Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

It should most definitely not be banned. I don't smoke, but if somebody else wants to, I think that's there right.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

i understand what your saying, cant you go and shoot the neighbour? :bugeye:

and has for banning smoking has from 1st july you cannot smoke in any public place in the uk,

and yes it should be banned

It should most definitely not be banned. I don't smoke, but if somebody else wants to, I think that's there right.
It should also be my right to protect my family from being poisoned in my own fucking home, eh? :bugeye:

But I can't call the police over this. So how would you explain this? :bugeye:

i understand what your saying, cant you go and shoot the neighbour? :bugeye:
No. That's against the law... :bugeye:

No. That's against the law... :bugeye:

yeah true!! it pisses me of, smokers can kill us non smokers slowly but we cant do anything to them!! assholes!!

What about talking to the neighbor and trying to resolve it, ro come to some agreement?

If it really is causing actual harm to your family, then there must be some legal action you can take.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

violence solves problems :) smack him in the face with a bamboo stick a good few times.

i hate people being allowed to smoke in public, like me and my wife will be walking down the street behind somebody unnaware, and then suddenly a huge cloud of smoke will blow back into my wifes face, and it makes her start coughing and she is pregnant she doesent need that,


and i cant even snap his neck because i will be arrested, what a world. we can kill people with smoke and dirty pollution fumes. but can i break some guys legs for harming my wife and unborn child, ofcourse not thats unsociable,


peace

It should most definitely not be banned. I don't smoke, but if somebody else wants to, I think that's there right.

so you dont mind me comming up to you and smacking your teeth out?

doing harm is doing harm,


peace.

What about talking to the neighbor and trying to resolve it, ro come to some agreement?

If it really is causing actual harm to your family, then there must be some legal action you can take.

ofcourse second hand smoke causes harm to people, if you inhale all of those dirty toxins its not going to do any good.

there is no law saying people are not allowed to harm others by smoking, because the government make too much money from tobacco. laws are only made to help the government not to actualy care for the community.

peace.

If you buy a house, you wouldn't have this problem. ;)

Shut up! :D

the renting is better argument has been defeated.

peace.

I hate people being allowed to smoke in public. Yeah sure you do. And some of us are pretty short-tempered with people who get married too young, have children too young, and haven't prepared themselves with a career that provides them with proper housing to have a family in the first place. Then you start complaining that we don't pay enough taxes for your kids to have a nice school, that we drive too fast for your untethered kids to play in an unfenced yard, that our TV is too smutty for your kids to watch at 10pm when they should be in bed...

Yeah sure you do. And some of us are pretty short-tempered with people who get married too young, have children too young, and haven't prepared themselves with a career that provides them with proper housing to have a family in the first place. Then you start complaining that we don't pay enough taxes for your kids to have a nice school, that we drive too fast for your untethered kids to play in an unfenced yard, that our TV is too smutty for your kids to watch at 10pm when they should be in bed...


yeah that was real relevant to the thread.


why should somebody be allowed to blow a shit load of chemical toxins into my pregnant wifes face and make her cough her guts out?

if i am out with my newborn child in the future, do you think its ok for some guy to blow smoke in my babies face? would you be impressed if your newborn baby had hundreds of poisonous chemicals blown in its face?


am i allowed to go and spray toxic fumes from a can into somebodies face?


peace.

I would rather ban people living on top one and other like rats.

I would rather ban people living on top one and other like rats.

then you have to ban reproduction first.

peoples attitudes nowdays are "well there is pollution in the air anyway, so some more wont hurt"

(not saying thats your attitude)

peace.

If the house you're renting is supposed to be non-smoking then call the landlord. If it's not then move to one that is. Pretty simple.

"House smells like smoke" to "person blowing smoke right in my babies face" is a pretty huge leap too. Lets be realistic here...

70-80% of second hand smoke fumes are invisible, and his wife is pregnant, so a newborn baby will be in the house soon enough, and if you can smell smoke that means the invisible toxins are present,

so technically smoke in a babies face is very to the point, just because you cant see the toxins doesent mean they are not causing damage, especialy when pregnant people and babies are concerned, do you know how easily a fragile babies lungs can be damaged?

peace.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself.

You keep saying "house", but what you mean is "apartment", right?

And if that's true, how does the smoke get into your apartment? If it comes in the window, ..well, I know this might be hard to grasp, but you could close the window.

I'm also curious ...if you get this angry and upset about a little cigarette smoke, you must be absolutely livid and murderous about the car exhaust that gets into your apartment through the very same window ...which you don't know how to close.

Baron Max

Tar
Arsenic
Cadmium and nickel
Vinyl chloride
Creosote
Formaldehyde
Polonium 210


not to mention nicotine, a very deadly substance more addictive than heroin, that not only effects the body but also alters the mind, great for a pregnant woman and baby to have to suffer.


for a modern "advanced society" we sure are a bunch of wankers arent we.


peace.

