye you go out and try to do that hahaha without the knowledge of planets even existing hahaa

hmm hallucinations and jsut [putting it all together and making it mean what i want to hahah my freind there is alot more to it then you can understand until you experiance it for yourself... its basically liek tapping into your sub concoiuse mind concously... there is no hallucination it is all very real.. but i cant argue wiht one wiht you beacuse you hvant experinaced it and tois one of those things u have to experinace it fo yourself.. so why judge me and say it was a hallucination when it predicted a negative event in my life when i was with my freinds and along wiht that many other things..... take some time and try it fo yourself befor you judge thats ignorance my freind open your mind a bit.. the path of one though is a jail fo your mind look at the world through the eyes of another change your perspective... it he;lps open your mind p.s. i remeber everything that happened to me when i astral projected like a memory of a physical moment it is a very real thing my freind its jsut been forgoten for a reson and that reson is beacuse of the possabilitiy the ony human talent hold alone..

what does the education comment haveto do with anything thats kinda obvius man getting side tracked are we? education is kinda pointed all in the same direction it limits your mind... education is obviusly great but having an education of society and one of your own is a diffrent story learn from yourself and from soceity..

and you say i appear to no nothing when infact that isnt true at all i no many thing for my age beeing 18 ive lived a lot longer life then you would expect i no so much about this world alot about life, humans, soceity, psychology philosophy i can go on... but uhh hey it just shows how smart you are for judgeing people is very simple minded try to be spesific that is going to get you know where its jsut a bleck comment good old human traits.....

also i did read the storys... and you know what ive also experianced them first hang... so have many of my freinds.. if i didnt have a first hand view of ceritan issues i owuldnt be here trying to put a few points across im not ehre to agruse with you im here to try and open your mind so you look at things in a diffrent view.... same as david icke is trying to do fo so many people....

and hey yah humans are fearful but if you look at our western society mabye you wuld realize that fear is beeing used agiasnt the masses to control them jsut look at the world in the perspective of another from mabye another civilization and you wiull see its not that hard

Maya scribes independently discovered eclipse prediction methods similar to those used by ancient Greek and Near Eastern astronomers.
Despite their abilities as observers, the scribes were sometimes willing to sacrifice accuracy in order to make cycles commensurate. They were also limited by the simple naked-eye techniques available to them. The eclipse table itself appears to do no more than identify "warning stations", times at which eclipses might occur, at which appropriate rituals would be required. However, it is not the accuracy of Maya astronomy so much as its ambition to capture the cycles of the heavens in an all-embracing framework of sacred time that is remarkable. from http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/3ECLIPSE.htm
So they weren't accurate and the Maya weren't the only ones... next!
hmm as f the plnets i find this one funny.... well considering when you look up in the sky you see million of stars it makes me curois as to how they could determain which was just a star and which was acually a planet in this galaxy which they did with great persision..
Because if you look at the meaning of the word planet it means wanderer. Planets move much more rapidly than stars and they sometimes move retrograde - basic astronomy, they do not move the way stars do. Your curiosity would appear to be limited to the one book. Try reading others.
and yes observation is easy but to record it all and how it works into the solar cycle of their calander come on with the naked eye you go out and try to do that hahaha without the knowledge of planets even existing hahaa
Make your mind up. Did they know the planets were there or not? They recorded what they saw. Full stop. Ha ha.
hmm hallucinations and jsut [putting it all together and making ... blah blah... that reson is beacuse of the possabilitiy the ony human talent hold alone..
Evidence? Of course not. It's unprovable, unrepeatable under controlled circumstances and anecdotal. Woo-woo.
what does the education comment haveto do with anything thats kinda obvius man getting side tracked are we? education is kinda pointed all in the same direction it limits your mind... education is obviusly great but having an education of society and one of your own is a diffrent story learn from yourself and from soceity..
My apologies on this one. Apparently some people don't need an "education to limit their mind"... they manage it on their own.
and you say i appear to no nothing when infact that isnt true at all i no many thing for my age beeing 18 ive lived a lot longer life then you would expect i no so much about this world alot about life, humans, soceity, psychology philosophy i can go on... but uhh hey it just shows how smart you are for judgeing people is very simple minded try to be spesific that is going to get you know where its jsut a bleck comment good old human traits.....
You've lived a lot longer than I would imagine? You're right. My first guess was that you were a 12 year old. You KNOW about psychology and philosophy or you saw a comic with those words on the cover? Congratulations - one day you'll be able do degree courses in them. Like I did.
also i did read the storys... and you know what ive also experianced them first hang... so have many of my freinds.. I should be surprised you have friends, but I'm not. Woo-woos tend to congregate.
same as david icke
Not quite the same as David Icke. You're a woo-woo, he's a rich woo-woo.
look at the world in the perspective of another from mabye another civilization and you wiull see its not that hard Since I live in this civilisation then I look at the world from the persepctive of this civilisation. Anything else is speculation.

