Bias Against Muslims Up 70%
Radio Talk Shows, Iraq War Among Reasons, Study Finds

By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 3, 2004; Page A12

Muslims in the United States experienced more than 1,000 incidents of alleged harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment in 2003, a jump of 70 percent over the previous year, according to a report to be released today by a major Islamic advocacy group.

The report by the Council on American-Islamic Relations attributed the increase to such factors as Muslim-bashing on radio talk shows and tensions surrounding the war in Iraq.

The group said it received 1,019 complaints from Muslims last year concerning discriminatory or violent actions, up from 602 the year before. The biggest number of incidents had to do with employment and the refusal to accommodate religious practices. But there were 93 reported hate crimes, more than double the total in 2002. And there were numerous cases in which Muslims alleged that laws were applied to them more harshly because of their ethnic or religious identity.

"We are definitely facing an uphill battle in the struggle for civil rights in this country, especially with regard to the American Muslim community," said Mohamed Nimer, the author of the report, "Unpatriotic Acts."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61488-2004May2.html

Isnt the key word her alleged? Not all may be true or even a large number of them, many people feel discrimenated against when they werent.

Oh I see, so when a muslim woman get spatt at and her headscarf is removed forcefully, it is not an attack or discrimination or harrassment, right ?

:mad:

The oppressed are not the good guys but just the oppressors in waiting.

what a load of nonesense !!

Again PM read the post, MANY people feel that way, not all, and not all of the ones that feel that way make a complaint, there are many things to take into account like the fact discrimination is on the increase in general.

And why the discrimination is on the increase in general ? why this hate and bias against muslims ?

And why the discrimination is on the increase in general
I suppose people prefer to look after what they consider their own countrymen, but really im not able to answer that and the only people that can answer is the people that discriminate, im just informing you muslims arnt the only ones being discriminated against, even age discrimination is on the increase.

It is very sad this hate and bias against Muslims, this will only generate more hate and bias against non muslims in muslim lands. :(

Oh I see, so when a muslim woman get spatt at and her headscarf is removed forcefully, it is not an attack or discrimination or harrassment, right ?

Rough foreplay. ;)

- N

Bias Against Muslims Up 70%
Radio Talk Shows, Iraq War Among Reasons, Study Finds

Thank you for informing us, Mary Beth. How's it working for the Post?

Rough foreplay. ;)

- N

what do you mean ?

In new news, a new study has shown that bias against muslims is up 80%. This has been supposedly caused by one member who is a complete doche bag.

When the Irish first immigrated to the US, they were spat upon and worse. When the Italians first immigrated the same. We have a tendency to not like newcomers, whose ways are not our ways. And who "Take our jobs." The irish and italians overcame their adversity and are now integral parts of our society. The muslims will as well, if they care to. One thing Americans don't like is when a people immigrate but refuse to join. The jews have been hated and feared for this reason. They are seperatists in many ways (the more extreme ones anyways.) It is a pattern, recent immigrants are the lowest of the low, eventually through struggle and hardship, they pull themselves up. America is the land of opportunity, not the land of ease.

Personally, I'd say the figures are wrong or at least misleading. I live in a liberal state though, most muslims I've seen are treated well. I'd guess the majority of crimes against muslims would be in the South, New York, and probably Boston and the like. Southerners are notoriously xenophobic, New Yorkers are still pissed about 9/11 and are violent to begin with, and Boston is the most racist city in the US (hearsay.) And how is a crime against a muslim to be distinguished from a "hate crime" against a muslim for being a muslim anyway? If a muslim gets mugged in central park is it a hate crime? I have a problem with the whole "hate crime" issue.

Anyway, this is another thread that has no place in this forum in my opinion. More than just because it is a propaganda thread, but because it has no religious discussion. It's about a religious group, but not about the religion itself. I think the criteria about what a religious is needs to be reviewed if this is allowed under the present rules. This should really be in the ethics, morality, and justice forum. That's what it's really about isn't it? Not religion.

If they don't like it, they can always return to their own country. Nobody asked them to go there. Some of us don't even want them here, but that doesn't stop them from coming over and whinging when they don't get everything their own way.

Simple solution: Go back home.

Btw Loud_Muslim, take this to an appropriate forum section.

If they don't like it, they can always return to their own country. Nobody asked them to go there. Some of us don't even want them here, but that doesn't stop them from coming over and whinging when they don't get everything their own way.

Simple solution: Go back home.

It is NOT up to you to decide who should come and who should leave America or Australia, it is up to the NATIVE AMERICANS and the ABORIGINALS to decide, now, you should pack up and leave back to Ireland, thank you :rolleyes:

Beside, hundreds of thousands of those muslims are AMERICANS by birth, where they should leave to ??? :rolleyes:

I think that your 70% number is wrong hoax-muslim. Please provide the names of the millions of people who hate muslims.

Beside, hundreds of thousands of those muslims are AMERICANS by birth, where they should leave to ??? They should leave to any religion of which you are not a member.

In new news, a new study has shown that bias against muslims is up 80%. This has been supposedly caused by one member who is a complete doche bag.

I think you have very poor grasp of english:

Muslims in the United States experienced more than 1,000 incidents of alleged harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment in 2003, a jump of 70 percent over the previous year, according to a report to be released today by a major Islamic advocacy group.

the 70% figure is the jump in incidents of harassment, violence and discrimination, I advice you to re-read the article again.

I think you don't understand the meaning of the word 'alleged'.

"Excuse me sir, are you beating me up because I am muslim? I need to know for that poll next week."

It is NOT up to you to decide who should come and who should leave America or Australia, it is up to the NATIVE AMERICANS and the ABORIGINALS to decide, now, you should pack up and leave back to Ireland, thank you

I am not from America or Australia. I'm an Englishman. I have no Irish ancestors whatsoever. However, if I may recount a quick story..

