Bitter Angry People Whining
Meet me in town square
People People
Toss em to the ground
Hate me hate me
Try to take me down
Bitter Bitter
Turn it upside down
Where to tombstones are
Graves is what you'll find

Bitter Angry People Hating All
Bitter Angry People Fighting

Everyone around hate them, hate them
Hit them in the head
Shove em shove em
It will stop when you die
Anger anger
Put it in your mind
Where the tombstones are
Graves is what you'll find

Bitter Angry People Hating all
Bitter Angry People dying

12-20-2001

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Ben

May I suggest a title change to:

Christains :D

fits well with the theme of the poem.

<----------- at a loss for words

okay, found them....


does anyone else think that reads like something written by a high schooler plotting to massacre his cafeteria?

Gee Kalvin, you sound a bit bitter and angry there...

What's the matter? Drop your bible on your foot?

Merry Christmas...:p

Quite the topic post; I'd say it's an excellent testament to the human condition beneath the burden of religion. On the one hand, it would be unfair to simply point out that it's another Christian focused on violence and retribution. To the other, it seems fair enough to simply note that, as an artistic expression, I see no alternatives to violence; it would seem that hate and violence is the only response available to the Christian conscience. Of course, that's just a conceptual extrapolation of the artistic merit of the piece, but without the artistic sheen, it seems a mere glorification of human strife.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Tiassa:

It's nice how you continually project everything onto Christianity even if it's actually talking about "Bitter Angry People" and not "Bitter Angry Christians."

I thought it was a pretty universal concept. I came up with the idea because of the overwhemling bitter tones comming from this forum from all sides.

Ben

If we missed that dimension of the artistic statement, KalvinB, it's because we didn't expect it of you. Surprise and shame to those of us who thought that, then.

But I do find it ironic that you would note such behavior. After all, Maybe I just don't care to limit my vocabulary or my thoughts to account for the feelings of others. (9/11/2001)Understand, KalvinB, while I'm all in agreement with at least one interpretation of your statement, and I think it's fair. (I agree that there's a ton of frustration and disrespect flying around here.) But take a look at the central fights: most of them right now center around Tony1, and his defenders. There was a time when this wasn't the prevailing way around here, but the hostility thickened with his rise, and exploded into its current conflagration only recently.

So if the title of this post seems a little blunt, well, that's the central issue that repeatedly comes up here with certain factions: we hear you, we agree, and we're sick and tired of your own rejection of your own principle. Remember that among the infidels there exists no Biblical mandate to turn the other cheek; we are, by our paradigms, limited only by our own sense of propriety in our responses to hostility.

You've dragged some of what you decry in here yourself, and don't seem inclined to drop it, either. That's fine with me, and for you, sure. But when I see a snake oil salesman, I call him out. Snake oil? Well, you advocate a philosophy and betray it with your actions and then decry the results of that betrayal. Seriously, I'll get off your back when you get off your high horse. And since we've followed you now around the full hypocritical circle, I'm going to ask you once:

Are you prepared to honor your Christian obligation, or are you going to continue to speak with the forked tongue of hypocrisy? Right now it sounds like you're an aluminum siding salesman telling me the benefits of masonry. It just doesn't calculate when we compare your ideological appeal to your actions.

You remind me of George Dubya's lament that he doesn't understand why people "hate" the US. You know, jets and buildings aside, I find it quite macabre that he doesn't know the history of American policy. It's why we get to do some of the stupid stuff again. Analogously, when you mark the hostility in these forums, I wonder whether you're conscious of your own ideological contribution to that hostility.

There's a lot of reactions taking place here, KalvinB--people aren't discussing Tony1's conduct in four dedicated topics for a lark. What you point out is indeed problematic; what is remarkable there is that you're feeding the very fire you lament.

If I missed the intended dimension of your topic post, KalvinB, it's because I thought you were describing your own conduct. It's pretty on-the-mark when read that way.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

I did not personally see a christian relationship in the poem. Bitter, angry people exist in all walks of life, from all religions and anti-religions. However, that doesnt change the fact that it most certainly was a very depressing, negative poem. Kalvin, I don't think its healthy to fixate on the bad aspects of life. Look for the good in people, and the good in life, and you will most certainly find it.

Tiassa:

Same dribble different day.

Cainxinth:

If we only focused on the good we'd never rid ourselves of the evil. The poem is just an observation.

Ben

So go wipe your mouth.

--Tiassa :cool:

We know Tiassa. We know.

Ben

KalvinB,

I enjoyed the lilt in the step of the music. The instrumental contradiction of the lyrics set the tone nicely.

Thanks.

"If we only focused on the good we'd never rid ourselves of the evil. "

There is evil in the world but you can help stamp it out by embracing the good aspects of life not by focusing on the bad. Why choose to look for the pain and suffering in life and not the joy and love? Even as an atheist it seems obvious that cynics always find what their looking for, a reason to be depressed.

I fail to see the point of such a poem. In particular I found the line: "Bitter Angry People dying" to be somewhat of a hypocritical statement. Here you accuse others of attributes which you have in the same breath shown. That is undiably an angry line.

Perhaps you are limited to the same feelings as those you seem to be attacking. Also your target seems vague at best. Who are these bitter angry people? I have a feeling some sort of feeling was trying to be expressed here, just think it out a bit more.

If only the perfect can judge then we would have no courts.

I thought it was a pretty simple concept.

Ben

"If only the perfect can judge..."

You don't have to be perfect to judge. The Supreme Court Justices are smart people but they're not perfect.

That was my point.

Ben

I'm glad we're in agreement on something.

A whole thread about tiassa?