EU Poll Names Israel Greatest Threat to World Peace

Most EU citizens polled consider Israel a threat to world peace.

Israel has expressed outrage over an EU poll that said most of the union's citizens see the country as the greatest threat to world peace. The European Commission has distanced itself from the survey.

Senior Israeli leaders have condemned the Eurobarometer poll released on Monday that suggested that 59 percent of EU citizens see Israel as a bigger menace to the world than Iran, Iraq or North Korea.http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1430_A_1022127_1_A,00.html



What were they smoking? How come peace loving people be a threat to world?

Some one please expalin.


Moderator edit: Reduce length of quoted text

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=30047


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hi skywalker

the poll doesn´t say that israel is "the greatest threat" with intention ... perhaps this is just a warning ! €uros don´t hate jews in general , that´s for sure ,so this anti-semite-argument seems somehow to be part of another game .....
but maybe that´s also something they don´t do with intention :p

Hating Israel doesn't = Hating Jews.
;)

Hating Jews= Loving Israel.

;)

If I remember correctly the second biggest threat is the USA

The Israel leaders doesnt seem more civilized than the palestinians, but I suppose they have access to more money and have a higher education.

I am shocked that we didn't come in first. Scaring americanophobic europeans into reverse-defacating their underwear is my greatest joy. (reverse-defacation is when you clench so hard you suck your underwear up your... you know)

the biggest supepower is the biggest threat
USSR was, USA is, China will

Israel politically is the biggest threat to world peace. It's a mini-USA in terms of power. And it's too much power concentrated on one small area, and especially considering that nuke proliferation in the region is exploding, and just general de-stabilization. Israel is also neo-ghettoizing the Pals. into their enclaves of Warsa...sorry Jenin-esqe horridness.

israel is "a threat to world peace" because of what the countries who want it destroyed might do... not because of what it will do to the world.
i don't think that europe is afraid that israel might nuke it... or send ballistic missiles over it as a test or sabre rattling. (unlike dear Kim Jong-Il)
they're afraid the arab/muslim members of OPEC will do an embargo.
they're afraid that the fanatic elements in the arab/muslim world will increase terrorism against it because of any sign of support for israel.

but the other countries in the poll are a danger because of what THEY THEMSELVES can potentially do.

this poll is illogical

Oth, well in reality let's face facts. Israel's very existance is dangerous to world peace.

i don't think that europe is afraid that israel might nuke it...

It's a weird and funny assertion at that, support for Israel makes your country that much more likely to have a 9/11... so yes Israel is quite dangerous, not of herself but what her existance means.

so in order to preserve world stability and destroy terrorism israel should be destroyed...
that's the logical conclusion from your reasoning...

that's what many people are saying. and it's the purest form of anti-semitism

thank god for USA that stands on guard and will never let that happen

Where did I say destruction of Israel.. can you point that out please. This SO typical of the self-hating Zionist... anti-Semitism... blah,blah, blah, come with a argument please. You anti-Semite. *YAWNERS*

Originally posted by otheadp
so in order to preserve world stability and destroy terrorism israel should be destroyed...
that's the logical conclusion from your reasoning...
Actually, the logical conclusion is to remove sharon and his government from power. Regieme Change.
C'mon USA, don't you love doing that kind of thing? Here's a repressive regieme, with actual Weapons of Mass Destruction, who are persecuting people on a daily basis, killing men, women and children indiscriminately. They've even killed several innocent american citizens.
What are you waiting for? :D

Actually, the logical conclusion is to remove sharon and his government from power

been there, done that.
didn't work.
infact, when Barak and Peres were in power that's when the terror started.
you could say the "palestinians" put Sharon in power.

but that's irrelevant to this thread.

This SO typical of the self-hating Zionist... anti-Semitism... blah,blah, blah
nico, i believe that in all my time since i joined sciforums this is the 1st time i'm calling something "anti-semetic".

calling me names and escaping the argument thru this fallacy (bla,bla,bla) doesn't change the fact.

if you attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic.
what is dangerous is the fanatics who want it destroyed, and how far they are willing to go to achieve their sick goal : to destroy the world.

Originally posted by otheadp
been there, done that.
didn't work.
You call the peace process that they'd started "not working"?
Pah.

you could say the "palestinians" put Sharon in power.
No, I couldn't. I'd have to say that the extremists put him in power. Which is mildly ironic, but also disasterous.

if you attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic.
So why call the poll anti-semetic then? It was saying that israel's actions were what were dangerous, not it's mere existance.

what is dangerous is the fanatics who want it destroyed, and how far they are willing to go to achieve their sick goal : to destroy the world.
Oh dear grief.
So who's going to ask for James Bond to be deployed then? :rolleyes:

sparks:

They've even killed several innocent american citizens.

