http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=409652

This Europe: Berlin considers resurrecting Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov

The idea would have been unthinkable only two years ago, when Berlin was still governed by Christian Democrats with a deep antipathy to Communist relics. With the city now in the hands of the Social Democrats and the heirs to the former East German Communist Party, the Party for Democratic Socialism (PDS), Berlin's Communist past has become more fashionable. I don't quite see where they are going with this, but I'm not too surprised. Maybe they should raise a statue of Hitler too.

Originally posted by Jerrek
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=409652

This Europe: Berlin considers resurrecting Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov

I don't quite see where they are going with this, but I'm not too surprised. Maybe they should raise a statue of Hitler too.

They could ask the Raelians to clone the both of them and have them fight on FOX's Celebrity Boxing.

what´s wrong with lenin ???
uh-oh................

Originally posted by WasiGermany
what´s wrong with lenin ???
uh-oh................ You have issues.

what's wrong with lenin Jerrek? hitler i can understand, but lenin?

You can't forget the past, you have to live with it. This statue is a part of the german History so there's no reason to hide it. However it could be put in a museum and not in a garden or something like that.
I'm sorry that you can't understand it... but your oldest buildings are only 300 years old and your oldest house is 200 years old (but in NM where spanish did a good job as there are some 400 years old stuffs).

So you wouldn't object to putting up a statue of Hitler right?

In a museum ? Not at all !

You know they are not going to put it up in a museum...

I would put it in a museum and nowhere else but that's their History... That's what is called freedom ;)

I think that putting up a statue to show Lenin is okay. Hitler and Lenin are different, the comparision is utterly ridicoulous. In Italy they put up a statue of Mussolini in the 90's. The East German people for far too long have been looked down upon by the West Germans. Everything E.German was reguarded as useless, their airline, their capital building, their army. The unemployment in E.Germany is pretty bad, and living conditions are worse than in W.Germany. They have statues in front of the Palast der Republik in Berlin of Marx and Engles. E.Germans have to reflect their past as well as the West does. And yes why not put a statue of Hitler with dead corpes around him to remind the German people, and the world?

correct ,nico
even some cities had to change their names ,for example Karl-Marx-Stadt or street names like Leninallee

I think that changing cities names and the what not is ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if E.Germans vote in large numbers for the communist party. I've watched and read quite a bit about E.Germany. The country was a bastion of communism. I think there were 5 million hard core communist members. The problem with E.Germany is that everything they built in E.Germany, has been neglected. East, and Western Germans aren't the same, they have different ideals. The investment in E.Berlin was that, in E.Berlin. The E.Germans have had a rough time at it. I've always wanted to go to Berlin to visit the E.German buildings. But of course like everything else E.German the Palast der Republik is closed and it might even go down in a heap of rubble. Shameful. I think a building that has brought more shame to the German people was the Reichstag yet it is renovated. If anything the German people should be offended by their pre-1945 world.

Originally posted by nico
I think that changing cities names and the what not is ridiculous.

i think so too ; i just wanted to mention it

I wouldn't be surprised if E.Germans vote in large numbers for the communist party.

now you are a bit wrong.
yes ,the PDS(the post-DDR commies) gets more votes in the east ,but they have still no chance for a place in the parliament !(they need 5% of all votes)
they have only in berlin usually their voters ,but even this isn´t much (and only in one half of the city ;) )


The problem with E.Germany is that everything they built in E.Germany, has been neglected.

everything except very few really cool things that w.germans didn´t had

East, and Western Germans aren't the same, they have different ideals.

not at all
we make jokes about them ,they about us....they are no "enemys" ,more like brother and sister
they all want to have enough money ,a nice life and some peace in this world

I've always wanted to go to Berlin to visit the E.German buildings. But of course like everything else E.German the Palast der Republik is closed and it might even go down in a heap of rubble. Shameful.

hmm...shameful maybe ,but it would also be problem to make something else with it...
this building is pure asbestos !


ps :hey nico ,if you are someday in germany ,you have to visit me ;)

now you are a bit wrong.
yes ,the PDS(the post-DDR commies) gets more votes in the east ,but they have still no chance for a place in the parliament !(they need 5% of all votes)
they have only in berlin usually their voters ,but even this isn´t much (and only in one half of the city )

No I am not a expert on German politics but I do know that there are some hard knock communists left in Germany. And is it true that the young in E.Germany are even turning communist? And many E.Germans wished that the wall didn't come down, or that the two didn't re-unify so quickly. I love E.Germany ( no I am not a communist :rolleyes: ) but for some reason I do, and I really want to go.

everything except very few really cool things that w.germans didn´t had

Everything E.Germany had the W.Germans got rid of to cleanse the country of what they considered the wrong side. The only things I can think of is of course the Palast der Republik, Berliner Fernsehturm, Internationales Handelszentrum Berlin, and some Interflug jets still waiting in the winds.

hmm...shameful maybe ,but it would also be problem to make something else with it...
this building is pure asbestos !

That is no excuse in my view the building has very much a important historical significance, it obviously can be fixed. They totally re-did the reichstag (that should be closed down), and that building could serve so many purposes. I mean to see graffti on it, and the emblem taken off, and it's just sad.

ps :hey nico ,if you are someday in germany ,you have to visit me

I don't know if I can trust you after the spookz scandal. And do you live in Berlin?

This is the best East German Site I could find, even a invasion of W.Berlin.

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/riley/787/DDR/

Someone hasn't been through Checkpoint Charlie. :cool: :p

A central leitmotiv in the film is the Lenin monument's removal. The statue is first shown at its East Berlin location standing next to a huge Coca-Cola sign - to demonstrate that the Wall has fallen. Then the giant edifice is uprooted and spirited away by helicopter.

The powerful image, a symbol of the West's wilful destruction of East Germany's identity, has sparked a debate in Berlin over whether to restore it to its former position in what is now called United Nations Square.

This debate can only be a good thing. Lenin's revolution was a failure, but its stated goals were noble and respectable. Dialogue on the USSR tends to focus solely on the outcome, not on its beginings or the real reasons for its failure.

Wolfgang Brauer, the PDS cultural spokesman, has said his party will consider resurrecting the statue, although he has admittedpersonal reservations. "Putting the statue back is worth thinking about," he said, "But it would reflect reality better if it stood next to a Coca-Cola advert, like in the film."
I agree. The contrast would make it meaningful. Putting the statue back up by itself is just silly.