I moved to Denmark, and after a little while realised that it wasn't quite what I was after - so I returned back home. What I did not do, which is where we differ, is make demands that a completely different culture and society change solely for my benefit. I also "mingled" for the short time I was there, learning their customs etc. The Muslim people here don't care for any of that - instead they separate themselves from society and then make demands upon it - which they have no right to do.

The only socialising I've seen Muslims do here, is to stand on streets begging for money, even though our government is already giving them enough.

This is the major problem. They don't bother trying to "fit in" with the country, but stand against it and attack anything they don't like the look of.. while expecting everything they want handed to them on a silver platter.

How are we all supposed to live together in harmony, when they do not care for, or want, harmony?

Beside, hundreds of thousands of those muslims are AMERICANS by birth, where they should leave to ??

Somewhere where they will be more happy, and where they will feel like their "demands" are being met more adequately.

It is NOT up to you to decide who should come and who should leave America or Australia, it is up to the NATIVE AMERICANS and the ABORIGINALS to decide, now, you should pack up and leave back to Ireland, thank you
no it's really up to the government and the laws
:)

the 70% figure is the jump in incidents of harassment, violence and discrimination, I advice you to re-read the article again.
At the risk of repeating myself its not the jump in incidents, its the jump in ALLEGED incidents.

"re-read the article again"

wouldnt it have made more sense to tell him to read the article again, or to re-read the article??? not both :P

"It is NOT up to you to decide who should come and who should leave America or Australia, it is up to the NATIVE AMERICANS and the ABORIGINALS to decide, now, you should pack up and leave back to Ireland, thank you"

PM, If the Aboriginees were a majority, then they could vote in a predominantly Aboriginee parliament, and then it would be their country more then white peoples. Thats the joy of democracies, they're fair. Dont bitch about another form of govt unless you have a better one, and trust me, you dont have a better one.

It is NOT up to you to decide who should come and who should leave America or Australia, it is up to the NATIVE AMERICANS and the ABORIGINALS to decide, now, you should pack up and leave back to Ireland, thank you :rolleyes:

Beside, hundreds of thousands of those muslims are AMERICANS by birth, where they should leave to ??? :rolleyes:
Oh dear lord. Don't you even see that you contradict yourself? So if the Native Americans told all the Muslims and Christians to leave America or Australia, you'd be fine with that? Or would you then argue that those Muslims are American by birth? :rolleyes:

And I agree with Persol here. Do you have the names of all the people who've been abused and also the names of everyone who hates Muslims? Otherwise we could say that it is a hoax and that 70% figure is blown out of proportion to get the pity vote from the rest of the world.

Not good when your own argument comes back to bite you on the arse now is it?

Why all this fuss about the Europeans going into other people's countries when that's exactly how Muslims built their empire? Did the Muslims ever leave when they were asked to? No. They had to be driven out. Such is the nature of humans and, sorry PM, but Muslims are no better than the rest of us when it comes to grabbing for land and power. Well, maybe they're not as good at it anymore, but they were once upon a time.

I am not from America or Australia. I'm an Englishman. I have no Irish ancestors whatsoever. However, if I may recount a quick story..

If you can prove your ancestory dates back to England before the Norman invasion, you can demand people to leave England, after all, England belongs to the WELSH, not to the Germans !!

The Muslim people here don't care for any of that - instead they separate themselves from society and then make demands upon it - which they have no right to do.

What a load of bullshit, you do realize that we have muslims in the house of common and the house of lords, dont you ?

Also, maybe you need to tell me about the english when they went to India, did they mingle and adopt to the culture there ? HYPOCRITES ! :rolleyes:

The only socialising I've seen Muslims do here, is to stand on streets begging for money, even though our government is already giving them enough.

You are lying ! Muslims dont beg , those beggars are romanian gypsies, not muslims, you are excused as you dont know the difference between the two !

This is the major problem. They don't bother trying to "fit in" with the country, but stand against it and attack anything they don't like the look of.. while expecting everything they want handed to them on a silver platter.

Again, you are lying ! it is was the MUSLIMS who built Britian after the WW2, it is the MUSLIMS who work hard ( 18-19 hour a day ) while the fat english is down the PUP pissing on his peers.

Stop lying !! most people in the UK know that the muslims are hard working people, one man from manchester told me that before the pakistanis came, you cant get petrol for your car if it was weekend, you have to wait for monday, but since the muslims came, you can fill WHENEVR you want no matter what !

Somewhere where they will be more happy, and where they will feel like their "demands" are being met more adequately.

And that will be in their own nations, racism will be eliminated sooner or later, after all, YOU NEED US more than we need you:

Living with Britain's population timebomb

http://society.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,7838,1130899,00.html

Enjoy !

Why all this fuss about the Europeans going into other people's countries when that's exactly how Muslims built their empire? Did the Muslims ever leave when they were asked to? No. They had to be driven out. Such is the nature of humans and, sorry PM, but Muslims are no better than the rest of us when it comes to grabbing for land and power. Well, maybe they're not as good at it anymore, but they were once upon a time.

Oh Yeah, it was Muslims who killed the native Americans and stole their land establishing the USA !

It was the Muslims who killed the Aboriginals in Australia and stole their land!

It was the Muslims who killed the Aztics and the Mayas in Latin America and stole their land !!

It was the Muslims who enslaved the Africans and stole their land and colonized it for centuries !! right Paula ???

:rolleyes:

That's not what she said and you know it. Therefore, I too can all you "LIAR"!

