What an inclusive and inspiring speech. Love him or hate him, he's definately a uniter. I've never seen any politician since JFK speak in such an inclusive manner.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iVAPH_EcmQ

I HATE HIM. I am voting for Clinton, 4ever

oh gush...the inner me is racist and I hate...I hate....grrrr....

but than he does sound promising as a leader of USA...

I dunno, Clinton is proved to be foolproof by her husband...and Obama is all talk.

Obama is all talk.

That's my impression too.

For some reason, I do not think he can actually DO much.

I saw the debate with Hillary and Edwards in N? or S? Carolina.

Found him very disappointing.

That's my impression too.

For some reason, I do not think he can actually DO much.

I saw the debate with Hillary and Edwards in N? or S? Carolina.

Found him very disappointing.

trouble is, he is going to steal precious votes from Hillary...so in the end of the tag-war between Obama and Hillary...the evil McCain will come out victorious.

http://www.760kfmb.com/rick_blog/imglib/mccain.jpg

That's my impression too.

For some reason, I do not think he can actually DO much.

I saw the debate with Hillary and Edwards in N? or S? Carolina.

Found him very disappointing.


What's the reason why you think he can't do much. And do you care to comment on the thread topic? This the best Victory speech ever. If you can point out another video that competes. Please post it.

I HATE HIM. I am voting for Clinton, 4ever

oh gush...the inner me is racist and I hate...I hate....grrrr....

but than he does sound promising as a leader of USA...

I dunno, Clinton is proved to be foolproof by her husband...and Obama is all talk.

The former President of the Harvard Law Review is much more then talk. His resume proves that he's a doer.

The former President of the Harvard Law Review is much more then talk. His resume proves that he's a doer.

yeah...right a director of a magazine in a big whiz university is oh boy...over qualified for a job as a president

I have no problems with his presentation, he's a good public speaker.

And his victory would be great in more than one way, especially for black Americans.

But as far as I can see, he won't commit on issues about the war, the economy and the recession.

Since these are the three major issues, either (a) he is not giving out all his cards right now (which seems puzzling) or (b) there is no plan B.

(a) he is not giving up his card since the Republicans are the ones who control him, he will push the war to 2014 or some year as far from now on...

since the Republicans are the ones who control him, he will push the war to 2014 or some year as far from now on...

That I doubt.:rolleyes:

(a) he is not giving up his card since the Republicans are the ones who control him, he will push the war to 2014 or some year as far from now on...

Huh? We don't control Obama. We want nothing to do with him. I don't trust him. Yeah, he's a good "uniter" speaker. Too bad his church is not interested in "uniting". And too bad he's incapable of uniting anyone. He's a freshman senator with not one accomplishment. He's been running for POTUS since he got to Washington. He will not win.

I liked all of Romney's victory speeches better. We have bigger problems than unity-- like terrorists and criminal aliens.:(

...But as far as I can see, he won't commit on issues about the war, the economy and the recession. Since these are the three major issues, either (a) he is not giving out all his cards right now (which seems puzzling) or (b) there is no plan B.

You forgot criminal aliens. They're in the Republican's top 3 issues. There is no recession and there won't be. Unless a democrat is elected.

Plan "B" is right. He has no plan. He has no experience running a state or city. He's an empty suit.:rolleyes:

You forgot criminal aliens. They're in the Republican's top 3 issues. There is no recession and there won't be. Unless a democrat is elected.

Plan "B" is right. He has no plan. He has no experience running a state or city. He's an empty suit.:rolleyes:

i believe when he was a illanois state senator he was from cook county which has the city of chicago in it. which is one of the largest metropoltion areas in the country

oh noe's...see how Sandy says plan B is right...and she is a republic allright. She also refers to unity ***t just like republicans refer to unity against "evil oh very very evil terrorists and criminal aliens" meanwhile the republicans pump the money out of our economy for their doings like war...oh noe's....not again.

Huh? We don't control Obama. We want nothing to do with him. I don't trust him. Yeah, he's a good "uniter" speaker. Too bad his church is not interested in "uniting". And too bad he's incapable of uniting anyone. He's a freshman senator with not one accomplishment. He's been running for POTUS since he got to Washington. He will not win.

I liked all of Romney's victory speeches better. We have bigger problems than unity-- like terrorists and criminal aliens.:(

Barack recieved 50% of the White Vote under 30 in South Carolina. That speaks volumes. He also won over white Republican farmers in Iowa, and Neveda, Barack has swept all the rural area's thus far. There you go again. Passing off your opnion as fact.

Huh? We don't control Obama. We want nothing to do with him. I don't trust him. Yeah, he's a good "uniter" speaker. Too bad his church is not interested in "uniting". And too bad he's incapable of uniting anyone. He's a freshman senator with not one accomplishment. He's been running for POTUS since he got to Washington. He will not win.

I liked all of Romney's victory speeches better. We have bigger problems than unity-- like terrorists and criminal aliens.:(

"Trinity United Church of Christ is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ. It is part of a liberal denomination that was the first to ordain an African American, a woman, and a gay man. Congregants have described it in the New York Times as a "warm and accepting community," and while it is a predominantly African American congregation, people of all backgrounds attend and are enthusiastically welcomed"

OWNED!

But as far as I can see, he won't commit on issues about the war, the economy and the recession.

Since these are the three major issues, either (a) he is not giving out all his cards right now (which seems puzzling) or (b) there is no plan B.

Barack Obama's Plan

As president, Barack Obama will implement a 21st century economic agenda to help ensure that America can compete in a global economy, and ensure the middle class is thriving and growing. He will increase investments in infrastructure, energy independence, education, and research and development; modernize and simplify our tax code so it provides greater opportunity and relief to more Americans; and implement trade policies that benefit American workers and increase the export of American goods.

Tax Fairness for the Middle Class

Provide a “Making Work Pay” Tax Cut for America's Working Families: The American people work longer and harder than those in any other wealthy nation in the world. But their hours are getting longer and their wages aren't getting any higher. In addition they are being squeezed by rising health care, education and energy costs. Rather than relieving the burden on working families, the current administration has provided tax cut after tax cut to the wealthiest Americans and enacted tax breaks for the most well-connected corporations. Barack Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they deserve. Obama will create a new “Making Work Pay” tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. This refundable income tax credit will provide direct relief to American families who face the regressive payroll tax system. It will offset the payroll tax on the first $8,100 of their earnings while still preserving the important principle of a dedicated revenue source for Social Security. The “Making Work Pay” tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans. The tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax. The “Making Work Pay” tax credit offsets some of this self-employment tax as well.

Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Owning a home is the culmination of the American dream for so many Americans. The tax code is supposed to encourage home ownership with a mortgage interest deduction, but it goes only to people who itemize their tax deductions. Like so much in our tax code, this tilts the scales toward the well-off. The current mortgage interest deduction excludes nearly two-thirds of Americans who do not itemize their taxes. Barack Obama will ensure that anyone with a mortgage, not just the well-off, can take advantage of this tax incentive for homeownership by creating a universal mortgage credit. This 10 percent credit will benefit an additional 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year. Non-itemizers will be eligible for this refundable credit, which will provide the average recipient with approximately $500 per year in tax savings. This tax credit will also help homeowners deal with the uncertain state of the housing market today.


Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit:
In the Illinois State Senate, Obama led the successful effort to create the $100 million Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). As president, Obama will reward work by increasing the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increasing the benefit available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increasing the benefit for families with three or more children and reducing the EITC marriage penalty which hurts low-income families. Under the Obama plan, full-time workers making minimum wage would get an EITC benefit up to $555, more than three times greater than the $175 benefit they get today. If the workers are responsibly supporting their children on child support, the Obama plan would give those workers a benefit of $1,110. The Obama plan would also increase the EITC benefit for those families that are most likely to be in poverty &endash; families with three or more children.


Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000:
Since the New Deal we've had a basic understanding in America: If you work hard and pay into the system, you've earned the right to a secure retirement. But too many seniors aren't getting that security, even though they've held up their end of the bargain. Lower and middle income seniors are struggling as their expenses on health and energy skyrocket while their incomes do not keep pace. This strain has been greater since 1993, when taxes on social security benefits were raised. Millions of seniors saw their net benefits go down.

Seniors also had to take on the added strain – and sometimes cost – of filing a complicated tax return. And after going through all of these complicated calculations, many seniors find that they owe little or no tax, meaning that all of the hassle was for naught.

Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will eliminate any income tax for nearly seven million seniors at a savings of roughly $1,400 each year. For many seniors, this will eliminate the need to hire a tax preparer, resulting in even larger savings.

Enable Millions of Americans to Complete Tax Returns in 5 Minutes: The tax code has become too complicated. Too many Americans have to pay for expert advice to fill out long forms and comply with complex requirements. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) estimated in 2004 that it took more than 28 hours for an individual to complete his/her tax filing, and that half of the taxpayers filing the “easy” forms ended up paying a tax preparer to do it for them. Barack Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than 5 minutes. Currently, the IRS receives Americans' financial information directly from employers and banks. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses this information to give taxpayers the option of a pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return to the IRS or online. This will eliminate the need for Americans to hire expensive tax preparers and to gather information that the federal government already has on file. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit:

Barack Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university. And by making the tax credit fully refundable, Obama's credit will help low-income families that need it the most. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit at the time that tuition is due, rather than a year or more later when tax returns are filed.

Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit:

The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit provides too little relief to families that struggle to afford child care expenses. Currently the credit only covers up to 35 percent of the first $3,000 of child care expenses a family incurs for one child and the first $6,000 for a family with two or more children. And the credit is not refundable, which means that upper-income families disproportionately benefit while families who make under $50,000 a year receive less than a third of the tax credit. Barack Obama will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses. Coupled with Obama's “Making Work Pay” tax credit, this proposal will help put more money directly in the pockets of hardworking low and middle-income parents.

Strengthen America's Workforce

Expand Early Childhood Education: Research shows that half of low-income children start school up to two years behind their peers in preschool skills and that these early achievement gaps continue throughout elementary school. Obama has been a champion of early childhood education since his years in the Illinois legislature, where he led the effort to create the Illinois Early Learning Council. Obama has introduced a comprehensive “Zero to Five” plan to provide critical supports to young children and their parents by investing $10 billion per year to create: Early Learning Challenge Grants to stimulate and help fund state “zero to five” efforts; quadruple the number of eligible children for Early Head Start and increase Head Start funding and improve quality for both; work to ensure all children have access to pre-school; provide affordable and high-quality child care that will promote child development and ease the burden on working families; and create a Presidential Early Learning Council to increase collaboration and program coordination across federal, state, and local levels.


Improve Our Schools:

From the moment our children step into a classroom, the single most important factor in determining their achievement is their teacher. Barack Obama values teachers and the central role that they play in education. He will work to ensure competent, effective teachers in schools that are organized for success. Obama's K-12 plan will expand service scholarships to recruit and prepare teachers who commit to working in underserved districts. To support teachers, Obama will foster ongoing improvements in teacher education, provide mentoring for beginning teachers, create incentives for shared planning and learning time for teachers. To retain teachers, Obama will support career pathways that provide ongoing professional development and reward accomplished teachers for their expertise. This Career Ladder initiative will help eliminate teacher shortages in hard-to-staff areas and subjects, improve teacher retention rates, strengthen teacher preparation programs, improve professional development, and better utilize and reward accomplished teachers.


Produce More Math and Science Graduates:

Barack Obama believes we must strengthen math and science education to help develop a skilled workforce and promote innovation. Obama will work to increase our annual number of science and engineering graduates, encourage undergraduates studying math and sciences to pursue graduate studies, and work to increase the representation of minorities and women in the science and technology talent pipeline, tapping the diversity of America to meet the increasing demand for a skilled workforce.
For more information on Barack Obama's education plan

Strengthen and Enforce International Trade Agreements

Be a Tough Negotiator for Smart Trade Agreements: The process of globalization is bringing millions of people into the global economy, increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets, raising productivity by putting new technologies to work, and exploiting efficiencies of integrated supply networks. But globalization also leaves some Americans behind as patterns of production change, jobs relocate, and wage pressures intensify. Barack Obama supports trade agreements that lower prices for American consumers while also opening up fair and competitive markets for the sale of American-made goods and services abroad. Obama will ensure that trade agreements include strong labor and environmental protections and that all Americans share the rewards of globalization. As president, he will lead a proactive strategy to make sure that those who lose their jobs to globalization have the tools and resources to find other work and share in the benefits of the global marketplace.


Promote American Businesses Abroad:

Trade can create wealth and drive innovation through competition. Barack Obama supports a trade policy that ensures our goods and services are treated fairly in foreign markets. At the same time, trade policy must stay consistent with our commitment to promote improved labor and environmental practices. In its first six years, the Bush Administration has filed only 16 cases to enforce its rights under WTO agreements. This compares to 68 cases filed during the first six years of the Clinton Administration. President Bush has failed to address the fact that China has engaged in ongoing currency manipulation that undercuts US exports; that China fails to enforce US copyrights and trademarks and that some of our competitors create regulatory and tax barriers to the delivery and sale of technology goods and services abroad. Barack Obama will fight for fair treatment of our companies abroad.

Protect American Intellectual Property Abroad:

The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that in 2005, more than nine of every 10 DVDs sold in China were illegal copies. The U.S. Trade Representative said 80 percent of all counterfeit products seized at U.S. borders still come from China. Barack Obama will work to ensure intellectual property is protected in foreign markets, and promote greater cooperation on international standards that allow our technologies to compete everywhere.
Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Barack Obama would update the existing system of trade adjustment assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts that workers could use to retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.

Support Small Businesses

There are approximately 25.8 million businesses in the United States and 99.7 percent of all employers are small businesses. Barack Obama will help these businesses by cutting their health care costs, improving their access to capital and investing in innovation and development.

Fix our Health Care Crisis for Small Businesses:

Nearly 47 million Americans have no health coverage today. Skyrocketing health care costs are making it increasingly difficult for employers, particularly small businesses, to provide health insurance to their employees. Barack Obama's health care plan will help small businesses that want to cover their employees by letting small firms buy into a new low-cost, high-quality national health plan similar to the one offered to members of Congress. For small businesses, having a single employee with catastrophic expenditures can make insurance unaffordable to all of the workers in the firm. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they use the savings to reduce the cost of workers' premiums. It is estimated that Obama's health plan will save businesses $140 billion annually in insurance premiums.

Reduce the Self-Employment Tax:

Obama's “Making Work Pay” tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax. The tax credit offsets some of this self-employment tax.
Eliminate Capital Gains Taxation on Start-Up Businesses: Obama will also eliminate the capital gains taxation of start-up businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. These provisions, combined with reducing the self-employment tax for small business measures, will ensure that the corporate tax code is not only fair, but also promotes continued economic growth and innovation.


Expand Loan Programs for Small Businesses:

Access to capital is a top concern among small business owners. Barack Obama cosponsored the bipartisan Small Business Lending Reauthorization and Improvements Act. This bill expands the Small Business Administration's loan and micro-loan programs which provide start-up and long-term financing that small firms cannot receive through normal channels. Obama will work to help more entrepreneurs get loans, expand the network of lenders, and simplify the loan approval process.


Invest in American Innovation

Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research. As a share of the Gross Domestic Product, American federal investment in the physical sciences and engineering research has dropped by half since 1970. Yet, it often has been federally-supported basic research that has generated the innovation to create markets and drive economic growth. For example, one recent report demonstrated how federally supported research in fiber optics and lasers helped spur the telecommunications revolution.

Make the R&D Tax Credit Permanent

Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.

Deploy Next-Generation Broadband:

Barack Obama believes that America should lead the world in broadband penetration and Internet access. He believes we can get true broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives. Full broadband penetration can enhance competition, provide economic growth, and bring significant consumer benefits. Obama has supported Chicago's citywide wireless broadband initiative and believes national policy should support state, local, and public-private partnerships as well as private efforts to make high speed access to the Internet available to all Americans. As a key step to achieving full broadband access, Obama believes the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) should provide an accurate map of broadband availability using a true definition of broadband instead of the current 200 kbs standard and an assessment of obstacles to fuller broadband penetration.


Promote Digital Inclusion

The lack of affordable, high-speed Internet access in rural, urban, and minority communities has created a digital divide between those who have access to the Internet and those who do not. This severely limits the growth potential of many urban and rural companies. Barack Obama believes we can get true broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation technologies, and new tax and loan incentives.


