If you ever wondered about the fairness of life, now you got the answer! :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/05/07/scisymmetry107.xml

Beautiful people are not just prettier but they live longer and helthier than YOU. The article doesn't mention it, but they are also more successfull than you.

Just so you know, life isn't far.

"But why? One idea is that the trait is an advert of genetic quality or fertility.

An alternative view is that preferences for a symmetrical face arose from cultural factors and say nothing about health, fecundity and other biological factors.
Now support for the idea that a symmetrical face is indeed a strong advert of mate ‘quality’ is published today in the journal PLoS One by Dr Anthony Little of the University of Stirling and colleagues."

I don't really know. I don't know to many people with narcissistic tendencies.

I am beautiful I will live forever, I will live for Mars.

I am beautiful I will live forever, I will live for Mars.

I hope that you are very, very young!It is going to take at least 30 years to go there with humans.

I hope that you are very, very young!It is going to take at least 30 years to go there with humans.

I am considering cryogenesis

I am considering cryogenesis

:roflmao:

How do you define beauty? I like men with long hair, but not all girls do...

Yeah, I like weird looking blokes. They're beautiful to me. I don't find conventionally good looking blokes do anything for me. A wonky nose, a scar, no left arm, etc., anything to stamp a "I'm not something you can buy on the highstreet" indication on him.

Same here, I quite like when a guy is unusual looking. And yes, scars are very sexy.

I don't have a particular type though. Just as long as he is not ugly, weedy, obese, and is taller than me.

How do you define beauty?

According to the article, it was symmetry...

Oh, you didn't read it...

But just to please you, when 7 out of 10 people find one beautiful, that is the definition. :)

I guess I'm gonna die young :(

I guess I'm gonna die young :(

no one said you were ugly

the internet did.

the internet did.

no one said the internet speaks truth

No one said you die young when you're ugly.
Not being beautiful != being ugly.. :shrug:

Same here, I quite like when a guy is unusual looking. And yes, scars are very sexy.

I don't have a particular type though. Just as long as he is not ugly, weedy, obese, and is taller than me.

I'll take an ugly, weedy short arse with a mind like The Marquis De sade's mixed with Hawking's any day.

Beautiful is different in different societies. So I would say acceptance and rejection are more obvious than beauty.


edit: the article is talking about facial symmetry as a correlate of beauty. So does that mean that symmetry defines beauty?

As the article says, beauty is an indicator of the quality of one's genes, something we've known for a long time. So of course they're going to tend to be healthier, and live longer and be more educated and have higher IQs and be less criminally inclined, and so on and so forth.

It's funny how people stereotype models as being dumb. Actually, I bet in truth, it's the opposite. If you read the biographies of models, you often find that they're very intelligent and speak many languages. Like Monica Bellucci, for example. If you watch her interviews, she's very poetic and well spoken. She speaks like 4 languages too. Natalie Portman, the same thing applies.

Beautiful is different in different societies. So I would say acceptance and rejection are more obvious than beauty.


edit: the article is talking about facial symmetry as a correlate of beauty. So does that mean that symmetry defines beauty?

Symmetry + proportions.

Youthful looks play an important role as well, such as smooth skin etc.

Apparently there's a 6-4-4 ratio of proportions from the top of the forehead to the jawline. The more the face meets with this ratio the more generally accepted the face is as "beautiful".

Does this apply in all things? Do people prefer proportionality as a norm?

Does this apply in all things? Do people prefer proportionality as a norm?

I guess so.

If you ever wondered about the fairness of life, now you got the answer! :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/05/07/scisymmetry107.xml

Beautiful people are not just prettier but they live longer and helthier than YOU. The article doesn't mention it, but they are also more successfull than you.

Just so you know, life isn't far.

"But why? One idea is that the trait is an advert of genetic quality or fertility.

An alternative view is that preferences for a symmetrical face arose from cultural factors and say nothing about health, fecundity and other biological factors.
Now support for the idea that a symmetrical face is indeed a strong advert of mate ‘quality’ is published today in the journal PLoS One by Dr Anthony Little of the University of Stirling and colleagues."


Shouldn't it be that healthier people look more beautiful and live longer?

When people take care of their health, they will likely have good teeth (and
therefore confidence to smile), healthy skin, healthy hair, etc, and therefore
more beautiful? When they take care of their health (avoiding alcohol, smoke,
junk food, maintaining regular sleep), surely they also live longer?

In this way, everyone can be optimistic to be beautiful and live longer,
because health maintenance is something can be achieved by effort and not
just by birth..

It's a geometric preference in nature too apparently.

Shouldn't it be that healthier people look more beautiful and live longer?
That makes more sense.

Uglier people live longer than more uglier people and their unhealthy attitudes are less unhelathy than more uglier people's attitudes

Or people with better genes are healthier and look more beautiful and live longer?

I guess so.

I'm not so sure. Advertising and bombardment with stereotypes does have an effect.

e.g.


Scientists have also found that the body's proportions play an important role in perceptions of beauty as well. In general, men have a preference for women with low waist-to-hip ratios (WHRs), that is, more adipose is deposited on the hips and buttocks than on the waist. Research shows that women with high WHRs (whose bodies are more tube-shaped) are more likely to suffer from health maladies, including infertility and diabetes. However, as is often the case, there are exceptions to the rule.

Psychologists at Newcastle University in England have shown that an indigenous people located in southeast Peru, who have had little contact with the Western world, actually have a preference for high WHRs. These psychologists assert that a general preference for low WHRs is a byproduct of Western culture.

Or people with better genes are healthier and look more beautiful and live longer?

I'd go for that one.

Well, if we're looking at nature then it's definitely the more genetically stronger that have the better coding for reproduction, survival etc.

I'd go for that one.

Whats a "better" gene?

I'm not so sure. Advertising and bombardment with stereotypes does have an effect.

e.g.

Of course, but everywhere you go it's symmetry and proportion that dictation beauty.

Btw, I thought we were talking about faces ?

Whats a "better" gene?

One that allows you to thrive in your environment as opposed to one that doesn't. It's genes btw as in genome..

One that allows you to thrive in your environment as opposed to one that doesn't. It's genes btw as in genome..

Living longer improves your reproductive potential? Whats the difference in reproductive rate for beautiful people you think?

On the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising if there were 'looking good' genes that act to bypass general fitness. This would cause a fluctuation in how relevant looks are to fitness.

Living longer improves your reproductive potential? Whats the difference in reproductive rate for beautiful people you think?

It used to.

You mean within the group :confused:
Or versus not beautiful people ? Obviously not a lot these days.
Are humans the only species walking the earth ???

Or people with better genes are healthier and look more beautiful and live longer?

I just figured they get hired for better jobs and have better insurance. :shrug:

They do that too, or they at least pay less on their insurance.

But which genes are good and which ones are bad? Which genes make a beautiful appearance?

On the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising if there were 'looking good' genes that act to bypass general fitness. This would cause a fluctuation in how relevant looks are to fitness.

Yeah, looking good doesn't always equate to fitness. Most girls/young women see extreme thinness as beautiful and want to look like they haven't eaten for a month.

If our hominid ancestors had thought like that we wouldn't exist.

I read about the whole symmetric face thing too, the book I was reading also said that women who have childish faces are found to be more attractive than hyperfeminized adult faces. The experts couldn't even come up with a reason for that.