When you live amongst other people, you sometimes have to deal with things you don't like. You do have a choice of where you live. You can either live among smokers, or you can find a non-smoking apartment to live in.

You keep saying "house", but what you mean is "apartment", right?

And if that's true, how does the smoke get into your apartment? If it comes in the window, ..well, I know this might be hard to grasp, but you could close the window.

I'm also curious ...if you get this angry and upset about a little cigarette smoke, you must be absolutely livid and murderous about the car exhaust that gets into your apartment through the very same window ...which you don't know how to close.

Baron Max

car fumes dont contain as much deadly ingredients as smoking does.

peace.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....
since i have quit i am on your side.
but, you must admit that there are far worst poisons being pumped into our oceans and air by big business right?

and the military, who can forget the military with their tons upon tons of nerve gas?

We're talking about a smell from a guy smoking in a seperate part of the house. It's not healthy, but it's also not nearly as harmful as it would be if he were blowing the smoke in the baby's face all the time.

Doesn't change anything though, he (apparently) lives in place that allows smoking. If he doesn't like it he can move to a non-smoking area, god knows there's plenty of those around.

We're talking about a smell from a guy smoking in a seperate part of the house. It's not healthy, but it's also not nearly as harmful as it would be if he were blowing the smoke in the baby's face all the time.

Doesn't change anything though, he (apparently) lives in place that allows smoking. If he doesn't like it he can move to a non-smoking area, god knows there's plenty of those around.

maybe he cant afford to move right away, maybe he is saving up for his child and cannot get a deposit to lay down on a new apartment. or maybe he is not allowed to leave the apartment yet because the contract is not up.


maybe he wants to move to a non smoking place but because of current situations he is unnable to.

we should ask before jumping to assumptions.


peace.

maybe he cant afford to move right away, maybe he is saving up for his child and cannot get a deposit to lay down on a new apartment. or maybe he is not allowed to leave the apartment yet because the contract is not up.


maybe he wants to move to a non smoking place but because of current situations he is unnable to.

we should ask before jumping to assumptions.


peace.
Maybe he should have thought about those things before he moved into that place, especially if he's that opposed to smoking. He could try asking the guy to smoke outside, but presumably the guy has every right to be smoking there.

maybe he cant afford to move right away, maybe he is saving up for his child and cannot get a deposit to lay down on a new apartment. or maybe he is not allowed to leave the apartment yet because the contract is not up.

Well, he has enough to lay out each month for Internet service ...that's about, what, $50 per month. And with the time he spends here at sciforums, he could get a second job and make still more money. Hell, he could move out in a month or so!!

So ....is it really all that important to him, or did he just want to complain about something???

Baron Max

Maybe he should have thought about those things before he moved into that place, especially if he's that opposed to smoking. He could try asking the guy to smoke outside, but presumably the guy has every right to be smoking there.

maybe he used to smoke :)


peace.

Well, he has enough to lay out each month for Internet service ...that's about, what, $50 per month. And with the time he spends here at sciforums, he could get a second job and make still more money. Hell, he could move out in a month or so!!

So ....is it really all that important to him, or did he just want to complain about something???

Baron Max

maybe he wanted something to rant about, i usualy find an anti american thread when i want to vent some negative energy, :)

i think its important to him when he can smell smoke and it triggers the reaction, bt when he cant smell it then it doesent bother him,

and his wife is pregnant so he needs to pass on the bs thats thrown his way somehow


peace.

There's a thunderstorm brewin, time to go photograph some lightning :D

There's a thunderstorm brewin, time to go photograph some lightning :D

i have never thought of doing that. whenever i hear a storm my reaction is always "quick run outside bear chested and train"

i love it when it hails stones the size of golfballs (not so often), im like yeah its on!. lets rumble mother nature.

lucky i live in england whre we dont get tornados, i wouldent want to have to whoop its ass, i would like to take shots of lightning. is it hard to get it fast enough before it goes away?


peace.

It's easier at night since you can just keep the shutter open for a few minutes at a time. During the day I might get 1 or 2 shots of lightning per roll of film, but they're worth it :D

Went from +25 to an all out thunderstorm with hail in just under an hour, gotta love the weather sometimes :eek:

It's easier at night since you can just keep the shutter open for a few minutes at a time. During the day I might get 1 or 2 shots of lightning per roll of film, but they're worth it :D

Went from +25 to an all out thunderstorm with hail in just under an hour, gotta love the weather sometimes :eek:

i love extreams of the weather, especialy watching clouds thunder across the skyline at high speeds. here in england we get very strange weather changes,

one second it can be a clear and sunny day, then 10 mins later bang a full on thunderstorm, it is not strange for it to be sunny/warm/rainy/snowing all in the same day here,

english weather is unpredictable, you will go out in shorts and a t shirt and come back needing tim boots jeans and a huge jacket, or the other way around.

peace.