:D

fat english is down the PUP pissing on his peers.
Eh? LOL... ermm PM, it's 'pub' and 'beers'.:D And just because beer has that certain colour does not mean that it's urine... :eek:

"fat english is down the PUP pissing on his peers"
i call racism on that

", it is the MUSLIMS who work hard ( 18-19 hour a day )"
if that is true, then muslims are responsible for the crap that people have to put up with. People SHOULDNT work 18 hours a day, the only thing it will lead to is a robot state, where no-one has any personal freedom

you should not be proud of working 18-19 hours, 8 hours is enough to help society and not too much

it is the MUSLIMS who work hard ( 18-19 hour a day )
If they do its because they choose to, not because they need to.
If you can prove your ancestory dates back to England before the Norman invasion, you can demand people to leave England, after all, England belongs to the WELSH, not to the Germans !!
Germans??? The normans were from normandy(hence the name) which is in france.
And i shall correct your history, before the normans we were invaded by the danish(vikings), and by the anglo saxons(again from france) and before that the romans(do i need to tell you were they are from?), before that Britain belonged to the celts, who may have come from france, and they settled all across england, wales, and scotland and called themselves Britons, so welsh isnt quite right now is it?
Also, maybe you need to tell me about the english when they went to India, did they mingle and adopt to the culture there ? HYPOCRITES !
Didnt we invade india? Isnt that why they adopted our culture in places(but not all places) as we were ruling them? So wheres the hypocricy?
You are lying ! Muslims dont beg , those beggars are romanian gypsies, not muslims
And you know they are romanian gypsies how? And may i point out its rather difficult for anyone to confuse a romanian with a muslim.(unless they are a romanian muslim but that doesnt help your arguement now does it?)
it is was the MUSLIMS who built Britian after the WW2
Care to provide a source for that? And no they didnt build it it was already built, some of it needed repairing, many people from other countries helped out.
Stop lying !! most people in the UK know that the muslims are hard working people,
Some are some arnt, same as everybody else, you still generalise way too much, anything good about a single muslim and you claim it with all muslims, anything bad about one other person and you claim it for all people the same religion or race as that person.

"fat english is down the PUP pissing on his peers"
I can honestly say I have never seen a fat Englishman pissing on a pup 's beers.

And why the discrimination is on the increase in general ? why this hate and bias against muslims ?

proberly it's feelings reciprecated. As you give enough hate and bias to other religions
you should try to learn this HATE BREEDS HATE.
if you dont hate, you wont have hatred felt toward you.

It is very sad this hate and bias against Muslims, this will only generate more hate and bias against non muslims in muslim lands. :(
Bad Karma my friend. Muslims haves broken the Golden Rule and must pay the price. Thus the oppressed are not the good guys but the oppressors in waiting. Try increasing the oppression for non-muslims in muslim lands youll see an increase in repayment in our lands. You wont like the results for we non-muslims rule the world! HAR HAR HAR! :D




* Golden Rule: "dont do unto others what you dont want others to do unto you".

Bad Karma my friend. Muslims haves broken the Golden Rule and must pay the price. Thus the oppressed are not the good guys but the oppressors in waiting. Try increasing the oppression for non-muslims in muslim lands youll see an increase in repayment in our lands. You wont like the results for we non-muslims rule the world! HAR HAR HAR! :D
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You are joking about that last part right? You are aware that one of the main problems that the fundamentalists have with the West is that the West thinks it rules the world.. right?

You are joking about that last part right?


About non-muslims ruling the world? No Im not joking. Non-muslims are more than 3/4 of the world's population and we non-muslims are considerably richer and more powerful than the average muslim. So I think we are more in control of the world than the Ummah.


You are aware that one of the main problems that the fundamentalists have with the West is that the West thinks it rules the world.. right?
The great majority of muslims are fundamentalist. Non-muslims are not restricted to "the West". We are also in the North, the South, and the East. We even have a strong pressence in Middle Earth - Israel. HAR HAR HAR!

The hoplessly divided Ummah are sandwiched between us. They are rebellious by nature but can still feel our pressure. Sooner or later they would have to live by our rules as did Turkey and as does Egypt. :m:

About non-muslims ruling the world? No Im not joking. Non-muslims are more than 2/3 of the world's population and we non-muslims are considerably richer and more powerful than the average muslim. So I think we are more in control of the world than the Ummah.

About as well as we're in control of Iraq huh? :rolleyes:

The hoplessly divided Ummah are sandwiched between us. They are rebellious by nature but can still feel our pressure. Sooner or later they would have to live by our rules as did Turkey and as does Egypt.
I don't think it's pressure they are feeling NO. I think it's more an invasion and a destruction of their society and the robbing of their oil and their forced assimilation. Can you blame them for rebelling against this though? Not that I agree with the methods employed by the fundamentalists such as OBL and his ilk, but when you think about it deep down, do you really blame them for hating us? I hate 'us' when I see what we are capable of while daring to point the finger at others. I watch the news and see the stories of what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank. I watched one part where a man was running down the street, screaming in horror, with his child in his arms covered in blood after the Isreali army shelled them while protesting and I thought to myself, that if that was my child, I'd probably want revenge and when you are desperate enough, strapping a bomb to your body and blowing up as many of the people who killed your child is not a bad thought. Believe me, I'm not advocating suicide bombings, but I can also understand why some may feel so desperate to resort to such a horror.

