Baron Max Banned Again? Why?

Aw... that's sweet.

For starters:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167934#post1167934
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167944#post1167944
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167953#post1167953
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1169184#post1169184

:m: Peace

ah ja...does this mean you are back and I have to start post content only?

Post content and let that fearsome post count wane?? ;)
I do not know if I am back or not. A little bird told me of the changes
happening and I decided to poke my head in the door and have a peek.

:m: Peace.

For starters:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167934#post1167934
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167944#post1167944
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167953#post1167953
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1169184#post1169184

:m: Peace

Hi goofyfish...

How are you
Dont ban the baron.. what he said to bell and sam is nothing compare to the abusive stuff i have been getting over the last week or so

how long is he banned for?

please cut the ban down he is a real big softy really he just tries to act all hard... for effect i hope

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take care
zak

I actually wanted to continue at one point with kebabomatic and give up the post count, but he was banned.

:(

Not that there is a point anymore, since it's not a secret it is me anymore.

So the monster will continue too feed, like the blob. Grow and grow till it drags the forum and this galaxy down

For starters:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167934#post1167934
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167944#post1167944


:m: Peace
baron should've known better than to cuss out a lawyer.

I actually wanted to continue at one point with kebabomatic and give up the post count, but he was banned.




If that was really you, you should start a kebabomatic blog, it will kill, he was great.

Dont ban the baron..

...please cut the ban down he is a real big softy really he just tries to act all hard... for effect i hope



An interesting post in light of this 9/17 email:


Zakariya04 ( mailto:*************** ) has reported this post:


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1145774#post1145774

This is part of this thread:
Deja Vu- IAEA: U.S. report on Iran 'dishonest'
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=57860

This is the reason that the user gave:
Dear Moderators,

please could you have a look at this very dispicable comment made by the baron.

i was actually stunned to hear this... if this comment had come from a pro-muslim or muslim poster then the sting back would have been immense.

I propose this guys be banned for such disgustung comments.

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This message has been sent to all moderators of this forum, or all administrators if there are no moderators.

Please respond to this post as applicable.

Isn't it like bad form and stuff to publicly post private material?

Heh.
Zak, you were always suck a polite lad. But inside... what evil lurks?

Oh. Welcome back, Goofy. Stick around. Just don't go too nazi on us, please?

So why was B max banned? was it specifically for the use of the word 'cunt' or just the way he elaborated about it?

Hello Goofyfish, I hope you are very well.

The baron mentioned something about Zak having a sting. Wolves in sheeps clothing comes to mind.

Hi Goofy

thank yoj for this

Ok hands up i did write that but i did not know the baron that well then. That holucaust comment was really bad but all the rest of it is just angry baron...

Angry baron is fun

anyway i did not know him as well then as i know him now... i love his verbal abusive, the easiest guy to wind up on the forums

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take care
zak

An interesting post in light of this 9/17 email:

why do you make public private reports?

I have no reason to believe that Zak is a sock puppet. Of Baron Max.

:m: Peace.

I take it zak is indeed a sock then given his posting language and the language in the report are entirely different.

Don't tell me it's the monkey at it again.

Isn't it like bad form and stuff to publicly post private material?

Heh.
Zak, you were always suck a polite lad. But inside... what evil lurks?

Hi invvert

I put my hands up on this one but he made a very vile holucaust comment... "whats wrong with a few good holucausts"

I have onyl really started debating with him over the last fewe weeks so did not know his agressive style... i would not have reported him if he had said this comment over the last couplle of weeks,,,,




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take care zak
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Oh. Welcome back, Goofy. Stick around. Just don't go too nazi on us, please?


I'll try, Mr. Godwin. :)

I have no reason to believe that Zak is a sock puppet. Of Baron Max.

:m: Peace.

Is it Muslim then?

Is it Muslim then?

Hello ToR, I hope you are very well indeed and your cat also.

Muslim wouldn't know how to be polite, even if he tried.

Hi all

this is what baron said

Good, I'm glad.



So what's wrong with a few good holocausts now and then?

Baron Max


what did you expect me to do in light of the fact that i had never really crossed with him on issues before a day or so before he pulled this one out.

