Hey I'm new to this forum. I was searching for something about A.I. but anyway, can anyone tell me what is happening in the center of these things? Like is it sucking in matter, like dust, to form a planet or star or something? What exactly do these do and are they mobile?

THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENSE..THAt BLACK HOLES EXIST....


only that really massive dark things... exist.

but they dont have to be holes in space..... that is conjecture.


they could be mega stars... as some scientist have suggested..

or super sized nuetron stars......


no need for a hole in space and time.

-MT

According to general relativity, anything big enough and not hot enough will collapse to a black hole.

I wonder why Newton did't try the black hole thought experiment. Or did he? According to his laws, an object of sufficient density ought to be compressed under its own gravity until it existed as a point object of infinite density and with an infinite gravitational pull.

I wonder why Newton did't try the black hole thought experiment. Or did he? According to his laws, an object of sufficient density ought to be compressed under its own gravity until it existed as a point object of infinite density and with an infinite gravitational pull.

There was actually an Anglican clergyman called John Michell in the 1700's who calculated that a sufficiently big object with sufficient density (like the density of the sun or something) would have an escape velocity greater than the speed of light.

The fact that Newton didn't think of black holes isn't surprising. Theoreticians often do not see the full extent of their own ideas---Einstein didn't invent black holes, Schwarzchild did.

To the original poster---a black hole is literally that. One cannot say with any certainty what is happening inside the horizon of a black hole. Well, this is only partially true:) If the black hole is large enough, we know a little about what is happening. At the very center of the black hole, however, we certainly don't know what is happening.

this artical suggest that there are black hole http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEML0QZTIVE_index_0.html

Mosheh Thezion: You should read a bit about Black Holes. You are misled by the semantics of their name, suggesting that you do not have a clue about their basic nature.

They are not called holes because they are literally holes. Because light cannot escape, they would appear to be black if we could actually observe them. An isolated Black Hole would seem like a dark spot against the background of a stary sky. It might seem to be a hole.

Most black holes exist in the center of galaxies surrounded by stars and interstellar gas. They are not isolated. The gravitational effects on the matter falling into them would probably make them look unlike an islolated Black Hole.

Mosheh Thezion: You should read a bit about Black Holes. You are misled by the semantics of their name, suggesting that you do not have a clue about their basic nature.

They are not called holes because they are literally holes. Because light cannot escape, they would appear to be black if we could actually observe them. An isolated Black Hole would seem like a dark spot against the background of a stary sky. It might seem to be a hole.

Most black holes exist in the center of galaxies surrounded by stars and interstellar gas. They are not isolated. The gravitational effects on the matter falling into them would probably make them look unlike an islolated Black Hole.


im sorry my friend...


i do believe in black holes... at the center of galaxies...

but they are not holes..... not at all.

the entire name... misleads you all.


there is no evidence thast holes exist... only that super massive things exist at the core of galaxies...


the question is why.

i have an alternative explination.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/304/fthoughts27gi.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2796/solar1ic.jpg

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3725/theory441zl.jpg


there is more.... if your up to it.

-MT

Mosheh

Please stop highjacking threads with your pet theories, some are here to ask questions and learn something. We've seen your silly drawings ad nauseum, it's time to give it a rest.

Mosheh

Please stop highjacking threads with your pet theories, some are here to ask questions and learn something. We've seen your silly drawings ad nauseum, it's time to give it a rest.

THE images... and text... is completely relavant.

its all about why there are black holes in the center of galaxies.

if your limited intelegence can realise this... its ok... i just told you.

IF YOUR MIND CANT HANDLE ALTERNATIVE THEORIES.... thats your problem.

if you guys prefer.. thumbnails i can do that.

-MT

... IF YOUR MIND CANT HANDLE ALTERNATIVE THEORIES.... thats your problem. if you guys prefer.. thumbnails i can do that.
-MT Alternate theories are the most interesting ones, but few are interested in alternate OPINIONS, unsupported by any experiments or observations. That is what your opinions are lacking.:(

Alternate opinions, such as yours, that contradict real theories (I.e. ones based on observations and careful measurements and have detailed mathematical models, consistent with all these observation), are particularly silly - not worth consideration. You opinions are supported only by your scrawled drawings, not facts or observations.

OK... PLEASE SHOW ME THE CONTRADICTIONS...

please... show me how it doesnt fit.

you can do that.... cant you?

