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coberst
03-22-08, 10:50 AM
Beyond Alienation

When I speak of alienation I am speaking about wo/man’s alienation from his or her nature. I am speaking of the fragmentation of the individual. I am speaking of the fact that part of what we are is being defiled and rejected by the manner in which we live in our society.

A general theory of alienation would be a body of knowledge about how human freedom and responsible choice is constricted. Evil is that which makes it impossible for sapiens to realizing their potential; this knowledge would be an expression of what are responsible human powers and how society limits the expression of those powers.

Emerson, considered by many as the top moralist in American history, understood these facts when he stated the important challenge to all wo/men to be self-reliance. He felt that self-reliance was the “keynote of American democracy”. Whatever should limit human self-reliance works against the nature of wo/man. The great challenge to education was to develop a comprehensive theory of the limitations of self-reliance and to teach this to all Americans.

To achieve such a goal demanded that science comprehend what all humans strive for. Emerson was convinced that sapiens strived after meaning and the creation of meaning. The crux of self-reliance then was how to advance the self-creation of human meaning.
Our habit of seeking accustomed satisfactions prevents us from finding new sources of energy with which to see or create new meanings. Blind habit controls our every turn. Familiar modes of thought and accustomed perceptions lock our imagination and will into a strait jacket of passivity.

What tool is available to break this passive mold of inaction and apathy? It is playful imagination that can lead us from the jailhouse we have trapped our self within. We need to remind our self of Plato’s wise expression that the gods are happiest when man plays. This playful attitude applies both to our sciences as well as our arts. It applies to all of wo/man’s symbolic activities.

Physicists found the world inside the atom to be non-intuitive. The world inside the atom seemed to be totally different from our world. Heisenberg’s principle of indeterminacy was about an alien world. If, however, we were able to climb into the atomic world it is quite possible that the principle of indeterminacy would be ‘just doing what comes naturally’.

Some of history’s great thinkers have penetrated into the human mind long before Freud. Rousseau, for example, comprehended an aspect of “unconscious motivation”. “The moral of this anecdote is that the honest man can see through himself even quicker than the honest scientist can see through nature.”

We could have comprehended the science of the human condition much sooner than we did and the reason we did not is because of the “intolerance of method, the claims to exclusivity, the doctrine of a single valid approach to the study of man…The place where this took its greatest toll was in the fragmentation of the disciplines, the isolation of the various approaches to man. But undoubtedly the most harmful intolerance of all was the intolerance of philosophy in the science of man.”

In the reaction to various philosophical speculations, the scientific community in the mid-nineteenth century shouted ‘no more speculations were needed about the nature of man’. The scientific community followed by the population in general decided that it was only important to discover what was going on within the organism. Psychiatry became uncompromisingly organismic. Science failed to see that its methods were narrowing significantly humanities real striving.

Pragmatism at the end of the nineteenth century was a response to this narrow scientific approach toward the “science of man”. It became obvious that we must understand what wo/man is striving for, “as a part of nature, as a dimension of life”.

Rousseau taught us that humans wanted meaning and maximum conviction but a major question that the scientific method could not resolve “What was behind all of man’s peculiar urges, what he was trying to do as a vehicle of the life force? For only if we could understand this abstract problem could we answer the greatest practical puzzle of all: What were the possibilities of life on the level of human existence; and, conversely, what was there about the human condition that was hopeless?”

What are the limitations and possibilities for human life? Is it possible for humans to live in harmony or is war a necessary component of human activity?

Ideas and quotes from “Beyond Alienation” by Ernest Becker

pharaohmoan
03-24-08, 07:59 AM
Beyond Alienation

When I speak of alienation I am speaking about wo/man’s alienation from his or her nature. I am speaking of the fragmentation of the individual. I am speaking of the fact that part of what we are is being defiled and rejected by the manner in which we live in our society.

Very true words and I have worked much of my life to displace normal socialogical imprints upon the mind which has taken great effort.
The result of these efforts seems to be a comunication with many streams of consciousness and an interaction between mind and matter. Also time takes on a different perspective and loses its grip on the 'moment'.


A general theory of alienation would be a body of knowledge about how human freedom and responsible choice is constricted. Evil is that which makes it impossible for sapiens to realizing their potential; this knowledge would be an expression of what are responsible human powers and how society limits the expression of those powers.
10 years ago and you would have been acused of being a paranoid mad man. Today however it makes much more sense. The question is if the prevention of realising our potential is being restricted by those in power (eg an illuminati scenario) or is a blind motion. In other words is society a train that is not being steered leading to the natural outcome of greed which seems to be a distructive force in this world. This scenario of capitalism ie an unsteered monster is what I call the 'ghost in the machine'.


