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View Full Version : Basic "Stuff"
JerryCT 09-30-06, 05:33 PM Greetings,
At the most fundamental level of reality, the basic "stuff" that makes up all other stuff in the universe/that from which all the stuff in the universe comes from, is the universe one single whole, or is it a collection of separates?
original 09-30-06, 05:55 PM Hi there. Sorry but I don't really understand your question. My reply thus far would be that the universe is a composition of various forms of matter and energy.
JerryCT 09-30-06, 06:29 PM Thank you for replying!
Perhaps a short explanation of where my question comes from will clarify my question. I have been learning about Hinduism and Taoism, and from what I have learned both teach that reality is nondualistic at the most fundamental level.
I want to know if there is a basis for this belief in modern physics. (Which is why I am posting my question here rather than the Eastern Philosophy sub-board.)
TruthSeeker 09-30-06, 07:07 PM Have you already read the Tao of Physics?
JerryCT 09-30-06, 07:16 PM No, I haven't read Tao of Physics. What I have heard about was mostly praise, although I once read a comment stating that the author "knew where the money was". Would you suggest reading it? I have been planning on purchasing it with my next online order of books.
TruthSeeker 09-30-06, 11:01 PM It's a very important book if you are interested in Quantum Physics and Eastern Philosophy...
Crunchy Cat 10-01-06, 07:12 PM Greetings,
At the most fundamental level of reality, the basic "stuff" that makes up all other stuff in the universe/that from which all the stuff in the universe comes from, is the universe one single whole, or is it a collection of separates?
The correct answer is that nobody knows yet.
JerryCT 10-02-06, 11:37 AM Thank you all for replying. I recently watched the movie "What the Bleep!? - Down the Rabbit Hole" and in the movie they said it is "known" and "has been discovered" that we all "are one". Why would they say this?
Also, do we not know because we don't have the resources to perform the experiments, (but think we know the correct experiments to find the answer), or do we not know what experiments we could perform to find the answer yet?
well, we are one in a way.
energy causes, governs and essentially IS the space and time around it. without the energy there would be no "empty space", there would be nothing. it dictates and shapes the spacetime around it to infinite distance. the energy is one in origin and all the energies spacetimes behave merged into one as a whole unit never really separated, it is just our perception that is false.
we, each one of us, as the same energy also participate in the same manner and shape the merged spacetime of all energies to infinite distance, perhaps to a very tiny degree, but still we participate and so does the tiniest little particle.
so we are all one.
the energy and spacetime shape around it would be indistinguishable to higher dimensioned beings or deities which see our eternity, much like we can not know both momentum and position of particles at the same time - heisenberg uncertainty.
JerryCT 10-02-06, 04:41 PM Thank you for explaining that, vx220. I have three questions in reply:
1) Is what you have explained proven?
2) Is this energy the most basic level of reality known?
3) You say "the energy is one in origin", maybe this is a big question, but how is the origin known?
All replies are appreciated!
1) general relativity theory is pretty much what i have said. i just put it in laymans terms and a bit more philosophical but i have not violated it in any way. general relativity has predicted numerous experiment results and is considered true. relativity has been used for example to adjust atomic clocks in GPS geostationary sattelites as they run a bit faster as the sattelites orbit - move faster relative to sea level, but a bit more slower because the gravity is weaker. relativity predicted that the clocks should run like 50000 ns(i think) slower per day or something. the clocks were adjusted before launch according to this and are now in sync with sea level clocks in 1ns - remarkable accuracy. if they would be brought back to sea level they would run faster 50000ns than original sea level clocks.
2) as far as physics is concerned there is nothing more basic.
3) it is assumed it always existed and will do so. it is the only scientific resolution. though eternity is hard concept to grasp for human minds - this is why we dwelve into religious dogmas where God started it all.
futhermore, the energy is still one, as the energy IS space time. space time is continuous throughout the universe, although changes density. so, the whole energy was, is and will be always one.
there is no origin, it was a misuse of a word as origin would imply it was created.
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