I was so taken abakc i could not believe it on the one had he was saying that ahmendijad was all bad saying about wiping isarel of the map then he pulls this one out

By the way TOR i am not a sock puppet of muslim or baron

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take care
zak

ah so he's racist then. He does seem very argumentative.

ah so he's racist then. He does seem very argumentative.

I don't think he's a racist, he just likes to stir up the mud now and then.

I believe he has made several posts in defence of Israel.

I don't think he's a racist, he just likes to stir up the mud now and then.

I believe he has made several posts in defence of Israel.

Hi sam

Israel could drop a nuke on any muslim middleeast state and the baron would still somehoe defend it!!!


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take care Zak

Don't tell me it's the monkey at it again.

no, kebabo is the only other account i ever had.

I find that insults are a far less bannable offence,

when compared with the stupity of the many here.:m:

I don't think he's a racist, he just likes to stir up the mud now and then.

I believe he has made several posts in defence of Israel.

I may be misunderstanding you,

are you saying:

he defends Israel therefore he is not entirely racist

Or

He defends Israel therefore he is sometimes racist

If the second option, why does defending Israel make you racist? If you are Israeli that would be the logical perspective.

I may be misunderstanding you,

are you saying:

he defends Israel therefore he is not entirely racist

Or

He defends Israel therefore he is sometimes racist

If the second option, why does defending Israel make you racist? If you are Israeli that would be the logical perspective.


Ah! I based it on the holocaust comment, i.e. in general the Baron just likes to be perverse.:)

I based it on the holocaust comment, but in general tha Baron just likes to be perverse.:)

ah so option 1, I thought that initially but then I looked again and was not so sure.

Maybe he is ignorant of the fact Israelies are mostly Jews.

They were some good quality insults that took some good imagination. I like them, wish he would talk to me like that!

In sympathy for Baron Max, I offer this:
http://www.microart.kiev.ua/en/skripka.html

(the world's smallest violin)

If people could be banned for being stupid,

spidergoat's internet service would be cancelled.:m:

Zakiriya04 submitted a confidential report on a post by Baron Max. I think it is reasonable and normal to believe that such reports remain confidential unless the reporter wishes it to be public.

Goofy Fish then chose to publicly reveal not only that Zakirya had made such a report, but posted the post itself.

I have reported GoofyFish for this gross abuse of moderator power via the following report:
Posting the contents of reports submitted in confidence is wholly unacceptable:
It flies in the face of forum convention.
It is is rude.
It is invasive.
It is prejudcial.
It is unethical.

Please have goofyfish apologise publicly for this gross violation of convention and good manners.

Man, you were wholly out of line.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

do you think posting private reports publically is acceptable, given the fact they are supposed to be confidential? Do you?

I'm starting to think the soap logo IS the most relevant.

Zakiriya04 submitted a confidential report on a post by Baron Max. I think it is reasonable and normal to believe that such reports remain confidential unless the reporter wishes it to be public.

Goofy Fish then chose to publicly reveal not only that Zakirya had made such a report, but posted the post itself.

I have reported GoofyFish for this gross abuse of moderator power via the following report:
Posting the contents of reports submitted in confidence is wholly unacceptable:
It flies in the face of forum convention.
It is is rude.
It is invasive.
It is prejudcial.
It is unethical.

Please have goofyfish apologise publicly for this gross violation of convention and good manners.

Man, you were wholly out of line.

We had a whole thread relating to something like this regarding the publication of Perplexity's private message to somebody, just very recently. I do agree with Ophiolte in principle.

when compared with the stupity of the many here.:m:

And by "here", I assume you mean, "in the room with JB, wherever JB is, especially if JB is alone."

Also, baron max quite obviously has tourette's, and therefore it may be discriminatory to ban him.

do you think posting private reports publically is acceptable, given the fact they are supposed to be confidential? Do you?


yeah. Ever since the policy changed that it is acceptable to make threats to another member to go after him outside the forum I think quoting PMs or 'personal' reports is a minor offense. Or no offense whatsoever compared to the first mentioned one.

Baron Max will return someday...it is written somewhere!

What is the point of PM's and personal reports if they're liable to be publicised by a... moderator, of all people. Do you want to do away with all confidentiality?

yeah. Ever since the policy changed that it is acceptable to make threats to another member to go after him outside the forum I think quoting PMs or 'personal' reports is a minor offense. Or no offense whatsoever compared to the first mentioned one.