i dont geet why your always tryiung ot be negative and bring me donw by saying negative things about me your a real asshole you know that jsut beaucse i have a difftrent oppinion then your beacuse i think as myself as more open minded and i look at diffrent side of the story makes me an idiot i think your an idiot beacuse your not beeing open minded but hey i dont go calling you names or moking you... i see no point to this..

read the mayan prophicy fool then come back and and arguee these points.. wow they did sacrifices that means nothing our govermnet starves thousands of people scares, i could go no its jsut in the religion and has nothign to do with this....

i said ancient civilizations in my first post.. not jsut the mayans they are an example..

my mind is made up that they where planets im stating the point of how could the mayans tell the diffrent between a planet in our solar system and a star in another galixy wihtoutthe use of a scope to tell them if it was or not pobiusly they had some type of infermation on the subjecxt or better understanding

lol its not unprovable tr it fo yourself everyone can do it some things are beyond our scientific knowledge considering it is pritty limitied in one direction.. science doesnt know everything at this point... dawrins theroey is beeing changed they are now realizing intelligent design (im jsut saying this to put the thought across that things do change once more realization is made and over time so keep your minds eye and your ears open lol)

david icke is rich and whats your point? thats completely irelivent alot ofpeople in this time is rick but beacuse of the things he does to hold all those big events he has and television or media things he needs money to do it money is required to be heard somethings in this era so your statement once agian is bleck there

it seems in alot of the things you say all your doing is making poor judjment of me i findit puthetic your pritty mature man wooo wooo

and im going into psychology and anthropology so dont you worry about that just wait woo woo

Any reader can see that your education, Ember-To-Inferno, is at a terribly embarrassing level of incompetence, you can't even write correctly, let alone provide a scientific argument. So I suggest that you uptake a university course in history or anthropology as fast as you can, provided that they accept you in. Oh, and some critical thinking too.

i dont geet why your always tryiung ot be negative and bring me donw by saying negative things about me your a real asshole you know that jsut beaucse i have a difftrent oppinion then your beacuse i think as myself as more open minded and i look at diffrent side of the story makes me an idiot i think your an idiot beacuse your not beeing open minded but hey i dont go calling you names or moking you... i see no point to this..
Hmmm let's have a look at this. I'm being negative because you're espousing complete unverifiable rubbish. Opinion does not count when facts are available. There's a difference between open-mindedness and gullible to the point of stupidity. No, you look like an idiot because you spout nonsense, I had nothing to do with - you're doing quite well on your own. Name calling? "Woo-woo" is self evident. "asshole", conversely, isn't. And calling me "asshole" isn't name calling?
read the mayan prophicy fool then come back and and arguee these points Pehaps you're not aware that "The Mayan Prophecy" is not a scientific text? When I want to read fiction I prefer good fiction.
my mind is made up that they where planets im stating the point of how could the mayans tell the diffrent between a planet in our solar system and a star in another galixy wihtoutthe use of a scope to tell them if it was or not pobiusly they had some type of infermation on the subjecxt or better understanding
And that's why you're a woo-woo - you've made your mind up, in contradistinction to looking at the information. A planet has a different motion than a star. (For the second time).
ol its not unprovable tr it fo yourself everyone can do it some things are beyond our scientific knowledge considering it is pritty limitied in one direction.. science doesnt know everything at this point... dawrins theroey is beeing changed they are now realizing intelligent design (im jsut saying this to put the thought across that things do change once more realization is made and over time so keep your minds eye and your ears open lol)
Of course it's unproveable. There is no evidence for souls or spirits, much less that they can leave the body... Correct. Science doesn't know everything at this point. So what? Intelligent design? Oh dear, you are lacking an education aren't you? Intelligent Design is a fallacy, a non-idea.
david icke is rich and whats your point? Your comprehension is lacking also. The point was that you compared yourself to Icke. I merely pointed that, except for Icke being rich, the comaprison was valid. You and he are both woo-woos.
it seems in alot of the things you say all your doing is making poor judjment of me i findit puthetic your pritty mature man wooo wooo
Since my judgement of you is based on the ideas you present, the manner in which they are presented, and the evidence with which you support those ideas then may I suggest that the "fault" lies with you... learn something. Learn the difference bewteen reality and wishful thinking. Learn to spell, punctuate and use grammar and syntax. Learn how to back up your assertions with facts rather than just make more ridiculous assertions.
and im going into psychology and anthropology so dont you worry about that just wait woo woo Good. You're going to into them? More reading on your own or a real course? Do the courses, perhaps you'll learn to distinguish between reality and stupidity.