We can't expect to force others to live by our rules when we ourselves cannot follow those rules (ie the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the bombing of innocent civilians.. ie the wedding is one of the latest examples). Who are we to force them to live as we do? Imagine if someone knocked on your door holding a gun and told you that you had to do as they told you at all times. You'd rebel as well wouldn't you? I know I sure as hell would. You say that they would have to live by our rules? What rules are they? And I can assure you, we break the rules that we demand others live by. There are no rules. If you're going to say the Golden Rule, then we've broken that as well. On many occasions. So who are we to enforce such rules upon anyone else when we ourselves are unable to live by them? To my horror and believe me I can't believe I'm about to say this... but as PM used to say:eek: (hey at least it's not in caps lol) ... it's hypocrisy to demand that 'they' live by our rules, since as I pointed out above, we cannot follow those rules ourselves.

humm some one really need to look at the big picture... 1000 cases of harrasment thats up from 300 of the last year.... 1000 cases hummm out of a population of 240million atleast..... lets see here thats a 1 in 240,000 people shoot you got a better chance of getting hit by a bus load of nuns going 80 miles per hour with nothing on but there little black hats...

I don't think it's pressure they are feeling NO. I think it's more an invasion and a destruction of their society and the robbing of their oil and their forced assimilation. Can you blame them for rebelling against this though?

Does any of that have anything to do with the muslim rebels of India (mid 1900s), Philippines, Thailand, China & Russia? And the internal civilwars of many Islamic states, even those that predate the need for oil.


We can't expect to force others to live by our rules when we ourselves cannot follow those rules (ie the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the bombing of innocent civilians.. ie the wedding is one of the latest examples). Who are we to force them to live as we do?

We are not actually forcing them. Nay we did not actually force Turkey & Egypt. We just show them how we enjoy our lives and they force themselves to rebel against the outdated Islamic laws. Thats indirect pressure. :D


As far as I know the only direct force has been applied to Iraq. Thanks to Saddam who opened this opportunity. If the iraqis dont want liberty then they can always go back to their old way. Like what Iranians did. They trashed civil liberty for the draconian Islamic way of life.

Does any of that have anything to do with the muslim rebels of India (mid 1900s), Philippines, Thailand, China & Russia? And the internal civilwars of many Islamic states, even those that predate the need for oil.
No, I meant it more in light of current times. But at anytime where you try to force someone to do or become something they don't want to, then you will have conflict.

We are not actually forcing them. Nay we did not actually force Turkey & Egypt. We just show them how we enjoy our lives and they force themselves to rebel against the outdated Islamic laws. Thats indirect pressure.
Have you missed these little fights of late? :p .. Anywho, we're not applying indirect pressure. Look at Iraq for example and tell me that's indirect pressure. If you say yes, then you need to watch the news more :p. But seriously though, the indirect pressure that you say we apply has direct repercussions on the people of those countries. As an example, the women in Turkey are having to fight to be allowed to wear the hijab. By removing such rights, we only breed mistrust and discontent. If they don't wish to live as the West does, then who are we to force them?

No, I meant it more in light of current times. But at anytime where you try to force someone to do or become something they don't want to, then you will have conflict.

Except for India the rest of those items are "current times". Just evidences that muslims are rebellious thanks to their religious views.


Have you missed these little fights of late? :p .. Anywho, we're not applying indirect pressure. Look at Iraq for example and tell me that's indirect pressure. If you say yes, then you need to watch the news more :p. But seriously though, the indirect pressure that you say we apply has direct repercussions on the people of those countries.

You missed what I said about Iraq.


As an example, the women in Turkey are having to fight to be allowed to wear the hijab. By removing such rights, we only breed mistrust and discontent.

Dont blame non-muslims for what the muslim leaders in turkey are doing to their people.


If they don't wish to live as the West does, then who are we to force them?
And can we not help those muslims who want to have the same freedoms we are enjoying?....

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Newsweek/Photos/mag/031222_Issue/031213_IraqiVice_wide.hmedium.jpg

Ok Doc, just a quick reply before I get my old decrepid body to bed.

I'm sorry I missed your point about Iraq. But as for the other current issues that you mentioned. Any time you try to force a group or individual to do something that they don't want to do, then rebellion will follow. It's not just Muslims in India who are fighting or rebelling. Christians and Hindus are also doing the exact same thing. As is the problem in many provinces in Indonesia. When you see a village full of Christian fundamentalists running down to the next Muslim village with knives and machetes, you can't blame Islam or Muslims. You blame the whole system for trying to push people to doing something they don't want to do. Over simplification I know, but I'm tired and it's been a long and bad day and tomorrow wont be much better.. so forgive me for being vague about this. Forced conversions will always result in violence against the converter. I mean sheesh... look at history as an example. But in current times, those pressures to 'be like me' (as in the West being me) will always result in many just saying bugger off we're not interested.

Dont blame non-muslims for what the muslim leaders in turkey are doing to their people.
No I actually blame the indirect pressure you mentioned before. Indirect pressure on the Turkish Government to join the European community and later on the EU... therefore try to make Turkey more European. It's those kinds of indirect pressure that we in the West put on others that has the most detrimental effects. And then of course, as with everything... push too much or too hard and it will come and bite you on the arse. Which is exactly what we're seeing now. We did the same in Iran. We interfered with the politics of another State, that was trying to find its own way to democracy. But we tried to speed it along and we put in our own favoured leader. And look at the result. The Iranians resented the interference and as a result, they went in the complete opposite direction.

And can we not help those muslims who want to have the same freedoms we are enjoying?....
What? You enjoy leering at posters of naked people on public bulletin boards?:confused:

You are lying ! Muslims dont beg , those beggars are romanian gypsies, not muslims, you are excused as you dont know the difference between the two !

The word "gypsy" is derived from the erroneous belief that the Roma were originally from Egypt. Meaning, in other words, you're slandering both the Roma, some of whom are Muslim, BTW, and the Egyptians as well, who are of course, predominantly Muslim. So what are you proud of again?

hey everyone, PM told me to reply to star of eights comment ;)

"i am a proud
-propogandist
-peace lover
-hater of haters
-shield of Islam
-Sword of Islam"

well, thats all that PM told me to say, so cya
:D

Why doesn't PM do it himself? Isn't his three-day ban over yet? Or did he get in such a rage about it that he didn't realize it was only temporary?