Why should somebody be allowed to blow a shit load of chemical toxins into my pregnant wife's face and make her cough her guts out? If I am out with my newborn child in the future, do you think its ok for some guy to blow smoke in my baby's face? Would you be impressed if your newborn baby had hundreds of poisonous chemicals blown in its face? Am i allowed to go and spray toxic fumes from a can into somebody's face?You seem to have trouble grasping the subtle distinction between personal space and public space. You must live in one of those European nanny-state socialist worker's paradises, where there's no privacy and everything is everybody else's business. I am not defending anyone's right to blow smoke or toxic fumes into anyone's face in a public place, or even outdoors. What I am defending is the right of each one of us to do whatever the hell we want in the privacy of our own home. I even understand the concept of compromise and reasonable limits. I don't expect to be able to practice my electric bass at performance volume at 3am or to establish an indoor skunk farm... unless I'm back home on my five-acre lot in California, which we bought precisely because the neighbors are too far away to hear or smell anything we do.

Dammit, the Red Party--oops I keep forgetting it's the Green Party now--has not taken over the world yet. People get to smoke inside their homes. If his precious little baby's respiratory system is so bloody sensitive that he has an allergic reaction to somebody smoking on the next floor, then he is a one-percenter and he's just going to have to make accommodations for himself. The world hopefully is not going to tie itself into a pretzel to accommodate every weirdo with an allergy that would have killed off his whole bloodline if he'd lived two hundred years ago. There are so many non-smokers now that there are plenty of non-smoking apartment houses, he can go find one. In America they're cheaper, landlords charge more for smoker's lodgings because they have to be cleaned and painted more often; I can't believe that it's not the same in Oh-So Red--oops I mean Green--And Progressive Europe.

If he's telling us that his place is just a bloody dump and the smoke seeps through the gaps in the ceiling, or there's no A/C so he has to leave the windows open for six months out of the year and breathe everything that blows in, then I don't know what to say except to repeat my original statement that he apparently made a decision to raise a family in poverty instead of getting an education and a career first. By the goddess, he's just going to have to live with the results of his own foolish choices like we all have to. And the world is overflowing with children who have to live with the results of their parents' foolish choices, that's the way the world works.Maybe he cant afford to move right away, maybe he is saving up for his child and cannot get a deposit to lay down on a new apartment. or maybe he is not allowed to leave the apartment yet because the contract is not up. Maybe he wants to move to a non smoking place but because of current situations he is unable to. We should ask before jumping to assumptions.But he already has one child. Why hasn't he already worked this out? Why is he having a second one when he doesn't seem to be able to provide what he believes is a satisfactory home for the one he already has?Yeah that was real relevant to the thread. Yeah it was actually. I've had it with this damn "It takes a whole village to raise a child" bullshit. It takes two parents with only a modest level of competence. The parents who expect their neighbors to stop smoking because they can't be bothered to finish their education and get started in a decent job before they have children and have to live in a hovel, are the same parents who want their neighbors to pay for the school system because they don't pay enough taxes to support it, and the same parents who bitch about four-letter words on TV because they can't afford a TV with a V-chip.

am i allowed to go and spray toxic fumes from a can into somebodies face?
No. But you are allowed to do the equivalent. Of course, because the government is totally logical! :bugeye:

I am not defending anyone's right to blow smoke or toxic fumes into anyone's face in a public place, or even outdoors. What I am defending is the right of each one of us to do whatever the hell we want in the privacy of our own home.
at this point in time i would have given almost anything if someone cared enough about me to ensure i wasn't fucking up my lungs by exercising my rights.
yes indeed you have a right to shoot yourself in the head if you want to.

the crazy thing is that i felt exactly like you do fraggle when i was smoking.

70-80% of second hand smoke fumes are invisible, and his wife is pregnant, so a newborn baby will be in the house soon enough, and if you can smell smoke that means the invisible toxins are present,

so technically smoke in a babies face is very to the point, just because you cant see the toxins doesent mean they are not causing damage, especialy when pregnant people and babies are concerned, do you know how easily a fragile babies lungs can be damaged?

peace.
You are very knowledgeable...

You keep saying "house", but what you mean is "apartment", right?

And if that's true, how does the smoke get into your apartment? If it comes in the window, ..well, I know this might be hard to grasp, but you could close the window.
Sure! It's the middle of the summer at 40C and I close the window and melt to death with my family, and confine myself while the smoking asshole is outside enjoyin the sun and the breeze... :bugeye:

I'm also curious ...if you get this angry and upset about a little cigarette smoke, you must be absolutely livid and murderous about the car exhaust that gets into your apartment through the very same window ...which you don't know how to close.

