Bin Laden on the Way to Victory

While the media and general public is basking in the explosions and bloodshed unleashed by the US and UK military, no one seems to have realised that Bin Laden is now only a few small steps away from utlimate victory. Sadly, the US is unable to do anything other than play straight into his hands.

What did Bin Laden want to happen as a result of the WTC attack? A war between Islam and the West. That's the path Bush cjhooses to follow, and despite an understandable sense of relief as the bombs fall on Kabul, the US is going to become increasingly at risk.

Quote from Guardian newspaper:

Blair and others constantly said the west has no grievance with Islam. But they never paused to wonder how Islam felt about the west - they regard the current bombing offensive as utter confirmation of his [Bin Laden] key message: that America and its allies will always seek to crush poor, Muslim peoples wherever they may be. The night war on Kabul has been conducted without the military help of a single Muslim country.

I wonder if it would have been smarter to have taken out the men of the al-Qaida network one by one, quietly and in the dead of night, rather than giving Osama bin Laden this spectacular war he craves. I wonder if he is not celebrating in that cave of his - celebrating the war he has already won.



The US may be making one of the worst strategic decisions in its history. For more reasons than just this...

 

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So a bunch of third world nations declare war on the civilized world. So what? We butcher em like cattle and move on with our lives. We killed 100,000 Iraqi soldiers without breaking a sweat. Our kill ratio is something like 1,000 to 1. If they want to declare war, it would be a great opportunity for America to sweep out the trash.

 

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If I ever aspire to become a bigoted redneck, this is the quote I'll use. It's great. To call oneself civilised inthe same paragraph that refers to the third world as 'trash' is so astonishingly ignorant, it can only be ironic. Who said that the americans weren't able to detect irony?
I take my metaphorical hat off to you.

And let's not forget: that 1,000 to 1 would've been 10,000 to 1 if it weren't for the staggering incompetence of the US army. Or do american troops get a bonus when they kill someone on their own side?

 

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If you call a kill ratio of 1,000 to 1 incompetent... what do you call a kill ratio of 1 to 1,000? The Arab nations are only able to do battle with unarmed civillians... when they run up against motivated western forces... they fall like dominoes.

Lets remember that the middle eastern trash targeted, attacked and murdered 6,000 innocent American civillians. They desparately want a holy war. I say it is time to give it to them. Kill 30 or 40 million of them. This would give them pause should they ever decide to bite the ankles of a superpower again.

We have tried to play nice with them for too long. We give them humanitarian aid and they hate us. We try to save them from starvation in Somalia and they kill us for our efforts. We save muslims in Bosnia from ethnic cleansing and they hate us. We save muslims in Kuwait from Hussein and they hate us.

The Islamic religion is the most racist, hateful religion in the world. Whenever muslim fundamentalists take over a country, they immediately start killing and oppressing those of other faiths. Their culture is incompatible with a civilized world.

I was ambivalent about the ragheads until they killed American civillians. Now I hate them from the bottom of my core. Lay waste to them. Bury them all. Annihilate them. We have the technology. They want to mix it up with us. Lets take the gloves off and see how powerful their Allah really is. I figure we can wipe them out in the space of a year or so.

 

<i>"I wonder if it would have been smarter to have taken out the men of the al-Qaida network one by one, quietly and in the dead of night, rather than giving Osama bin Laden this spectacular war he craves."</i>

No, this is the better way. In a most violent way, we need to jump on his ass and on those who cradle his cause. The guy is a lunatic as are his supporters.

<i>"I wonder if he is not celebrating in that cave of his - celebrating the war he has already won."</i>

My guess is that most of Islam see that cave in which Osama wishes to bring all muslims...Afghanistan. He has won nothing but the sympathy of the poor, the ignorant, and the foolish.

 

Here are the REAL facts of the wonderful peacful Islamic religion:

http://www.secularislam.org/call.htm

http://www.secularislam.org/wtc2.htm


Here is unequivocal proof that Islam is not divinely inspired.

http://www.secularislam.org/guide/mirza.htm

 

Cool site, Brad. I looked for an english version of the koran but couldn't find one anywhere. I read conflicting thoughts regarding its nature.