....nah, according to the IDF those ISM morons were no where near those bulldozers.....

oth:
attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic

please explain this and whilst you're doing so, have a little look through this:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=30294

calling me names and escaping the argument thru this fallacy (bla,bla,bla) doesn't change the fact.


Oh but it does, it's pathetic, you have no argument, and it proves that your an idiot. IF there was an argument to escape then you would be right.

if you attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic.


Israel is Anti-Semitic... you're really not getting it do you? I assume that JEWS (not you wannabe Hebrews) are anti-Semitic too... right :rolleyes: That is why Anti-Semitic is such a pathetically low form of debate that I cannot bare but to laugh. It's funny Israel is a state that is the Anti-thesis of the Jewish people, and I am the anti-Semite...Remember you were the one who called Hassidic Jews “monkeys” so whom here is the “anti-semitie”?

those monkeys in the picture there don't support israel because it's not a religious state. if it was as religious as the taliban (minus all the violence), then they'd support it.
they're pathetic...

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nico:
they are the monkeys... blindly believing that by sitting on their asses and praying all day, not supporting their brethren in the only jewish state in the world (which is constantly in trouble), they are doing god's will.
the way i see it, if another holocaust comes in one form or another, these monkeys will at least have a place to run to... and run they shall

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these bastards are appeasing the anti-israel crowd. "leave us alone. see? we're not with them. look at our nice posters! plz don't hate us. just let us pray all day"
pathetic traitors. *who here is the pathetic traitor, a atheist, calling Israel the holy land, or Jews who reject it because it's not holy?*



??Monkey thread (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26906&highlight=monkeys)

So yes oth you're right I AM A SCREAMING ANTI-SEMITIE! :rolleyes: the utter and complete hypocracy just kills.*talk about self-hating*

what is dangerous is the fanatics who want it destroyed, and how far they are willing to go to achieve their sick goal : to destroy the world.

WHAAAAAAAA.... omg (something u self hating Zionist don’t believe in) you’re too low, you’re amazingly stupid. And it’s shocking this continues to be on WEP. Bacon is evil too right

it's pathetic, you have no argument, and it proves that your an idiot
only if you say so

Israel is Anti-Semitic... you're really not getting it do you?
dear nico. if you change the definition of "anti semitism" to suit your own arguments then of course by your definition i would be wrong and you would be right.

I assume that JEWS (not you wannabe Hebrews) are anti-Semitic too...
some jews are anti semetic. how on earth did you arrive to the conclusion that being jewish automatically excludes you from being anti-semetic??

It's funny Israel is a state that is the Anti-thesis of the Jewish people
if Neturei Karta maybe. that would be too convenient for you, wouldn't it.

Remember you were the one who called Hassidic Jews “monkeys”
you bet i did!
but rest assured, it had nothing to do with them being Hassids but rather the pro-Palestinian signs they had in their hands...i.e. their political idiology.
again, that would be pretty convenient for you.


those quotes of me.. man, did you go thread-by-thread to find this? this is like from months ago! you seriously need to get laid, my friend :rolleyes:

... u self hating Zionist ... you’re too low, you’re amazingly stupid.
only if you say so.

all these insults... did i frustrate you? maybe you should learn to debate better.

[/b]Bacon is evil too right[b]
uh... yeah...(smile and nod)

only if you say so

I don't say anything, logical fallicies do, unless of course your smarter and better then those?

some jews are anti semetic. how on earth did you arrive to the conclusion that being jewish automatically excludes you from being anti-semetic??


Where, and how? Your not Jewish, you don't even know what the hell Jewish means. Do I have to explain to you why I am more semitic then you, Ivan the terrible? Secondly Zionists are atheists like you and thus, because you reject your "semitic" roots you are self-hating and anti-semitic. Please spare me the infantile conclusions. Jeez I wish I were a pseudo-semitie too mommy!

if Neturei Karta maybe. that would be too convenient for you, wouldn't it.


No, to the jewish faith. The same faith you don't believe in yet, still calling yourself a "jew"

but rest assured, it had nothing to do with them being Hassids but rather the pro-Palestinian signs they had in their hands...i.e. their political idiology

That was "moneky" the most anti-semitic nonsense I have ever heard on sci. You are trying to justify this... how? That your not being anti-semitic, because your a atheist Zionist? LOL, can anyone else just verify that they are laughing with me?

those quotes of me.. man, did you go thread-by-thread to find this?

