Is bin Laden the 'Mahdi'?
Some Muslim followers believe he is prophesied 'awaited enlightened one'

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Posted: September 8, 2003
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U.S. military intelligence experts are studying a video clip of Osama bin Laden in which he stands before a dry-erase board with an Arabic phrase written upon it – "awaited enlightened one," reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

No one who has seen the video is quite certain of the meaning or the context. But, the Hadith, a collection of Islamic holy writings that supplement the Quran, predicts a messianic figure will arise in the last days of history. This "Mahdi," along with the "Prophet Jesus," will lead the believers to victory over the infidels.


Osama bin Laden

The video raises the question of whether bin Laden sees himself as this Mahdi or if he is expecting another to arise and lead. Either way, the addition of a dimension of Islamic prophecy to the global terror war may seriously complicate matters for planners in the West, G2 Bulletin reports.

According to G2 Bulletin's military sources, some of the detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay have told interrogators they joined bin Laden's al-Qaida offensive because they think he is the "awaited enlightened one." Others in military intelligence say some of the terrorists crossing the border into Iraq with al-Qaida ties are doing so because of their belief in this Islamic prophecy.

Muslim believers – both Sunni and Shiite – expect the Mahdi to return one day to restore justice to the world. This messenger is not as great as Muhammad, but is a messianic figure found in all branches of Islam.

Interestingly, since the end of 2001, bin Laden has been signing his name "Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden," rather than just Osama bin Laden. This is significant, reports G2 Bulletin, because it gives the al-Qaida leader an apocalyptic dimension. The Hadith says the Mahdi will be recognizable, among other things, by the fact that he carries the name of the Prophet.

"Al Mahdi" is supposed to appear at a time when Muslim believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world. He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mecca at which Jesus will be present.

While some Islamic analysts have expected bin Laden to declare himself as "caliph," few have speculated about the possibility of the terrorist upping the ante. Operating as he does without a territorial base, bin Ladin could, some suggest, resort to claiming the most powerful title in Islam – the Mahdi.

The Mahdi is one of two positive prophetic figures who, according to Islamic teachings, will appear at the end of time – Prophet Jesus being the other. Together, these two will combat unbelievers and the forces of evil: the antichrist-like Dajjal, or "Deceiver"; the Dabbah, or "Beast"; and the murderous, rapacious hordes of Yajuj wa-Majuj, who appear earlier in the Bible as "Gog and Magog."

The description of the Mahdi that emerges from these Islamic sources can be summarized as follows:


he will be descended from the Prophet via his daughter Fatima;

he will have the same name as the Prophet, and his father's name will have been the same as the Prophet's father;

he will have a distinct forehead and prominent nose;

he will be extremely generous and altruistic;

he will arise in Arabia and be compelled by popular acclamation in Mecca to lead the Muslims;

he will withstand attack by an army from Syria, which will be swallowed up by the desert;

he will fill the earth with justice and equity;

he will reign for five, seven or nine years, perhaps as co-ruler with Jesus (after which, an unspecified amount of time later, the last trumpet will sound and the final judgment will ensue).
If bin Ladin – or some other Islamist leader – were to declare himself the Mahdi, should that make a difference to U.S. policy-makers? Yes.

If the claim were believable to the Islamic world, then the U.S. could no longer claim to be fighting terrorism alone. Indeed, it would become a global religious conflict.

Last awaited prophet? Are you drunk or something? Don't you know that the important Quranic revelation was the fact that Prophet Muhammed is the last and seal of all prophets.....

This goes entirely opposite to any islamic teachings that stresses the fact that Prophet Muhammed is the last prophet. Any Hadith stating contrary is false because it goes against the words of the Quran.

Originally posted by biblthmp
The description of the Mahdi that emerges from these Islamic sources can be summarized as follows:
he will be descended from the Prophet via his daughter Fatima;


Bin Laden is the son of Laden, decendant of Yemeni tribe and of no relation to Fatima. It is impossible to trace back Prophet Muhammed grandchildren since the only two grandson and sons of Fatima were murdered. Fatima had no other children.