how si it that beacuse i think diffrently then most of society it is considerd stupidity? beacuse i view the world diffrently then most? beacuse my freinds view the world diffrently then most.. do you ever wonder if people have diffrent perceptions then yourself if they see more or less then you yourself do? everyone has a brain and each person is in control of there brain and there physical body..some people understand this and are able to use it to their advantage while some people are left with out an understanding of what the brain is really cabaple of doing beacuse of the limitations that have been set up and ebacuse they have been born into a reailty full of limitations and restrictions....

i myself understand this and have at a younge age beacuse of person experiances i have been though..which has made me question many things about life in general and ive found some awnsers but not only that im left with more questions to find the awnser to a thrist for the unkown and all teh bueaty it holds... each of us has our own diffrent views on the world society humans.... but in my mind and in my reailty with my freinds, there is alot more to the world then there used to be.... and each day there is some new we discover

see this is whats in my mind.... instead of having limitations on everything laws and restrictions, physical weakness, sicknesses, ect i have realized that lol they dont have to be there and ive learned that at a younge age i used to be an the avedge kid pulling off c- s in every class just barly passing until i realized the potenital i hold... im accepted into collage and kicked ass on my last semestar in grade 12 and got all As and Bs woowoo.... sure my spelling sucks and my grammer but thats only ebacuse i could care less about it im sure you still understand what im saying its not to hard to read it all its the feelings the words have not how they are spelt you still get the points but i will try to re read my work and edit this..

just for you ladies

the main point here is that society these days is sheltering the mind with limitations fear and reistrictions so you dont become the person your really capable of becoming....your brain creates your belifes, your preceptions and your sensations.... its your brain why live somethings thats already been done and experiance when there is much more and so many diffrent ways to experaince this thing we call life... the reality i live is obviusly much diffrent then yours and many people on this forum beacuse ive realized im in control of my reality and see there is no negative factors or limitations in my reailty... everyday i awake feeling stronger, better more efficent, there is no hang over after drinking no lack of modivation or enegry the physical body is a vessal for experiance our minds and soul is in control of this and our minds and soul have endless emounts of energy once we realize how to tap into them... which understand how to do to some effect as of now just wait until later on in life once ive put more energy into these thoughts..
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how si it that beacuse i think diffrently then most of society it is considerd stupidity? beacuse i view the world diffrently then more? beacuse my freinds view the world diffrently then more.. do you ever wonder if people have diffrent perceptions then yourself if they see more or less then you yourself do? every has a brain and each person is in control of there brain..some people understand and are able to use it to their advantage while some people are left with out an understanding of what the brain is really cabaple of doing....

i myself understand this and have at a younge age beacuse of person experiances i have been though which has made me question manythings about life in general and ive found some awsners but not only that im left with more questions to awnser... each of us has our own diffrent views on the world society humans.... but in my mind and in my reailty with my freinds, there is alot more to the world then there used to be.... how old are you oli... out of curiosity...

see this is whats in my mind.... instead of having limitations on everything laws and restrictions, physical weakness, sicknesses, ect i have realized that lol they dont have to be there and ive learned that at a younge age i used to be an the avedge kid pulling off c-s jsut barly passing until i realized the potenital i hold... im not accepted into collage and kicked ass on my last semestar and got all As and Bs woowoo.... sure my spelling sucks and my grammer but thats only ebacuse i could care less about it im sure you still understand what im saying its not to hard to read it all...

the main point here is your sheltering your mind with limitations alonge with so many other people when its not needed....your brain creates your belifes, your preceptions and your sensations.... its your brain why live somethings thats already been done when there is so much more to experaince... the reality i live is obviusly much diffrent then yours beacuse ive realized im in control of my reality and see there is no negative factors in my reailty... everyday i awake feeling stronger, better more efficent, there is no hang over after drinking no lack of modivation or enegry the physical body is a vessal for experiance our minds and soul is in control of this and our minds and soul have endless emounts of energy once we realize how to tap into them... which understand how to do to some effect as of now jsut wait until later on in life once ive put more energy into these thoughts...