This is a novel idea.... go to search... type in monkey's, and your name, and look what you got!

you seriously need to get laid, my friend


1) don't appeal to ridicule, because u can't prove that I haven't.
2) I am sorry you can appeal to ridicule, your just ridiculous.

all these insults... did i frustrate you? maybe you should learn to debate better

What insults? What I said was true, if you can't handle it. Then too bad.

uh... yeah...(smile and nod)

I bet you nod a lot
;)

because you reject your "semitic roots

most zionist dont even have semetic roots.;)

What I meant by that is Jewish religion being semitic.

your buddy.....

http://www.nkusa.org/



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I don't say anything, logical fallicies do
i suggest you reread those logical fallacies... again and again... until you learn them.. and then learn how to apply them properly

Your not Jewish
by your logic and understanding. but i guess that shows something about your logic and understanding.

you don't even know what the hell Jewish means
a) i don't point at a small sect of religious nuts (Neturei Karta) and claim they represent the entire Jewish people
b) i know there are at least a half-dozen "divisions" of whom you probably never heard of (and reading about them in google is not enough. you have to know them)
c) how about you tell me what a real "christian" or real "muslim" means and then tell me what a real "jew" means, professor.

I bet you nod a lot
funny

That was "moneky" the most anti-semitic nonsense I have ever heard on sci. You are trying to justify this... how? That your not being anti-semitic, because your a atheist Zionist? LOL, can anyone else just verify that they are laughing with me?

did you even read what i wrote?

quote:Oth
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attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic
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Wraith
please explain this and whilst you're doing so, have a little look through this:

So oth, could you explain your earlier statement?

I would say these are a bigger threat to world peace...

..and they have demonstrated this fact over the last two years.

http://www.nrc.nl/images/bush,7.jpg
http://electronicintifada.net/al-bassaleh/newsphotos/rumsfeld.jpg
http://www.clarkshadows.com/ashcroft.jpg

i suggest you reread those logical fallacies... again and again... until you learn them.. and then learn how to apply them properly

I suggest you tell me how I have used them improperly... then come back and make this a statement worth regarding.

by your logic and understanding. but i guess that shows something about your logic and understanding.


If being atheist is Jewish then something is wrong here.

c) how about you tell me what a real "christian" or real "muslim" means and then tell me what a real "jew" means, professor.


EXACTLY my point, (the other two I regard as appeals to ridicule), Jew you have just equated with other RELIGIONS. You’re not religious and thus you’re not Jewish. You said it not me. :p The context you've been using is Jewish as a race not a religion... obviously you've proven yourself wrong. You don't have to be a good jew to be considered Jewish. You just have to be Jewish. ;)

did you even read what i wrote?

SO? Again how does it not make you anti-Semitic? You do realize me and you are gentiles... goy's... lol. :rolleyes: Your not a Jew, it's simple as that. You haven’t been able to tell me a alternative (logical) alternative to a Jew.

my dear nico.
looks like we (you) are moving in circles. i've noticed you do that a lot.

also, my inability to explain something to your stuck-in-reverse mind does not make my point any less valid.
and besides, it's not even my point.

Judaism is not strictly a religion. You can't understand that so you make up your own version of what Judaism is... and then call me "low" and "stupid" for not agreeing with that version.

i hope it passes with age.... or as you complete the adolescence process...as you leave the teenage years ;)

the original topic was "biggest threat to the world"... if u wanna talk about that, sure. but no more dancing in circles with you re: "what is Judaism"
(p.s., "a real Jew" is not what Luca thinks a Jew should be :rolleyes: )

so, back to the topic:
the world considers Israel as the threat, and not the fanatics who want to destroy it.
the way i see it, it's like blaming a rape victim for being raped, as opposed to the perpetrators...
or a bank for being robbed. "these bank owners... they put all this money in poor peoples' faces! serves them right to get robbed"

how about you blame the Japan for NK's fanatical foreign policy and practices?

or Saudi Arabia for Iran's nuke ambitions

otheadp

using your same analogy about the raped person. not everyone sees israel through the rose colored goggles you do. a great many of us view israel as the rapist and the palestinians as the raped.

another great many see the palestinians as the rapists.

with the same logic of blaming israel for the world's actions, i can also say that the palestinians are the world's biggest threat.
they make israel retaliate, and in return the world gets really pissy.

Regardless whom anyone is raping, zionists are constructing their most xenophobic and genocidal cage in history.

Birthrates. Immigration. Foreign aid.. Do the math, and understand.