Originally posted by biblthmp
he will have the same name as the Prophet, and his father's name will have been the same as the Prophet's father;


Prophet Muhammed was not named Osama for starters.

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will have a distinct forehead and prominent nose;


So is every jew and middleeastern....

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will be extremely generous and altruistic;


So is every middleeastern excluding jews.

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will arise in Arabia and be compelled by popular acclamation in Mecca to lead the Muslims;


There are over hundred millions men rising in arabia who could potentially lead muslims.....Muslims don't seem like the kind of people that are led very easily.

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will withstand attack by an army from Syria, which will be swallowed up by the desert;


Very funny, seems inappropriate to our times.

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will fill the earth with justice and equity;


Oh yeah, that's a good one. Could he be the inspired figure of John Lenon's song imagine.

Originally posted by biblthmp
he will reign for five, seven or nine years, perhaps as co-ruler with Jesus (after which, an unspecified amount of time later, the last trumpet will sound and the final judgment will ensue).
If bin Ladin – or some other Islamist leader – were to declare himself the Mahdi, should that make a difference to U.S. policy-makers? Yes.


Of course not. There are thousands of physciatric residents who claim to be Jesus and Mahdi, and I don't see the US policy makers interviewing them or basing their policy on a bunch of physcos, or wait......US IS BASING IT'S FOREGIN POLICY ON A BUNCH OF PHSYCOTIC PATIENTS.

Originally posted by biblthmp
If the claim were believable to the Islamic world, then the U.S. could no longer claim to be fighting terrorism alone. Indeed, it would become a global religious conflict.

What's new, currently there exist over a thousand religious conflicts...what's the hell, add one more if it makes you feel happy.

Flores,


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Originally posted by biblthmp
he will be extremely generous and altruistic;
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So is every middleeastern excluding jews.
Every person in the Middle East is extremely generous? And altruistic upon that... And jews are not generous or not altruistic or they are neither? Wow... that's a really bold statement. Of course you have abundant proof to back it up.

On a side note, didn't you state your intentions to leave sciforums?

Originally posted by mouse
Flores,


Every person in the Middle East is extremely generous? And altruistic upon that... And jews are not generous or not altruistic or they are neither? Wow... that's a really bold statement. Of course you have abundant proof to back it up.


I wasn't the one who came up with the characterization of extremely generous and altruistic. I was merely saying that you can't use such general adjective to screen a prophet, for generousity is in the eyes of the beholder. As far as jews, I didn't want to be the one that breaks the stereotype and long lived joke that jews are cheap.....I don't agree with it, and because my ancestors happen to be jewish through the motherline, I thought I have the right to indulge in an existing joke.

Originally posted by mouse
On a side note, didn't you state your intentions to leave sciforums?

Yeah, I was mad to learn that things are not that secure as I thought which led to the hurting of SpuriousMonkey at his job. I learned later though that biologyforum, the guy who contacted the work of spuriousmonkey has been banned from this site and didn't do what he did under affiliation to this site, so I changed my mind....I thought that Porifry acted excellent in correcting that icky situation and that made me feel more secure about staying. Do you have a problem with that?

Considering that the Jews, as in "Israel" are giving away large portions of land to the same people that tried and are still trying today, to kill them, and these are the same people who refused to share their land with the Jews back in 1948, I would say these Jews are pretty dam generous. If someone tried to kill you everyday, how many people do you know that would give part of their "home" to them.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flores
[B]Last awaited prophet? Are you drunk or something? Don't you know that the important Quranic revelation was the fact that Prophet Muhammed is the last and seal of all prophets.....



Islam is waiting for it's last, final, Imam.


Imam:

one of a succession of seven or twelve religious leaders, believed to be divinely inspired, of the Shi‘ites.

Originally posted by wayne_92587
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flores
[B]Last awaited prophet? Are you drunk or something? Don't you know that the important Quranic revelation was the fact that Prophet Muhammed is the last and seal of all prophets.....



Islam is waiting for it's last, final, Imam.


Imam:

one of a succession of seven or twelve religious leaders, believed to be divinely inspired, of the Shi‘ites.

And the Sunnis are waiting for this guy?