Baron Max
This is Canada, and there's not much traffic around here. :bugeye:

When you live amongst other people, you sometimes have to deal with things you don't like. You do have a choice of where you live. You can either live among smokers, or you can find a non-smoking apartment to live in.
My apartment is non-smoking. :bugeye:

We're talking about a smell from a guy smoking in a seperate part of the house.
You mean another apartment?

It's not healthy, but it's also not nearly as harmful as it would be if he were blowing the smoke in the baby's face all the time.
I suggest you do some researhc or read other posts in this thread...

Doesn't change anything though, he (apparently) lives in place that allows smoking. If he doesn't like it he can move to a non-smoking area, god knows there's plenty of those around.
As I said before, this place is non-smoking.

Still, whatever. Should be banned EVERYWHERE. We get it in our faces in the street ALL the time!

Well, he has enough to lay out each month for Internet service ...that's about, what, $50 per month. And with the time he spends here at sciforums, he could get a second job and make still more money. Hell, he could move out in a month or so!!
What? With 10 more hours per week max!? LOL! :p
That's like an extra 80 bucks per week, if that! :D

and his wife is pregnant so he needs to pass on the bs thats thrown his way somehow
Yeah... and it's A LOT of bs I need to handle... :bugeye:

You seem to have trouble grasping the subtle distinction between personal space and public space. You must live in one of those European nanny-state socialist worker's paradises, where there's no privacy and everything is everybody else's business. I am not defending anyone's right to blow smoke or toxic fumes into anyone's face in a public place, or even outdoors. What I am defending is the right of each one of us to do whatever the hell we want in the privacy of our own home. I even understand the concept of compromise and reasonable limits. I don't expect to be able to practice my electric bass at performance volume at 3am or to establish an indoor skunk farm... unless I'm back home on my five-acre lot in California, which we bought precisely because the neighbors are too far away to hear or smell anything we do.
LOL! Fraggle do smelly stuff!!! :D
WHAT DO YOU DO!?!?! :wtf:

Dammit, the Red Party--oops I keep forgetting it's the Green Party now--has not taken over the world yet. People get to smoke inside their homes. If his precious little baby's respiratory system is so bloody sensitive that he has an allergic reaction to somebody smoking on the next floor, then he is a one-percenter and he's just going to have to make accommodations for himself. The world hopefully is not going to tie itself into a pretzel to accommodate every weirdo with an allergy that would have killed off his whole bloodline if he'd lived two hundred years ago. There are so many non-smokers now that there are plenty of non-smoking apartment houses, he can go find one. In America they're cheaper, landlords charge more for smoker's lodgings because they have to be cleaned and painted more often; I can't believe that it's not the same in Oh-So Red--oops I mean Green--And Progressive Europe.
Do you understand the dangers of second hand smoking?

If he's telling us that his place is just a bloody dump and the smoke seeps through the gaps in the ceiling, or there's no A/C so he has to leave the windows open for six months out of the year and breathe everything that blows in, then I don't know what to say except to repeat my original statement that he apparently made a decision to raise a family in poverty instead of getting an education and a career first.
Wtf are you talking about? I'm an accountant! :bugeye:

By the goddess, he's just going to have to live with the results of his own foolish choices like we all have to. And the world is overflowing with children who have to live with the results of their parents' foolish choices, that's the way the world works.
Shouldn't be though.

But he already has one child. Why hasn't he already worked this out? Why is he having a second one when he doesn't seem to be able to provide what he believes is a satisfactory home for the one he already has? Yeah it was actually. I've had it with this damn "It takes a whole village to raise a child" bullshit. It takes two parents with only a modest level of competence. The parents who expect their neighbors to stop smoking because they can't be bothered to finish their education and get started in a decent job before they have children and have to live in a hovel, are the same parents who want their neighbors to pay for the school system because they don't pay enough taxes to support it, and the same parents who bitch about four-letter words on TV because they can't afford a TV with a V-chip.
Ok. So let's make legal for people to kill each other. What's the difference between that and blowing deadly toxins in your face?


I don't care WHERE people are smoking. SMoking is not only disgusting, but it's killing people out ther that are not even smokers! I don't see how it is ok for people to claim the lives of random people. just because they feel like it!

My apartment is non-smoking. No, I mean an apartment complex where nobody is allowed to smoke.

I don't care WHERE people are smoking. SMoking is not only disgusting, but it's killing people out ther that are not even smokers! I don't see how it is ok for people to claim the lives of random people. just because they feel like it!Everything anyone does affects someone else. Where are you going to draw the line? There has to be a balance between inconvenience and the health of others.

No, I mean an apartment complex where nobody is allowed to smoke.
What do you think I meant!?!?!?!?!

