Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?

Jeez. Your fear knows no end. You have my pity. Perhaps a Christian Whites Only compound would be a better world for you. Then you could be sheltered from the people's of the world and all of our myriad of cultures, histories and beliefs.

Do you know what the Wahabis stand for Einstein?

Do you know what the Wahabis stand for Einstein?The Islamic equivalent of fundamentalist Christians. I'm not cowering in fear over the few that pulled off 9/11 like your trembling brethren. Get used to the idea you and your faith are outnumbered and getting more insignificant by the day.

Obviously a sleeper agent.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obviously a sleeper agent.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.aspThe trembling kneelers require an inbred looking white man with a record of marriage, doesn't matter how many times, to feel unthreatened.

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)Marijuana and sedatives often can relax even the most terrified person. Branch out from your fear.

You didn't answer the question, must be a hard one for you.

You didn't answer the question, must be a hard one for you.I'm not askeert of Wahabists either. But The 1st Bush said non believers shouldn't be citizens. Faith=Fear. Period. They insist Christians and Jews are taking over the world (Iraq, Occupied Palestine, Lebanon.) and Christian fundies think a tiny strain of fundie Islam is coming to seize Merica an make us Mozlums:eek: You both are the same disease, and neither scares me into racist hatred and fear mongering.
I'm out of this thread, making me feel the need for a shower.

"Non believers shouldn't be citizens," when did he supposedly say that?

"Non believers shouldn't be citizens," when did he supposedly say that?Sigh. Last year of his reign. Look it up.

No, you look "it" up and get back to us.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_03/008488.php

http://bennyhills.fortunecity.com/hardy/203/nonbeliever/page50.html
Of course since my links aren't from www.godhatesfags.com Christian Factbook you'll dismiss them. But it was widely publicized. You must have been in Jesus Camp or something.

How come perky Katie Couric didn't talk about it, or Alec Baldwin, or Ted Kennedy?

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)

You realise....Obama went to a Catholic school aswell as a Wahabi school.

Yes.

Yes.

So why are you trying to imply that he follows Wahabi ideaology?

So why are you trying to imply that he follows Wahabi ideaology?I bet he hates/fears Catholics too. Only oil barons and Hollywood actors like Reagan should be leading this country. They want a theocracy, like Iran or Saudi Arabia, where one slice of one faith is the government religion. No one else can be in government. Then the enactment of religious law (xian sharia) will come to rule the land. Resistance will not be tolerated. And they criticize Wahabists!!

I bet he hates/fears Catholics too. Only oil barons and Hollywood actors like Reagan should be leading this country. They want a theocracy, like Iran or Saudi Arabia, where one slice of one faith is the government religion. No one else can be in government. Then the enactment of religious law (xian sharia) will come to rule the land. Resistance will not be tolerated. And they criticize Wahabists!!
Genji,
Why do you concoct a paranoid fantasy about Christians while simultaneously ignoring the reality about Wahabist Muslims?

Genji,
Why do you concoct a paranoid fantasy about Christians while simultaneously ignoring the reality about Wahabist Muslims?The xian Right threatens this country more than the handful of extremes on the Islam side. I have a sister in the evangelical movement. It's not paranoia. It is disappointing to see you align with Ice the bigot. Later

Genji,
We have a strong constitutional protection against the theocracy you fear. There is no way we will ever have any kind of theocracy here baring some collapse of government due to economic difficulties or extreem terrorist attacks.

In my opinion, the Islamofascists could concievably drive us into a theocracy or a true fascist state. A major terrorist attack (say nuking a few cities) could easily provoke such a panic that anything could happen.

So, in my opinion, the rightwing christians who want to do "whatever it takes" to prevent such an attack are the best defense against a theocracy or fascist state. The measures proposed by the most firebreathing Republican are nothing compared to what we'll get following a major terrorist attack.

If given a choice between Bush and a Wahabbi-trained cleric, I'd vote for the latter :)

If given a choice between Bush and a Wahabbi-trained cleric, I'd vote for the latter :)
You have a choice right now. Immigrate to Saudi Arabia! Then you won't have to suffer under this oppressive US government anymore.

Obama's a Wasabian?

You have a choice right now. Immigrate to Saudi Arabia! Then you won't have to suffer under this oppressive US government anymore.

No. I need to get a job in the US defense industry first, sell hard-researched US secrets to the Chinese, and THEN move to an unfriendly nation. ;) :)

No. I need to get a job in the US defense industry first, sell hard-researched US secrets to the Chinese, and THEN move to an unfriendly nation. ;) :)My thoughts as well!:p

You should have worked for Clinton, he sold alot of secrets to the Chinese.

Were they whispers?

Sure, he whispered "I've got nuclear secrets if you'll help pay for my election."

The Chinese payed for Clintons election?

Just ask Johny Chung.

Or, you can ask Ron Brown, ooops, he's dead.

Who's Johny Chung?

A long time buddy of the Clintons, the bag man.

How much did he get for these "nuclear secrets "?

You'll have to ask Bill and Hillary.

Why, dont you know?

Don't know how much, but I think it was a punk ass small amount, considering the Chinese can now send multiple warheads on their missiles, and can accurately guide them now, thanks to Bill and Hillary.

Hillary was in on it too?

Duh.

Anyone else?

Well Clinton moved sensitive export oversight from the State Department (who wouldn't ok the technology transfers) over to the Commerce Department, where Ron Brown presided.

Yep. It's insane.

Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?
Considering that people are constantly mispronouncing his name as "Osama", I shouldn't be surprised.

Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?

So what? Maybe because he attented this school he has an understanding of what Islam actually is. It does not change the fact that he's an American.

I mean really if people are going to poltiically attack Obama you have to do a better job than making fun of his middle name, or calling him a former Muslim.

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)

Just because someone attended a Muslim school as a child, it does not mean they will grow up to be a muslim adult. That's a ridiculous amount of assumption. If you are trying to appear racist, GOOD JOB.