Originally posted by biblthmp
And the Sunnis are waiting for this guy?


I do not know, the definition of Imam is from Websters.

Flores,

As far as jews, I didn't want to be the one that breaks the stereotype and long lived joke that jews are cheap and long lived joke that jews are cheap
I, however, love to break stereotypes. Hopefully, you do not mind me doing so every now and then.


I don't agree with it
Ah, ok.

I thought that Porifry acted excellent in correcting that icky situation and that made me feel more secure about staying. Do you have a problem with that?
Not at all, welcome back!

Originally posted by wayne_92587
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flores
[B]Islam is waiting for it's last, final, Imam.

Imam:

one of a succession of seven or twelve religious leaders, believed to be divinely inspired, of the Shi‘ites.

Islam is not waiting for anything. Islam is complete. Those that wait for more are loooosers. Those that are waiting for more from god in the form of leaders, prophets, ect....are the most ungratefull idiots who if you shove god manifest in their faces, would still say that they are awaiting another.

The idea of a last time prophet or leader is so stupid....It's the most retarded and prejudice thing. What about the billions of people that lived and died including us...Why is it that a few people who happen to be living at the end time who nobody knows when that will be would recieve such malodramatic ending.

The Quran is clear that no one knows shit about the last day and judgement and no more prophets are expected. If we are looking for something extra to answer our questions, all we have to do is to take a closer look at our lives and loved ones and do the right thing....period.

Originally posted by ScrollMaker
these are the same people who refused to share their land with the Jews back in 1948, I would say these Jews are pretty dam generous.

You need to brush up on your history.....The jews were rejected from all over the world. Their ships circuled around the US in agony while they were being denied entry. They were massacred and burned alive all over Europe. The middleeast was the only place of refuge for them, because the people of the middle east have morals and religion that will never support what was happening all over Europe....NO where on this earth did a jew feel safer than the middle east during world war II...but instead of that speaking volumes for the arabs, we get ultimate ingratitude from the likes of you who are willing to forget in a second how others treated the jews while the arabs took them in for shelter. The jews on the other hand took the arabic finger of help offer as an invitation to chop the whole arm and made the arabs into the refuge.

Don't insult a jew by calling him/her generous. A jew is proud to be most cheap when it comes to unimportant unpriority items. A jew knows how to make money, well allocate it, and save some for a bad day. The difinition of generous these days is the comparable to lack of prudence or spender. Quran likes those that spend wisely and hate excessive or unwise spending. Arabs are the blindly generous spenders idiots with massive resources to practically give away in ultimate generosity to rich countries while their own people starve.

Originally posted by Flores
Last awaited prophet? Are you drunk or something? Don't you know that the important Quranic revelation was the fact that Prophet Muhammed is the last and seal of all prophets.....





[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flores
[B]

Islam is not waiting for anything.

Islam is complete. Those that wait for more are loooosers. Those that are waiting for more from god in the form of leaders, prophets, ect....are the most ungratefull idiots who if you shove god manifest in their faces, would still say that they are awaiting another.

The idea of a last time prophet or leader is so stupid....It's the most retarded and prejudice thing. What about the billions of people that lived and died including us...Why is it that a few people who happen to be living at the end time who nobody knows when that will be would recieve such malodramatic ending.



Does that mean you are a Sunni Muslim and that all Shiite Muslims are loooosers.

It seems that both the Sunni and the Shiite Muslim believe that there were, are, successors of Mohammed.

Sunni:
a member of one of the two great religious divisions of Islam, regarding the first four caliphs as legitimate successors of Muhammad and stressing the importance of Sunna as a basis for law.

Who are the four caliphs that are the legitimate successors of Muhammad?

Are you saying that Muslims that do not believe as you do are ungrateful idiots.

Shiite: a member of one of the two great religious divisions of Islam that regards Ali, the son-in-law of Muhammad, as the legitimate successor of Muhammad, and disregards the three caliphs who succeeded him.



Do you believe that God is to be made manifest?