Everything anyone does affects someone else. Where are you going to draw the line? There has to be a balance between inconvenience and the health of others.
So you are saying that it should be acceptable for people to carry guns and sometimes randomly shoot someone?

Just so it can be said it's been said:

- As a tobacco smoker, I once again offer a very simple exchange: Legalize marijuana, and you can have the tobacco. The thing is, smoking marijuana is inefficient consumption. The paradox of the black market is that smoking marijuana is the affordable alternative. Think of it this way: Thanksgiving dinner costs $700 before you start buying the food. Since there is such demand for smaller expenditures, marijuana sells for between forty and fifty dollars for one-eighth of an ounce (approximately 3.5g). At this quantity, smoking the stuff is the most popular method of consumption. Bring down the cost for higher quantities and many stoners will eat the stuff instead of smoke it. Everybody wins this way. Smokers are smoking a less-toxic smoke; of the users, many will choose to not smoke the stuff. This results in a better situation for non-users.

And I won't say much about the cars. I laughed when one legislator (either Waxman or Dornan) called cigarettes the number-one source of air pollution in Los Angeles. But, yes, we do need to talk about the real air pollution problems facing everyone at some point.

One last note: In Seattle, the people passed an anti-smoking rule that bars smoking inside businesses and for twenty-five feet outside the door. This is to protect non-smokers from secondhand smoke. The result, of course, is that at night, when many businesses are closed, the smokers get to stand on sidewalks around the nightclubs. During, say, a set break at the Crocodile, for instance, passers-by must run a gauntlet of a hundred smokers lined up along the sidewalk. It wasn't the best rule. (Speak nothing of the notion that acres of outdoor space should be called "indoors" for the purposes of the law. Of course, that's not holding. Oh, right ... speak nothing.)

No. Just ban completely. Period.

marijuana sells for between forty and fifty dollars for one-eighth of an ounce (approximately 3.5g).

$25 here. I used to be able to get it for 20.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

You got that right brother!

You seem to have trouble grasping the subtle distinction between personal space and public space. You must live in one of those European nanny-state socialist worker's paradises, where there's no privacy and everything is everybody else's business. I am not defending anyone's right to blow smoke or toxic fumes into anyone's face in a public place, or even outdoors. What I am defending is the right of each one of us to do whatever the hell we want in the privacy of our own home. I even understand the concept of compromise and reasonable limits. I don't expect to be able to practice my electric bass at performance volume at 3am or to establish an indoor skunk farm... unless I'm back home on my five-acre lot in California, which we bought precisely because the neighbors are too far away to hear or smell anything we do.

Dammit, the Red Party--oops I keep forgetting it's the Green Party now--has not taken over the world yet. People get to smoke inside their homes. If his precious little baby's respiratory system is so bloody sensitive that he has an allergic reaction to somebody smoking on the next floor, then he is a one-percenter and he's just going to have to make accommodations for himself. The world hopefully is not going to tie itself into a pretzel to accommodate every weirdo with an allergy that would have killed off his whole bloodline if he'd lived two hundred years ago. There are so many non-smokers now that there are plenty of non-smoking apartment houses, he can go find one. In America they're cheaper, landlords charge more for smoker's lodgings because they have to be cleaned and painted more often; I can't believe that it's not the same in Oh-So Red--oops I mean Green--And Progressive Europe.

If he's telling us that his place is just a bloody dump and the smoke seeps through the gaps in the ceiling, or there's no A/C so he has to leave the windows open for six months out of the year and breathe everything that blows in, then I don't know what to say except to repeat my original statement that he apparently made a decision to raise a family in poverty instead of getting an education and a career first. By the goddess, he's just going to have to live with the results of his own foolish choices like we all have to. And the world is overflowing with children who have to live with the results of their parents' foolish choices, that's the way the world works.But he already has one child. Why hasn't he already worked this out? Why is he having a second one when he doesn't seem to be able to provide what he believes is a satisfactory home for the one he already has? Yeah it was actually. I've had it with this damn "It takes a whole village to raise a child" bullshit. It takes two parents with only a modest level of competence. The parents who expect their neighbors to stop smoking because they can't be bothered to finish their education and get started in a decent job before they have children and have to live in a hovel, are the same parents who want their neighbors to pay for the school system because they don't pay enough taxes to support it, and the same parents who bitch about four-letter words on TV because they can't afford a TV with a V-chip.


i have no trouble grasping personal space and public space. i live in london you dont get personal space when in public here, and if you say "well move away then" yes thats the sollution all people have who cant be bothered to make there city a better place to live.

and your speach was all well and good but your are wrong, his apartment is actualy a non smoking building. so he is in the wrong. and are you a smoker? it would explain alot if you are because ofcourse you would take that side.

