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View Full Version : Black Hole Travel
rian.wrenn 09-07-07, 02:33 AM Umm I have been thinking about black hole travel. But the reason im posting is i want to know if you could pass through a black hole. I was thinking that if you got going close to the speed of light then you could reduce the gravatational "speggityfieng" frome the change in gravatational force you would face when you approch the "hole. Anything will help Try to
BenTheMan 09-07-07, 08:14 AM No. You may scatter off of the black hole (think Star Trek IV where they ``slingshot'' around the sun), but if you touch the horizon you will definitely fall in.
rian.wrenn 09-07-07, 06:01 PM Well let me elaberate. Lets say that there are two unverses (asummig that there are a infanent number of so called paralel universes) and there is a hole between them. (Bet you know were im going with this.) To us this would be a black hole, but it gets deeper than that. I am thinking that the the reason the black hole is taking in matter is because a a difference in the amount of matter between the universes. Lke if you blow up a baloon and let go of the end. I also think this might help with one of Einstien's laws. (I dont know which one, ut i read that one of his laws cant explain why a galaxcy dosnt colaps uppon itsself) I think that my theory would help becaause it could give way to the pressure that his equsions couldent prove.
Well i am still working on my theory ( o and if anyone knows if someone elts has already ome up with this conclusion tell me so i can give credit o them,)
Thanx post any ideas about black hole travel here,
and also if this was true would it be... nevermind
fmonroy 09-12-07, 02:19 PM Umm I have been thinking about black hole travel. But the reason im posting is i want to know if you could pass through a black hole. I was thinking that if you got going close to the speed of light then you could reduce the gravatational "speggityfieng" frome the change in gravatational force you would face when you approch the "hole. Anything will help Try to
check this article (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/17106.asp)
Farsight 09-13-07, 09:08 AM No you can't travel through a black hole. Go near a black hole and you're stretched heated and hammered flatter than an atom. And then you're dead and that's that.
BenTheMan 09-13-07, 02:08 PM rian---
Hawking did have a proposal that was something along the lines of connecting two parallel universes with a black hole---this was one way he tried to get around the information loss problem. The idea is that a black hole is a gateway to another universe, so to speak---on the other side there is a white hole with the exact opposite properties of the original black hole.
No one takes this proposal seriously, and hawking has abandoned this idea, I think.
rian.wrenn 09-14-07, 02:40 AM No you can't travel through a black hole. Go near a black hole and you're stretched heated and hammered flatter than an atom. And then you're dead and that's that.
umm well i was thinking that if you get going the speed of light (or close to it) you could negate these effecte. But were not een close to that yet
rian---
Hawking did have a proposal that was something along the lines of connecting two parallel universes with a black hole---this was one way he tried to get around the information loss problem. The idea is that a black hole is a gateway to another universe, so to speak---on the other side there is a white hole with the exact opposite properties of the original black hole.
No one takes this proposal seriously, and hawking has abandoned this idea, I think.
Ok i see, i think its a good idea, i understand that it is very doubtful theory, but i dream the impossable
sory about spelling
The Information Paradox has now been solved. Hawkings now believes that information does indeed move into black holes, but the information does not move into other universes. Instead, the information shows back up in this universe, totally mangled. I believe that because nothing is moving into parallel universes seems to be indicating that their presence is false. If we can never move into one, then what is really the point to even suggest they exist?
rian.wrenn 09-17-07, 11:25 PM do you have a link
''Hawkings cracks black hole paradox - 12 July 2007''
If you google this, you will for sure find the correct site.
Best Wishes.
rian.wrenn 09-17-07, 11:37 PM thx im really interested in black holes
rian.wrenn 09-17-07, 11:46 PM O and what dose Hawking mean by information be swollowed by a black hole, i thought it swollower up matter
Let me explain. Information has many guises. There is the information of a material system, inherent in all of matter and energy... then you have ethereal information which travels through time. Physicist John G. Cramer described these waves as psi waves, an echo wave traveling from the future, and an offer wave coming from the past. These two wave meet up in the present - but the original wave must multiply with its complex-conjugate... when that happens, a collapse in the wave function occurs... But not all information travels free of black holes. But for waves travelling faster-than-light, it will escape the black hole without any trouble.
rian.wrenn 09-18-07, 12:05 AM Ok. if this is impossabe tell me, Can you put the term Hyperspace into Lamons terms for me pls.
From the view of the wave function, planet earth, containing its 6 billion-odd conscious observers must make the planet more real than any other unhabited planet, since the wave function is constantly being collapsed - the wave function still exists in all of space and time, but its value is vanishingly small. You can imagine our entire planet being projected via the wave function throughout all of space and time, right past Pluto, to the very boundary or surface of the expanding universe - though this wave function is highly unlikely. It is the most likely result of the wave function that makes our planet what it is, including everything in it. The quantum wave function governs absolutely any result possibility; and that must also mean the universe as a whole, not just planets.
Stephen Hawkings is the founder of a new scientific principle called, 'Quantum Cosmology.' Now... before you point out it is a contradiction, because 'quantum' refers to the world of protino's and neutralino's, and 'cosmology' refers to the large universe of planets and infinite space, it was meant to conflict; Stephen Hawkings say's that we should view the universe as an atom.
In the very beginning, just before Big Bang, the wave function governed how our universe would start up. According to theory, our universe had an infinite amount of setup conditions it could have chose from, and the wave function governed which one was most likely to occur. However, because no one was there to observe the early universe, each possibility had to arise side-by-side.
Our universe, according to Stephen Hawkings, is the way it is because of a high probability factor. There will be other universes that have a wave function that surround our own, but there values will be vanishingly small. These universes will have remained superimposed on our own universe ever since big bang.
This brings the uniqueness back into a universe that is one of an infinite amount of universes. If there exists an infinite amount of universes, we could imagine an infinite number of parallel universes with similar life as this one, and that takes away the importance of 'us'. Yet, the analogy of imagining the universe as an atom has brought the importance back to our universe, because our universe is, according to Hawkings, the 'correct one', with a high probability factor.
There is no current method for us traveling to these other universes - our technology is simply, far too inadequate; we don't even know how to prove their existences for that matter. Hawkings believes that there might be a baby twin universe, curled up into the 6th dimension of spacetime - if this is true, as is predicted by 'hyperspace theory', we may be able to probe it someday.
What is hyperspace theory? Before the Big Bang, it states that our universe had ten dimensions, just like superstring theory predicts. Then, very suddenly, the universe 'cracked', and our universe was born. This cataclysmic event allowed our 4-dimensional space to expand, whilst our twin 6-dimensional universe contracted in a volatile manor, and shrank to infinitesimal size. In fact, we find that the Ekpyrotic Theory evidently goes hand-in-hand with this hypothesis.
If hyperspace theory is correct, then it can explain that the current observable rapid expansion of the universe was a result of the cataclysm - thus, the death of our universe, which will most possibly be caused by rapid expansion causing the 'Big Chill', may in fact be caused by the cracking of multi-dimensional spacetime. It could also explain the Big Bang itself.
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