Originally posted by Flores
You need to brush up on your history.....The jews were rejected from all over the world. Their ships circuled around the US in agony while they were being denied entry. They were massacred and burned alive all over Europe. The middleeast was the only place of refuge for them, because the people of the middle east have morals and religion that will never support what was happening all over Europe....NO where on this earth did a jew feel safer than the middle east during world war II...but instead of that speaking volumes for the arabs, we get ultimate ingratitude from the likes of you who are willing to forget in a second how others treated the jews while the arabs took them in for shelter. The jews on the other hand took the arabic finger of help offer as an invitation to chop the whole arm and made the arabs into the refuge.

Don't insult a jew by calling him/her generous. A jew is proud to be most cheap when it comes to unimportant unpriority items. A jew knows how to make money, well allocate it, and save some for a bad day. The difinition of generous these days is the comparable to lack of prudence or spender. Quran likes those that spend wisely and hate excessive or unwise spending. Arabs are the blindly generous spenders idiots with massive resources to practically give away in ultimate generosity to rich countries while their own people starve.

That land wasn't owned by the arabs and they had no intention of letting the Jews on their land. Why do you think the arabs aren't in Israel anymore? The land was owned by the British and the arabs were living on it. The arabs refused to share the land even though the Jews agreed to share. The arabs got kicked out because they refused to share. Nevermind that they own practically every part of the mideast. They want Israel. Why do you think Israel was attacked by all of the surrounding mideast countries days after they got Israel? Because they were generous enough to hand over Jerusalem to the Jews? And I can tell Jews whatever I want considering I am a non-religious Jew. And I don't appreciate being told that I'm cheap, not generous, and I don't know many Jews who care much about the Quran considering they have their own little Bible.

Originally posted by ScrollMaker
That land wasn't owned by the arabs and they had no intention of letting the Jews on their land.


What the hell are you talking about? Palestenian lived on these lands as muslims, christians, jews, Atheists, ect.. in harmony for over thousands of years. It was never an Islamic state, actually, it's majority christian like Lebanon. it was a state for all who live there and peldge alligance to the land, and now we are told to discard the residents christians, muslims, and atheists alike to make room for the elite jews in their jewish state for some scum bags inbreds in Russia who claim to be the inbred jewish race. Moses fucking christ, they had homes all over the world, but must be too antisocial and screwed up in the head to coexist peacefully with each others, and prefer to be herded with their own supreme kinds.

Originally posted by ScrollMaker
Why do you think the arabs aren't in Israel anymore? The land was owned by the British and the arabs were living on it.

This is the most absurd. So was India, Africa, Egypt, Iraq, Libia, and most of the world that had some resources of interest to Great Britain...Don't you know that the British evil occupation extended all over the world to suck the resources out of the world......So are you saying the jews made a deal with a theif called England and that's alright in your eyes??...Your eyes are screwed up. For all I care, they could have taken India, zimbabwe, and any part of this whole world under the contemption that it belonged to England and they made a deal, and we would still be fighting you that you are dead wrong to take anybodies land by dealing with an illegal evil occupier. What the hell, perhaps on the same token, USA should put Iraq on the flee market for sale, since they occupy it.


Originally posted by ScrollMaker
The arabs refused to share the land even though the Jews agreed to share.

SHARE, I love that word. I tell it to my 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son all the time and I sit and watch how they share. My son is usually playing with his car, then my daughter snatches the car from him and screams, SHARE, and run to play alone with it. I try to explain to them that sharing means playing together, but how could a 4 year old girl who wants to use the car to drive her barbey dolls around the house share the point of view of a 2 year old boy who wants to voom voom with the car all day and detach the heads of the barbie off for fun? How can sharing be of any fun when the two don't share ground rules of what constitutes fun.....Now if you want to extrapolate this scenario to the middle east, then imajine a russian stranger kid who came to my house uninvited and attempted to snatch my child toy and screamed SHARE....

Similarly, It's kindda hard to share, when an all jewish group from europe comes to your house in Asia or Africa to tell you, I'm forming a jewish state under which you shall live and serve my fucking david star flag. The jews shall determine how to run the country and the freakin natives shall shut up and live in concentration camps deprived of all civil rights.