If you can prove your ancestory dates back to England before the Norman invasion, you can demand people to leave England, after all, England belongs to the WELSH, not to the Germans !!

I don't have to prove anything. However if you'd really like to get technical, English people do not wear towels around their heads and speak in strange languages. This is how I can tell who is English and who isn't. Those who aren't - and in most cases completely segregate themselves from society - have no say in what this country can or can not do. It's only a matter of time before the bubble bursts - England is now at it's highest asylum declinings, (more and more people are being sent home because we don't want them here), and eventually, (hopefully), it will be extremely hard to be 'taken in'. I mean c'mon.. you have a country like a huge beach, why come here where it's rainy and foggy?


What a load of bullshit, you do realize that we have muslims in the house of common and the house of lords, dont you ?

And women.. would you believe it? Still, England's a country that believes in equality for all.

Also, maybe you need to tell me about the english when they went to India, did they mingle and adopt to the culture there ? HYPOCRITES !

Tell them that.. I wont go to India because... I don't want to. As you've been constantly posting on this forum- you think Muslims are hard done by, so once again I go back to my original statement of "if you don't like it... leave".

You seem to have a real problem understanding that.

You are lying !

Fraid not. Want me to take photo's and do interviews?

Muslims dont beg

They do here.

those beggars are romanian gypsies

Don't try and pass the blame onto the Romanians.

not muslims, you are excused as you dont know the difference between the two !

Nonsense. Many Romanians are aupairs. I couldn't imagine one Muslim being an aupair- which is a good thing.

Again, you are lying !

Fraid not. While obviously I expect you to defend your people, (which you wouldn't need to if they all stayed in their own country), you simply cannot see the issue because you're not in England.

it is was the MUSLIMS who built Britian after the WW2

Don't be silly.

it is the MUSLIMS who work hard ( 18-19 hour a day )

Yeah which causes a complete breakdown of wage systems. You see, foreign people who come here and have little money, need to accept any work they can find - and usually working massive shifts. What this means is companies prefer to employ unskilled foreigners because it's "cheap labour", thus lowering the wage status nationwide. For instance look at Royal Mail, (British postal service), which is now like 75% French African. It's also the reason royal mail is struggling as much as it is- but the companies prefer cheap labour and the rest of us suffer.

while the fat english is down the PUP pissing on his peers.

I've never seen a Muslim down the pub :D I told you, they need to integrate themselves a bit better. No, "muslims don't drink" isn't a good enough exuse. My wife doesn't drink either but she still comes to the pub. And "fat" isn't an insult usually reserved for British people. You're thinking of Americans.

Stop lying !! most people in the UK know that the muslims are hard working people, one man from manchester told me that before the pakistanis came, you cant get petrol for your car if it was weekend, you have to wait for monday, but since the muslims came, you can fill WHENEVR you want no matter what !

Sorry man, this has gone straight in the garbage disposal. What are you talking about? lol.

And that will be in their own nations

Right.. Which is what I said.. why are they here when they might aswell be in their own country?

racism will be eliminated sooner or later

Wont ever happen.

after all, YOU NEED US more than we need you:

Nobody here needs you.... or wants you.

And "fat" isn't an insult usually reserved for British people. You're thinking of Americans.

Really?

The United States and the UK both have obesity rates at about nineteen, twenty percent.

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/prev_char.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/obesity/index.shtml

And, in the news of the pathetic, a three year old having a heart attack: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3752597.stm

Yeah, StarofEight, I was going to break the news to SnakeLord that the US and UK both tend towards the hefty. I guess it's all of that feeding of our populaces that we have going on. Well, as two of the countries with the most going for them, if someone from Syria wants to stake his claim to being thin, I guess the British and English will just have to settle for literacy, democracy, civil rights, education and a robust economic engine.

Oops! I meant British and American. Apparently I can't type and talk to a six year old at the same time!

Well Star of Eight/Paula, if you had have bothered reading my post, you'd see I didn't say there aren't any fat English people, but what I said is that the "fat" insult is usually reserved for Americans.

What I was referring to was general "stereotype insults". When it comes down to the British, the insults usually focus on teeth and cups of tea. When making general and sweeping insults towards Americans, it usually focuses on weight issues.

Apologies for the confusion..

Just as an added note, I have in no way intended to state Americans are all fat fudgers, nor have I tried to claim English people are any different. I'm sure we're all fat fudgers, (which would be normal in a vibrant, food plenty western country with more to eat than anorexic buffalo and sand scorpions). I was merely stating, (as explained above), that with stereotypical insults, "fat" is directed towards Americans whilst "rotten teeth" is directed towards the Brits. If Loud_Muslim wants to insult my teeth, he is more than welcome. :D

Ah, I see. Okay, so the British have bad teeth, and the Irish are all drunks ... what about the Scotch and the Welsh?

The scots are big people that wear skirts and no underwear and toss big trees, and the welsh like their sheep.....

I guess the British and English will just have to settle for literacy, democracy, civil rights, education and a robust economic engine.

Syria is a republic, but has several parties that are pro-democracy. It's important to understand that Syria has been hit hard by several factors. When Syria gained independance from France in 1946, they were not armed nor politically ready for the Arab-Israeli War and occupation of the Israelites in the Golan Heights region which was Syrian territory. There are occasional peace talks now, but for the most part Israel refuses to return the Golan Heights to Syria.

Their literacy rate is 76.9% which is higher than the majority of the middle east, and they are mostly under Islamic and martial law. That does not mean that there is no civil rights. The nation of Islam, in fact were the first to recognize womens rights some 1400 years ago. According to Islamic Law, women have the right to own property, run and control businesses and they also receive equal pay for equal work. Women are also allowed to control all their financial assets. Contrary to popular believe, muslim women cannot be married against their will and they are allowed to keep their own name when married. The do indeed have the right to own and inherit property according to the same laws as men and are granted the right to have their marriage dissolved in cases of neglect or mistreatment.