and fraggle just because your older it doesent mean that your high and mighty. people make mistakes when they are young and you most likely did aswell. and i think calling his family a mistake is very rude. not everybody leads the life of others. so what if he lives in an apartment and has a wife and child. atleast he has a loving family and is a nice guy,

you sound like a real stuck up person at times. with your rants about how the youth are so foolish, and how the young people always make the wrong choices, you are the type of peson who is stuck in your way so much because of age and experience. you cant live in a world where every young person makes no mistakes and leads a model fraggle lifestyle.


peace.

peace.

other less harmfull drugs are illegal, so why should smoking be legal? you cant smoke weed anywhere not even in your own home, so why can you smoke cigs?


because the government make too much money from it, for an advanced society wich tries to increase life spans with medical tech, we sure are not doing a good job of bieng advanced when so many people intake toxic fumes into there bodies by choice.


in the future nobody will smoke, they will look back at all of the chemical smokers and think of them as barbaric stupid people.

peace.

$25 here. I used to be able to get it for 20.

Oh, yeah, but if people like TruthSeeker get their way, you won't be allowed to smoke it in your own home! Surely you wouldn't agree with such a ban, would you? :D

Baron Max

and fraggle just because your older it doesent mean that your high and mighty.

Yes, it does!!

Old fart = high n' mighty!

It's been defined that way for centuries, eons even, so that's just the way it is, Empty, you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Baron Max

Hmm, some people should live on a remote island where every thing know to be harmful to humans is baned.

You are really really dreaming if you seriously think they will ever ban cigs. Nevermind the big business and old tycoons involved, the governments make shitloads taxing them.

$$$$$$$$nicotine patches$$$$$$$$ too much money to be made.

Yes, it does!!

Old fart = high n' mighty!

It's been defined that way for centuries, eons even, so that's just the way it is, Empty, you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Baron Max

i respect my elders, i respect that they have experienced more than me, but i also know that wisdom is not installed into everyone with age, i know alot of older people who are as stupid as a mule, and so stuck in their racist ways that nothing will change their bigoted point of view.


peace.

You are really really dreaming if you seriously think they will ever ban cigs. Nevermind the big business and old tycoons involved, the governments make shitloads taxing them.

in the far future smoking will be illegal i think. it will start with small areas banning smoking, first it will be banned in public buildings, and in the workplace, then it will be banned on the streets itself because of litter, then it will be banned in your own home if you have children or live with other non smokers,


then it will get to a stage where hardly anybody smokes anymore because they want to be healthy, that banning them wont miss much tax money,


peace.

Well holy shit, who is gonna pay for all the policing? Sure as fuck ain't me.

I don't smoke but what does it really matter. Quote "want to be healthy"
Well we are going to die from all the smog and pollution in the air.....who cares about second hand cigarette smoke.

My apartment [complex] is non-smoking. :bugeye:
Have you tried complaining to the landlord?

i have no trouble grasping personal space and public space. i live in london you dont get personal space when in public here, and if you say "well move away then" yes thats the sollution all people have who cant be bothered to make there city a better place to live.

and your speach was all well and good but your are wrong, his apartment is actualy a non smoking building. so he is in the wrong. and are you a smoker? it would explain alot if you are because ofcourse you would take that side.

and fraggle just because your older it doesent mean that your high and mighty. people make mistakes when they are young and you most likely did aswell. and i think calling his family a mistake is very rude. not everybody leads the life of others. so what if he lives in an apartment and has a wife and child. atleast he has a loving family and is a nice guy,

you sound like a real stuck up person at times. with your rants about how the youth are so foolish, and how the young people always make the wrong choices, you are the type of peson who is stuck in your way so much because of age and experience. you cant live in a world where every young person makes no mistakes and leads a model fraggle lifestyle.


peace.

peace.
Precisely. However, I usually agree with him, thus giving me the patience to reply without taking it personally.

Yes... not all youth is foolish. For a matter of fact, there is a lot of brilliant young people out there....

Oh, yeah, but if people like TruthSeeker get their way, you won't be allowed to smoke it in your own home! Surely you wouldn't agree with such a ban, would you? :D

Baron Max
I was talking about cigarretes.

Yes, it does!!

Old fart = high n' mighty!

It's been defined that way for centuries, eons even, so that's just the way it is, Empty, you'll just have to learn to live with it.

Baron Max
LOL! I suppose that an undisputable "fact"? :D

Now that you are an old fart, it's time to be respected and collect the checks from the government! All those foolish young folks, working so that you can eat and survive!

LOL! :roflmao:

i respect my elders, i respect that they have experienced more than me, but i also know that wisdom is not installed into everyone with age, i know alot of older people who are as stupid as a mule, and so stuck in their racist ways that nothing will change their bigoted point of view.


peace.
I remember from a psychology class that once a psychologist said that when you are old you are either very wise or very dumb. I think that was Erickson..... Huuumm....