jesus christ the son of god this is what i find if funny... he was just an avedge person like you or me but he understood the poteinital humans had and learned at a younge age what we are capable of doing.... but the things was he was the savoir of the past the bringer of light in dark times.. and in the past there was less judgment and less negativity so his thoughts and belives spread fast to others and his reailty became that of the people who fully belived in him and put there complete energy into his personal belifes. those thoughts and the energy produced by those strong emotions empowerd him and becuase of such a strong beleife in him and so much consentrated energy he was able to accomplish all the goals in his reality those beeing things considerd supernatural abilities... until the realities of others in power felt threatened by the reality he creating and was choosing to live...

it was said in the past that chirsts will grow like grapes on a wine vine in clusters around the world.... the indigo children the generation of 88 just wait until the reailtys of others grow..... positive thoughts and energy is alot more powerful then its counter part negative energy and negative thoguths and the overall reailty of western soceity has alot more negativity then all of you even realize!!! just wait until the collective positive thoughts and energy is large enough to make a change the 100ths monkey effect i guess you can call it....

icke main point is that we need to realzie we dont ahve to live this one reality that our western society is living beacuse there is so many diffrent choices out there why not go out and create your own with YOUR own personal needs... become happy everyday have no negativity its not needed dont fear the terrorests or dont think everysingle person on your street might be creating a dirty bomb or wanting to rape your children beaucse there all jsut like you mabye a bit diffrent but thats beacuse they migh be living the reality they want to live

my generation is the generation that is going to have the power to change this world the polarity changing is already begining people are forming groups like minded people are find other groups of like mindedness and so forth....

how si it that beacuse i think diffrently then most of society it is considerd stupidity?
It's not because you "think differently" it's that appear to not think at all. You accept the ridiculous assertions that have no proof and ignore the real answers. You ignore the facts.
people are left with out an understanding of what the brain is really cabaple of doing....
Becoming more evident with each post you make.
here is alot more to the world then there used to be.
So now there's MORE to the world? What about the "forgotten knowledge"?
how old are you oli.
50. Why?
sure my spelling sucks and my grammer but thats only ebacuse i could care less about
Which is entirely indicative of your attitude to reality. You don't care about spelling, grammar, precision or facts. You're doing it your own way regardless of actual validity.
here is no negative factors in my reailty
Aww. You're forgetting there's me. I'm hurt.
my generation is the generation that is going to have the power to change this world
Yep. Your generation. But you won't be in their because you have no idea of how things work, you just accept the ridiculous stories about "ancient civilisations controlling things with their minds".
jesus christ the son of god this is what i find if sunny... he was jsut an avedge man
Read the relevant thread. There is no historical evidence that Jesus ever existed.
the indigo children the generation of 88
More drivel.
just wait until the reailtys of others grow
I'll be honest here. This is the part that absolutely scares the shit out of me. A generation of woo-woos who are going to let the world fall into ruin - because you can't change a fucking plug by mind power.
the collective positive thoughts and energy is large enough to make a change the 100ths monkey effect i guess you can call it.
I've quoted this sentence bcause it's a perfect counter example to your comment here -im sure you still understand what im saying its not to hard to read it all Its not TOO HARD, it's obscure, illiterate drivel and I have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about.
So presumably, since you say you're not accepted into college it means you're "learning" pychology and anthropolgy on your own. Hard luck because you won't learn a damn thing. As soon as you come across a science book, as opposed to one that says "it's okay, think positive", you'll chuck it in the bin and go back to Dick and Jane.

sry man i was editing my whole post to better your needs beacuse of my grammer i wanted to be a nice guy but then i pressed post.. lol and my internet happened to be down and it took me an hourto fix it the internet is my only negative factor in my reality lmfao it always shuts off on me one things i cant control lol

lol a bunch of woowoos hey man us woo woos are nice people we put others befor our selfs we think of others first.... and there for we benifit greatly from eachother beacuse we are all putting each of ourselfs befor one anothers... synergy nothing bad about that man

yah it is a perfect couter example you know why beacuse your generation is the one that has a stronger reailty right now beacuse there is more people who belive in its system... o shit then time comes into play here... there is wars.. natural disasterds... people dissapear population drops.... o whats going on? why are things changing.. well hmm thats beacuse us woowoo are really good at surviving without physical needs we do what we can to survive we are humans survival of the fittest and our positivity is alot more powerfull then the people who think negativitly... so more of us woowoo survive over time beacuse are are younge as of now no one lisens to us but when disasters come and ect ect there will be less of you COO COOs and your reailty will start to change to the 100th monkey effect of us WOO WOOs....