Every middle east country is a xenophobic and genocidal cage. When in Rome.

...fall with the Empire.

But who shall stand?

Regardless whom anyone is raping, zionists are constructing their most xenophobic and genocidal cage in history.

a) aha... resorting to irrelevant points (which arent even true) to avoid the topic
b) you should explain these xenophbic tendencies to dozens of happy minorities who live in israel... or better yet, to the Bedouin population (who are Muslim btw) of whom a big number serves in the IDF (check .this (http://www.ishmaelkhaldi.com/) out) or the Ethiopian Jews who were brought to israel....were taught how to use light switches and toilets and are now part of israeli society.
do go on
c) another example how israel is singled out. where is your cry for justice for human slavery (just like in the movies) that happen in the arab world? what about the former afghanistan?
israel is a vibrant democracy.... yet's it's worse then the taliban or the house of Saud... as people say... and yet it is israel who are the xenophobes ???

i wouldnt call israel a democracy.

"aha... resorting to irrelevant points ..." (That Israelis are isolating themselves)

Just because you recoil from a point does not mean it is irrelevant to this discussion of the serious dangers Israel continues to present to international security.

"you should explain these xenophbic tendencies to dozens of happy minorities who live in israel"

Ishmael Khaldi is a man who will parrot the latest Likud propaganda shamelessly, and is being groomed to steer American opinion as Bibi Netanyahu once did on the college and TV circuit: “As a Bedouin, we believe that problems among enemies can be solved by negotiation..." (so far so good, but now) "... In the last few years, there has been a failure. The failure comes from the Palestinian side trying to reach an agreement, but with no success because the Palestinians have no leadership.” (no mention of why Palestinian leadership is in difficulty- but I won't review recent events here).

"you should explain these xenophbic tendencies to dozens of happy minorities who live in israel"

I don't have to explain these tendencies to people who daily confront demeaning and intolerable curtailments of freedom of travel, work, speech, association, and equal participation in society. Israel is a zionist state by design and in practice, and the arrogance of the Israeli national character is a demeaning shock to many Jewish immigrants. No sugar-coating can disguise the fact that zionism singles out people for unequal treatment based on ethnicity.

"...were taught how to use light switches and toilets and are now part of israeli society.

Having lived in Ethiopia, I can assure you that even the poorest of Ethiopians understand light switches and toilets, even if they have never had them in their own homes.

"where is your cry for justice for human slavery (just like in the movies) that happen in the arab world?"

Certainly it's not topical here, but I do oppose slavery and exploitation. Saudi Arabia is approaching uprising and overthrow because of systemic exploitation among other nontopical reasons (this is why US is in Iraq). This does not get Israel off the hook for being a repressive apartheid state.

Look, you can compare depravity with as many other countries as you like, but you eventually must come to grips with the basic character of Israel, and how the image of Israel is changing in the world within and around her. The higher Israel's walls, the more her weapons bristle, the more her propaganda is manufactured, the more the previously oppressed become increasingly oppressive themselves, the greater the danger.

Israelis and zionists are not the world's only ethnic isolationists, not the worlds only oppressive regime, not the world's only con job- However, they are arguably the world's most dangerous flashpoint in terms of global stability.

my inability to explain something to your stuck-in-reverse mind does not make my point any less valid

Yes it does make your point irrelevant. If you can't even explain what you’re defending I have no point but to say that it's over. You’re not a Jew, what is a Jew? You said that Jew is religious based, why? Because you compared a Jew to a Muslim, or a Christian. Using the logic which somehow you are presenting you would have compared a Jew to a Brit, or a Chinese no?

You can't understand that so you make up your own version of what Judaism is

I have been asking you to tell me what it is! Do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Well it's rather irrelevant what you think because you don't even know what a Jew is, you've even admitting this. I have told you before, I could very well be a Jew using your "genetic" Bull crap. Using your logic just because I am catholic doesn’t mean my family didn't convert into Catholicism. Then I should be a Jew as well... why am I not considered one? Because I am not a person who is a adherent to Judaism. Unless Oth you can come to me and explain to me why you’re Jewish your point is moot.

or as you complete the adolescence process

Your like 21 please...:rolleyes: give me a break. I would get in trouble if I said that.

