A judge gave Brett Haines a choice Friday: Go to jail or go to church.

The Anderson Township man, convicted of disorderly conduct, immediately chose six weeks of Sunday worship over 30 days in the Hamilton County Justice Center.

But there’s a catch.

Haines, who was accused of using racial slurs and threatening a black cab driver, must attend services at any one of Cincinnati’s predominantly African-American churches.

“It seems readily apparent to me that you don’t like black people,” Judge William Mallory Jr. told Haines. “That’s OK with me. But you have to understand that you are at the whim and authority of a black judge.”

That’s when Mallory offered church as an alternative sentence, an option he said that might broaden Haines’ cultural awareness and, in some small way, could help heal Cincinnati’s “racial divide.”

“If you want to get out of jail, you’re going to have to raise your black consciousness,” the judge said.

Mallory said he was concerned about maintaining a separation between church and state, so he asked Haines if the option would offend his beliefs.

Haines said he was not a church-going man but would like to give it a try.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060113/NEWS01/301120001/-1/CINCI

If it were the other way 'round, a black man having to attend a white church, the black community would be screaming "Racism!", and the ACLU would sue the shit outta' the court, and blacks would be demonstrating and rioting all over the nation!

Baron Max

I think it makes sense. The judge gave him a choice. If he hadn't been racist in the first place then he wouldn't be in that situation. It is not racism it is offering a racist man a chance to see and learn about what he hates so he can then make a more educated decision about whether or not he will continue to hate black people. If he didn't want to do that then he could have gone to jail like anybody else would have had to do. If it had been a white judge and a black man then i doubt he would have been given the opportunity to learn before being locked up.

I'm not trying to set up an argument about it. This is just how i see it.

He should have not been given any choices other than jail....more black people there to learn from right!?

That judgement was unconstitutional on so many levels...

And I agree whole-heartedly with Baron Max. They like to scream about how we (whites) need to appreciate black culture but do they make any attempt to appreciate the white cultures? Hell no. They lump us all in as "caucasians" and peg us as golf-playing suburbanites whose idea of a wild time is to mix regular coffee in with the decaf or else as sibling-screwing summer-toothed hillbillies. Somehow this isn't racist.

But just for fun:
What I want to see in the interest of fairness (and to give poll-takers a migraine) is a slight change to those questionnaires that ask about your ethnic background. I want to see every ethnic group listed, not just
Caucasian
Black
Asian (Oriental)
Middle Eastern
Native American
Eskimo
Other

I want to see things like Celtic, Pict, Slav, Nordic, Congolese, Nubian, Moorish, etc. Since most of us are mixed-breeds anyway, just check the dominant one. How many are there, anyway? (My brother used to check Other and write "Klingon".)

That judgement was unconstitutional on so many levels...

Name one. The man wasn't forced to attend the church, he was given a choice, and was asked if it went against his ideals, to which he responded no (of course he would, I would rather be sentenced to church then jail!). Also, he got a much easier sentence then jail time. Instead of being locked up, he only has to go to church with Black people to address his racism, a sentence he chose. There was no violation of church and state, there was no racism at the hands of the judge, and the man was given the choice to decline and just be sent to jail if he wanted to.

And I agree whole-heartedly with Baron Max. They like to scream about how we (whites) need to appreciate black culture but do they make any attempt to appreciate the white cultures? Hell no. They lump us all in as "caucasians" and peg us as golf-playing suburbanites whose idea of a wild time is to mix regular coffee in with the decaf or else as sibling-screwing summer-toothed hillbillies. Somehow this isn't racist.

It's that way because you make it that way, Go ask any random 10 "White" people on the street what their "ethnicity" is and the majority will say "White". Remember, you Caucasions, European-Americans, or any other term you would like to be called run everything, including the colleges, corporations, the census, and any other institution that asks for your ethnicity. You can change it whenever you want.

"Go to church or get butt-raped in a cage while the guards play solitaire in their office." Some choice. Kind of like "Worship the Catholic God or get burned at the stake." Gee, which one are you gonna take?

So, tell me, how does the word "white" make us all successful middle-class?