I swear, you and Prince James, I don't know why you don't just outright admit to being racist, you basically say everything racist but avoid admitting it, and it makes you look like you are ashamed or something. I just want for once, to see you say you are racist so we can agree and have an honest debate.

Supposedly racist about who or what?

Just because someone attended a Muslim school as a child, it does not mean they will grow up to be a muslim adult. That's a ridiculous amount of assumption. If you are trying to appear racist, GOOD JOB.

I swear, you and Prince James, I don't know why you don't just outright admit to being racist, you basically say everything racist but avoid admitting it, and it makes you look like you are ashamed or something. I just want for once, to see you say you are racist so we can agree and have an honest debate.No Kidding TT. I was baptised Roman Catholic and raised Southern Baptist and look at me! Atheist homosexual! Obviously religious brainwashing only works on those that need a crutch to drag themselves through their fear filled miserable lives.

Surely we can have candidates who didn't attend schools which say kill the infidels, how much of that sunk in?

Surely we can have candidates who didn't attend schools which say kill the infidels, how much of that sunk in?

The catholic schools teach that now days?

IceAgeCivilizations, why don't you start a thread about what you think you know about the Clinton-China connection?

As far as the original question, the answer is yes, maybe. Or would you prefer a president that holds hands with the princes and kings of Saudi Arabia, land of wahabist schools preaching hate, and source of most of the 9.11 hijackers? Which guilt by association is more compelling?

I like the idea of a black president, but "barak hussein obama"? Come on.
He can't be serious with that name.
To paraphrase from the daily show; "his timing is as bad as when Gaydolph Hitler ran for the presidency in 1945".

Leroy Johnson, now that's a black presidents name.

It could work in our favor.

He certainly does seem beholding to the princes and king, it is a strange state of affairs, but I vote for who I think would be better, and Bush won out over Gore and Kerry, and Hillary and/or Obama would not be my cup of tea. Just about whoever the Repubs come up with will surely be better than those two.

Maybe Pat Robertson?

Maybe Pat Robertson?Or Guiliani, a pro choice, pro gay marriage Republican. We will get to watch the Republican Party crumble as the moderates and neoconmen rip into eachother. I'm looking forward to the festivities.

In any case (refering to my page 2 posts), I have no qualms or reservations about backstabbing America. I mean, in my lifetime, China will become the most dominant economic power in the world. I might as well join the winning side while blindsiding America :P ;)

BTW, if you're getting angry at me, I'm only joking. I would never back-stab America (or maybe sometimes :P)

Or Guiliani, a pro choice, pro gay marriage Republican. We will get to watch the Republican Party crumble as the moderates and neoconmen rip into eachother. I'm looking forward to the festivities.
So far, I'm planning on voting for Guiliani. I don't care about his position on abortion or gay marrage. I trust him to kick Islamofascist ass.

So far, I'm planning on voting for Guiliani. I don't care about his position on abortion or gay marrage. I trust him to kick Islamofascist ass.Or maybe focus on ignored domestic issues. Things people want done. Dumping billions into a failed war on Islam will bring more failure and more funerals. Where any American confidence comes from regarding Iraq is beyond my understanding. It is an unmitigated disaster getting deeper & deeper. Let's spend the billions in the USA. Let's use our troops to guard our borders and ports.

So far, I'm planning on voting for Guiliani. I don't care about his position on abortion or gay marrage. I trust him to kick Islamofascist ass.And your war on Islam is the best recruiting tool for the extremist groups that could ever be concocted.

Or maybe focus on ignored domestic issues. Things people want done. Dumping billions into a failed war on Islam will bring more failure and more funerals. Where any American confidence comes from regarding Iraq is beyond my understanding. It is an unmitigated disaster getting deeper & deeper. Let's spend the billions in the USA. Let's use our troops to guard our borders and ports.
I think my opinion of Guiliani is frozen in time from his performance on September 11th. I also know he did a great job cleaning up new york. He seems like a tough bastard and that's what we need.

I think my opinion of Guiliani is frozen in time from his performance on September 11th. I also know he did a great job cleaning up new york. He seems like a tough bastard and that's what we need.I'd LOVE to see a moderate Republican win the nomination, really. But, as I mentioned before, he faces the same perils Hillary C. does: Both these people alienate their party bases. Giuliani was protested at the Republican convention by the religious right, the current owners of the party. Hillary is despised by the Democratic liberal base for her sucking up to Bush's wars, etc. McCain is even schmoozing with the religious right for their stamp of approval, after condemning "Pat Robertson Republicans" in the last presidential campaign.
Long story short: It ain't gonna be Giuliani. It'll be a Bill Frist type. Mark my words.

I'd LOVE to see a moderate Republican win the nomination, really. But, as I mentioned before, he faces the same perils Hillary C. does: Both these people alienate their party bases.
Long story short: It ain't gonna be Giuliani. It'll be a Bill Frist type. Mark my words.
I don't know. Republicans are much more disciplined than Democrats. We don't tend to tear each other to pieces the way the democrats do. Most Americans aren't even aware of Guiliani's liberal social policies. Unless someone goes out of their way to make an issue out of it, he may just sail thru on his Sept 11 hero status.

I don't know. Republicans are much more disciplined than Democrats. We don't tend to tear each other to pieces the way the democrats do. Most Americans aren't even aware of Guiliani's liberal social policies. Unless someone goes out of their way to make an issue out of it, he may just sail thru on his Sept 11 hero status.Oh you can bet an issue will be made about his not lining up with the GodSquad.

Thanks IceAgeCivilizations, It is nice to know that I can vote for a President who actually understands something about Wahabism.

Oh you can bet an issue will be made about his not lining up with the GodSquad.
I'm going to predict it right now, Guiliani will be our next president. Put your money where your mouth is, if he gets the nomination, will you vote for him? Imagine it: Genji, pulling the big, red, Republican lever.