 

Quotes from UK Newspapers

I would like to point out here that The Guardian is predominantly a "left wing hi-brow rag" and does not reflect the views of the vast majority of the British public. Over 90% of the UK populace believe that enough is enough and that we have to deal out summary justice to these butchers now, before it gets out of hand. Failure to respond to the NYC/WTC disaster would be total surrender to terrorism and send out the message "Do what you want" - we wont come after you. The meaningless -10% remaining are left wing whingers like MPs Tony Benn and Tam Dalyell who protest and demonstrate against anything that is tagged with "democracy" and they are not to be taken seriously whatsoever. Both these MPs by the way, for our overseas readers are far left wing loonies and are regarded as such by their own socialist party.

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Brad and ratios!

Quote from Brad: So a bunch of third world nations declare war on the civilized world. So what? We butcher em like cattle and move on with our lives. We killed 100,000 Iraqi soldiers without breaking a sweat. Our kill ratio is something like 1,000 to 1. If they want to declare war, it would be a great opportunity for America to sweep out the trash.

I would not crow too much about the kill ratio of the Gulf War - all British casualties were from "friendly fire".

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Brad & "Ragheads"

Quote from Brad: I was ambivalent about the ragheads until they killed American civillians. Now I hate them from the bottom of my core. Lay waste to them. Bury them all. Annihilate them. We have the technology. They want to mix it up with us. Lets take the gloves off and see how powerful their Allah really is. I figure we can wipe them out in the space of a year or so.

A question of terminology here. I presume that, in the USA, the phrase ragheads refers to Afghan tribesmen or Islamic's in general. However, here in the UK the term "raghead" refers to quite the opposite, it refers to the innocent Sikh. It is not a derogatory term however. I think that the term to be used for these "islamic" nutters should be simply "dead". Calling them Islamic is also slightly incorrect as there is no place within the Islamic religion for these "things" like Bin Laden. They twist and shape Islam to THEIR ends and not to the real definition of their religion, therefore making it an unclean religion. It was suggested to me one night recently, by a muslim of all people - to send over a B52 full of pornography, budweiser and bacon sandwiches for these unclean islamics!!

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War is incompetence

If you have to resort to warfare, you've blown every other chance you had along the way.

Depends on the standard: surgical bombing is only about 33% accurate. Think of that in surgical terms:

* I recall that a man going in for an appendectomy was once given a gender reassignment; this may be an urban legend, but I recall a local radio station faxing around the wire story last year.

* My mother's family physician would eventually be sued out of business; he was known for stupid things like sewing up patients with sponges or clamps still inside. You've heard the story of the lost Porsche keys? His was a BMW, but you get the point.

Surgeons are, generally speaking, better than 33% effective.

So why don't we examine that 1,000:1 kill ratio. How many of those kills were the target?

thanx,
Tiassa

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I have to assume that your rant is ironic in intention, because I can't for the life of me imagine anyone that stupid.

If the world becomes a more dangerous place for me, my friends, and my family as a result of USA military operations - I will personally lay the blame not just on Osamar Bin Laden and his terrorists, but the US government also, and 'fundamentalist nutter fanatics' like yourself.

Hopefully, one good thing might come out of this whole mess if the US stops to think - it might stop supporting terrorism itself - but then again, I doubt it. Old habits die hard.

US soldiers are faced with their own mines and military technology yet again. When will you learn to read about your own history properly? When will you realise that you shouldn't set the bad guys up in the first place? When will you realise that creating breeding grounds for instability and hate aint a good idea?

And when will America stop giving terrorists a million excuses to exist? We might be stuck with them now, and all the fear they bring, partly due to US foreign policy.

killing 40 million will still leave one really, really pissed off terrorist around to slit your throat when you're not expecting it. Thats all it takes.

Anger begats anger. Its the eternal cycle of the dumb.

 

You have the general idea. West vs Islam/Arabs, however, no one is playing into bin laden's hand and bush makes no choices, both are but pawns in this drama.

Follow the money, it leads closest to the truth. The Taliban recently refused to let two u.s. oil companies put 500 miles in piping across their conuntry.