and that forgotten knowledge is jsut a bit to what this world has to offerwe need to uncover the truths of the past so we can discover even more in the future... we learn from the past so we can make better choices learn from our mistakes but we must make a true realization of certian events in the past befor we can move on instead of looking at lies

beacuse us woowoo are really good at surviving without physical needs
Then good luck sunshine. Remember when the fridge packs up and there's no fresh food that your mind will fix things.
but we must make a true realization of certian events in the past befor we can move on instead of looking at lies
You appear to be having language problems. "True realisation" should be spelt "wishful thinking instead of getting off your arse and doing something" and "looking at lies" is more correctly "understanding the way things really work"

and i asked your age befor beacuse i had a feeling you where born in the baby boom era which you kind of where... you where born in the era when people started to take more then they really needed instead when materalistic items started becoming nessesaties a part of everyday life ect ect i was just curious... greed selfishness money all of that jsut starting to thrive to what its become now but im getting off topic kind of sorry im intrested in people i arguee with.. well this really isnt argueing its jsut diffrent oppinions beeing stated getting diffrent sides to the story i would think somone of your age would be more polight/ kind towards other peoples oppinions but i guees not.... p.s. i do look at the facts but i jsut see thats there alot more to the fact until i experiance it fo myself insteadof getting antoher persons experiance of it

lol see the thing is in your reality food is the only energy in my reailty food is the lowest form of physical energy.... we have charkas for a reson they absorb the most potient type of life energy there is once your able to understand and use them its natural tho soits not to hard to learn how to do :).. so hahaha food isnt really an issue for me i only need water and a few minor things to eat so i dont really ahve to worrie about that issue while you do :P



true realization, looking at the lies lol yah that works perfectly but we are thinking on diffrent levels here so i guees in your mind and the minds of other i have a laungue problem but in my mind it works.. im just expressing the feelings just like you are but in diffrent ways and diffrent wording

p.s. could you read the post agian where i mentioned christ beacuse i edited it and put mroe thought into it made it easier to understand/ read thanks

also your right the son of god might not of existed but an averdge person like you and me did exist and he sure did many things in his life time which opened the minds and eyes of many people....

and i asked your age befor beacuse i had a feeling you where born in the baby boom era ... greed selfishness money all of that jsut starting to thrive to what its become now but im getting off topic kind of sorry im intrested in people i arguee with..
Well well. So you have a go at me for judging you on your linguistic abilities. Okay. For your information I live in a one bedroom flat. I've never had more money than I've actually earnt (and usually less). And everything I've owned I've worked for. So now who's judging?
i would think somone of your age would be more polight/ kind towards other peoples oppinions but i guees not....
Oh, you misunderstand. I AM polite towards other peoples' opinion. When it is a matter of opinion. What you are saying is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of verification, proof and tangible evidence. The reason I am "not polite" (and in fact I'm being tolerant with you, you're not really worth much more effort than that) is that you keeping spouting gobbleydegook without one supporting fact or item of proof.
p.s. i do look at the facts
Really? So far you've shown no aptitude whatsoever towards recognising facts. Maybe "look" is all you do?
we have charkas for a reson they absorb the most potient type of life energy
There's a technical term for what you've just said- utter and total bollocks. hard to learn how to do Not really.It's a two stage process with differing degrees of difficulty
Stage 1) Actually use "chakras" so that you don't need food
Difficulty: impossible
Stage 2) Become a woo-woo and convince yourself you've done it (while stuffing your face with food from the fridge because you're inexplicably hungry)
Difficulty: all too easy for the ignorant.
It sort of averages out to "not really hard to learn" and "zero actual effect"

thinking on diffrent levels here
Not quite. I'm thinking, you're deluding yourself
so i guees in your mind and the minds of other i have a laungue problem but in my mind it works.. im just expressing the feelings just like you are but in diffrent ways and diffrent wording
Yes, it's called illiteracy, incomprehensibility and inability to maintain a coherent thought structure. And your mind doesn't work, you're a lazy, sloppy and ineffective "thinker".
also your right the son of god might not of existed but an averdge person like you and me did exist and he sure did many things in his life time which opened the minds and eyes of many people....
An average person opened up the minds of other people? Or do you mean "it wasn't Jesus but someone else with his "powers""? Jesus did not exist. The bible is a fairy story - the "miracles" in the bible did not happen, they are a collection of myths.

lol first of i totally wasnt judging you man but the era you where born :)
and you know what you say i have no proof but thats not true beacuse ive experianced most of it first hand in my own life and my freinds have also to some extent so it is true... have you ever experianced an even in your life that you cannot explain to this day something that jsut made you shut up and not sleep for a day.. the blew your mind scared you until you couldnt move? if so i bet you kept it to yourself beacuse if you told people they might have judged you or called you mad beacuse of what you experianceD?