I find guiliani obnoxious, as I find all new yorkers.
I think I'd rather the flagrant terrorist guy, if I was american and/or cared.

Hey nirakar, all of America knows something about Wahabism, we don't need a President who was/is one.

Obama attended a Wahabi Madrasa for FOUR YEARS in Jakarta.

Obama did not mention this in his current best-selling book.

I hear that Team Hillary dug up this info.

Genji,
...Islamofascists...

This word, you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Islam=God. Fascism=the State. Islamofascism=nothing.

Obama attended a Wahabi Madrasa for FOUR YEARS in Jakarta.

Obama did not mention this in his current best-selling book.

I hear that Team Hillary dug up this info.


Did you even read the snopes link? the ones with quotes from his earlier books and interviews where he openly discusses his education and family history?

Why the hell isn't everyone applauding him for his honesty? Do we *enjoy* being constantly lied to by our politicians?

I wonder why he didn't mention his Wahabi training in his new bestseller? Perhaps he wants to try to sweep it under the rug?

I suppose he didn't value it that much, he was probably young? Do you put your kindergarden experience on your resume?

You don't think he would know that Americans would be very interested to know that he was trained in school by Wahabists for FOUR YEARS?

I am not going to address his past, only his promise and future:

The Dems literary were masturbating out of happiness that they finally found a black dude who is an excellent public speaker with carisma. But does he really say anything different? Hell, no. He is just 1 out of the many same old politicans, with a promise (well, actually, there isn't even a promise) and no delivery.

A very good article on him:

http://counterpunch.org/ford01192007.html

This word, you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Islam=God. Fascism=the State. Islamofascism=nothing.
Sorry, Inigo, I do know what the word means. What's so complicated? Put your own two definitions together and you get a dictatorial theocratic state. Simple.

This word, you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Islam=God. Fascism=the State. Islamofascism=nothing.
Rightwingers LOVE to come up with new ways to bash entire ethnic groups, religions, types of people. They thrive on divisiveness, it's the only way they can win elections. Stirring up sidedish social issues like abortion, gays, faith, etc.

Even if that were true (which it's not, in most cases), Genji, what does that have to do with the fact that Obama was trained for four years under Wahabists?

Even if that were true (which it's not, in most cases), Genji, what does that have to do with the fact that Obama was trained for four years under Wahabists?

You make it sound like he's tried to hide it.

No Way the Party of God will nominate a social liberal, adulterer, New Yorker. I'd love to see it happen but the party will split apart. Like it did during the Reagan years, the 1st Bush years and during the Dole campaign. Look for Bill Frist or Sam Brownback to take the nomination.

Sorry, Inigo, I do know what the word means. What's so complicated? Put your own two definitions together and you get a dictatorial theocratic state. Simple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocratic

You can have fascist dictatorships, and you can have non-fascist dictatorships. You can have theocratic dictatorships, and (though less common) theocracies not lead by dictators.

Fascism specifically deals with putting loyalty to the state above all else. Islam puts God above all else.

You can have an Islamic dictatorship, sure. Islamotheocracy, even. But an Islamic state is by definition not fascism, because the highest loyalty is to God and the Islamic Law, not to the state itself.

As soon as people have corrupted the Ismalic State such that it *is* fascist, then God is no longer given the highest loyalty, and therefore the state is no longer Islamic.

The two terms do not work in combination. The combined word is worthless. It is used because of the knee-jerk reaction people have to the term "fascist", not because it is accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocratic

You can have fascist dictatorships, and you can have non-fascist dictatorships. You can have theocratic dictatorships, and (though less common) theocracies not lead by dictators.

Fascism specifically deals with putting loyalty to the state above all else. Islam puts God above all else.

Words made by combining other words do not have to meet the precise testbook definition of each word.

Do you rest in a restroom? Are Cat-tails (the little weeds you see in swamps) actually the severed tailed of cats? What about driveways and parkways? You park on a driveway and drive on a parkway!

In common parlance, fascism means a right wing totalitarian state, as opposed to the left wing variant, communism. Islamofascists seek to establish a totalitarian state organized around Islam. It's that simple.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CSPAN2_09-27-2006_19.28.58.mov
(this is about the Habeas issue three months back)

http://www.obama.senate.gov/speech/

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060320-remarks_of_senator_obama_at_fellowship_baptist_chu rch/index.html
speech @ a church after the death of two young girls.

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/061113-dr_martin_luther_king_jr_national_memorial_groundb reaking_ceremony/index.html
MLK monument dedication speech

http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060628-call_to_renewal_keynote/index.html
Call to Renewal Conference speech June 06

http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/ObamaAIDS.htm
World AIDS Day speech

I'd say this is a guy I'd vote for president. It appears that not only is he in favor of defending US citizens, but that he is thinking of the secondary effects of all the measures available to us. This, to me, is the measure of a wise person. Not just someone who has good ideas to solve a problem, but also who looks at the possible bad results of those ideas.


madanthonywayne: Ok, I will agree to that basis. I will not personally use the word, and I will point out that I feel it is a mis-leading word, and that it does not help the debate, or help us solve the problems we face as a culture, but I won't argue with you when you use it.

Even if that were true (which it's not, in most cases), Genji, what does that have to do with the fact that Obama was trained for four years under Wahabists?

His training didn't take, since he's not even a Muslim. Even if he were, it isn't illegal. I for one would like to have a president that knows something about Islam, since it is only with the help of Muslims that we will prevail against Al Quida type groups.

I'm starting to be swayed in favour of the flagrant terrorist.

By the way, it's been reported that this story was leaked by "a Democratic opponent" of Obama. The leading candidate, Hillary. Whether is was her or not, one thing is clear. The Democrats are already starting to tear themselves apart. Leaving the field clear for President Guiliani.

I am not so pleased with Giuliani or McCain. I am not keen on Moderate Republicans, but I'd take a Moderate Republican over an Arch-Liberal Democrat any day of the week.