Address the Subprime Mortgage Issue

Combat Mortgage Fraud and Subprime Loans: The implosion of the subprime lending industry threatens to bring foreclosure to over two million households, including many families with children. Barack Obama has been closely monitoring this situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity. This bill also provides counseling to homeowners and tenants to avoid foreclosures. Finally, Obama's bill requires the Government Accountability Office to evaluate and report to Congress on various state lending practices so that state regulations that undermine consumer's rights can be identified and hopefully eliminated.

Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures:

In addition to taking important steps to prevent mortgage fraud from occurring in the future, Barack Obama will establish policies to help Americans currently facing foreclosure through no fault of their own. For instance, in communities where there are many foreclosures property values of innocent homeowners are often also negatively impacted, driving them toward foreclosure, too.

Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will also assist individuals who purchased homes that are simply too expensive for their income levels by helping to sell their homes. The fund will help offset costs of selling a home, including helping low-income borrowers get additional time and support to pay back any losses from the sale of their home and waiving certain federal, state and local income taxes that result from an individual selling their home to avoid foreclosure. These steps will ensure that individuals who have to sell their homes will be able to quickly regain stable financial footing. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who acted irresponsibly and committed fraud.

Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure

Barack Obama will create a credit card rating system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily identifiable ranking of credit cards. Under the Obama plan, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) will assess the degree to which credit cards meet consumer-friendly standards. The FTC will test for a set of credit card features that are deemed the most dangerous for consumers, including the underwriting standards used to issue the card, the card's interest rate spread between the introductory rate and the maximum rate allowed, and transaction fees. The FTC will assign ratings so that consumers can easily understand if a credit card agreement meets or exceeds standards of safety. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents. Credit card companies will also be required to disclose in simplified, clear language all of the major features of the card in addition to their FTC rating to provide consumers with additional information to compare credit card products.


Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers

Credit cards could turn into the next subprime market crisis. In addition to being able to easily understand how risky a given credit card is, every American should have a uniform set of rights while dealing with credit card companies, no matter their financial status or credit history. To protect those rights, Barack Obama will require the Federal Trade Commission to analyze credit card company compliance with these basic rights, and provide the Department of Justice with the full authority to investigate and penalize non-compliant companies.� The Obama credit card bill of rights will:
Ban Unilateral Changes: Currently, credit card companies can unilaterally change the terms of a credit card agreement at any time for any reason with only a 15-day notice to the consumer. Barack Obama will ban these unilateral changes in credit card agreements unless companies have obtained written consent from consumers and have followed the rules and terms of the agreement.

Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt:

Credit card companies often apply increased interest rates to both new debt incurred by the cardholder, as well as previously incurred debt. Barack Obama will require increased interest rates to apply only to future credit card debt, and not to debt incurred prior to the increase.
Prohibit Interest on Fees: Credit card companies often charge interest on transaction fees, such as late fees or paying a bill by telephone. Barack Obama will prohibit credit card issuers from charging interest on transaction fees.
Prohibit ”Universal Defaults”:

”Universal defaults” are a practice in which a credit card company raises an individual's interest rate based on failure to pay a different creditor on time. Barack Obama will prohibit this practice.
Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments: Barack Obama will require credit card issuers to apply payments first to the credit card balance with the highest rate of interest and to minimize finance charges.

Level the Playing Field for American Businesses

Make the Corporate Tax Code More Fair and Efficient: The tax code is filled with corporate loopholes and preferential regulations that benefit a handful of companies at the expense of the rest of the business community as well as ordinary people who are hit with higher effective tax rates. Some large companies have managed to secure tax breaks or to hide their profits in overseas tax havens and not pay any American corporate taxes at all. Barack Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by eliminating special interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry, as well as by limiting the ability of large multi-national corporations to use tax havens to hide income overseas. He will firmly institutionalize the economic substance doctrine so we can stop companies from creating abusive tax shelters.


Crack Down on Offshore Tax Havens:

Obama will also crack down on the offshore tax havens engaged in shielding tax evaders from justice by refusing to share tax information with us the way all other nations do. This costs us tens of billions of dollars every year. Obama will create an International Tax Evasion Watch List to monitor these countries and will use economic pressure to make them comply. And Obama will penalize any company that reports income from tax havens on the list.
Eliminate Taxes on Investments in Start-Ups and Small Businesses: Obama will also eliminate the capital gains taxation of start-up businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. These provisions, combined with reducing the self-employment tax for small business measures, will ensure that the corporate tax code is not only fair, but also promotes continued economic growth and innovation.
Create a Climate that Promotes Business Innovation
Promote a Regulatory Environment that Enhances Competitiveness: It is important that the U.S. have a robust regulatory system that protects consumers and investors without preventing legal and appropriate entrepreneurial activity. Obama will make sure regulation properly addresses these issues.


Ensure Competitive Markets:

Barack Obama believes we need a business and regulatory landscape in which entrepreneurs and small businesses can thrive, start-ups can launch, and all enterprises can compete effectively – while investors and consumers are protected against bad actors that cross the line. Obama supports the principles behind Sarbanes-Oxley reforms and believes compliance should not be overly burdensome for smaller firms and start-ups. He believes that, because of the importance of competition to our economy, the government has a crucial role to play in ensuring competitive markets.

Investigate Potential Conflict of Interest between Credit Rating Agencies and Financial Institutions: Credit agencies are paid by the issuers of securities, not by the buyers of securities, which creates a potential conflict of interest in favor of issuing strong securities ratings. This problem was illustrated in the subprime market crisis in which credit rating agencies strongly rated subprime mortgage securities even as there were significant indications of large numbers of foreclosures and a weakening housing market. Barack Obama supports an immediate investigation into the ratings agencies and their relationships to securities' issuers, similar to the investigation the EU has recently announced.

Protect Intellectual Property at Home:

Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age. Barack Obama believes we need to update and reform our copyright and patent systems to promote innovation and investment while ensuring that intellectual property owners are fairly treated. He supports reforming our patent laws and using technology to improve the quality of patents the government approves. Patent reform would promote enhanced scientific research and discourage excessive litigation hindering innovation.

Help Low-Income Workers


Help Low-Income Americans Enter the Job Market: Obama's commitment to helping low-income workers began early in his life. After college, Obama worked for a church-based group in Chicago to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued by high unemployment. Obama worked with a group that used charitable grants to assess skills of unemployed workers and help them find jobs. As president, Obama will increase federal investments into transitional jobs, which are a promising way to help chronically unemployed people break into the workplace. This approach places participants into temporary, subsidized wage-paying jobs. It also offers mentoring and social services designed to address the work-blocking problems like personal and family conflicts. Obama also supports funding for bridge programs that partner the federal government with employers and community-based organizations to identify job opportunities, develop customized training programs, and place low-income employees in better jobs. He also supports funding for apprenticeship programs and investments in community college programs that target adults looking to gain new skills.


Create Career Pathways for Workers to Move up the Ladder:

Barack Obama believes that all workers who want a job should not only be able to gain meaningful employment, but also be able to move up the career ladder to further support their families and serve as role models for their children. Obama has introduced legislation to help strengthen career ladders by first identifying regions and industries where career pathways are not fully developed and then establish public-private partnerships to lift up low-wage workers. Obama supports using the successful organized labor model of providing workers with additional skills and opportunities, and looks forward to working with organized labor to build more opportunities for low-income workers to reach economic security.

Provide a Living Wage:

Barack Obama believes that people who work full time should not live in poverty. Before the Democrats took back Congress, the minimum wage had not changed in 10 years. Even though the minimum wage will rise to $7.25 an hour by 2009, the minimum wage's real purchasing power will still be below what it was in 1968. As president, Obama would further raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing -- things so many people take for granted.

Barack Obama's Plan to Provide Universal Health Care Access

Fix Our Health Care Crisis: Nearly 47 million Americans lack health coverage today. In addition to the social costs of worse health, the health care crisis makes many American firms less competitive in global markets, and exacerbates our nation's long-term fiscal imbalances. Barack Obama is committed to signing universal health legislation by the end of his first term in office that ensures all Americans have high-quality, affordable health care. His plan will save a typical American family up to $2,500 a year by providing affordable, comprehensive, and portable health coverage for every American and modernizing the U.S. health care system to contain spiraling health care costs and improve the quality of patient care. For more information on Barack Obama's health care plan.

Barack Obama's Plan for Energy Independence and Creating New Jobs

Barack Obama will implement a cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the level recommended by top scientists. Obama will invest $150 billion over ten years to deploy clean technologies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs. And the Obama plan will reduce oil consumption overall by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels of oil, by 2030 to put America on the path to energy independence.