People often mistake the way the Taliban in Afghanistan treated women as Islamic law, when it is simply not the case. Islamic women are also not forced to wear the long veil that covers all of their body. It is suggested that they wear the head scarf, or hajib to keep their modest. It is more for safety in the modern world and was never meant to control women like the veil was intended to do.

As for their economic status, Syria's economy has been growing more slowly than its population growth rate. This is causing a steady decline in their GDP. Recently, there has been laws passed that would allow private banks to operate within the Syrian borders. It is slow moving, because it requires a lot of government help to get on it's feet and to set the regulations. Syria's slowly declining economy also has several other factors to consider; It's youth, sactions due to the international war on terrorism, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the war between the U.S. allies and Iraq. It is still a growing nation, even younger than the United States and a lot of what was the Western block of Russia before it's downfall. You will find, if you bother to look that Syria is doing better than most countries who are as young as it is.

The scots are big people that wear skirts and no underwear and toss big trees, and the welsh like their sheep.....

The Highland Games are retarded/hilarious.

Ah, I see. Okay, so the British have bad teeth, and the Irish are all drunks ... what about the Scotch and the Welsh?

you drink scotch i've never tried to drink a welsh.
the scots are tight with the pennys ( a little joke for you .this scot dropped a penny of a cliff he got down there so fast it hit him on the head ) and the welsh singers.

Heh ... there's a bargain chain in Denver called McFrugals.

"the welsh like their sheep"

dont you steal our insults for the New Zealanders, otherwise we'll have to think of something else to say about NZers. *shakes fist menacingly*

The Welsh have (presumably) been goin' after mutton since before there were Kiwis and sheep in New Zealand. Whether the natives were hammering away on the indigenous livestock, I don't know.

Also, Wyoming's known to have a taste for hot mutton-on-mutton action.

the welsh can have the mutton on mutton, nz's prefer man on mutton anyway :P

Bias Against Muslims Up 70%
Radio Talk Shows, Iraq War Among Reasons, Study Finds

By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 3, 2004; Page A12

Muslims in the United States experienced more than 1,000 incidents of alleged harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment in 2003, a jump of 70 percent over the previous year, according to a report to be released today by a major Islamic advocacy group.

The report by the Council on American-Islamic Relations attributed the increase to such factors as Muslim-bashing on radio talk shows and tensions surrounding the war in Iraq.

The group said it received 1,019 complaints from Muslims last year concerning discriminatory or violent actions, up from 602 the year before. The biggest number of incidents had to do with employment and the refusal to accommodate religious practices. But there were 93 reported hate crimes, more than double the total in 2002. And there were numerous cases in which Muslims alleged that laws were applied to them more harshly because of their ethnic or religious identity.

"We are definitely facing an uphill battle in the struggle for civil rights in this country, especially with regard to the American Muslim community," said Mohamed Nimer, the author of the report, "Unpatriotic Acts."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61488-2004May2.html


Alleged reports filed with the Council on American-Islamic Relations. No similar spikes were recorded by either the Department of Labor, which oversees complaints of religious harassment within the workplace, nor the FBI, which coallates the national statistics on reported crimes.

Moreover, the Washington Post article bears the headline "Radio talk shows,..., to blame, study finds" despite the fact that there was no study whatsoever on the subject. Rather, the CAIR made a claim, based solely on conjecture, to support its alleged recordings of increased bias.

How about this, "Bias in the Media up 70%. Liberal newspapers to blame, study finds."

So this would be the ultimate ethnic stereotype of the UK?

A Scottish guy refuses to loan a Welsh guy a couple pounds. The Welsh guy takes his frustation out on a sheep. An Irish guy oversees this, and's so disgusted he has to whiskey aways his pain. He gets well past half-cut, and vomits. An English guy then uses that as toothpaste.

Muslims in the United States experienced more than 1,000 incidents of alleged harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment in 2003, a jump of 70 percent over the previous year, according to a report to be released today by a major Islamic advocacy group.

Compared with, for example, the concentration camps that Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians were shipped to during World War II, perhaps you should feel pretty lucky that the "harrassment" is casual and hasn't yet become institutionalized. These were people who had as little to do with the Japanese war effort as your average muslim has to do with terrorism (that is, nothing).

Villification of the enemy in wartime is a natural thing - don't blame the people doing it, blame the institution of war.

So by that logic, the Jews, Roma, and other assorted victims of the Holocaust shouldn't complain since Stalin's purges and gulags claimed more victims?

star, the holocaust killed millions
the gulags killed many millions
what PM is whining about is totally insignificant compared to either of those

Alain, the Holocaust killed millions
The gulags killed many millions
What Martin Luther King was whining about is totally insignificant compared to either of those.

(No, I'm not comparing no one's favorite dogmatic idiot to MLK. Nor am I comparing the rise in discrimination against Muslims to that suffered by blacks. But ... saying that something supremely shitty has happened doesn't justify something moderately shitty, or even minorly shitty.)

I don't recall asserting that PM's complaints were unjustified, nor would I ever do so. I am simply pointing out that this sort of thing is par for the course and is not unique to the war we're in now.

I think, as has been demonstrated here, that bias against certain people/countries is a normal everyday activity. There are those who may take it a step too far and get phyiscal, but in general the insulting of people who are not from the same culture as you, is commonplace.

In saying this, Loud_Muslims post could have been written by just about anyone, from just about any country. Of course, most just sit back and don't let it affect them, or if it does affect them they wouldn't resort to making unsupported forum posts, and the press wouldn't start making unsupported news articles about it.