I wonder what Giuliani's stance on immigration is?

I am not so pleased with Giuliani or McCain. I am not keen on Moderate Republicans, but I'd take a Moderate Republican over an Arch-Liberal Democrat any day of the week.

I wonder what Giuliani's stance on immigration is?Who is an arch liberal?? Please don't say Clinton! This water has been tread so many times. If you think the Clinton's are liberals you don't know what liberalism is. BTW it died in the US with Lyndon Johnson. Haven't had a liberal in government since. We have some liberal writers, mags, but that's it. This country is so far right conservative centrists are labeled liberal! :p

Hillary Clinton is:

Anti-war
Pro-choice
Anti-gun
Pro-high taxes
A rabid feminist
Pro-affirmative action...

She's right of, at most, Barbara Boxer and Teddy Kennedy. She doesn't even have Kerry's relative intelligence.

Hillary Clinton is:

Anti-war
Pro-choice
Anti-gun
Pro-high taxes
A rabid feminist
Pro-affirmative action...

She's right of, at most, Barbara Boxer and Teddy Kennedy. She doesn't even have Kerry's relative intelligence.
Hillary voted for the war

She supports restrictions on abortion rights, like her husband.

She opposes affirmative action.

Rabid feminist? Not quite. She's opposed to gay marriage. Votes against it every time. She supports as many restrictions as possible on abortion rights.

Pro High Taxes?? If you're going to launch a trillion dollar war, rebuild New Orleans AND Iraq and maintain a space program you have to pay for it. It's called responsiblity.

She's also against grand theft auto (the video game series).
Putting an end to this series would be a far greater tragedy than any war or gay couple's lack of a wedding.

I believe obama loves playing grand theft auto and especially enjoys high jacking planes and flying them into buildings, in the game.

Cons must be pretty scared, starting the smear campaigns so early.

Hillary Clinton is:

Anti-war
Pro-choice
Anti-gun
Pro-high taxes
A rabid feminist
Pro-affirmative action...

She's right of, at most, Barbara Boxer and Teddy Kennedy. She doesn't even have Kerry's relative intelligence.

Isn't anti-gun the opposite of liberal?

Cons must be pretty scared, starting the smear campaigns so early.Their philosophy is rooted in fear. Terrorism Terrorism Terrorism!:eek: Saddam Saddam Saddam! Gays Gays Gays!:eek: Iran Iran Iran!:eek: NK NK NK! China China China! Abortion Abortion Abortion!

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Cons must be pretty scared, starting the smear campaigns so early.
Did you read my post? This came from a Democrat.

Obama is a terrorist, Clinton was a criminal, Obama is a terrorist,Clinton was a criminal,Obama is a terrorist, Clinton was a criminal, Obama is a terrorist,Clinton was a criminal,Obama is a terrorist, Clinton was a criminal, Obama is a terrorist,Clinton was a criminal,Obama is Clinton, Clinton was a Terrorist Obama is a terrorist, Clinton was a criminal, Obama is a terrorist,Clinton was a criminal,Obama is a terrorist, Clinton was a criminal, Obama is a terrorist,Clinton was a criminal,

There's a message hidden in these words.

SG that's cool! It's true too. They need an Emmanuel Goldstein to divert attention away from their failures and weaknesses. 2 minutes hate makes people forget their failed policies, failed war and corruption. Like I mentioned before, just like the USSR. It would be amusing if they weren't sinking my country in debt and blood.

Their philosophy is rooted in fear. Terrorism Terrorism Terrorism!:eek: Saddam Saddam Saddam! Gays Gays Gays!:eek: Iran Iran Iran!:eek: NK NK NK! China China China! Abortion Abortion Abortion!

Why are Americans so afraid?

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)

Isn't the current us president is christian? the world is definately a better place.

If Obama were elected, we would still have a Christian president.

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Cons must be pretty scared, starting the smear campaigns so early.

Your wrong about who is starting the smear campaign, It is the ever lovable Hillary Clinton all the way, she is sending some of her staff to Jakarta to interview the Imam who instructed Obama.

Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?

Maybe not in "Jesusland", er, I mean, "middle America". But I fail to see how it matters. After all, I went to a Catholic school, and I'm not Catholic. Never have been, never will be.

Nor do I think that his time in a Wahabi culture should necessarily dominate his personality. It would be a sad testament to our American culture if, after such immersion and success among us, Sen. Obama was still dominated by a hidden strength of Wahabism. Really, if finding success and the appearance of happiness and purpose in a culture is not strong enough an influence ... do you see? I mean, is American culture really that weak? Anemic, yes. But babe-in-arms helpless? Come on ....

Your wrong about who is starting the smear campaign, It is the ever lovable Hillary Clinton
Nuh uh.
http://www.insightmag.com/

Nuh uh.
http://www.insightmag.com/
From your link:
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage? This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

Why are Americans so afraid?We are scared of people that don't look like us, worship like us and we're most afraid of defeat, since we do it so well. We are the most religious industrial nation on Earth so that has a big part too. Religion teaches fear and subjugation. Surrender of ones self to an invisible entity, because we are terrified of our humanity.
American Fear knows no bounds. Someday we will find out what fear really is.

I read the words, too.

http://www.insightmag.com/

Hillary's team has questions
about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage? This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

Since we know virtually nothing about Obama's political positions, it will be interesting to see how he responds to questions about his Wahabi past, if he keeps in touch with his ol' chums, if he approves of the political curriculum at Wahabi madrasas, how Madrasas affect the thinking of those who attend them, etc.

I see America's to get its first lady prime minister president.

Good ol' Hil.

I still don't think the good ol' USA has the stomach for the Clintons twice, imagine Bill in the White House, eating pizza in his robe, oh the horror, watching Oprah, and having chicks over when Hillary's out of town.