Invest in U.S. Manufacturing:

The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan not only help strengthen America's energy security and tackle global climate change, but it will also make strategic investments in American workers and American businesses to create millions of new jobs. The Obama plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide specific tax assistance and loan guarantees to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient cars and trucks are build in the U.S. with American workers.

Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies:

The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to engage disconnected and disadvantaged youth. This program will provide youth participants with energy efficiency and environmental service opportunities to improve the energy efficiency of homes and buildings in their communities, while also providing them with practical skills and experience in important career fields of expected high-growth employment. Participants will not only be able to use their training to find new jobs, but also build skills that will help them move up the career ladder over time.

Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs:

The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025. This measure, which builds off what many states across the nation have enacted, has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Barack Obama will also extend the federal Production Tax Credit (PTC), a measure which has been used successfully for years by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
The Obama plan will also enact bold new energy efficiency goals for buildings and appliances, which will both reduce middle class American's monthly electricity bills and help jumpstart the construction and manufacturing industries. Additionally, the Obama plan will provide tax credits for locally-owned biofuel refineries – which have already started to strengthen the economic vitality of rural America.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

He's giving out all of his cards, and then some

How does he intend to pay for everything?

What is his timeline for Iraq?

He uses a lot of words, but there is nothing really there.

=S.A.M.;1728785]How does he intend to pay for everything?

By spending our taxes responsibly, and not voting for, or authorizing senlesss, and costly wars. Giving tax breaks to working class people.



What is his timeline for Iraq?

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda


He uses a lot of words, but there is nothing really there.

No, you just refuse to look. There's a difference.

By spending our taxes responsibly, and not voting for, or authorizing senlesss, and costly wars. Giving tax breaks to working class people.

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda

No, you just refuse to look. There's a difference.


1. What taxes, the economy is in recession. Tax breaks are in the offing, remember?

2. No permanent bases OR troops to protect embassy and diplomats?

=S.A.M.;1728790]1. What taxes, the economy is in recession. Tax breaks are in the offing, remember?

This recession is largely due to the subprime mortgage crisis. And that's being addressed as we speak. This recession will soon be over. Believe me.

2. No permanent bases OR troops to protect embassy and diplomats?

You heard what he said.

What's the reason why you think he can't do much. And do you care to comment on the thread topic? This the best Victory speech ever. If you can point out another video that competes. Please post it.

What has he done? Speeches don't equal effectiveness. I'd like someone to show me what Barrack has actually done?

This recession is largely due to the subprime mortgage crisis. And that's being addressed as we speak. This recession will soon be over. Believe me.

It is? how? By slashing interest rates and flooding the market with liquidity?



You heard what he said.

Yeah, he said no permanent bases, only permanent troops. I guess they'll be sleeping in tents.

What has he done? Speeches don't equal effectiveness. I'd like someone to show me what Barrack has actually done?

Go research his record. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

If you can't tell people what he's done, how do you expect to convince anyone to take your support of him seriously?

=S.A.M.;1728823]It is? how? By slashing interest rates and flooding the market with liquidity?

It worked in 2001 after the 911 attacks. :p




Yeah, he said no permanent bases, only permanent troops. I guess they'll be sleeping in tents.

He never said permenant troops. The troops will be guarding the embassy, and dimplomats only. The troops will carry out strategic attacks when needed. Not endless policing of Iraqi neiborhoods, or clusterbombing civilian areas like we're doing now. He's our best choice hands down.

Yeah, he said no permanent bases, only permanent troops. I guess they'll be sleeping in tents.

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

and

U.S Embassy...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-04-19-us-embassy_x.htm

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/10/18/19/734-20071018-USIRAQ-EMBASSY.large.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

it ain't no tents...allright...:p

If you can't tell people what he's done, how do you expect to convince anyone to take your support of him seriously?

It's not my job to inform the ignorant. ^

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

and

U.S Embassy...
it ain't no tents...allright...:p

Yeah, a base by any other name?

Can you think why the US needs a base as big as 80 football fields in Iraq?

Do you see what I mean? I hear a lot of words, but they don't mean anything.

Yeah, a base by any other name?

Can you think why the US needs a base as big as 80 football fields in Iraq?

you asking me? :bugeye:

to play golf and swim in swimming pool of course...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/06/01/wembassy.jpg

To say Obama is all talk is to say that you don't think he will follow through with what he proposes, I assume?

That's what the words mean to me, but I don't see how any one could think that he wouldn't follow through. Even on his most vague, general slogan about bringing "change", it is obvious he will bring about drastic change. Of course there is a question of how effective he will be in his proposals.

He uses a lot of words, but there is nothing really there.

Or could it be that you are listening to media sound bytes? The media has been picking up on issues of character, and side-issues like race, and generalities for everyone. It isn't because the candidates are lacking in plans. One reason is that most people think the democrats have virtually the same positions on policy, which is somewhat true. Another reason is the media likes to talk about fluff.

As for the spending, the economy and recession, first of all, he is not a miracle worker. I don't know what you can expect. There is no quick fix. Though there are ways to make substantial improvements. The majority of the deficit came from tax cuts to the rich. Taxes will be raised for the rich under Obama. For spending, I'm sure you've heard all the things the money for Iraq could of otherwise paid for.

Reversing Bush policies such as the Iraq war will be a huge improvement all by themselves. Though true of all three democratic contenders, I expect government policy on science to go back to the direction it was in pre-Bush (I have seen things that make this true of Obama and Edwards, not sure about Hillary, but obviously she would know best what direction we were in pre-Bush). I would expect that to be positive for the economy.

Beyond going in the opposite direction of Bush and going towards scientific development, I don't really know much about his economic plans. On a few occasions I've heard him address things such as Detroit's ailing auto industry, and he does not pander. Like with most things, I thought he displayed good, realistic, analytical ability. Like with most things... Obama is future oriented, has modern ideas, and not stuck in the past. I consider that vital for global competition.

I don't know what exactly you are looking for in economic plans. I believe all democratic candidates have given their opinions on trade/trade agreements, the economy in general, taxes, spending, what areas they would invest in...

Yeah, he said no permanent bases, only permanent troops. I guess they'll be sleeping in tents.

Fighting Al Qaeda in the region != permanent base.

Oh yeah, one more thing. :p

The strength of the candidates is all relative. For Obama critics, how is some other candidate better?

I HATE HIM.

Why?

I am voting for Clinton, 4ever

Why? :p


oh gush...the inner me is racist and I hate...I hate....grrrr....

What? :bugeye:


but than he does sound promising as a leader of USA...

So are you like, voting for the worst leader for the USA? Is that better for Russia? :P


I dunno, Clinton is proved to be foolproof by her husband...

Can you elaborate? :p

So are you like, voting for the worst leader for the USA? Is that better for Russia? :P


well emmm...:o .... I am just voting a president with good intentions for Russia...not like McCain's outbursts against Russia...

and Exhumed don't take me seriously, I joke about everything

How many times have Presidents actually done all the things they promised to do during their election campaigns? I think you're voting more for a candidate's principles and their ability to make sound decisions than what they say their plans are before they've even set foot in the oval office. Things rarely go according to plan.

How many times have Presidents actually done all the things they promised to do during their election campaigns? I think you're voting more for a candidate's principles and their ability to make sound decisions than what they say their plans are before they've even set foot in the oval office. Things rarely go according to plan.

Agreed. That is why I like Obama. I think he has good decision making ability.

A good portion of policy decisions are conditional, and no one knows what the future conditions are going to be about a year from now.

Even I like Obama, and will vote for him in November. How much more of a uniter could he be, to attract both Ganymede and Lord Hillyer?

As for Sandy liking Mitt Romney - Good God, are you joking? He makes John Edwards look sincere by comparison.

well emmm...:o .... I am just voting a president with good intentions for Russia...not like McCain's outbursts against Russia...

Who cares, Mccain thinks Putin is the President of Germany. That's the benefit of having a senile adversary.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=36a_1200899945

Even I like Obama, and will vote for him in November. How much more of a uniter could he be, to attract both Ganymede and Lord Hillyer?

Now that's scary.

As for Sandy liking Mitt Romney - Good God, are you joking? He makes John Edwards look sincere by comparison.

