View Full Version : Big Bang - True or False?


darksidZz
03-22-07, 04:01 PM
Select which on the poll are true.

Afterwards refer to http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/2006/07/big-bang-common-misconceptions.html to see if you're right!

BenTheMan
03-22-07, 04:02 PM
"The Big Bang was an Explosion."

No.

BenTheMan
03-22-07, 04:03 PM
"There's no evidence for the Big Bang."

This is trivially false.

Please read this:
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

BenTheMan
03-22-07, 04:04 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2271377.stm

BenTheMan
03-22-07, 04:05 PM
Oh...Maybe I should have read your WHOLE post...

BenTheMan
03-22-07, 05:02 PM
Sorry to spoil your fun darksidZz. I thought we were in for more Bad Science!

Roman
03-22-07, 06:01 PM
ur sicens is dum

Theophage
03-22-07, 06:25 PM
Yay! I chose correctly!

Now, where do I collect my prize money?

Yorda
03-23-07, 01:07 PM
big bang was an expansion of space which couldn't expand because there was no space outside to expand to.

BenTheMan
03-23-07, 01:14 PM
big bang was an expansion of space which couldn't expand because there was no space outside to expand to.

Seriously?

RoyLennigan
03-23-07, 01:43 PM
big bang was an expansion of space which couldn't expand because there was no space outside to expand to.

Why does it have to expand into space? Why can it not just expand into an aether of another dimension?

BenTheMan
03-23-07, 02:04 PM
Why does it have to expand into space? Why can it not just expand into an aether of another dimension?

No. Bad.

"Space" was created in the big bang. To say "the universe has to expand in space" or "the universe has to expand into another dimension" implies that there is "space" or "dimension" outside of the universe. This you cannot know.

RoyLennigan
03-23-07, 02:54 PM
I was simply implying that there are other aethers in which to expand, not just what we call space.

Singularity
04-01-07, 11:11 PM
I cant believe this, i wanted to vote but the poll is closed.

BB is crap and lame like Stephen Hawking.

RoyLennigan
04-02-07, 10:15 AM
BB is crap and lame like Stephen Hawking.

I'm sure you can do better

Saquist
04-02-07, 12:05 PM
I though this was almost proven.
In the 90's they used a satelite to mearuse the ambient background radiation of space and it showed as aspected a steady decline.

Now this doesn't make it proven but since then I've heard of no major contention to the theory.

Singularity
04-02-07, 12:28 PM
I though this was almost proven.
In the 90's they used a satelite to mearuse the ambient background radiation of space and it showed as aspected a steady decline.

Now this doesn't make it proven but since then I've heard of no major contention to the theory.

So what is this radiation reflect off from, specially since there was nothing for it to bounce on in the beginning. :shrug:

Saquist
04-02-07, 12:39 PM
i don't quite comprehend what you mean.

darksidZz
04-02-07, 12:41 PM
I feel sad, this wasn't really a poll about the Big Bang itself, it was more about the article and whether you would think those things were true or not. When you guessed and read they weren't it was supposed to be shocking.

Singularity
04-03-07, 03:10 AM
i don't quite comprehend what you mean.

The background radiation cant just wait in space.

BenTheMan
04-03-07, 07:49 AM
AT 300,000 years, photons decoupled from matter. This is the source of the CMB radiation. Before this time, the photons were stuck bouncing off of electrons, called Compton Scattering. Think of shooting a ping pong ball (the photon) into a very dense forrest. The ping pong ball will not go very far before it hits another tree, then another, and so on. Now, if the trees were slowly spreading apart, eventually there would be enough room between the trees so that the collisions are very rare. This is essentially what happened in the early universe.

So in essence the radiation can "just wait around", although this comment is altogether meaningless.

BenTheMan
04-03-07, 07:50 AM
Come on darksidZz---you should know noone ever reads the articles others link to.

Singularity
04-03-07, 10:18 AM
There is something wrong with my house bulb, as soon as its switched off darkness quickly takes over instead of waiting for the photons to bounce here and there.

ScottMana
04-03-07, 08:13 PM
I have seen some of what is presented when you ask of evidence that the big bang occurred. But I have never seen any good evidence that proves it. Is there any?