Bill will have Sandy Burger, James Carville, George Stephanopolos, Bill Mahr, and Al Franken over for poker parties at the White House. They'll get all liquored up and roll out of there at four in the morning, with the reporters waiting for their quotable quotes, always good for an insider's look.

http://www.insightmag.com/

Hillary's team has questions
about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage? This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

I read the words too. Consider the source. It's a political move on the part of a conservative magazine to swiftboat two popular Democratic candidates with unsubstantiated rumors. Both Clinton and Barack have been forthcoming on this topic, there's no story there.

In the 70's Wahabism had little influence among Indonesian Muslims. Barack's family were not fundamentalist Muslims, far from it. After the Muslim school, he went to a Catholic one.

Why can't Republicans run on how they can serve the US? All they do is smear campaigns and hatemongering with wedge issues that matter little to mainstream America.

I read the words too. Consider the source. It's a political move on the part of a conservative magazine to swiftboat two popular Democratic candidates with unsubstantiated rumors. Both Clinton and Barack have been forthcoming on this topic, there's no story there.

In the 70's Wahabism had little influence among Indonesian Muslims. Barack's family were not fundamentalist Muslims, far from it. After the Muslim school, he went to a Catholic one.

Why can't Republicans run on how they can serve the US? All they do is smear campaigns and hatemongering with wedge issues that matter little to mainstream America.

Ripping the Dems a new one with such unsubstantiated lies and rumors is about the only way Republicans even stand a chance. They have to distance themselves from Bush, the rampant Republican corruption that's been growing over the last few years, and the religious nutjobs to appear electable, but considering most of those debacles contain most Republican candidates, they have to make the Dems look that much worse.

Why can't Republicans run on how they can serve the US?

Ya' know, it would be interesting to create a chart or something to show the comparisons between contributions of Republicans and Democrats in USA politics. Then we could just point and say, "See, the "....." have obviously contributed more to the good ol' USA."

Can you do that, Spider? Anyone else do that?

Baron Max

Depends what USA you're talking about, the cons benefit the rich elitists, the dems benefit the average person.

That's right, and 50% of USA voters are rich elitists.

I think Barak Obama is being talked up big in the media so he'll win, because he has an implant in his brain to render him completely vulnerable to control by the Elite in case he gets elected.
Comments?

Why can't Republicans run on how they can serve the US? All they do is smear campaigns and hatemongering with wedge issues that matter little to mainstream America.

They also seem really into fearmongering about terrorists, real or imagined.

Yall jus' think I'm crazy, dontcha? Shucks!

Hillary will beat him down to VP material.

Garsh, let's hope not.

By the way, that thing about Barak Obama's implant? I'm writing a screenplay with that as the theme. I'm hoping to get Spielberg's approval.

I don't know. Republicans are much more disciplined than Democrats. We don't tend to tear each other to pieces the way the democrats do. Most Americans aren't even aware of Guiliani's liberal social policies. Unless someone goes out of their way to make an issue out of it, he may just sail thru on his Sept 11 hero status.

Most Americans are not socially conservative, so people like Guiliani, or Clinton has a good chance of winning the moderate majority. The moderate majority, is not going to vote for a Republican if that Republican runs on the war, and wants to go even more socially conservative. I think the mid-term elections show that the moderates are siding with the Democrats, along with the fiscal conservatives, and the extreme right and the extreme left, will never switch parties.

The extreme right supports the war no matter what, and are ultra socially conservative and fiscally progressive. The fiscal conservatives who were once considered to be the libertarian wing or traditional conservatives, are now called socially liberal and treated as liberal. The Republicans need a big tent, how do you expect Republicans to win if they kick out all the moderates from the party and keep only the religiously socially conservatives?

Mitt Romney has a chance to win among the religiously social conservatives, but he will not get funding from the fiscal conservatives. Guiliani will get money from the fiscal conservatives but won't recieve the support from the religious social conservatives. McCain on the other hand, no one really knows what he stands for, is he fiscally conservative, or socially conservative? Is he a traditional conservative or a neo-conservative?

He is for the war? Ok he is for the war, but his voting record in the Senate is moderate.I think out of all the Republicans, Guiliani and McCain at the most attractive. I just do not see, how a religious social conservative, will be able to run for office supporting the war. The country will be so bitter by that point that Hilary will be able to easily win in that situation.

I think Guiliani is the only guy who can beat her, hes liberal enough, moderate enough, but also fiscally conservative enough and tough enough.

I think Barak Obama is being talked up big in the media so he'll win, because he has an implant in his brain to render him completely vulnerable to control by the Elite in case he gets elected.
Comments?

Who doesnt have an implant?

Did you get your brain scanned to check you for your implants yet?

Its so nice to see Giambattista back. Now we just need Buddha1 back and all will be as it should.

Hey Sam, what do they teach ten year olds in the Madrasas about Israel and the West? I know that in geography class, they show maps of the Middle East with Israel not on the map, what other gems do they force feed those kids?

Sam lives in India, not the Middle East.
I doubt there are any major Madrasas in India.

Why no Madrasas in India, Barak Obama was schooled in one in Jakarta, so why do you guess none in India?

Wow, if Hillary beats down Obama to VP material, people may see her as a tired and bitter bully, like Bill, so the Americans could say enough already.

Why no Madrasas in India, Barak Obama was schooled in one in Jakarta, so why do you guess none in India?

I'm pretty sure there are lots of madrassas in India.

I've never seen one though. Private school, English and secular (not even Convent, my father was totally against it).

Who doesnt have an implant?

Did you get your brain scanned to check you for your implants yet?

I volunteered to have them installed. I need to victimized and manipulated. Just doing my patriotic duty!

Its so nice to see Giambattista back. Now we just need Buddha1 back and all will be as it should.

Oh my! Someone missed me?
Yes, too bad Buddha1 is gone. He was a good time. You must be a fan.;)

All implants aside, I do get a little skeptical when the media concentrates on a single candidate. Ironically, it seems like they did that with Howard Dean, and later I came to the conclusion that he probably would have been a better president. At least more independent-thinking than the two finalists.