look hahah more like experianceing it for myself is what i do... it seems to me like looking is something that you do looking through the eyes of another that is.

hmm strange i dont eat to much food on a day to day basis and yet im in pefect condiation im not fat not skinny more muscle mass in my body then fat

and there you go difficulty impossable nice one coo coo.. in your reality you have the word impossable that is the limitation righ now in my mind nothing is impossable you jsut need to put will into it and give the though time feed the thought until it manifests itself in physical reailty or a dimention close to it :P

if i was a lazy ineffective thinker i wouldnt have found this forum and i wouldnt be here talking to you... id be zombied out on the tv like most peopel my age doing nothing with my life but watching americans top model or lisening to the radio having thoughts put into my head for me without creating thought of my own... a geiniues creates new prespectives of looking at the same old things.. he doesnt make mistakes only new doors to find the answers to i am obvisuly not a moron beacuse i dont watch tv.. i dont lisen to the radio, i read, i write i draw i go outside and experiance life to the fullest each day how does this make me a lazy ineffective thinking thanks for judgeing me once agian all knowing wise man

everyone douts the geniuse when he first puts forth his ideas enstien all the true geniuses of this world here laughed at in the begnning beacuse they thougth diffrently from the rest ebacuse they created there own thoughts and experinaced them... it was only until they spread what they know mouth to mouth or made an eye opening discovery did people truely understand there consepts and perspectives of there ideas beacuse of the passion and the deirses created by the human voice...

and you know what call me a fool and mock me as much as you want beacuse i am on a fools quest its always the fool who questions and become curoise.. and always steping into unknown waters and makes a discover...

and you know what you say i have no proof but thats not true beacuse ive experianced most of it first hand in my own lif
Anecdatol evidence. Hallucinations. Probably caused by lack of vitamins.
have you ever experianced an even in your life that you cannot explain to this day something Several times.
that jsut made you shut up and not sleep for a day.. the blew your mind scared you until you couldnt move? Nope. I investgated it rather than accept the face value.
if so i bet you kept it to yourself beacuse if you told people they might have judged you or called you mad beacuse of what you experianceD?
Nope. I investigated it for all it was worth.

and there you go difficulty impossable nice one coo coo.. in your reality you have the word impossable that is the limitation righ now in my mind nothing is impossable you jsut need to put will into it and give the though time feed the thought until it manifests itself in physical reailty or a dimention close to it :P I must admit you're quaintly diverting, if somewhat repetitive. But you have little-to no concept of anything other than your own delusions. Why don't you "will" me to accept your view of things. Oh, you can't because I've got closed mind. Convenient that isn't it? Oh, one thing - I don't have the word "impossable", I spell it "impossible".

why dont i will you? lol beause its really your choice if you want to live your life to the fullest extent.... i cant tell you what to do.. everyones mind is closed at one point until they open it lol very strang i guees all my freinds see the same delusions as me at the exact same time hahaha wow i guees we could be crazy!!!

and ive gone to the doctor nmany times and he said im in perfect health high above averdge so the lack of vitamins is not the issue my freind

out of curiousity what did you experiance?

and you know oli if it was jsut me that experinaced these things i would dout myself greatly and id probly consider myself crazyand go all emo and cut my wirsts andwhat not.. but it the fact the its not jsut me its my freinds who also view these events and so many thigns at the exact same time as i do when im with them that makes me have such a stronge blief that there is so much more that we are missing out on...

Maybe they forgot to stock up on SoBe Adrenaline Rush Energy Drink!

They must have been in such a hurry they forgot to stock up on lubricants too.

Do you honestly think all those consumer products on the market are for humans? Try humanoid!

Do you honestly think you could point out any real difference between humans and your "humanoids"?
Genetic, physiological, dietary, anything? Anything at all? Stiff little fingers maybe? Spare head in the cupboard at home...

Polydactyl, for one. Well, you did mention fingers. *Big cheesy grins here*

Read the bibles.

FOCLMFAO duh?

Riiight. And there are what products available for polydactyls?
So you're saying the Amish are aliens right? And everone who's ever given birth to a polydactyl child is... part alien or had an extra-marital affair with an alien.
The bible? Read far better fiction.
Dun exactly.

Riiight. And there are what products available for polydactyls?
Surgeries.

So you're saying the Amish are aliens right?
No, you mention them. Are they? Like Goliath's family? (They were ordered killed.)

And everone who's ever given birth to a polydactyl child is... part alien or had an extra-marital affair with an alien.
Obviously, some alien DNA there.