I don't understand your reply I am asking you specifically about mod posting private reports.

You are saying you think its ok for Goofy to post private reports

ok but

in doing so we can no longer make private reports, we may as well just post public ones. Which means for those not wishing to make their feelings public, they have no chance to report an abuse of a member or forum rule.

The report feature is there for mods as much as anyone else, what point if no one can use it?

Do you really support the removal of the 'report feature'?

I just clicked on report. It doesn't state anything about it being private.

I PM the moderator if I have a problem.

Are you serious?You ubet your sweet ass I am.
I am as serious about this as just about anything I have posted in this forum. Most discussions relate to opinions and have little or no effect upon our lives. This relates to our position and role within the forum. Frankly, goofy fish's action in this matter is utterly despicable. It is a gross abuse of his power as a moderator. Only his positive contribution to the forum in the past prevented me from requesting the removal of his moderator powers.
I am sickened, literally, by his cavalier behaviour in this matter, and frankly surprised by your apparent approval of this invasion of privacy.

Invasion of pricvacy? Hardly.

I can certainly accept responsibility for lapse in judgement.
As such, I offer my apology for violating Zakariya's trust here.

:m: Peace.

Thank you for the apology.

I fail to see, however, how you can call it anything other than an invasion of privacy. Zakiriya made a report with, I believe, the expectation that its contents were between him and the mods/admins of the forum. That's the private part.
You posted it in public. That's the invasion part.

What's so difficult to understand?

Where I "invaded".

Well, ophiolite, as I explained before nobody gave a shit before when threats were made to take the conflict outside this forum. I that light I can't really give a rat's ass about a report being quoted that has no information in it other than what is quite visible in this forum.

Furthermore the reporter is apparently a sock puppet whose main aim is to elicit a response if I have to believe the latest gossip. A sockpuppet and a troll interacting leading to a chair-dance of banishment.

In short I would have liked to have seen such a strong reaction to matters that really matter. This is rather approaching nothing.

Also, baron max quite obviously has tourette's, and therefore it may be discriminatory to ban him.
I agree, it's wrong to discriminate against the mentally ill.

Invasion of pricvacy? Hardly.

I can certainly accept responsibility for lapse in judgement.
As such, I offer my apology for violating Zakariya's trust here.

:m: Peace.

does this mean it won't happen again?

:m: Most certainly.

nobody gave a shit before when threats were made to take the conflict outside this forum. I that light I can't really give a rat's ass about a report being quoted that has no information in it other than what is quite visible in this forum.

.


You overlook the fact that up until very recently, decent moderation of this forum was quite conspicuous by its very absence.

Hmm. I used the word "cunt" over 100 times in a single post regarding tiassa once. *sigh*

Sadly I still feel right in having done so. You'd have to have been there.

Or I suppose there are archives, but how boring. *shrug*

pardon.

Ah! I based it on the holocaust comment, i.e. in general the Baron just likes to be perverse.:)

So he's a dirty old man who's pretending not to be eh? Sounds about right I suppose. Lol.

Hmm. I used the word "cunt" over 100 times in a single post regarding tiassa once. *sigh*

Sadly I still feel right in having done so. You'd have to have been there.

Or I suppose there are archives, but how boring. *shrug*

pardon.

Literally over a 100 times?

Zakiriya04 submitted a confidential report on a post by Baron Max. I think it is reasonable and normal to believe that such reports remain confidential unless the reporter wishes it to be public.

Goofy Fish then chose to publicly reveal not only that Zakirya had made such a report, but posted the post itself.

I have reported GoofyFish for this gross abuse of moderator power via the following report:
Posting the contents of reports submitted in confidence is wholly unacceptable:
It flies in the face of forum convention.
It is is rude.
It is invasive.
It is prejudcial.
It is unethical.

Please have goofyfish apologise publicly for this gross violation of convention and good manners.

Man, you were wholly out of line.

Pardon but have you confirmed that he did not have Zak's permission?

Literally over a 100 times?

Indeed. I don't remember the exact count, which I checked at the time. It was over 90 I'm sure, maybe around 150. It's been a couple of years.