What is his religion, officially? If my understanding is correct, Wahabism is an extremist form of Islam, no? But does that even mean anything? What are his beliefs today?

I maybe should have read more of this thread, huh? I don't know enough about Obama at this point. I just know people talk about him alot.

You should have worked for Clinton, he sold alot of secrets to the Chinese.

Wen Ho Lee???????????????? I read quite a bit on that, and I really don't understand what went on. It seems.... strange. :cool:

Presuming you're a U.S. citizen, Genji, would you feel more comfortable with a Wahabist President of the U.S. or a Christian one? (You do realize that atheists such as yourself should be killed according to Wahabi Islam?)

You do realise that according to fundamental Christianity, atheists should be killed, too. Eventually. Well, I shouldn't say killed, exactly, but more like tortured endlessly, forever and ever. Amen.:)

Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?

As opposed to someone like Bush? OH GOD YES PLEASE!

Barak Hussein Obama attended a Wahabi Muslim school in Indonesia, placed there by his stepfather, is this what the U.S. people would want in their President's pedigree?
1) Is it a trick by the right to expose it now?
2) What is his (Obama) reply on all of this?
3) Will Barack change his name?

I think there's a link on the first page with his reply, or a summary of it, or something similar.

"2) What is his (Obama) reply on all of this?'

the snopes link has not his reply to this, but his almost "pre-ply", considering that he has discussed his schooling history publically a number of times. The idea that "Obama's hiding his schooling!" is pretty much non-sensical given how open he has already been about it.

A lie can run around the world before the truth can get it's boots on.

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.

The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.
School not a madrassa

But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."

Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations.

Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

Source http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times...

That's all you need to know.

Washington Times is a reputable source?

No.

who the fuck cares if he is a muslim or not? evangelical christians commit crimes as well as everybody else.

so, i suppose i should never vote for somebody that might possibly be tied to a group of people that our government alienates on a daily basis? fuck, that includes everybody that sits even a centimeter left of the political divide.

using religion as a credential is one of the stupidest things you can do, when discussing the politics of a presidential election.

i would rather have a radical muslim that hated me, but stuck to the law of the land...than an evangelical christian that works to erode my rights (illegally) and well-being, merely because i am a "plebian".

dont be stupid.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html

Quite. So this is nothing but another very lame attempt by the right-wing media to condemn the two Democratic front runners. Big surprise there. The story itself is patently absurd and the fact that it's false no big surprise either.

What really gets me is the fact that even if it were true and Obama once attended a radical Muslim school some 30 years ago it clearly didn't leave a lasting impression. The man was raised a Catholic and already has a fine public service record for us to look at.

The best that the extreme-right wing smear machine could hope to do is foster suspicion that Obama is some sort of "Manchurian Candidate"esque sleeper agent waiting for some subliminal trigger to destroy America if, by some miracal he were to be elected president more than 30 years after his programing. Kind of a long shot there.

My personal theory is that the right-wing is upset because they've genuinely got nothing on this guy. as evidence I would direct you to the picture below.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Afrononymous/wouldyouvoteforasmoker.jpg

PS. Ever noticed that you never see Obama and Superman in the same place at the same time? Makes you wonder.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Afrononymous/SuperObama.jpg

It is horribly coincidental (my ass) that Obama should be somehow connected to radical Islam just as the possibility that he'd actually run for president started really growing. Typical neoconservatives, I say.

It is horribly coincidental (my ass) that Obama should be somehow connected to radical Islam just as the possibility that he'd actually run for president started really growing. Typical neoconservatives, I say.The ONLY way righties can win anything is through division and fear.

Washington Times is at least as reliable as Washington Post.

With Obama's candidacy, I look forward to analyses of what they teach in the Wahabi madrasas.

Great, Devil, you'd just as soon trust the future of America to a Wahabist trained guy about whom you know virtually nothing, wouldn't you like to see some reports on the kinds of material he was taught during his FOUR YEARS at the Wahabi school?

By the way, the reps are overplaying their hands, way too early. This info should have came out much later, WHEN Obama is a real contender. THEN it would sink him.
Bringing this up early the Dems can:

1. Realize that Obama has no real chance and replace him.
2. By the time he gets to be a big contender, this will be old news.

The Reps really need Rowe's timing... :)

Washington Times is at least as reliable as Washington Post.

bullshit.

Team Hillary dug up this info about Obama, she's really scared of him, but not as much as most Americans are scared of her.

No she didn't.

If not, then who do you say did?

It makes no sense for the Repubs to have brought this to the fore, they would use it if he became the nominee, obviously, so we must ask who is his present rival who would gain from presenting this info?

I don't know but Fox News has been hammering on him for weeks. He is a smoker, he used to use cocaine, his middlename is Hussein,etc.

If not, then who do you say did?

It makes no sense for the Repubs to have brought this to the fore, they would use it if he became the nominee, obviously, so we must ask who is his present rival who would gain from presenting this info?

Repeat for the intellectually challenged:

http://www.insightmag.com/
Owned by cult leader and right-wing lunatic Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Obviously, the cons would benefit from smearing Obama, just like they did lying about Kerry.

I don't know but Fox News has been hammering on him for weeks. He is a smoker, his middlename is Hussein,etc.
Those are ridiculous things to bring up.
he used to use cocaine,
Didn't know that one.

Didn't lie about it.

Didn't lie about it.

It will still hurt his chances of winning a presidential race.

No it won't. Didn't hurt Bush.

Bush did coke too?

He was arrested for it.

Wow. Politicians always seemed so much different from regular people. Now this.

the story is that he tried coke in college, decided that he didn't like it, and never did it again.

better than "I didn't inhale", IMO.

the story is that he tried coke in college, decided that he didn't like it, and never did it again.

better than "I didn't inhale", IMO.

Obama or Bush?