Fuck Israel and Fuck any country that is formed solely and exclusively for a religious club members....Hip Hip Horay for separation of state and religion and civil rights for all despite of religion, race, sex, ect.....Fuck Israel , Saudi, the star, the cross, the crecesant. And may god fuck them all equally as they deserve.

Originally posted by wayne_92587
Does that mean you are a Sunni Muslim and that all Shiite Muslims are loooosers.


In my eyes, you all are loooosers and I'm the only good one. My Honda kicks ass all BMW and Mercedes around, because it's MINE. My house kicks ass all the mansions around it, because it's MINE. Do you dare enter the futile arguement with me that YOU or anything that you have or believe are better than MINE.

Originally posted by wayne_92587
It seems that both the Sunni and the Shiite Muslim believe that there were, are, successors of Mohammed.


I don't believe I'm a successor of anyone. I submit to god and attest that Muhammed is a prophet of god along with another hundreds of prophets....He just happen to be the seal.

Originally posted by wayne_92587
Sunni:
a member of one of the two great religious divisions of Islam, regarding the first four caliphs as legitimate successors of Muhammad and stressing the importance of Sunna as a basis for law.


Who the hell said I'm a sunni. The hell with sunnis, I'm a MUSLIM only, not a sunni, Shiahh, Wahabi, salami, or any wannabe, please don't recite muslim school ignorance and man made definitions for me. It's not in the Quran, it's bull shit...

Originally posted by wayne_92587
Who are the four caliphs that are the legitimate successors of Muhammad?


Who the hell cares? Is that a question that god will ask me on the day of judgement to recite all the caliphs? Do I go to hell for not knowing all the names and dates of the Islamic battels....Will god ask us to assemble in the day of judgement in two lines and ask us to name the caliphs and those who say Ali will go to heaven and those who say I don't know or Abu baker will go to hell....Will god finally gather humanity and tell them I'll make the truth manifest to you that the Shiaa where right all along and Ali is truly the successor of Mohammed and all Shiaa should rejoice for beating their backs all these years? Do you watch many soap operas, get a prespective please, you're boring me.


Originally posted by wayne_92587
Do you believe that God is to be made manifest?

God is manifest to me in all his creation, I'm not a stupid bug that must touch the lamp and get burned to know that the light exist.

biblethumper : Is bin Laden the 'Mahdi'?

not really no :rolleyes:

Flores : So is every jew and middleeastern....

You know when even Arabs are thinking Jews are some race Im really getting concerned . Almost all Jews arent middle-eastern ...... and shit what is that a middle-easterener ? A mixup of God knows what ? This is rather silly

currently there exist over a thousand religious conflicts.

And about .... none have actually anything to do with religion

ScrollMaker : Considering that the Jews, as in "Israel" are giving away large portions of land to the same people that tried and are still trying today, to kill them, and these are the same people who refused to share their land with the Jews back in 1948, I would say these Jews are pretty dam generous. If someone tried to kill you everyday, how many people do you know that would give part of their "home" to them.

U shouldnt talk about what u have no idea of . Ur assertion is beyond ridiculous . Are you willing to share YOUR land with me because I have this religion that I say entitles me to it ? Regardles where Im from , weither I actually follow this religion or any other supposedly relevant issues ?

That land wasn't owned by the arabs and they had no intention of letting the Jews on their land. Why do you think the arabs aren't in Israel anymore? The land was owned by the British and the arabs were living on it.

This man is a joke the Brittish COLONIZED it hello that is something you condone ?

And I can tell Jews whatever I want considering I am a non-religious Jew.

Non-religious Jews IS AN OXYMORON ........ but hey thats the joke of the 20th century isnt it ? Yes make up whatever you wish to steal land you're no more Jewish then my cat Shlomo .

Hey I have some good reads for you mr indoctrinated by fantasy-identity :

3 Questions Zionism - 1 - The Jewish Question (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27665)

3 Questions Zionism - 2 - The Palestinian Question (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28025)

have fun

wayne_92587 : the definition of Imam is from Websters.

Oh man ......

Flores : Fuck Israel , Saudi

Now your talkin sis :D

the star, the cross, the crecesant.