Have you tried complaining to the landlord?
It was sunday.

Oh yeah. Here' it goes... Erik Erikcson...

"Stage Eight Maturity: 65 years until death, integrity vs. despair, acceptance of one's life. "

Sort of what I said... :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_H._Erikson

Man, all I can say is that if you could see this amazingly hot girl with her red shirt, blue jeans, and no-sock shoes you would wish she was smoking you!

i don't like smoking and would not mind if it was baned however it scared me how the goverment can just ban things like this say they dont like t.v they cam ban it, it's frighting how much power these people have over us.

we give them power

No, I mean an apartment complex where nobody is allowed to smoke.
What do you think I meant!?!?!?!?!
If that really is the case, the smoker is in violation of the rules, and you can take action, by contacting the landlord.

So you are saying that it should be acceptable for people to carry guns and sometimes randomly shoot someone?That's not at all what I meant. I'm saying, you can't take away a person's right to smoke, just because a few other people don't like it. Everything we do is going to have some effect on other people. Naturally, not everyone will be happy with these effects. It is impossible, however, to appease everyone. Since that is the case, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

It's a huge exaggeration, and you're climbing a slippery slope, in equating negligible amounts of cigarette smoke with outright homicide.

we give them powerRight. And I don't think they should have that kind of power over us. I don't think the government should be able to tell people whether or not to smoke. The job of the government isn't to hold peoples' hands and protect them on that small of a scale. That's too much power, and not enough freedom.

At this point in time i would have given almost anything if someone cared enough about me to ensure i wasn't fucking up my lungs by exercising my rights. Yes indeed you have a right to shoot yourself in the head if you want to. The crazy thing is that i felt exactly like you do fraggle when I was smoking.The government can't get people to stop using more dangerous drugs. It can't get people to stop driving drunk. It can't keep drugs out of schools, hell it can't even keep drugs out of prisons. Is there any sane person who really believes that the damn stupid overpaid incompetent government is going to be able to stop people from smoking??? They tried outlawing alcohol in my country in my parents' era, and all it did was make alcohol more popular because it suddenly became cool.

People are going to do what they want. It's the government's job to facilitate that, not to tell them that they're wrong. This is the same government that dumps sodium fluoride into our water supply on purpose. Do you really trust these bureaucrats to make decisions about our health???Fraggle do smelly stuff! WHAT DO YOU DO?We breed dogs. Trust me, you wouldn't want us in your apartment building.Do you understand the dangers of second hand smoking?Yes. Do you understand the dangers of an out-of-control, too-big-for-its-britches government? They are incapable of doing a competent risk analysis when deciding what they're going to do to us--whoops I mean "for us"--in the name of health and safety. They've got leering civil "servants" staring at our bodies through x-ray machines in airports--meanwhile something like 90% of the containers that come into the U.S. on ships is not examined.Ok. So let's make legal for people to kill each other. What's the difference between that and blowing deadly toxins in your face?As I said, I'm not a strong supporter of smoking in public. But a man's home is his castle.I don't care WHERE people are smoking. SMoking is not only disgusting, but it's killing people out ther that are not even smokers! I don't see how it is ok for people to claim the lives of random people. just because they feel like it!So don't let people smoke in public, except in places set aside for communities of smokers. Geeze, your schools must be even worse than ours, is everybody where you live so weak at basic reasoning?I have no trouble grasping personal space and public space. I live in London you don't get personal space when in public here, and if you say "well move away then" yes thats the solution all people have who cant be bothered to make there city a better place to live.Settle down Beavis. We're talking about a citizen smoking inside his own home, not out in public.and your speach was all well and good but your are wrong, his apartment is actualy a non smoking building. so he is in the wrong.Well then he's already breaking the law. In the U.S., the landlord would be held responsible for allowing a violation of a health law and subjected to a heavy fine.and are you a smoker? it would explain alot if you are because ofcourse you would take that side.No, I'm not a smoker. I don't allow smoking in my house. I only rent to non-smokers. But they're free to go out and smoke on the balcony, on the deck, or in the yard, as long as they don't stand outside my window and do it. I'm just a guy who respects freedom. I'll support somebody else's if they support mine.And fraggle just because your older it doesent mean that your high and mighty. People make mistakes when they are young and you most likely did aswell. and i think calling his family a mistake is very rude. not everybody leads the life of others. so what if he lives in an apartment and has a wife and child. atleast he has a loving family and is a nice guy. You sound like a real stuck up person at times. with your rants about how the youth are so foolish, and how the young people always make the wrong choices, you are the type of peson who is stuck in your way so much because of age and experience. you cant live in a world where every young person makes no mistakes and leads a model fraggle lifestyle.You haven't read very many of my postings if that's the kind of person you think I am. I'm very impatient with the people of my generation. They're selfish, irrational, and whiney. Not to mention grumpy like the Baron. :) I much prefer the company of young people and I play in a rock and roll band, performing the music of Fall Out Boy, the Killers and Green Day. And in general young people appreciate me. For one thing, I don't bitch at them about their smoking.