I saw the CNN program which went to OBama's childhood school and what is stated in quoted section of post 144 is accurate. Namely it is a standard public school with Christians and Budest as well as Moslem students.

CNN showed a old group photo of the school's teachers from the period that Obama was there. - Not one beard did I see. I was not able to be sure (only a second or two was spent showing photo) but the vast majority (perhaps all?) teachers were women. The only thing distinguishing this school from 10,000 other public school serving all religions of the their local neighborhood was that the neighborhood, which Obama's school served was "upper class" or a relatively rich neighborhood. (Surely Republican and Fox "news" do not object to people being successful and getting wealth.)

I do not know who started this thread but it is gross distortion of the truth to call it a "Wahabi school'' People repeating this sort of slanderous shit can not be trusted. They should be punished in some way. (I would call for their banning if that were permitted.)

Unfortunately, ignorance is not illegal.

the story is that he tried coke in college, decided that he didn't like it, and never did it again.

better than "I didn't inhale", IMO.

I for one enjoy the refreshing honesty.

As I said, spidergoat, the Repubs wouldn't have used that info until the general election, it would not help them now, as they probably would prefer that Obama be the nominee, to then make public this piece of info.

I wonder, Billy T, if CNN would want to protect a potential Democrat nominee, and so, paint the rosy picture?

Obama. Bush's story is that if he only ever says "no comment", then he can't get in trouble for lying

...I wonder, Billy T, if CNN would want to protect a potential Democrat nominee, and so, paint the rosy picture?CNN may favor some at times of both parties and other aspects but I am quite confident they did not fabricate the old group photo of Obama's teachers (not a beard in it, and almost all women) Nor lie about it being a neighborhood public school with Christians, and Budest students as well as Moslems, just like thousands of others the government provides to all, Christians included.

I have noted in many of your posts that well confirmed facts are no impediment to your stating falsehoods. - Thus, I would look to see if it is true even if you told me the cloudless sky is blue. - You can not be trusted to present facts you do not like. - I did not know you had originated this post until just now when checking to see if that was why you suggested CNN could not be trusted. (In my last post, I had said that whoever* started this thread should be punished in some way as "it is gross distortion of the truth to call it a Wahabi school. People repeating this sort of slanderous shit can not be trusted."
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*When making that prior post the thread was "open" and I honestly did not know it was you who started it, but now that I do, I am not in the least bit surprised and now better understand spidergoat's comment: "Unfortunately, ignorance is not illegal."

Ice:
As I said, spidergoat, the Repubs wouldn't have used that info until the general election...

Why not? If the question is "would they?" (about almost anything), the answer is yes.

The teachers in the picture were not his, they were from the same time period though, so what happened to all of Obama's teachers? I guess they didn't take pictures of them, wonder why?

The teachers in the picture were not his, they were from the same time period though, so what happened to all of Obama's teachers? I guess they didn't take pictures of them, wonder why?I do not know if this is true or not (certainly will not take your word for it - for why see my last two posts.) But we are discussing the character of the school, not Obama.

I suppose with your post above that you are suggesting that although the school had mainly women teachers and many Budest and some Christian (% as lived in the neighborhood) students that Obama did not go the classes with the others.

They knew in advance he would go to the US years later and become politically active, so he was keep in a unused room with 10 bearded instructors who keep beating extreme Islamic POV into him. - That suggestion of yours is typical and more reason why nothing you say is trustworthy. (If that is not what you are suggesting - what the hell are you trying to say in defense of this scandalous shit thread you started?)

The teachers in the picture were not his, they were from the same time period though, so what happened to all of Obama's teachers? I guess they didn't take pictures of them, wonder why?

I wonder why Bush doesn't deny being a human-animal hybrid?



Back in 1948, during his first race for the U.S. Senate, Lyndon Johnson was running about ten points behind, with only nine days to go. He was sunk in despair. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.

His campaign manager was shocked. "We can't say that, Lyndon," he supposedly said. "You know it's not true."

"Of course it's not true!" Johnson barked at him. "But let's make the bastard deny it!"

-Hunter S. Thompson

I'm saying that with the current "appreciation" of Muslim schools in America, what they teach, who they are taught to hate, etc., it could have quite an effect on a young lad who's there for FOUR YEARS.

So does Obama hate America?

This is going to be the same as the AIDS denial thread now, I predict.

What do you think he would say?

"I hate America"? "Death to USA"?

I'm saying that with the current "appreciation" of Muslim schools in America, what they teach, who they are taught to hate, etc., it could have quite an effect on a young lad who's there for FOUR YEARS.

It didn't even have enough of an effect to make him a Muslim.

He was raised as a Muslim, and now he claims to be a Christian.

Undercover Muslim? lol

And if he really is now a Christian, he should say why he decided to leave Islam to become a Christian, now that would make for some fascinating TV, I bet Al Jazeera would love that!!!!

IAC, why would you care if he was a muslim? How prejudice are you??

I want to hear him explain why he converted from Islam to Christianity, that would make for some great TV, don't you think?

If he would give a compelling explanation about why he supposedly became a Christian, then the Muslim world not like him, and if he doesn't, he will seem like a sneaky rat to Americans, he really can't win on this deal.

I want to hear him explain why he converted from Islam to Christianity, that would make for some great TV, don't you think?

Not really. I doubt he actually believes in god, he seems like a level-headed guy. I could see how god would help his chances in poitics though.

He was never a Muslim, not that it matters.

His biological dad was/is a Muslim, his step dad, Lolo Soetoro, was/is a radical Muslim, who put his kid in rad school for four years, then somebody decided to send him Catholic school, certainly a mixed bag, but at least, to me, it's somewhat encouraging that he didn't become a Catholic, which says he may be able to think on his own, so we'll see.

And I would love to hear why Christianity ostensibly won out in his life over Islam, I can see Barbara Walters in that hazy light, hitting him with that one, that'll be the day.