Originally posted by otheadp
israel is "a threat to world peace" because of what the countries who want it destroyed might do... not because of what it will do to the world. i don't think that europe is afraid that israel might nuke it... or send ballistic missiles over it as a test or sabre rattling. (unlike dear Kim Jong-Il) they're afraid the arab/muslim members of OPEC will do an embargo.they're afraid that the fanatic elements in the arab/muslim world will increase terrorism against it because of any sign of support for israel.

but the other countries in the poll are a danger because of what THEY THEMSELVES can potentially do

As uneducated as ever , Oth seriously you should stop making ridiculous assertions , the only one who was"having boycotting ideas was Saddam Hussain . Perhaps you didnt know but all the oil states are allies of USA , they will go no more extreme than shifting toward being allies of Europe , but that is economically not yet in sight and Israel is far to strong to seriously oppose and to dangerous to let go of .

so in order to preserve world stability and destroy terrorism israel should be destroyed...

Why is always assumed physical destruction when its merely a political shift that is necesarry ?

that's what many people are saying. and it's the purest form of anti-semitism

No its anti-NATIONALISM because Israel ISNT equal to Jewish , if it can even be considered Jewish in the first place .

You lost the anti-semitic joker-card because you are a nation like all nations now , so you can be opposed like all nations can be opposed . If anti-zionism is anti-semitic then anti-nazism is anti-germanic .

thank god for USA that stands on guard and will never let that happen

Yea righ , untill they get ANTISEMITIC on your ass .

been there, done that.
didn't work.infact, when Barak and Peres were in power that's when the terror started.

Im sorry "left-zionist" doesnt pass for "peacefull" .

you could say the "palestinians" put Sharon in power.

Yea and Shamir and Begin and Bennie Green too .

but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic.

Kechol hamim or something my Hebrew Djugashvili , you do not equal Jews you equal national identity . Being anti-Israel is like being anti-France . its OK . Get it ?

what is dangerous is the fanatics who want it destroyed, and how far they are willing to go to achieve their sick goal : to destroy the world.

Destroy the world ? You watch toomuch TV man , seriously . Anyways no relevancy for desires of the powerless .

some jews are anti semetic.

Thats right ZIONISTS . I have given you many times quotes of ANTISEMITIC expressions by zionists and never has there been anything to deny this , Herzl and his followers were of the first to follow the anti-semitic German writers .

i don't point at a small sect of religious nuts (Neturei Karta) and claim they represent the entire Jewish people

Thats pretty much the basis of the Israeli state , you can exchange "religious" for "racialist" nuts and you would see your answer .

Neturei Karta indeed doesnt represent all the Jews nor all the Jews who are opposed to zionism . How many times should you be pointed out all your Jewish opposition ?

how about you tell me what a real "christian" or real "muslim" means and then tell me what a real "jew" means, professor.

How about if he practices a little bit of Judaism , this isnt an issue of interpertation its an issue of presence .

And its logical because they arent trying to be Jews , they are trying to be HEBREWS .

Anyways many "Jews" in Israel arent Jewish based on jewish laws in the fact that a Jewish grandfather or grandmother qualifies to become Hebrew while Jewish law speaks of a Jewish MOTHER , otherwise there should be conversed and clearly that isnt happening .

And be honest you dont even call yourself "Jews" in Israel you call yourself Hebrews or Israeli , you suddenly become "Jew" when you are on foreign ground so that you can play the role of weak minority that falls subject to anti-semitism .

how about you blame the Japan for NK's fanatical foreign policy and practices?

Japan are Europeans as well ? And yea you could blame Japan just a lil' bit , or a lil' bit more .

or Saudi Arabia for Iran's nuke ambitions

A true Ot compare , actual VS potential with whatever result for as long as its zionist correct .

not everyone sees israel through the rose colored goggles you do

http://holywar.org/poster120.gif

another great many see the palestinians as the rapists.

Yea rapist yes reminds me of a previous writing .....

with the same logic of blaming israel for the world's actions, i can also say that the palestinians are the world's biggest threat.

Just like the Jews OTTO , just like the Jews .

you should explain these xenophbic tendencies to dozens of happy minorities who live in israel... or better yet, to the Bedouin population (who are Muslim btw) of whom a big number serves in the IDF (check .this out) or the Ethiopian Jews who were brought to israel....were taught how to use light switches and toilets and are now part of israeli society.
do go on

Ethiopians is a bad point for Israel , are you actually attempting to use it as a virtuous action ? Is this shit for real here ?

And yes there are Bedouins that allied , that's what divide and conquer is all about ....... but I suppose that's all "offlimits" for you .

Originally posted by Wraith
quote:Oth
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attack israel's policies, that's political criticism.
but saying that israel's existence is the biggest danger to the world is anti-semetic
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Wraith
please explain this and whilst you're doing so, have a little look through this:

So oth, could you explain your earlier statement?