Well. It's a good thing you stopped when you did. There's an ancient legend that states if cunt is said 121 times in a single post, then the chains holding back the fenris wolf will break and Ragnarok will begin.

well it WAS a really long post.

originally in defense of monkeyman if I'm not mistaken.

i for one do not consider reports to mods private.
i also do not consider PMs to mods concerning other posters private.
mods are not lawyers and are not bound by the same rules.

Pardon but have you confirmed that he did not have Zak's permission?Implicitly. And subsequently explicitly.

i for one do not consider reports to mods private.
i also do not consider PMs to mods concerning other posters private.
mods are not lawyers and are not bound by the same rules.


Very little "law" truly applies in an international forum setting.
The gist of the complaint is more a "community's" sense of what
should be considered private. Oph's complaint strikes me as
wholly valid - hence my acknowledgement and my apology.

:m: Peace.

I personally don't give a shit if everyone prints out the contents of their pm folders. I've never seen any inherent quality of pm's which make them immune from public disclosure.

One must choose whether or not one wishes to do so.

But, I can certainly see how public disclosure of a confidential report would be breach of privacy.

People report posts with the assumption that their report will be confidential. It's true that no promise of confidentiality is stated on the report page, but still, it's almost a given.

But, if that confidentiality doesn't exist, then they may well choose not to use the report function in the future.

It's up to the mods, I suppose, whether they want to encourage or discourage the use of the report function.

Personally, I think the report function is for pussies. Except in the case of spam.

hence my acknowledgement and my apology.

Now. Give him a kiss.

Aw, shucks.

Personally, I think the report function is for pussies. Except in the case of spam.

True dat. I use it only for spam.

Well except a week ago or so.. I was so pissed off about something unrelated that I think I reported someone for being stupid. I cannot quite remember.

Personally, I think the report function is for pussies. Except in the case of spam.


Then I have to ask: why do you use it? For other than spam, I mean.

:m: Peace

People report posts with the assumption that their report will be confidential.
i report a post usually because it's spam.
i can't think of any specific post i reported for other than that. although i have reported that mods read a certain page of a thread.

i have never assumed my reports and PMs about other posters to mods to be private.

Then I have to ask: why do you use it? For other than spam, I mean.

You lie!

Actually.
I have reported a couple of posts.
There was that rap battle thing in philosophy. I reported that.

I also reported a couple of Perplexity's posts. But only after becoming really really really disgusted by his behavior and his inability to prevent himself from continually crossing the line.
I openly stated that I was going to start reporting him should he broach his favorite subject.
And I did.
Although... only once or twice, I think...

I really can't think of any other instances where I've reported a post...
Could be forgetting. It's always possible.

Anyway.
Whoever said that I wasn't a pussy from time to time?
See where your logic fails you?
Eh?

Now. Kiss the man and have done with it.

Actually.
I have reported a couple of posts.
Pussy.

Oh. I think I also reported that time that Perplexity threatened to cut my throat. But, only after much public pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth over whether or not I should.
My choice was made for me when he threatened the forum.
You can threaten me but not my forum!!!

Lot of good that did, by the way.
He publically threatens to murder me and he gets nothing but a verbal spanking for it.
Lame.
See how useful the report function is?
It'll get you banned if you say fag, but if you threaten murder...?

What if I threaten to murder fags?

For starters:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167934#post1167934
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167944#post1167944
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1167953#post1167953
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?postid=1169184#post1169184

Peace

What the?!?

Oh welcome back goofy:D .. long time no see:( .. please stay.. for the love of, well, whatever.. stay!!

As for Baron. Don't ban him for the Foley's thread :(. I should not have said what I said and while his reply was over the top, he has a bad temper and yes he over-reacted, but that was that. He's a racist yes. But so are many other members who remain for reasons that are unfathomable to me. Baron will never agree with anyone in Sciforums. He enjoys playing the devils advocate because he likes to argue. So in regards to the Foley thread, I shouldn't have said what I said and if he's going to be banned for his reply to me, I should be banned also for what I said to him.

There are 42 members online. Wow! Most I've seen in the last few months

There are 42 members online. Wow! Most I've seen in the last few months

Talk about a non sequitur.

Admit it.
You're just here hoping that Goofy kisses Ophi.
A big french kiss too. Tongues intermingling and saliva being exchanged freely.
Maybe a little groping below the belt....

...and with that lovely mental picture, we say goodnight.

:m: Peace.