The bible? Read far better fiction.
The bible makes all space fiction pale by comparison to it's true story.

Dun exactly.
The movie Dune?, not too bad.

Norval :D

And no-one BUT polydactlys use surgeries?
The Amish have a higher than usual frequency of polydactyly...
Some alien DNA. Yup, so we're all part alien then.?
Like I said, how do you distinguish human from humanoid...?
The bible is true story? Right? Every word, or just the bits that support your theory? Or is it a metaphor that you can decipher as you wish?

Your sensless questionings are too funny. FOCLMFAO *yer a hoot!

Hey I gave yah one example, now dope out the rest of it for yourself, or are yah just as lazy as the rest of these loser fallen ones?

The bible aint about religion, but then you needent worry none too much about that, you would know.

Norval (yah all need some new material, sighs)

Geoff, if you look back on the thread, you will see that it may be wise to clarify which is the former and which is the latter.

Those who wish to push a "dialectical materialism" view of the universe might find it more effective to comport themselves as professionals, or at least as individuals who understand the value of courtesy. There is something about the knee-jerk emotional reactions that people display when defending their view of "reality", those who think of themselves as members of the establishment, that just screams emotional insecurity and poor knowledge of their own subject. This includes the typical derision of allegedly strange points of view. Such habits are useful to those who do not want the establishment view to be challenged. They are needful because so many such views cannot honestly face any honest challenge. The establishment side always devolves into derision, dishonesty, even intimidation and if possible silencing.

The sum of this touches on what we are doing here. The idea that there is no such thing as shapeshifting aliens is harder to debunk when we have an establishment that makes such a habit, even institutionalizes the habit of undermining its own credibility by taking every opportunity it gets to behave unprofessionally and discourteously. This seems as good a place as any for such a speech. Fantastical notions such as shapeshifting aliens may well gain their only credibility from the lack of character of those who deny them and the poor quality of the denials. The establishment is not innocent in all of this. It has its own pretenses, delusions, and deliberate deceptions by the big lots.

Those who want to define reality for the rest of us need to clean up their acts.


Whew. Cool reposte. Have yer shape shifted yet Geoff?..GEOFF??

Geoff the Gecko has left the building. Probably gone to find some flies and bugs to eat.

but realty is soemthing that one person cant define as a whole beacuse it is all very diffrent for each of us considering each and everysingle one of us has an ego that is not the same as another... we all have diffrent beliefs in religons god aliens what is wrong or right considerd positive and negative.....these belifes are what create our indavidual reaitly... our brains produce what we see and our belifes and ego help our brain create and choose what reailty we choose manifest...

david icke isnt about changing everyones reailty.. he is trying to get the point across that we have the abilitiy to create our own reailty instead of living the reailty that has been already previously choosen this collective whole reailty we have been born into and grown to know so well...

you say we need to clean up our acts and define reailty when the term reailty lies diffrent in everysingle person....

in my reailty i see this physical world which we all live in as energy... energy which has been created by the power of the brain... this energy fades in and out of physical reailty into diffrent dimentions... our world in my eyes is like a slide show the clips move so fast we dont see the indavidual pictures we see the full motion beacuseour physical sences can only pick up so much... everyday i look out of my window and beacuse i have realized energy is real i see it in every object person and physical manifestation... bits of colour, staticy almost... always moveing never in the same creating what we see what we have been told to see..

we choose what we belief is real beacuse of past exeriances of ourself and others.... the question is why live in the collective whole reailty when there is so much drama tragety and fear... why watch the television and see people getting killed hurt sex cartoons ect when all this does is fill our mind with fears and what we are told we are suppsoed to do... why not jsut create the reailty you wish to live with your freinds.. and aviod all of the negative factors which seem to haunt us so much? there is so many possabilities in the whole why give them up for a common thought that has been deluted....

you have said i have delusion beacuse of my astral projection but this is my reailty and im living it to the fullest im exloring everysingle thing i can and im finding my own awsner to all of it instead of using somone elses.. delusions to you mabye but they are very real to me everything is.. so whats the problem when im the happiest outgoing guy i know rarly dealing with stress everyone loves beegin around me haha thses "delusions" you think i have has helped me in so many ways its unexplanable at this point

my question is why live somone elses life label yourself beacuse of the job u have care for the judgment others give you worry about what the next tragaty to come onto tv or when the next bomb is going to blow up... whos going to win next top model, when you can live the reality that fully suits YOUR INDAVIDUAL needs isntead of living the collective whole reailty which is supposed to be perfect and is supposed to take care of everyones needs when the people who created this whole reailty are reallly only filling the needs of there personal reailty and pulling the strings of everyone else to see who can become more powerful..... look for yourself