ScottMana
04-03-07, 08:17 PM
Come on darksidZz---you should know noone ever reads the articles others link to.

I have read every link of yours in this thread.

BenTheMan
04-03-07, 08:49 PM
I have read every link of yours in this thread.

Good. You're not an ordinary SciForums member. For what it's worth, I read links too.

I have seen some of what is presented when you ask of evidence that the big bang occurred. But I have never seen any good evidence that proves it. Is there any?

You mean other than the links that I posted?

azizbey
04-05-07, 05:07 PM
Select which on the poll are true.

Afterwards refer to http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/2006/07/big-bang-common-misconceptions.html to see if you're right!

well, it is hard to explain to the minds which trapped in 4 dimensions, BB has happened in nothingness, not in space. since BB is the source and very reason of everything in existence, and vacuum space is one of them. as BB occurred , it created the vacumm space as it expanded. as i said, it is almost impossible to picture "nothingness" since as you try to comprehend, you ruin it unintentionally.
well said

azizbey
04-05-07, 05:09 PM
There is something wrong with my house bulb, as soon as its switched off darkness quickly takes over instead of waiting for the photons to bounce here and there.
theoretical physics says that, if the light source in a room with walls completely reflective, even if the light source turns off, photons will bounce back and forth forever. in your room, they are absorbed by the elements
well said

darksidZz
04-05-07, 05:52 PM
Wow, that would be so neat! You could have umm? Everlasting light? Wouldn't that be like perpetual photons... impossible?

BenTheMan
04-05-07, 06:50 PM
Wow, that would be so neat! You could have umm? Everlasting light? Wouldn't that be like perpetual photons... impossible?

No. If the collisions were perfectly ellastic (i.e. the walls were perfectly reflecting), then there is never any energy lost by the photons. So the photons would bounce in the room indefinitely. The problem with actually DOING this is that the walls would ostencibly be made of atoms. Atoms tend to absorb light, and the collisions will never be perfectly elastic---the neucleus of the incident atom recoils slightly due to the photon, and there is some energy loss.

Singularity
04-06-07, 03:00 AM
But they dont absorb background radiation for 15 billion years, right ?

BenTheMan
04-06-07, 06:26 PM
Not when the background radiation lives in mostly free space. THINK.

Saquist
04-12-07, 09:48 AM
The background radiation cant just wait in space.

why not?

The Galaxyies are moving further appart there's a residual presence of radiation that is steadly declining. Forensics tell us there was shot fired. the decline of radiation tells us when. A projectile tells us from where the shot was fired.

darksidZz
04-12-07, 01:25 PM
Hey, so like even if ya could make perpetual light it would eventually hit you! Thus it would be absorbed into you :( I thought for a minute you could make a room forever bright!

Singularity
04-12-07, 03:52 PM
Hey, so like even if ya could make perpetual light it would eventually hit you! Thus it would be absorbed into you :( I thought for a minute you could make a room forever bright!

These experts are saying that light in closed room should not fade away, since this happens most efficiently in the universe without any WALLs ;)

BenTheMan
04-12-07, 04:03 PM
Hey, so like even if ya could make perpetual light it would eventually hit you! Thus it would be absorbed into you I thought for a minute you could make a room forever bright!

This is not possible because the atoms in the walls absorb the light.

These experts are saying that light in closed room should not fade away, since this happens most efficiently in the universe without any WALLs

Sigh.

Oli
04-12-07, 04:34 PM
I'm starting to realise what Singularity's "incomprehendibility" applies to.... sometime he's verging on incomprehensibility.

Singularity
04-13-07, 02:43 AM
I'm starting to realise what Singularity's "incomprehendibility" applies to.... sometime he's verging on incomprehensibility.

Will u stop stalking me. U sexually deprived sticky bug.

Oli
04-13-07, 05:33 AM
Will u stop stalking me.
Short answer - no. Not as long as you keep posting inane drivel. But "stalking"? It is to laugh. Your ego is as inflated as your knowledge of science is small.
U sexually deprived sticky bug.
Ouch - quite patently the most most wounding epithet ever applied on SF. (Seriously dude, you got to learn some better insults, or at least more accurate - the only factual thing that could apply to me in that was "u")