But why hate on symbols ?

Originally posted by Flores
What the hell are you talking about? Palestenian lived on these lands as muslims, christians, jews, Atheists, ect.. in harmony for over thousands of years. It was never an Islamic state, actually, it's majority christian like Lebanon. it was a state for all who live there and peldge alligance to the land, and now we are told to discard the residents christians, muslims, and atheists alike to make room for the elite jews in their jewish state for some scum bags inbreds in Russia who claim to be the inbred jewish race. Moses fucking christ, they had homes all over the world, but must be too antisocial and screwed up in the head to coexist peacefully with each others, and prefer to be herded with their own supreme kinds.

You are confusing everyone with this nonsense. Firstly you said in your last post that the Jews were welcomed in by arabs who had morals and religions (ie: jihad) lmao. Jihad hasn't been used since the time of Salidan, when it was actually a Jihad. This was almost 1,000 years ago when he was fighting the crusaders who were having their own little Christian-ish Jihad. Salidan was truly a great man and a leader. It's pathetic, but the arabs might actually be a living example of reverse evolution. Something thought to be impossible. Back to the topic, the arabs didn't have a choice of letting anyone in. As you contradicted yourself in the second post, it was the British. You mention that many Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Atheists coexsisted peacefully for thousands of years... If we're counting by thousands (I assume you belive the world is 6k years old? I'm not sure what religion you are). Then you are making up bullshit. Atheism was punishable by death until recently (even is still in some countries), Christianity is only two thousand years old and never co-exsisted peacefully with anything. Of course you assume that they lived together for thousands of years which is bullshit. Christians first lived in the middle east one thousand years ago during the crusades, but then got driven out. When the Muslims and Jews lived together thousands of years ago, they were one and the same not seperate religions so it is impossible to compare. You say the Jews had to have Israel because they are too antisocial to co-exsist with others? Confusing since you just said they exsisted peacefully with Christians, Muslims, and Atheists. Considering you don't seem to have an education, I will have to explain this to you. The Holocaust was a mass murder of certain "types" of people considered imperfect by a man named Hitler when he came to power in Germany. He was slaughtering gypsies, homosexuals, and anything he considered imperfect. Mainly Jews. The Jews had to escape Europe and looked and looked for a home. They were rejected by many, but eventually were offered to live in the "Palestinian" or as we know it "Israel" area by the British. The Jews readily agreed to share the land with the people who were currently living on it. The arabs that were living on this land refused to share the land with the Jews. The British kicked out the arabs and let the Jews live there.


This is the most absurd. So was India, Africa, Egypt, Iraq, Libia, and most of the world that had some resources of interest to Great Britain...Don't you know that the British evil occupation extended all over the world to suck the resources out of the world......So are you saying the jews made a deal with a theif called England and that's alright in your eyes??...Your eyes are screwed up. For all I care, they could have taken India, zimbabwe, and any part of this whole world under the contemption that it belonged to England and they made a deal, and we would still be fighting you that you are dead wrong to take anybodies land by dealing with an illegal evil occupier. What the hell, perhaps on the same token, USA should put Iraq on the flee market for sale, since they occupy it.


Yes, it was not nice for the British to horde resources like that. You think because a country was hording resources, it suddenly makes the Jews a thief too? The problem is that you seem to think they made some sort of deal with the Jews. You think the Jews had to pay them resources to live there and wanted the arabs kicked out? Once again I point out that British allowed the Jews to live side by side with the arabs, but it was the arabs who did not agree and chose to live in their neighboring arab countries.


SHARE, I love that word. I tell it to my 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son all the time and I sit and watch how they share. My son is usually playing with his car, then my daughter snatches the car from him and screams, SHARE, and run to play alone with it. I try to explain to them that sharing means playing together, but how could a 4 year old girl who wants to use the car to drive her barbey dolls around the house share the point of view of a 2 year old boy who wants to voom voom with the car all day and detach the heads of the barbie off for fun? How can sharing be of any fun when the two don't share ground rules of what constitutes fun.....Now if you want to extrapolate this scenario to the middle east, then imajine a russian stranger kid who came to my house uninvited and attempted to snatch my child toy and screamed SHARE....