Hmmm...apperently he doesnt belive in hell, odd, I thought Christians did.

Why do you say he doesn't believe in hell?

I want to hear him explain why he converted from Islam to Christianity, that would make for some great TV, don't you think?

muslims are just as human as you are. his religion has no bearing on his ability to lead a nation.

we can see that by looking at our current president, the super-christian.

So if he's actually a Wahabist, then that would have no bearing on his ability to lead America, brilliant!

i believe that come the inaugeration, he will detonate his suicide belt.

No, he'd do it on his last day in office, to show why America hadn't done so well under his Presidency.

Really? Its a shame Bush wont do it for the same reason.

So does Obama hate America?

obviously, since he lives here and spends his life trying to improve life for citizens of illionois.

he wants to impose sharia law on peoria, springfield, and the rest of smalltown america.

That's a Muslim deal.

There are no Muslim or Christian children.

That's a Muslim deal.

i was being sarcastic, smart guy.

i guess by your logic, i should never vote for a christian..seeing as i am not one, and disagree with the foundation of the religion?

that would be retarded. religion isnt the person. religion is a piece of the person's personal beliefs. obviously, christianity hasnt been the motivation for bush's presidency, so why should anyone fear a muslim?


prejudice at it's best. better watch out, or he will have osama staying over in the lincoln bedroom!! oooooh scary muslims are going to get you, small town america!!!

give me a break.

Many children are born again by, and so dedicated to, the God of the Bible, can't speak for Muslims.

No they are not. Children are too young to understand religion enough to make up their minds about it.

children arent qualified to make a decision about religion. their parents tell them what they are. this is why judaism doesnt put children through initiation rites of decision until the age of 13. 13 is the age of accountability.

iceagecivilizations:
take your time, and do some research on something before you spout off here.
im tired of seeing people like you ruin this site for everyone else with your redfaced hatemongering and extremism.

"Hatemongering," huh? Because I don't agree with you, that makes me a hatemonger? How conveeeeenient.

Define extremism (this ougta be good).

ex·trem·ism
a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis.

n. One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.


noun
any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies

extremism. the definition of what you are posting all over this forum. grow up.

"Hatemongering," huh? Because I don't agree with you, that makes me a hatemonger? How conveeeeenient.

Define extremism (this ougta be good).

But why do you continue to believe false propositions about Obama? CNN already debunked it, and the initial report was published by a biased right-wing source. This is more than disagreement, it's being blind to revealed truth.

CNN is "revealed truth," wow spidergoat, you should write ads for them, very impressive.

CNN is "revealed truth," wow spidergoat, you should write ads for them, very impressive.

You're calling CNN liers?

They lean way to the left, just look at that Bill Schneider clown.

What about Glenn Beck, he seems a bit more to the right.

Yeh, they got tired of being called the Communist News Network.

So CNN knows no truth, and they outright lie from time to time?

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/10836367/detail.html

You Conservatives got OWNED. Back to the drawing bord, Faux News!

I can't wait to hear him explain why he rejected Islam, and ostensibly has become a Christian.

islam is the new communism, and the uneducated masses just swallow it, shaft and all.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/politics/10836367/detail.html

Obama fights back against rightwing witch hunt.

I can't wait to hear him explain why he rejected Islam, and ostensibly has become a Christian.


He was never a muslim.

I can't wait to hear him explain why he rejected Islam, and ostensibly has become a Christian.See Post 223

I think Nasir bin Olu Dara Jones should be our president. He dropped out of Eighth Grade and can talk WAY better than Bush. Also, apparently he reads Jung.

http://xs311.xs.to/xs311/07044/quran.jpg (http://xs.to)

Who gives a rats if he went to a madrassah when he was 10 years old? Who cares if he smoked marijuana and did cocaine in college?

You think he had a choice whether or not to go to a madrassah when he was 10 years old?

People are just bringing this stuff up because:
1. They have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives.
2. They need something sensational, so why not bring up something that a politician did 40 years ago when he was only 10 years old? Because obviously if a 10 year old went to a school that his mom sent him to for 2 years, then automatically he's not allowed to be the President!!!
3. They are desperate to use anything to soil Obama with, because they DO see him as a threat.

Whatever. I don't think he'll be President (Americans will still play the race card in the end), but I don't think going to madrassah has any relevance to it.

Now, if he attended a madrassah when he was in high school, that's an entirely different matter. Then I actually would be wary of it. But since he went to a madrassh for only 2 freakin' years sometime between the ages of 6 to 10, it bares no relevance at all.

He didn't go to a Madrassa at all.

He did, in Indonesia when he was 6 or 8 years old.

BTW, a madrassah isn't what right-wing "experts" want you to believe it is. It's not a school that just churns out extremists.

Yes, there are extremists madrassahs, but the vast majority of the madrassahs are just moderate learning centers.

madrassah literally translates into "school" in Arabic, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Of course, what right-wing "experts" won't tell you is that the majority of the bad madrassahs (extremist ones) are located into US-allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Let's punish Saudi Arabia by boycotting Saudi Oil! :P ;)

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...67/detail.html

"In the past week, many of you have read a now thoroughly-debunked story by Insight Magazine, owned by the Washington Times, which cites unnamed sources close to a political campaign that claim Senator Obama was enrolled for 'at least four years' in an Indonesian 'Madrassa' "The allegations are completely baseless," said Akmad Solichin, the vice principal at SDN Menteng 1, who added, "Yes, most of our students are Muslim, but there are Christians as well. Everyone's welcome here ... it's a public school."

OK. Then I was wrong. Even better for Obama then.

Who started the stupid rumour then?

Makes logical sense that it was Team Hillary, the Repubs would have saved it for the General Election, and Hillary's currently fourth in Iowa, plus, Obama has begun to solicit Hillary's big donors.

The earlier you can slam your opponent the better. The Insight magazine article is now thoroughly de-bunked, and we can assume the Clinton part is a lie as well.