Exactly, how can a man who ran to the left of Ted Kennedy get the Republican nomination.

Comedian D.L Hughley said it best.

As for Mitt Romney, I thought the movie Transformers was about a robot. But apparently it's about this muthafucker here

Comedian D.L Hughley said it best.

As for Mitt Romney, I thought the movie Transformers was about a robot. But apparently it's about this muthafucker here

:D hahaha

Huh? We don't control Obama. We want nothing to do with him. I don't trust him. Yeah, he's a good "uniter" speaker. Too bad his church is not interested in "uniting". And too bad he's incapable of uniting anyone. He's a freshman senator with not one accomplishment. He's been running for POTUS since he got to Washington. He will not win.

I liked all of Romney's victory speeches better. We have bigger problems than unity-- like terrorists and criminal aliens.

I assume from what you say that your church is a good uniter. When are you joining forces with the catholics ?

You forgot criminal aliens. They're in the Republican's top 3 issues. There is no recession and there won't be. Unless a democrat is elected.

Plan "B" is right. He has no plan. He has no experience running a state or city. He's an empty suit.:rolleyes:

How could anyone forget about "crimnal aliens" with you banging on about it every five minutes ?

dont forget about criminal aliens and evil evil totally evil and did I mention evil terrorists that terrorize the innocent US army in the terrorists' countries...

But as far as I can see, he won't commit on issues about the war, the economy and the recession.

Anybody who truly believes that with Obama you would get something different than any other of the candidates (except for Paul) is a naive idiot and deserves to get his/her election to be stolen....

Anybody who truly believes that with Obama you would get something different than any other of the candidates (except for Paul) is a naive idiot and deserves to get his/her election to be stolen....

I believe it. Despite your immaculate argument :rolleyes:

It's not my job to inform the ignorant. ^

Tell me one thing he has done. I will look into it...

You forgot criminal aliens. They're in the Republican's top 3 issues. There is no recession and there won't be. Unless a democrat is elected.


*Sigh*

Yes Sandy. The Fed came through with a 75 basis point cut in interest rates and the prediction for another 25 basis point cut in the very near future, because you are not in a recession. The Bush tax stimulus is because you are not at risk or already into another recession.:rolleyes:

You may already be in a recession Sandy. Honestly, your unwillingness to accept fact and what is placed right in front of your very eyes is, well, for lack of a better term, gormless.

Tell me one thing he has done. I will look into it...

He promotes science. Here is a link to things he has done as a Senator: http://obama.senate.gov/press/070920-obama_secures_f_4/

Here is what he proposes to do as President:

a.) "Emphasize the importance of technology literacy, ensuring that all public school children are equipped with the necessary science, technology and math skills to succeed in the 21st century economy."

b.) "Strengthen math and science education to help develop a skilled workforce and promote innovation."

c.) "Work to increase our number of science and engineering graduates, encourage undergraduates studying math and science to pursue graduate studies, and work to increase the representation of minorities and women in the science and technology pipeline, tapping the diversity of America to meet the increasing demand for a skilled workforce."

d.) "Wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multiyear time frames."

e.) Double federal funding for basic research in the sciences.


f.) "Establish a Teaching Service Scholarship program to recruit an army of new [high-quality math and science] teachers. These scholarships will prioritize recruiting math, science and technology degree graduates. Obama will create Teacher Residency Programs to train teachers using mentorship, graduate study and hands-on training to develop 30,000 teachers a year, providing additional teachers in math and science. In addition, Obama will devote $100 million a year to Professional Development Schools to help new teachers, or veteran teacher needing to hone their skills, learn from professionals in the field. Professional Development Schools will partner universities with school sites that exhibit state-of-the-art practices and train new teachers in the classrooms of expert teachers while they are completing coursework."

g.) "Work with governors to create flexible and workable systems for the states to achieve the goal of ensuring all children have access to strong a science curriculum at all grade levels."

h.) "Support state efforts to make science education a priority at the pre-K level."

i.) "Improve and Prioritize Science Assessments: Science assessments need to do more than test facts and concepts. They need to use a range of measures to test inquiry and higher-order thinking skills including inference, logic, data analysis and interpretation, forming questions, and communication. Barack Obama will work with governors and educators to ensure that state assessments measure these skills."

By the way Syzygys, were you going to support your statement, or was it enough to call Obama supporters naive idiots and exit without substantiating your claim?

"Trinity United Church of Christ is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ. It is part of a liberal denomination that was the first to ordain an African American, a woman, and a gay man. Congregants have described it in the New York Times as a "warm and accepting community," and while it is a predominantly African American congregation, people of all backgrounds attend and are enthusiastically welcomed"OWNED!

We've already proven what TUCC is--a church of black supremacy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem/

Obam's Mentor and Pastor honors Louis Farrakhan:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/15/obamas-mentor-and-pastor-honors-louis-farrakhan/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/17/video-michelle-critiques-obamas-messiah-act-on-the-big-story/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/15/la-times-young-obama-went-to-mosque-bowed-to-allah/

:(


This recession is largely due to the subprime mortgage crisis.....

There is no recession despite how badly the liberals want one to blame on W.

What has he done? Speeches don't equal effectiveness. I'd like someone to show me what Barrack has actually done?

He's puffed people up with a lot of bs. :rolleyes:

I assume from what you say that your church is a good uniter. When are you joining forces with the catholics ?

When hell freezes over.

Tell me one thing he has done. I will look into it...

Sounds like you want me to school you in politics. Thank you Count. I'm flattered.

Education

BA in political science (with a specialization in international relations) from Columbia University.

JD Graduate of Harvard Law School (Juris Doctor degree, magna cum laude).

President of the Harvard Law Review (the first ever African American).


Experience:

Civil rights attorney (turned down a prestigious judicial clerkship1)

Constitutional law professor.

Community organizer.

State Senator.

Chairman of the Illinois State Senate Health and Human Services Committee.

US Senator.

Member of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Environment and Public Works Committee, and Veterans ’ Affairs Committee.

Author.

Husband and father of two daughters.

Board member of the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund of Chicago, and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.


Honors:

Grammy award winner "Spoken Word category".

Honored by the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences (for narration of one of his books).


Obama's accomplishments are more substantial and varied than Clinton suggests. And he has a longer record in elected office than she does, as a second-term New York senator.

Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation's premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service.

Obama also fought for student summer jobs and a program to keep at-risk children from dropping out of school. More importantly, say those who worked with Obama, he showed people how to organize and confront powerful interests.

Obama left that job to get a law degree. Afterward, he returned to Chicago and ran Project VOTE. The organization recruited hundreds of registrars to sign up new voters, particularly within the city's black population. Registration jumped nearly 15 points between the 1992 primary and the general election.

The registration wave was credited with making Carol Moseley Braun the first black female senator and helping Bill Clinton carry Illinois in his first presidential race. It also got insiders talking about Obama as a political candidate.

Obama was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996, when Democrats were in the minority. He proposed hundreds of new laws, including universal health care, tougher gun control and expanded welfare, but saw most of them spiked by Republican leadership.

He did have some successes, though — particularly in passing legislation sharply restricting the gifts that Illinois politicians could accept from lobbyists. Illinois has notoriously weak government ethics laws, and the Gift Ban Act was the first major new restriction since the Watergate era.


When Democrats gained a majority in the Senate, Obama's political mentor, Senate President Emil Jones, gave him high-profile assignments, including two contentious issues involving police — videotaped interrogations and racial profiling.

Police weren't happy about recording their interrogations of murder suspects or having to study racial bias in traffic stops. Initially, they opposed both pieces of legislation.

But Obama made clear that something was going to pass with or without their support. Ultimately, police groups endorsed both bills and they won unanimous approval in the Senate.

He teamed with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.

Obama also joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.


Is this enough to get you started Count? The ability to read is a virtue.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_on_el_pr/obama_s_record

=sandy;1728941]We've already proven what TUCC is--a church of black supremacy:


You didn't prove shit. He was raised by his WHITE mom, and his WHITE grandparents. He wasn't raised by Blacks.

I believe it.

OK, name the 3 policies in that he is different. As SAM pointed out, he hasn't said anything about a complete Iraqi withdrawal...

By the way Syzygys, were you going to support your statement, or was it enough to call Obama supporters naive idiots and exit without substantiating your claim?

If you noticed, I made a negative statement (he is NOT different). It is rather hard to prove a negative. I would say you have to prove first that he IS different...