What a terrible thing - being made to go to church!

"Go to church or get butt-raped in a cage while the guards play solitaire in their office." Some choice. Kind of like "Worship the Catholic God or get burned at the stake." Gee, which one are you gonna take?

You are acting as if the jail sentence was unwarranted. He committed unorderly conduct using racial slurs, he was given a choice of jail (for committing a crime), or interaction with African-Americans in a church (to address his racism), of which he chose the church. If a "Black" man was given a choice like that, for example if a Black guy hit a White guy and called him a "cracker" so the judge gives him a choice of jail or daily attendance of an all White church in a suburb, you all would be screaming that the judge is letting the "Black" guy off easy.

So, tell me, how does the word "white" make us all successful middle-class?

I never said that, so I won't respond to your challenge.

As I never said the jail sentence was unwarranted. He threatened someone else, so he should be punished according to due process of law. What we have here, however, is a court endorsing religion as a means of correcting socially unacceptable behavior. It should never have been offered. He should have done his time and then be left on his own to decide if he wanted to modify his feelings towards another race.

If a "Black" man was given a choice like that, for example if a Black guy hit a White guy and called him a "cracker" so the judge gives him a choice of jail or daily attendance of an all White church in a suburb, you all would be screaming that the judge is letting the "Black" guy off easy.
I doubt this would even come up. It seems that racial slurs against white people are not considered racism by society in general.

I wonder if he will go to this black church?

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=4390073&nav=2gQc

Why go there when he can attent services with reverend al sharpton and hear all about the evils of the white man...

Or make him go to New Orleans as a laborer ....a white laborer in a vast ocean of "chocolate"? :)

Baron Max

Got that ocean part right...

As I never said the jail sentence was unwarranted. He threatened someone else, so he should be punished according to due process of law. What we have here, however, is a court endorsing religion as a means of correcting socially unacceptable behavior. It should never have been offered. He should have done his time and then be left on his own to decide if he wanted to modify his feelings towards another race.

Let's see, sentence him to jail, or try to educate his ignorant ass? The judge did the right thing.

I doubt this would even come up. It seems that racial slurs against white people are not considered racism by society in general.

But do you deny that if a Black man was given a similar sentence you would be screaming that Blacks are being let off easy?

But do you deny that if a Black man was given a similar sentence you would be screaming that Blacks are being let off easy?

A black man would never, ever have even been arrested for that same crime ....since no one, no police officer, would want to be responsible for starting riots that would destroy whole sections of the city!!

Baron Max

A black man would never, ever have even been arrested for that same crime ....since no one, no police officer, would want to be responsible for starting riots that would destroy whole sections of the city!!

Baron Max


LOL, tell me, when was the last time there was a full scale riot by Black people?

LOL, tell me, when was the last time there was a full scale riot by Black people?

It's been a long time, but that's because the cops have wised up ....and don't arrest blacks like they used to do. See? But arresting whites is still okay, because whites don't riot if one of their members gets arrested.

Baron Max

Wasn't there a pretty big riot in Detroit last year?

Hell what about the riots in New Orleans...

QuarkMoon Does the name Rodney King ring a bell? I'm not saying that the LA riots were unjustified, but what point does it make to torch your own neighborhoods?

As far as "educating" the guy, what they're trying to do is get him to like certain people. You can't force someone to like someone else. Maybe he has his own reasons for not liking black people. We're all a little prejudiced based on our own experiences. It's just a question of whether or not we keep those prejudices to ourselves or give them voice. We just have to accept the fact that not everyone likes everyone else, for whatever reason. They should have just applied the law, left the church out of it, and moved on with life. If he wants to appreciate "black culture", he'll find his own way, and it will be a more rewarding experience.

Max I think the reason most whites don't riot like that is that most white people don't have this false sense of entitlement that, in my experiences, seems to run rampant through some of the other races.

QuarkMoon Does the name Rodney King ring a bell? I'm not saying that the LA riots were unjustified, but what point does it make to torch your own neighborhoods?

Nothing. Except that after that point the whole race issue in America changed for the better. So, I guess it did have a positive affect.