It is always about money in one way or another.

Peace, jt

 

I may be a bit of radical but listen to what Jandt posted:

Jandt must have missed the fact that 6000+ americans were just killed. That our pentagon was hit and that the white house missed being hit by a hair. He also must have missed the multi-billion dollar kick in the guts our economy just received.

By the way Jandt, without oil our entire economy collapses. Oil is the lifeblood of western society.... without it we would regress back to the stone age.

Jandt, obviously a high level CIA operative has access to information that the rest of us poor saps can never see. The fact that they let him spill the beans on the secret conspiracies without putting a hit on him is amazing. I hope your cover assignment as a fast-food worker isn't broken by the high level secrets you have given out here.

 

To All

I've now heard about "kill ratios", "ragheads", "hi-brow rags" and a general desire to "jump on Bin Laden's ass in a most violent way." With the exception of a few, most appear to happily advocate the destruction of Afganistan and deaths of Afghans in general (imagine if we could go better than 1,000:1!).

Now assume that most of you arm-chair, Playstation generals are rather concerned for your personal security. I've yet to see an argument that by doing waht is currently being done your security improves. I shall, in my most beneficent way, provide the argument that illudes you myself. I can't stand to see small animals suffer so.

By sending a loud, prettily couloured and lethal messahe the US says 'Hey - you can't do that to us! We'll come and get you!'

Thus all Americans can sleep soundly in their beds once more.

Funny though, with all these bombs that are falling I don't think one of them has hit the 22 people named by the US government. Or Bin Laden. Or his followers lodged as sleeper agents in Europe, Canada, the US, the middle east....

Thye have hit Afghans. And what have the Afghans done? They didn't hand Bin Laden over. That's it. Are they implicated in the attack? No. So they have simply not responded. But they wanted a bit of evidence first. None has been released. (Maybe we should hand over Salamn Rushdie by the same token. He's committed a crime in their country, and they've asked that we give him up...)

So how is this helping the US? It's certainly pissing off even more Muslims/impoverished/Arabs. It's certainly making Bin Laden more of a hero (no matter how appalling that seems). It's making the Muslim world look like victims once again. It's breeding hatred that will fade long after the smoke above Kabul clears.

I'm saying that the US has been attacked and that what happened must be justly resolved. I'm actually, selfless individual that I am, thinking about YOUR security in the future. And this is not the way to get it. In this I agree totally with Pilgermann.

 

Confused re. ...

I thought the mullah, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, that placed the fatwa on Rushdie was Iranian.

 

Yes - but the US didn't seem to object to the UK harbouring an international fugitive. Similar questions arise with Pinochet and Spain.

 

Softening up - A military phase

Have you not heard of "softening up" Captain? Just as in previous wars throughout the 20th century, the "heavy stuff" goes in first to soften up the enemy in preparation for the ground troops. Afghanistan is no different although you appear, by your mails, to believe the taliban rather than a democratically elected, therefore accountable, alliance. As in the gulf war, Saddam Hussein made wildy exagerated claims as to civil casualties, proven to be wildly inaccurate or downright lies after the conflict, which the politicians ended prematurely, unfortunately. Now assuming that even 10% of the taliban's lies are accurate, the figures are still well within acceptable parameters for such a large scale operation. Admittedly 1 civilian casualty is still far too many. The allies are hitting what they say they are hitting, taliban and terrorist targets. It is possible that one missile may go "screwy" now and then - its the nature of the beast. However, as to the claim that 4 UN workers were killed - the taliban themselves told us that all aid workers had left the country - so who is lying now? How many "bodies" have been planted for the cameras as in Iraq - proven by the way. A government who loves to cold bloodedly butcher its own should not really be taken verbally serious, and it is the seriously weak minded who believe them........

 

Chagur

Salman Rushtie committed exactly WHAT crime? In what country? All he did was write a book which some people in Tehran thought to be rather anti Islamic! So What? Those people who thought him a criminal are now dead. Rushtie lives in a democratic society where, like in America, he is free to write what he wishes. No, I have not read his book, nor do I wish to, another democratic choice. But as to being a criminal - nooooo!