OK, name the 3 policies in that he is different. As SAM pointed out, he hasn't said anything about a complete Iraqi withdrawal...

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda


You were saying?

If you noticed, I made a negative statement (he is NOT different). It is rather hard to prove a negative. I would say you have to prove first that he IS different...

He voted against Iraq. No more proof is needed.

lol, this is at least the second time ganymede has brought up troop withdrawal in this thread.

As SAM pointed out, he hasn't said anything about a complete Iraqi withdrawal...

Really, and you called Obama supporters naive.

If you noticed, I made a negative statement (he is NOT different). It is rather hard to prove a negative. I would say you have to prove first that he IS different...

Er, you can sometimes. I can prove I'm not a silicon based life form. You can prove he is not the same as Hillary and Edwards if you establish some acceptable criteria.

But... it is pretty easy to prove he is different. Particularly to Hillary. Their policies are different, their histories are different, their style is different.

What an inclusive and inspiring speech. Love him or hate him, he's definately a uniter. I've never seen any politician since JFK speak in such an inclusive manner.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iVAPH_EcmQ

Eh Dr. Paul does, but yeah while I am totally opposed to Obama on pretty much every policy that I've ever heard him announce, he sounds like the kinda guy that I'd love to have over for a beer.

=angrybellsprout;1729001]Eh Dr. Paul does, but yeah while I am totally opposed to Obama on pretty much every policy that I've ever heard him announce, he sounds like the kinda guy that I'd love to have over for a beer.

Do you opposse his middle class tax cut? I couldn't imagine why you would. Unless you make over 200k a year, then I understand:p

It worked in 2001 after the 911 attacks. :p

Considering where we are now, I wouldn't say it worked. The 911 returns were nothing but a bandaid on something that needed surgery. The problem as a whole is because of overspending and then borrowing to pay for what we spend. In the past we've been able to depend on foreign lenders to maintain this system because of high interest rates and a strong dollar that made borrowing look attractive. But now with interests rates repeatedly being cut and a falling dollar, we're losing the likelihood of being able to continue to run our economy this way. That's why SAM's question of how Obama will pay for everything is a valid one. Big spending is the problem, and it's why I'm having trouble stomaching any of the candidates, Democrat or Republican, right now except for one.

And yes, McCain is fucking nuts.

"Trinity United Church of Christ is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ. It is part of a liberal denomination that was the first to ordain an African American, a woman, and a gay man. Congregants have described it in the New York Times as a "warm and accepting community," and while it is a predominantly African American congregation, people of all backgrounds attend and are enthusiastically welcomed"

OWNED!

So you would consider a church that calls for its followers to have a commitment to the white community, white work ethic, white family and a pledge to allocate regularly a portion of personal resources for strengthing and supporting white institutions as a church that promotes unity?

The middle class aren't paying any taxes as it is. The rich pay most of the taxes in the USA. The top 25% of wage earners pay 86% of all the taxes.
The top 50% pay 97% of all taxes. The top 1% pay 39%, UP 2% from when W took office.:rolleyes:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

The middle class aren't paying any taxes as it is. The rich pay most of the taxes in the USA. The top 25% of wage earners pay 86% of all the taxes.
The top 50% pay 97% of all taxes. The top 1% pay 39%, UP 2% from when W took office.:rolleyes:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

you have no idea what your talking about the middle class pays a fair amount of taxes and are probably taxed to much

So you would consider a church that calls for its followers to have a commitment to the white community, white work ethic, white family and a pledge to allocate regularly a portion of personal resources for strengthing and supporting white institutions as a church that promotes unity?

HA! Oh hell no. They would call it a racist bigot church like they call everything else white. :rolleyes:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/war-spending-chart.gif

We have the money to satisfy all of America's needs. It's just that we spend the money irresponsibly.

Considering where we are now, I wouldn't say it worked. The 911 returns were nothing but a bandaid on something that needed surgery. The problem as a whole is because of overspending and then borrowing to pay for what we spend. In the past we've been able to depend on foreign lenders to maintain this system because of high interest rates and a strong dollar that made borrowing look attractive. But now with interests rates repeatedly being cut and a falling dollar, we're losing the likelihood of being able to continue to run our economy this way. That's why SAM's question of how Obama will pay for everything is a valid one. Big spending is the problem, and it's why I'm having trouble stomaching any of the candidates, Democrat or Republican, right now except for one.

And yes, McCain is fucking nuts.

It would probably be difficult to quantify and prove either way, but I would wager we'd lessen the debt more with the Democratic candidates than Ron Paul, even with his strict stance against further borrowing.

Raising taxes and reducing military spending will go a long, long way.

Where does Ron Paul expect to get the money for his "great" wall to keep out Mexicans? :p

......


Yeah, preventing evil muslim terrorists from blowing us to Mecca is a waste. :rolleyes:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/war-spending-chart.gif

We have the money to satisfy all of America's needs. It's just that we spend the money irresponsibly.

Does that include Iraq?

Yeah, preventing evil muslim terrorists from blowing us to Mecca is a waste. :rolleyes:

You're spending money to make more terrorists when there was barely a threat before. Congratulations.

Oh yeah, one more thing. :p

The strength of the candidates is all relative. For Obama critics, how is some other candidate better?

While Obama is better than Hitlery, he is far inferior to Dr. Paul.

Obama has talked about attacking Pakistan, and keeping large numbers of troops in the fertile cresent.

Obama has suggested that he is going to write disciplinary codes for every public school in the USA from DC.

Obama doesn't seem to want to do much to tackle the problem of nondiscretionary spending.

Those are a few examples of why Dr. Paul >> Obama

We're not making more terrorists. They're coming over from Iran and Syria. (hell)

So you would consider a church that calls for its followers to have a commitment to the white community, white work ethic, white family and a pledge to allocate regularly a portion of personal resources for strengthing and supporting white institutions as a church that promotes unity?

Nope.

Do you opposse his middle class tax cut? I couldn't imagine why you would. Unless you make over 200k a year, then I understand:p

I'd much rather see the flat tax implimented, and have mixed feelings for the fair tax.

We're not making more terrorists. They're coming over from Iran and Syria. (hell)

um do you even pay attention to the geopolitical sitution in the middle east. us invading iraq created more terrorists and it is being use3d as a recruiting tool. bin laden wanted us to invade iraq for that very reason

Nope.

Why not?

How is that not the kind of spirit that is that of a true uniter?

I mean it is the kind of stuff that Obama's church is about, except you replace white with black.

Does that include Iraq?

It doesn't matter because either way the debt would be insane, thus proving that Obama doesn't seem to explain how to get the money to pay for his tax cuts.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/war-spending-chart.gif

We have the money to satisfy all of America's needs. It's just that we spend the money irresponsibly.

That money is still money that's been borrowed. You're missing the point. If that same money was spent at home instead of abroad, we'd still have the same problems we do today.

It would probably be difficult to quantify and prove either way, but I would wager we'd lessen the debt more with the Democratic candidates than Ron Paul, even with his strict stance against further borrowing.

Raising taxes and reducing military spending will go a long, long way.

Where does Ron Paul expect to get the money for his "great" wall to keep out Mexicans? :p

Considering that Paul would remove troops from Iraq immediately, and not leave any bases, I'm not sure why you think he'd be inferior in terms of reducing military spending. Do you know what our income tax pays for right now? Interest. Interest in all the debt that we've accumulated thus far, and that's it. Raising taxes but continuing to spend big will only continue this. Paul would also make sure that our spending does not continue to grow and will, as a first step, freeze spending to today's levels.

But this isn't a thread about Paul's policies. It's about Obama's victory speech, or it was anyway. Now it's about Obama's policies.

We've already proven what TUCC is--a church of black supremacy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem/

Obam's Mentor and Pastor honors Louis Farrakhan:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/15/obamas-mentor-and-pastor-honors-louis-farrakhan/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/17/video-michelle-critiques-obamas-messiah-act-on-the-big-story/
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/15/la-times-young-obama-went-to-mosque-bowed-to-allah/




I just want to say that Malkin is a very yummy lookin little brown girl.

1) I heard Obama's victory speech, and it was great. He's definitely the most passionate speaker, and is ten times better than Hillary "I voted for the war but now I'm totally against it" Clinton.

2) The only active candidate who will end the war in Iraq is Ron Paul.

That money is still money that's been borrowed..