-MT

OK... PLEASE SHOW ME THE CONTRADICTIONS... please... show me how it doesnt fit.
you can do that.... cant you? -MTI would need to read your text, instead of just look at your scrawls. The burden of proof is alway upon the person trying to over turn the accepted view. We do not have time to destroy every crackpot's claims. - There are too many crackpots, totally incapable of even following the math of a real theory, much less constructing a quantative description.

When you have something to present with a quantative prediction, then I may read it. Sorry, but that is the way science works. - Even a prince's OPINIONS are worthless if they can not make any quantative prediction. (You are not yet a King are you?)

your words are more meaniless than mine.

i atleast am able to read yours..

you... seem to be having trouble.

sorry... is it old age?

-MT

You need to know a little math. You cant just draw some silly diagrams and sit back. You need to explain it all as a mathematical solution. Little wonder everyone thinks you’re a crack pot..

Show us the transformation required to convert from 3D to 2D then to 1D. I have one.

A(BS) = C;

Where A is any imperial value.
B is a large four legged animal.
S is the warm residue this animal will produce.

After lots of careful observation and study I have found that BS = 0;

Thus any fact multiplied by BS will produce a 1 dimensioned result always equal to zero.

BS is the most elegant of constants, worthy of exactly nothing.

No comment, aright?
Anyway, I gotta catch some sleep. This fuckin shirt is chafing me.

You need to know a little math. You cant just draw some silly diagrams and sit back. You need to explain it all as a mathematical solution. Little wonder everyone thinks you’re a crack pot..

Show us the transformation required to convert from 3D to 2D then to 1D. I have one.

A(BS) = C;

Where A is any imperial value.
B is a large four legged animal.
S is the warm residue this animal will produce.

After lots of careful observation and study I have found that BS = 0;

Thus any fact multiplied by BS will produce a 1 dimensioned result always equal to zero.

BS is the most elegant of constants, worthy of exactly nothing.

quanitification.... WOULD REQUIRE THAT i provide... or present for you.. a small simple set of equations which ... allow for the development of all space and time.. following the natural progressive pattern i have described.

it is possible to understand the natural progressive pattern.. without having to quantify it.

some it seems... dont accept that.

oh well.

im working on quantification... but if i had it... i wouldnt share it here.

-MT

THE images... and text... is completely relavant.

its all about why there are black holes in the center of galaxies.

if your limited intelegence can realise this... its ok... i just told you.

IF YOUR MIND CANT HANDLE ALTERNATIVE THEORIES.... thats your problem.

if you guys prefer.. thumbnails i can do that.

-MT

Again, you've been warned, continue to highjack threads with your pet theories and I'll delete your posts.

Show us the transformation required to convert from 3D to 2D then to 1D. I have one.

A(BS) = C;

Where A is any imperial value.
B is a large four legged animal.
S is the warm residue this animal will produce.

After lots of careful observation and study I have found that BS = 0;

Thus any fact multiplied by BS will produce a 1 dimensioned result always equal to zero.

BS is the most elegant of constants, worthy of exactly nothing.

So BS, is more than just a Scalar, it's an 'anti-Vector'? Can you formulate an 'Anti Mosheh' too, to negate his BS? :-)

Moseh, um normal people dont think they are actual holes going somewhere else. We just know when you look at a star filled sky, and there is a big black dot in the middle, we know no light is making it out... hence the term black hole.

For the record, there are thousands of them in our galaxy alone, and the average size of one is about the size of a thimble. Heres a cool Youtube clip of some blackhole simulations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLvOvGW3Tk

Again, you've been warned, continue to highjack threads with your pet theories and I'll delete your posts.

GIVE me your address, so i can send you a quarter to call someone who cares.

haha.

delete my posts... and only one thing is going to happen.

i will stop posting.

i dont have anything else to say about black holes... thats it.

it didnt hyjack the thread asshole, i commented on black holes as being not holes... but instead... giant nucleons... as described.


if im not ALLOWED TO GIVE MY FUCKING OPINION ON BLACK HOLES... then what the fuck is this god damm forum for?

dont threaten me... or i will simply disapear...

I, dont need you... or this site... got that!

its one of 1000's.............

to delete my posts... is to force me to shut up... and i would do exactly that.

-MT

delete my posts... and only one thing is going to happen.

i will stop posting.

Is that a promise?

yes... it is...

ive been kicked off better sites...

but they... gave me 20 pages of feedback... before they ... not being able to argue further.... demanded quanitification.

Im sorry i was so rude...

but lets get serious...

i commented on black holes...

in detail.


i only strayed.. in the first image.. because the basis of theory is needed to precieve why i make my arguement in the first place.


i cant prove them.... its true... i can only describe them.

some... just are not interested.

so i guess i can shut up about it.


-MT