Our habit of seeking accustomed satisfactions prevents us from finding new sources of energy with which to see or create new meanings. Blind habit controls our every turn. Familiar modes of thought and accustomed perceptions lock our imagination and will into a strait jacket of passivity.
Again you've hit the nail on the head. Imagine what we might uncover if as a species we were to better understand this ability to work with new energy.
I've tried it and it works and the message I get back is that humans are so far up their own arse that they are blind to what is really out there. As soon as I doubt the moment the moment dissapears (worth remembering).


What tool is available to break this passive mold of inaction and apathy? It is playful imagination that can lead us from the jailhouse we have trapped our self within. We need to remind our self of Plato’s wise expression that the gods are happiest when man plays. This playful attitude applies both to our sciences as well as our arts. It applies to all of wo/man’s symbolic activities.


Wise words from Plato. I wonder if they were closer to evolving (mentally and spiritually) then we are today?


Physicists found the world inside the atom to be non-intuitive. The world inside the atom seemed to be totally different from our world. Heisenberg’s principle of indeterminacy was about an alien world. If, however, we were able to climb into the atomic world it is quite possible that the principle of indeterminacy would be ‘just doing what comes naturally’.

I don't know a great deal about quatum physics but there are imbedded natural reactions that I exibit at times that are inherantly natural and bring about a common response of 'oh yes I resonate with this' as though an old friend or energy has called upon me.


Pragmatism at the end of the nineteenth century was a response to this narrow scientific approach toward the “science of man”. It became obvious that we must understand what wo/man is striving for, “as a part of nature, as a dimension of life”.

I know it should be a daily occurance for all. I think about evolving every day yet there are probably less than 1% of the poulation that actively think and understand what they are striving towards. Where are the goals in life? Why do our leaders fail to point us in the right direction? Why do our schools not teach us this basic fundamental line of thought?


Rousseau taught us that humans wanted meaning and maximum conviction but a major question that the scientific method could not resolve “What was behind all of man’s peculiar urges, what he was trying to do as a vehicle of the life force? For only if we could understand this abstract problem could we answer the greatest practical puzzle of all: What were the possibilities of life on the level of human existence; and, conversely, what was there about the human condition that was hopeless?”

The problem is you have the individual who's whims are largely influenced by the collective so for the individual to progress they normally have to fight against the flow of thought and actions and conditioning of the masses. As for the masses imo they are generally like sheep and if left unguided will resort to the lowest common emotional denominators, ie greed, lust, power, survival, comfort etc.
The human condition seems to be hopeless because no leaders have stepped forward, put their neck on the line and set us new guidelines for changing our mindset.


What are the limitations and possibilities for human life? Is it possible for humans to live in harmony or is war a necessary component of human activity?[/b]
Unfortunatly war is normally a result of being one of the few avenues of power available to a president/prime minister. So in order to 'make a name' for themselves (an ego issue) they will declare war on a unsuspecting country and make them out to be the bad guys.

coberst
03-24-08, 01:23 PM
We are meaning creating creatures. We have created the culture that is now well on the way to destroying our species and perhaps even the planet and all species. We could do much better if we had the will to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby become sufficiently sophisticated so that we could comprehend our problem and thus begin a process of solution.

draqon
03-24-08, 01:25 PM
I am speaking of the fact that part of what we are is being defiled and rejected by the manner in which we live in our society.


We are rejecting ourselves, not the society.

pharaohmoan
03-25-08, 05:36 AM
We are meaning creating creatures. We have created the culture that is now well on the way to destroying our species and perhaps even the planet and all species. We could do much better if we had the will to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby become sufficiently sophisticated so that we could comprehend our problem and thus begin a process of solution.

Perhaps this is actually the way forward, lets face it talk about this subject to most and you'd most likely get a strange response. I think 99% of society is just conserned with surviving as best as possibly. So I agree individual self realisation is probably the best avenue to take. Any ideas on what this process of solution might look like?

coberst
03-25-08, 02:52 PM
Perhaps this is actually the way forward, lets face it talk about this subject to most and you'd most likely get a strange response. I think 99% of society is just conserned with surviving as best as possibly. So I agree individual self realisation is probably the best avenue to take. Any ideas on what this process of solution might look like?

The only thing I am confident of is that someting like 0.1% of the adult population must start the movement toward self-learning if that should happen then some kind of intellectual process decided by the group might begin.