Since when were taxes considered borrowed income? :rolleyes:

I just want to say that Malkin is a very yummy lookin little brown girl.

Yes. She's adorable. :D

That money is still money that's been borrowed. You're missing the point. If that same money was spent at home instead of abroad, we'd still have the same problems we do today.



Considering that Paul would remove troops from Iraq immediately, and not leave any bases, I'm not sure why you think he'd be inferior in terms of reducing military spending. Do you know what our income tax pays for right now? Interest. Interest in all the debt that we've accumulated thus far, and that's it. Raising taxes but continuing to spend big will only continue this. Paul would also make sure that our spending does not continue to grow and will, as a first step, freeze spending to today's levels.

But this isn't a thread about Paul's policies. It's about Obama's victory speech, or it was anyway. Now it's about Obama's policies.

I doubt that Dr. Paul would reduce the size of the military, and he would hopefully expand it. The important thing is that he would dump the vast majority of our military positions outside of the USA. This would end the problem of capital flight that we have been dealing with for decades, and would provide more troops free on the homefront to help in the Rio Grande Valley, not to mention more military spouses free to be productive members of the American economy.

Since when were taxes considered borrowed income? :rolleyes:

Since when did China pay us taxes?

You didn't prove shit. He was raised by his WHITE mom, and his WHITE grandparents. He wasn't raised by Blacks.


That would be like saying someone in the KKK couldn't be racist if they were raised by their BLACK mom, and their BLACK grandparents...

He voted against Iraq. No more proof is needed.

How dd he vote against Iraq when he wasn't in the senate in 2003?

Why not?

How is that not the kind of spirit that is that of a true uniter?

I mean it is the kind of stuff that Obama's church is about, except you replace white with black.


Having White, Black, or Brown Pride isn't racist.

That's my impression too.

For some reason, I do not think he can actually DO much.

I saw the debate with Hillary and Edwards in N? or S? Carolina.

Found him very disappointing.

That's because Hillary and Edwards knew that they needed to attack him constantly. Why? Duh! It's South Carolina, so it's obvious Obama was going to win.

This the best Victory speech ever. If you can point out another video that competes. Please post it.
I watched it...but he didnt say anything concrete.

Everyone has heard these political platitudes a million times over.

Everyone has heard these political platitudes a million times over.

Yes, but because he's black it's different.

Where does Ron Paul expect to get the money for his "great" wall to keep out Mexicans? :p

I'm sure that eliminating much of the capital flight problem, cutting massive amounts of pork, abolishing the dept of education and other uncontitutional government agencies and cutting down on the cost of entitlement programs would provide plenty of money to pay for the wall to defend our southern border, might even leave him enough money to perform a government action similar to operation wetback.

Having White, Black, or Brown Pride isn't racist.

So again, why do you believe that a church with those commitments to the white family, work ethic, community, et cetera wouldn't be the sign of uniters?

I watched it...but he didnt say anything concrete.

Everyone has heard these political platitudes a million times over.

:m:

Since when were taxes considered borrowed income? :rolleyes:

Hah! Do you really think all of our federal budget is paid for by taxes? The total federal revenue for 2007 was 2.4 trillion. The budget was 2.8 trillion. Already you see a .4 trillion that we didn't pay for. The war on terror according to your graph? Only .16 trillion. Then you tack on the fact that our current debt is 9 trillion. And you still think taxes are what's paying for all that money that you'd rather spend at home??? My point is that money shouldn't even be spent!

So again, why do you believe that a church with those commitments to the white family, work ethic, community, et cetera wouldn't be the sign of uniters?

Why are you so fixated on words? Judge people by their actions, name one thing that Barack's Church has done to keep you, or the White man down?

Why are you so fixated on words? Judge people by their actions, name one thing that Barack's Church has done to keep you, or the White man down?

I think the problem that he has is that Barack is associated with that church to begin with. Would you join a Church, or any organization, that advocates white power?

Obama seems to me like he would make a great leader to the people, but would he be a great leader in America's infrastructure? I'm just afraid he will end up all talk, like our last president. :rolleyes:

Hah! Do you really think all of our federal budget is paid for by taxes? The total federal revenue for 2007 was 2.4 trillion. The budget was 2.8 trillion. Already you see a .4 trillion that we didn't pay for. The war on terror according to your graph? Only .16 trillion. Then you tack on the fact that our current debt is 9 trillion. And you still think taxes are what's paying for all that money that you'd rather spend at home??? My point is that money shouldn't even be spent!

And that's where you and I disagree. Now move on.

And that's the problem I have with practically all the Republican and Democrat candidates, excluding Paul and including Obama. This idea that we can continue to spend like this is preposterous and dangerous.

The question that SAM brought up and that you tossed aside as if it were unimportant was how would Obama pay for everything? Looks like your answer is "the same way Bush pays for everything."

The church is black-centric and not very welcoming to anyone of other races. Pastor Wright is a demagogue with racist tendencies. He is by his own admission a radical, and not in a good way. He’s about an inch from being a black separatist if you go by some of his rhetoric. Wright’s relationship with a man who wants to be president is relevant, but it’s not hard to see why Obama might be reluctant to answer hard questions about Wright-- his mentor. Obama owes voters clarification on where he does and does not agree with Wright. Does Obama agree with Wright that the US is the “United States of white America?” Is he running for the for the presidency of that country, or the one that actually exists?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem

I think the problem that he has is that Barack is associated with that church to begin with. Would you join a Church, or any organization, that advocates white power?


It's not a Black Power church. Black Empowerment means taking pride in yourself, and community. Just like the thousands of all white clubs that exist.

So you'd have no problems with joining a white empowerment club then?

The church is black-centric and not very welcoming to anyone of other races. Pastor Wright is a demagogue with racist tendencies. He is by his own admission a radical, and not in a good way. He’s about an inch from being a black separatist if you go by some of his rhetoric. Wright’s relationship with a man who wants to be president is relevant, but it’s not hard to see why Obama might be reluctant to answer hard questions about Wright-- his mentor. Obama owes voters clarification on where he does and does not agree with Wright. Does Obama agree with Wright that the US is the “United States of white America?” Is he running for the for the presidency of that country, or the one that actually exists?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem

Ok, Sandy, we know your opinion. Why do you post the same shit 8 days a week?

So you'd have no problems with joining a white empowerment club then?

Nope. I love helping and empowering people of all races.

“United States of white America?” Is he running for the for the presidency of that country, or the one that actually exists?

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem

WTF?! There is no such thing as United states of White America!!! Races do not exist!! There is only and was always only The United Staes of America. Get it right. :mad:

So you'd have no problems with joining a white empowerment club then?

I'd love to see one of these 'white empowerment' clubs, and not simply people who want to pretend they are really eurofags when their bloodline has been in the USA for hundreds of years.

trouble is, he is going to steal precious votes from Hillary...so in the end of the tag-war between Obama and Hillary...the evil McCain will come out victorious.

...

It doesn't work that way. There will be one Democratic nominee and one Republican nominee.

WTF?! There is no such thing as United states of White America!!! Races do not exist!! There is only and was always only The United Staes of America. Get it right. :mad:

Liberals are constantly going on about the united states of white america or you hear crap about amerikkka...

I'd love to see one of these 'white empowerment' clubs, and not simply people who want to pretend they are really eurofags when their bloodline has been in the USA for hundreds of years.

"African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior".

It doesn't work that way. There will be one Democratic nominee and one Republican nominee.

Yeah but in the end all those who supported Obama will in the end decide to support McCain because of their dislike of Hillary.

Yeah but in the end all those who supported Obama will in the end decide to support McCain because of their dislike of Hillary.

I've definitely heard this sentiment before. But at the same time, there are many Republicans who can't stomach the thought of voting for McCain either. They're just going to sit out of the election.

Ok, Sandy, we know your opinion. Why do you post the same shit 8 days a week?

Because YOU just don't/won't get it.

WTF?! There is no such thing as United states of White America!!! Races do not exist!! There is only and was always only The United Staes of America. Get it right. :mad:

Tell that to Obama's pastor. He's the one who said it.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem/

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Commitment to AFRICA???:confused:

Because YOU just don't/won't get it.



Tell that to Obama's pastor. He's the one who said it.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/02/obamas-pastor-problem/

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Commitment to AFRICA???:confused:

he gets it.

I've definitely heard this sentiment before. But at the same time, there are many Republicans who can't stomach the thought of voting for McCain either. They're just going to sit out of the election.