Of course some things will be reported on - for instance the happy, smiley faced burning of American and English flags done by Iraqi people. The report didn't go on long, and we got over it. Now could you imagine PM's reaction if I went on TV burning an Iraqi flag or his countries flag? I get the feeling we'd be faced with a "Hate crimes against muslims up 100%" post.

You should really learn to take things with a pinch of salt. You also need to be aware that there will always be people who don't like you.. Hell, I don't even know you but I don't like you. Statistically speaking, hate crimes against white englishmen have also gone up - but we don't take it personally, we just get on with our lives.

And once again... If you're an immigrant and you find things are really that bad, then the simple solution would surely be to go back to your own country? You can't make a completely different culture like you.

If you're an immigrant, the country you immigrated to is your own country.

I don't recall asserting that PM's complaints were unjustified, nor would I ever do so. I am simply pointing out that this sort of thing is par for the course and is not unique to the war we're in now.

Brutality against prisoners of war is par for the course, so why's anyone complaining about what happened to Nick Berg?

So this would be the ultimate ethnic stereotype of the UK?

A Scottish guy refuses to loan a Welsh guy a couple pounds. The Welsh guy takes his frustation out on a sheep. An Irish guy oversees this, and's so disgusted he has to whiskey aways his pain. He gets well past half-cut, and vomits. An English guy then uses that as toothpaste.

Yep - the British are able to take the piss out of each other. There are countless jokes about the Irish Welsh Scottish and the English, we have the characteristic of being able to mock each other, and we can laugh at each other. Its part of being British, but you dare take the piss out of a Paki and you are committing a criminal offence.
The UK has been multicutural for over a thousand years, but over the last fifty years we have the do-gooders and the politically correct job creators telling us that we need to be multicultural and to open the floodgates and let millions of immigrants in. Its a load of bollox - the British public have been hoodwinked into risking the loss of the British identity and our heritage.
Our grandparents didn't risk their lives just to provide a safe haven and goverment handouts for millions of immigrants, with hindsight we probably have been better off joining Hitler, and the European Union would have come sixty years earlier too. We have a leader who is a poodle for the USA, but his postion is to come to an end very soon. The illegal war on Iraq is his downfall, along with the mismanagement of illegal and legal immigrants to these shores. We have one quarter of the population of America here on these islands - it's overcrowded as it is - we can't take any more.

Yep - the British are able to take the piss out of each other. There are countless jokes about the Irish Welsh Scottish and the English, we have the characteristic of being able to mock each other, and we can laugh at each other. Its part of being British, but you dare take the piss out of a Paki and you are committing a criminal offence.
Exactly, he posted those stereotypes and nobody took a second glance at it, if it had been to do with anyone else there'd be an angry mob on the way round to his place, but maybe thats something people can learn from the brits?
Vienna's right we dont need huge ammounts of immigrants, legal or otherwise, we'd be better off training and looking after the people we have in this country that should be here, if we need any immigrants to fill jobs they should be the low paid jobs nobody here wants.

if we need any immigrants to fill jobs they should be the low paid jobs nobody here wants.

That happened in the fifties and sixties - the immigrants were invited by the government to come and take the low paid jobs. And they did by the thousands, and that started the flood. These days the government has wrecked the fair pay for a hard days work by introducing the minimum wage, and thousands of companies have jumped on the bandwagon making it almost impossible to find a job with decent pay. They have even exported British jobs such as call centers to India and Pakistan.

Exactly, he posted those stereotypes and nobody took a second glance at it, if it had been to do with anyone else there'd be an angry mob on the way round to his place, but maybe thats something people can learn from the brits?

True, but with the exception of the Irish in America, I can't think of people from the U.K. ever being victims of discrimination. Oh, and Zimbabwe, or whatever ... the African shithole, to be redunandant, that's dispossessing the white, predominantly farmers of their land.

The US is not just exporting call center jobs, it is now exporting well-paying jobs such as IT, engineering, programming, accounting and even some payroll and human resource functios. The scary thing is that many of these jobs are highly sensitive and confidential yet we are exporting them to countries that don't have the same privacy laws or enforcement as we do. For instance, one firm where I worked had to change our outsourced billing company in India because an employee threatened to sell our customers' personal information to identity thieves if he didn't get a promotion. There was very little the company could do legally against the employee.

The various free trade agreements that everyone loves so much has made companies more powerful than governments and it is causing untold financial, environmental and cultural damage not only in the Third World but in the developed world as well.

The US is not just exporting call center jobs, it is now exporting well-paying jobs such as IT, engineering, programming, accounting and even some payroll and human resource functios. The scary thing is that many of these jobs are highly sensitive and confidential yet we are exporting them to countries that don't have the same privacy laws or enforcement as we do. For instance, one firm where I worked had to change our outsourced billing company in India because an employee threatened to sell our customers' personal information to identity thieves if he didn't get a promotion. There was very little the company could do legally against the employee.

The various free trade agreements that everyone loves so much has made companies more powerful than governments and it is causing untold financial, environmental and cultural damage not only in the Third World but in the developed world as well.

I agree with you Paula, the UK is exporting jobs just like USA and it's not beneficial for anyone apart from the capitalist fatcats and the governments. It is corruption.

Dell and Microsoft are pulling their customer service divisions back to the United States. I am under the impression that more companies will be doing the same, considering the issues companies are having with privacy and identity theft.

They have even exported British jobs such as call centers to India and Pakistan.
Cheap labour, wages in britain cant increase as its already cheaper to go elsewhere, perhaps its time things became cheaper as the more expensive things get the higher wages need to be or we will all be poor, and if wages increase it will destroy our industry, they have been moving abroad for years already, take the iron industry in wales, everything became cheaper to be made abroad so we exported the raw materials for a while, then that became to expensive so the whole industry shut down and has moved abroad.