As far as "educating" the guy, what they're trying to do is get him to like certain people. You can't force someone to like someone else. Maybe he has his own reasons for not liking black people. We're all a little prejudiced based on our own experiences. It's just a question of whether or not we keep those prejudices to ourselves or give them voice. We just have to accept the fact that not everyone likes everyone else, for whatever reason. They should have just applied the law, left the church out of it, and moved on with life. If he wants to appreciate "black culture", he'll find his own way, and it will be a more rewarding experience.

Once again, the man was given the choice. He wasn't forced to do anything. Either you have a selective memory or you have a hard time concentrating on something while typing. :m:

Max I think the reason most whites don't riot like that is that most white people don't have this false sense of entitlement that, in my experiences, seems to run rampant through some of the other races.

Or maybe Whites don't riot because they aren't racially discriminated against by the Blacks who run everything? Oh wait, forgot that Blacks don't run a damn thing.

The offer should never have entered the courtroom at all is my point, in case you've been reading only the words you want to read. Lock him up then rely on the forgiveness of the offended party to make the offer off taxpayer time. Separation of church and state, remember that?

And if you're going to insult, come out and say it.

Or maybe Whites don't riot because they aren't racially discriminated against by the Blacks who run everything? Oh wait, forgot that Blacks don't run a damn thing.The District of Columbia, which is approximately 80% Black, leads the U.S. in many areas:

The nations highest crime rates
Strictest gun control
Highest incarceration rates
Highest birthrate
Highest death rate
Highest rate of federal assistance per capita
Highest number of welfare recipients per capita
Highest rate of illegitimacy
Highest high school dropout rate yet its teachers are the highest paid in the U.S.
Highest rate of ghonnorrhea and syphilis
Highest incidence of AIDS

The Republic of Haiti, the only completely Black republic in the Western Hemisphere also happens to be the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. It also has the lowest life expectancy, highest illiteracy, lowest per capita consumption of newsprint, lowest per capita GNP, and the lowest level of political stability.

DC started off as a miserable, malaria-filled swamp and all the monuments haven't made it that much better. I don't think skin color has too much to do with it.

The District of Columbia also has no representation in our government.

The District of Columbia also has no representation in our government.

eat shit and die with your constant spewing of bold faced lies

http://www.norton.house.gov/

Fuck you too moron, she doesn't (correction...can't) vote.

She does represent the biggest crap hole in the country and introduces bills on its behalf.

Then again DC is on the same level as Guam, Puerto Rico and other non-states in the Congress... Though at least DC gets an electoral vote.

The District of Columbia, which is approximately 80% Black, leads the U.S. in many areas...

Please prove causation for your claims. i.e. you must show that race is the dominant cause of these statistics.

The Republic of Haiti, the only completely Black republic in the Western Hemisphere also happens to be the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. It also has the lowest life expectancy, highest illiteracy, lowest per capita consumption of newsprint, lowest per capita GNP, and the lowest level of political stability.

I'm sure either myself or somebody else has given you a brief history of Haiti before. Did you forget? Haiti has been ruled by a succession of dictators in the last century. It has suffered a number of environmental problems. Go back just a little and you'll find that Haiti was initially more prosperous than its immediate neighbour (Dominican Republic?). Right now, it is not. Yet the racial makeup of each country in terms of black vs. white is approximately the same, if I recall correctly.

Don't like blacks?

Try Mexico, they hate blacks too.

Please prove causation for your claims. i.e. you must show that race is the dominant cause of these statistics.

Major Findings:

• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

Go back just a little and you'll find that Haiti was initially more prosperous than its immediate neighbour (Dominican Republic?).
Yet the racial makeup of each country in terms of black vs. white is approximately the same, if I recall correctly.Please stop responding to me, the fact that you think Haiti is "black vs. white is approximately the same" is far to much stupidity for me to deal with.

correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship
correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship
correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship
correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship
correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship
correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship...

Duh the only obvious answer is that the white man is oppressing the poor innocent blacks of DC.

Duh the only obvious answer is that the white man is oppressing the poor innocent blacks of DC.

Can't you think of any other possible explanations? How sad.