I reallly see Dr. Paul jumping on the Libertarian or Reform Party ticket.

"African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior".

Keep telling yourself that...

What do I care about Obama's pastor? His religion will have absolotley nothing to do with the fact of him being president, IF he can run the country.

I reallly see Dr. Paul jumping on the Libertarian or Reform Party ticket.

I don't. All he'd be doing is siphoning votes from both parties, and the Republicans will hate him and blame him if a Democrat wins the presidency. It would be pointless. A third party candidate has no chance of winning.

Commitment to AFRICA???:confused:


I thought that you knew, our real commitment shouldn't be to poor Americans, but to poor Africans, and only to all the poor Africans.

I don't. All he'd be doing is siphoning votes from both parties, and the Republicans will hate him and blame him if a Democrat wins the presidency. It would be pointless. A third party candidate has no chance of winning.

If you get Hitlery and McCain, then I see Dr. Paul getting a good chance.

I'd love to see one of these 'white empowerment' clubs, and not simply people who want to pretend they are really eurofags when their bloodline has been in the USA for hundreds of years.

The West Side Irish-American Club was founded in 1931 as a second home for the Irish community of the west side of Cleveland, Ohio. For over 70 years we have nurtured our heritage through concerts, plays, fund raising events, and social events.

The Club has an Irish Pub in the main building for WSIA members and their families and provides a relaxing atmosphere for maintaining friendships and making new friends too.

Our 29 acres of beautiful grounds has facilities for weddings, business events, sport outings, and private parties. A one acre lake with an island in the shape of Ireland provides for fishing as well as beauty.


http://www.wsia-club.org/


Chicago-Scots
Our Mission

To nourish the Scottish identity in Illinois by serving the community of Scots, our families, and our friends, and by celebrating both traditional and contemporary Scottish culture.

http://www.chicago-scots.org/about-us.html

A Synopsis of our Club’s History:

The German-American Social Club of Cape Coral was founded as a non-political organization in July 1964 with a charter membership of 34. Willy Gruetzenbach, one of the prime movers in its formation, was elected to serve as president. The purpose of the Club, then and now, is to promote good fellowship with a variety of social activities, to perpetuate traditional German festivals such as Oktoberfest, Karneval, Costume Balls, Folk Dances, etc., and to stimulate interest in the German language and customs.

http://www.gasc-capecoral.com/e_start.htm


Hmmm, promoting GERMAN culture? Why can't they promote Human culture? You see, they're German supremcists, and Germans are White. Which means they're White Supremicists. AMRITE?

Please tell me, what's different in Baracks Church, and these groups.

What do I care about Obama's pastor? His religion will have absolotley nothing to do with the fact of him being president, IF he can run the country.

So if a canidate was associated with an organization that promoted white power, then you'd vote for him?

If you get Hitlery and McCain, then I see Dr. Paul getting a good chance.

The same was said of the nomination. If you get Romney and McCain, then I see Dr. Paul getting a good chance. How's that sentiment worked out?

The West Side Irish-American Club was founded in 1931 as a second home for the Irish community of the west side of Cleveland, Ohio. For over 70 years we have nurtured our heritage through concerts, plays, fund raising events, and social events.

The Club has an Irish Pub in the main building for WSIA members and their families and provides a relaxing atmosphere for maintaining friendships and making new friends too.

Our 29 acres of beautiful grounds has facilities for weddings, business events, sport outings, and private parties. A one acre lake with an island in the shape of Ireland provides for fishing as well as beauty.

http://www.wsia-club.org/


Chicago-Scots
Our Mission

To nourish the Scottish identity in Illinois by serving the community of Scots, our families, and our friends, and by celebrating both traditional and contemporary Scottish culture.

http://www.chicago-scots.org/about-us.html

A Synopsis of our Club’s History:

The German-American Social Club of Cape Coral was founded as a non-political organization in July 1964 with a charter membership of 34. Willy Gruetzenbach, one of the prime movers in its formation, was elected to serve as president. The purpose of the Club, then and now, is to promote good fellowship with a variety of social activities, to perpetuate traditional German festivals such as Oktoberfest, Karneval, Costume Balls, Folk Dances, etc., and to stimulate interest in the German language and customs.

http://www.gasc-capecoral.com/e_start.htm


Hmmm, promoting GERMAN culture? Why can't they promote Human culture? You see, they're German supremcists, and Germans are White. Which means they're White Supremicists. AMRITE?

Please tell me, that's different in Baracks Church, and these groups.


I'd love to see one of these 'white empowerment' clubs, and not simply people who want to pretend they are really eurofags when their bloodline has been in the USA for hundreds of years.

lrn2read kthxbi

The same was said of the nomination. If you get Romney and McCain, then I see Dr. Paul getting a good chance. How's that sentiment worked out?

I never heard that statement.

lrn2read kthxbi

It's the same fucking thing. CYA later. you won't be missed from this thread.

We've had scores of queries about the accuracy of this one. It's bunk. For one thing, the church welcomes whites, according to a University of Chicago professor of divinity who says he has attended. And while its controversial pastor is a fiery advocate for blacks and liberal causes and a fierce critic of anti-black discrimination, we've seen no evidence that he preaches hatred of or discrimination against whites.

This has been debunked by Newsweek and Snopes.com.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp

Kinda like how this site isn't really just a way to make sure that you don't accidentally give your money to a white devil or indian doctor?

http://www.findablackdoctor.com ?

Yeah but in the end all those who supported Obama will in the end decide to support McCain because of their dislike of Hillary.

If Hillary wins the nomination. But what if it's Obama against McCain? Obama will take McCain's independent vote.

Kinda like how this site isn't really just a way to make sure that you don't accidentally give your money to a white devil or indian doctor?

http://www.findablackdoctor.com ?

If you want to debate White VS Black. Start another thread. Please.

If Hillary wins the nomination. But what if it's Obama against McCain? Obama will take McCain's independent vote.

This is true, not to mention the Republicans that won't vote for McCain. Obama is the Democrats' best chance at getting the presidency.

Hence why Dr. Paul should run 3rd party.

Hence why Dr. Paul should run 3rd party.

Start another thread on that if you're so eager to discuss it. It doesn't have much reason to be in an Obama thread.

Obama completes endorsement sweep of loathsome Massachusetts senators:

Kerry and Kennedy have endorsed Obama. I'd say "no thanks" if I were him. :eek:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/27/obama-completes-endorsement-sweep-of-loathsome-massachusetts-senators/

First Oprah, then these two losers. Obama should run, very fast, very far away...

Obama completes endorsement sweep of loathsome Massachusetts senators:

Kerry and Kennedy have endorsed Obama. I'd say "no thanks" if I were him. :eek:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/27/obama-completes-endorsement-sweep-of-loathsome-massachusetts-senators/

First Oprah, then these two losers. Obama should run, very fast, very far away...

Nope, you just hate Americans. Thanks for doing the terrorists job for them;)

Nope, you just hate Americans. Thanks for doing the terrorists job for them;)

Nope. Wrong again, bucko. I HATE terrorists and criminal alien immigration. It is one of my goals in life to destroy both. I must admit I don't like rabid liberals all that much...:D

I must admit I don't like rabid liberals all that much...:D

Does this mean you don't like sick, twisted, and insane commiunist liberals like me? :D

Commie. :mad:

Commie. :mad:

Capitalist. :mad:

Commie. :mad:

Actually I should have said socialist or Leninist. But thanks ;)

(or to be more recent: Putinist!!)

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway:

Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims. "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up', and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!" :eek:

Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America. "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 911. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns." :eek:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887

:eek:

It's a shame. He brings up some issues that need to be discussed but his reasoning and presentation of that them are just terrible and end up keeping the discussion from happening. But yes, I'm surprised that Obama is associated with such a guy. At the same time though, I don't think he should be lambasted for having the association. We should be judging Obama based on his platform and rhetoric, and until he says or directly agrees with some of the things that Rev. Wright says, I won't hold it against him.

Wright is Obama's mentor and pastor. The relationship is sacred. Obama wrote his book about him. He says he is proud of Wright who also praises Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrahkan who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers." :eek:

Obama did not distance himself from Wright or disavow his praise for Farrakhan. :eek:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887

It's easy to be someone's mentor and pastor without having that someone believe in everything you say. I still don't think this should be used against Obama.