Cheap labour, wages in britain cant increase as its already cheaper to go elsewhere, perhaps its time things became cheaper as the more expensive things get the higher wages need to be or we will all be poor, and if wages increase it will destroy our industry, they have been moving abroad for years already, take the iron industry in wales, everything became cheaper to be made abroad so we exported the raw materials for a while, then that became to expensive so the whole industry shut down and has moved abroad.

LOL yeah - and the labour government still insists that we need immigrants for employment here, but fail to admit there are no vacancies here apart from the odd cleaning job. Hell - most of the immigrants can't even speak English.

So we employ 'em over THERE - and house 'em over HERE - well done Labour!

Problem is, this place has turned into a bunch of weak people. What started off as politcally correct, anti-racial behaviour has turned itself around and now points directly at the Englishman.

As an example, I'll point out a recent advert in the local newspaper:

"Jobs fair for ethnic minorities".

Just to prove a point, I was planning to put my own ad in the paper saying:

"jobs fair for white people".

How long do you think it would take before I'm arrested or dead?

We could also look at something like the MOBO awards, (music of black origin)..

I can guarantee you, you'll never see a MOWO award ceremony, and if someone even tried, they'd be crucified.

The country is slowly being given away, and while we're being cornered by all the "racial equality", they get a free ride.

And so it continues, with the politcal aspect screaming "equality", while burying its own people in the dirt. The jobs go, the housing goes, the money goes - it's only a matter of time before we're extinct.

Word has it they've even banned the nursery rhyme "baa baa black sheep" from being printed in kids books.

And tell me who wouldn't be tempted? Some guy living in a mudhut in some country with the opportunity for a life of free handouts over here.. of course he'd take it. What is happening now is many businesses and individuals are buggering off elsewhere. France/Spain etc is now becoming a home to the Englishman who realises his country has gone down the shitter.

I don't know if any of you have heard of the Pied Piper of Hamlin, but us English folk are the rats.

Its true, and we dont have a political party with the right stance, the BNP have the right idea but take it too far and to the point of racism and wishing to remove anyone who isnt white, genuine people who work and have been here a few years deserve to stay, the ones on handouts should be removed from the country.
As for equality it should be just that, the best person gets the job regardless of race, if that means more white people are employed because we've been here longer gone through the education system etc so are better qualified then so be it, if more ethnic people become employed then good they can start paying tax and forget handouts and free healthcare etc.
Simple rule, you should have been born in this country/lived in it for a certain amount of time to recieve its benefits, that way you get what you pay for, instead of them getting what we pay for.

Yeah and bring back consciption too - two years national service will be enough for anyone who doesn't want to British to leave the country.

I can just see all those Muslims who say they are British just queing up to join up - NOT!

lol im sure they'd refuse on religious grounds or something, then again if christians can fight in the army despite being all peace and love then why cant muslims? Perhaps conscription for anyone that tries to enter the country would be a good deterant.

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Proud Muslim is no longer around (may he rest in pieces). There is nothing wrong with Islam, it's just that they have become more fundamentalist, and turned away from a long tradition of ijtihad, or independant reasoning in religious law.

Proud Muslim is no longer around
Dont be so sure of that, he could always be using another name, in fact i thought i saw him the other day, same poor sentence structure and punctuation, similar arguements, though he seems to have mellowed slightly, of course there could just be someone else like him.

Muslims always whine like victims .

dont native americans do they same on the "reservations"? same in canada.
same for mexicans in the south (but they dont whine as much).

you guys got jipped out of your land. your people were massacared and in return they scatter the tribes and give them little plots of land here and there. furthermore, they do not teach NA how to fish, but hand them the fish. i actually believed that NA were wronged, but listening to you it seems you got a better deal than your brothers.

the difference between NA and muslims, is that NA were the original residents of north america and have more right to the land than anyone. the first muslims were immigrants. born american muslims have just the same rights as the bigots in washington. it is the law!

if they change the law, then of course, the discussion would be different.

besides, the whole point of america is it being a melting pot, until they change that ideaology, everyone has a right to immigrate.

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Typical ignorant - intolerant comment from [deleted].

Proud Muslim is no longer around (may he rest in pieces).
What happend to him?

If Muslims Are Hated Around The World They Only Have Themselves To Blame
If They Started To Criticise Muslim Terroists Instead Of Saying They Are Fighting A Holy Jihaad Or A Just Cause.

They Would Not Be Despised In The West As Crazies, If They Started Acting As Individuals And Not Some Giant Cult Or Giant One Cell Amoeba

There Is No Justification For Any Terroist Acts Fullstop
They Do Absolutley Nothing To Further There Cause It Only Weakens There Cause

If They Started To Criticise Muslim Terroists Instead Of Saying They Are Fighting A Holy Jihaad Or A Just Cause.

Many Muslims have spoken out against terrorism.

"Many Muslims have spoken out against terrorism. "

YES THEY HAVE JAMES
BUT YOU WILL NOTICE
1. FIRST THEY WILL SAY I DONT AGREE WITH TERROISM
2.THEN THEY WILL SAY BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT
ESPECIALLY WHEN I SEE FELLOW MUSLIMS SUFFERING IN PALASTINE

SO THERE SECOND STATEMENT ALWAYS RULES OUT THERE FIRST REPLY

TERROISM WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED AGAIN ANYWHERE CIVILISED
SINCE THE HORROR OF SEPT11
THE SICKEST THING I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
EVEN THE IRA NO THE GAME IS UP ON TERROISTS
WHEN ARE MUSLIMS GOING TO LEARN TO TALK NOT BOMB