That is the problem. The little Muslim boy doesn't know how to share his car with the little Jewish boy who doesn't have one. The Muslim boy runs off screaming "Share!" with his car. The British parent then has to take away the car from the Muslim boy and give it to the Jewish boy, because the Muslim cannot share.


Similarly, It's kindda hard to share, when an all jewish group from europe comes to your house in Asia or Africa to tell you, I'm forming a jewish state under which you shall live and serve my fucking david star flag. The jews shall determine how to run the country and the freakin natives shall shut up and live in concentration camps deprived of all civil rights.


It was in no way an all Jewish state if the arabs and Jews were living together. But if all the arabs refuse to share the land with another religion and leave, then only one religion is left. And when there is a good 90% of one religion in a certain country you can dam well bet religion will be mixed with their form of government, king, etc. Just to let you know, Israel is a democracy, which is why they are such close allies with the U.S. If you consider free land to do whatever they want with, a "concentration camp" you are very misguided. Probably by the laughable CNN propaganda.


Fuck Israel and Fuck any country that is formed solely and exclusively for a religious club members....Hip Hip Horay for separation of state and religion and civil rights for all despite of religion, race, sex, ect.....Fuck Israel , Saudi, the star, the cross, the crecesant. And may god fuck them all equally as they deserve.

Ahh.. but you are wrong. Anyone can live in Israel and there is equality for all. There are many Muslims and Chrisitans living in Israel. Not everyone can live in your countries. Which for some reason you hate so much? Those are the countries where there is no seperation of state and worship, there is no equality, and they are run by people who are tyrants killing just to increase their wealth and power.

ScrollMaker : Considering that the Jews, as in "Israel" are giving away large portions of land to the same people that tried and are still trying today, to kill them, and these are the same people who refused to share their land with the Jews back in 1948, I would say these Jews are pretty dam generous. If someone tried to kill you everyday, how many people do you know that would give part of their "home" to them.

Ghassan:U shouldnt talk about what u have no idea of . Ur assertion is beyond ridiculous . Are you willing to share YOUR land with me because I have this religion that I say entitles me to it ? Regardles where Im from , weither I actually follow this religion or any other supposedly relevant issues ?

Do you think that the Jews suddenly got a godlike power that entitled them to a place that they choose to live? They were trying everywhere to have a home where they would not be murdered by Hitler. And you twist it to make it look like the Jews bumped the people living there off the map. The arabs would not live with them, so they were kicked out. The Jews were all ready and willing to live with them.

ScrollMaker: That land wasn't owned by the arabs and they had no intention of letting the Jews on their land. Why do you think the arabs aren't in Israel anymore? The land was owned by the British and the arabs were living on it.

Ghassan: This man is a joke the Brittish COLONIZED it hello that is something you condone ?


I had no part in this colonization or whatever the British had done and neither had the Jews.

ScrollMaker: And I can tell Jews whatever I want considering I am a non-religious Jew.

Ghassan: Non-religious Jews IS AN OXYMORON ........ but hey thats the joke of the 20th century isnt it ? Yes make up whatever you wish to steal land you're no more Jewish then my cat Shlomo .

Tell that to my mom (that it's an oxymoron). She wants me to consider myself Jewish because it's the way of our ancestors. Yes, now it's the Jews stealing land. lol. The British kicked out the arabs, not the Jews. And it's the arabs who refused to share :rolleyes: So how is it stealing if nothing was stolen. If you get kicked out of your apartment for not following the rules and someone else moves in, is it stealing?

Ghassan: Hey I have some good reads for you mr indoctrinated by fantasy-identity :

3 Questions Zionism - 1 - The Jewish Question (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27665)

3 Questions Zionism - 2 - The Palestinian Question (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28025)

have fun

wayne_92587 : the definition of Imam is from Websters.

Oh man ......

Flores : Fuck Israel , Saudi

It sounds to me like you would be the type of people to try to have intercourse with a country.

Ghassan: Now your talkin sis :D

the star, the cross, the crecesant.

But why hate on symbols ?