you say we need to clean up our acts and define reailty when the term reailty lies diffrent in everysingle person....
Ever tried proving that theory with what in my reality is a high speed vehicle coming at you?
in my reailty i see this physical world which we all live in as energy...[quote]
Then you're not looking correctly.
[quote]energy which has been created by the power of the brain...
No. Keep trying.
this energy fades in and out of physical reailty into diffrent dimentions No it doesn't.
Reality is a demonstrable fact. That is why it's shared. What's in an individual's head is belief - if it goes against demonstrable fact, especially to the extent you're taking it, then it's delusion.
But upon reading the entirety of your post I begin to understand - you're an
ineffectual loser with delusions that convince you you're going to mean something one day. Do you take drugs?

i smoke weed and yes im going to mean something one day unlike you lol why ami a loser beacuse im making my life as positive as possable beacuse i have set up goals beacuse my freinds ahve the same feelings as me.... obviusly over a forum i cant really explain everything i see and what im really trying to saying to a full extent.. if we talked in person things would be much diffrent judge me all you want but you have no idea what kinda of person i really and u just have a profile frm this wedsite and jsut a few bits of information about me from what i have said in my posts you know

you know your a real cunt for being 50 i try to tallk to you in the best possable way i can and not offend you in my posts and in everysingle time u reply all yu do is call me names like stupid loser ect.... your the loser here not me you cranky old basterd

read the rules for this section stop bashing me and my oppinions and my ambitions and trying to agrivate me mature up and make some friggen positive comments

Keep trying.
As has been explained to you several times, this is a science forum. This thread is in the pseudo-science section. When you make a claim you are required to provide evidence and supporting data. All you have provided is unfounded speculative drivel and incoherent rambling.
And then followed it up with more of the same.
You have no proof, no data, no evidence. You do however have, as stated, delusions and bad spelling.
you know your a real cunt for being 50
That's the attitude. That's called changing the topic - you can't provide facts, so you choose something else to have a go at. And that something, by the way, was provided by me at your request because you're too stupid to even check my profile. Way to go halfwit. And for future information, should I continue meeting people like you, I'll be a cunt into my nineties.
i try to tallk to you in the best possable way i can
Not true - you meander inanely and make stupid unprovable speculations, backed up by your own delusions.
and not offend you in my posts
Again, not true -every single word of your specious, asinine idiocy is offensive.
and in everysingle time u reply all yu do is call me names like stupid loser ect
Because every single time you FAIL TO SEE THE FUCKING POINT OF SCIFORUMS - science, evidence and data.
your the lost here not me you cranky old basterd
No, I'm on Sciforums, whereas you are lost. Go back to your sandpit and grow up. Don't come back until you know how to present your "points", such as they are, correctly, lucidly and with more support than "I'm going to mean something someday". Because until you do all the best you'll ever manage to be is roadkill.
read the rules for this section
I have - especially:If your the poster:
You have to be prepared to have anything hurled at them in regards to their
thought, if it hurts to have your thought condemned by peers then "Please do
not post your thought to the forums" because the likelihood is there is always
someone that will want to put you down for entertainment value.
trying to agrivate me
I'm not "trying to aggravate you" - I'm trying to get some sense out of you, and supporting data.
mature up and make some friggen positive comments
Positive comment? Okay. With luck you'll grow and realise what a moron you've been. But I doubt it.

Isn't it somewhat interesting to witness firsthand a nest of infighting minions, their mannerism, vocabulary and character peculiarities.
:D

There is no doubt the government does nothing but lie and use mass manipulation to control the people.

However, theoreis of reptilian blood drinkers is a little far fetched.
I am not like the ignorant individuals for I am open to ideas under an important paradigm:
It is most definitely possible that everything we know about history and science is not the whole picture. It is possible that few people with great power are withholding information to the public for the sake of control.

These stories about ancient lost civilizations such as Atlantis, reptilian visitors from Nibiru, white people from Mars, and ancient technologeis are not accepted by modern history. But who is the official that tells us what really happened in history?

Masons doing human sacrafice is not too far fetched considering dead bodies were found in Benjamin Franklin's basement. The only way to really know the conflicting information that we are being given is to seek the truth with an open mind.

David Icke claims that you can hypnotize a person into thinking something is invisible. Then the person will be able to see right through the object as if it really was invisible. This sound like bollocks.

It's insane, he's insane, and anyone that believes this junk isn't far behind :D