If you think young people are wise enough to make their own choices and old people don't care... Then why do you want to entrust so many of the important things in life to governments??? Governments are run by old guys like Max and me!

lol fraggle, you just seemed to come off quite stuck up and snooty in your last postings, i respect your last post alot though, i was not generalising about older people, i respect age but i dont respect age as much as wisdom, put age and wisdom together and thats something i respect the most.


i dont like any government by the way :) not unless im the leader of it. i have read many of your posts and i think your are a very smart guy, you certainly know a huge variety of things, its like you know something about everything and quite in-depth aswell, not a jack of all trades atall.

i get what your saying about smoking in your own home, and i think aslong as you dont make other people breathe in your fumes then its fine, but if your smoke is causing other people ahrm then thats not right, as for in public i guess itsa different story, but this thread is titled (ban smoking right now) so i thought that it was open to debate also,


peace.

Tell your neighbour to put a plastic bag over his head while he smokes...secured at the neck with rubber tubeing.

He can poison himself faster that way, without irritating others.

Where I live it's illegal to smoke in any public place. That includes bars, restaraunts, public buildings, within 20 meters of the entrance to any public building, outdoor patios at bars/restaraunts, even the shisha bars have had to switch to non-tobacco products. Personally I think they're taking this a little too far, it should be left up to the owners of establishments like bars to decide whether or not to allow smoking in them.

even the shisha bars have had to switch to non-tobacco products. That's dumb. That's how they get their money. Everyone who goes to a hookah bar is there to smoke anyway. I don't smoke (i.e. I'm not addicted at all to nicotine) but I do enjoy my hookah, and I do know of a few hookah bars that got hurt when the regulations went into affect. They definitely take it too far.

Exactly, if you go to a shisha bar you're there to smoke, it's the only reason they exist. The local shisha bars applied for an exception to the new laws but were turned down, they were told "Either switch to non-tobacco products or you're SOL"

People in general are getting way too worked up about supposed health and safety risks. A person was killed on a section of road here last year, the first fatality in that area in over 10 years, and people were so outraged that they just started a 4 month construction job to 'make it safer'. "For public safety" is becoming a blanket excuse for all kinds of stupid laws and political initiatives.

That's dumb. That's how they get their money. Everyone who goes to a hookah bar is there to smoke anyway. I don't smoke (i.e. I'm not addicted at all to nicotine) but I do enjoy my hookah, and I do know of a few hookah bars that got hurt when the regulations went into affect. They definitely take it too far.Smoking and drinking go together like peanut butter and jelly. I occasionally smoke a cigar. A good one, like an Arturo Fuente or a Cuban. To avoid stinking up my own house, I'll usually go to a bar to smoke the cigar. In fact, when I'm in the mood for a cigar is about the only time I go to a bar. My town just banned smoking in all public places, so these bars have just lost my business.

Lousy safety Nazi's!

Whenever I read about people wanting to ban things, I keep wondering .....what if we ban anything and everything that some people want banned, or don't like? If that happened, what would we be allowed to do?

Baron Max

It should most definitely not be banned. I don't smoke, but if somebody else wants to, I think that's there right.

Oh, we might as well throw in coke and XTC etc as well right?

Oh, we might as well throw in coke and XTC etc as well right?
Yes. Also, coke and xtc(at least none of the kinds I've tried) harm other people.

Personally I'd like to put people who don't flush public toilets - in jail for a GOOD LOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

yeah that is really disgusting when you have to .......sneak up to stall and slowly open the door.....bracing yourself as to what you might see....when you see that nasty site OMG:puke:

You still need to go but do you dare try another stall.......omg :puke: slightly better. At this point I really debate....how bad i have to go.....Finally i wait for someone to come out of one, if they were just in it hopefully it isn't too bad.....or are they some other disgusting pig:shrug:

Ahhhhhhh finally one that isnt too bad.....as i sit there I think what am i catching from this toilet seat? Finally I try not to touch to much and make my way to the sink.....


jeez maybe I should write short stories....

Too much money in tobacco for it to be banned. Smoking had been banned indoors in New York a few years ago but these days some people are violating the law and restaurant owners are sometimes looking the other way.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

Hi Truth seeker,

Thank yoj for starting this thread, aplogies for answering you initial post so late.

i Reckon the selling of tobacco shoudl be made illegal if not severly cut down to very select few shops.

I am a smoker, and i think i tis disgusting and the way the governement use it, is hypocrcy beyond limits.

I think it is inherently appauling that i can buy Cigarettes from more places on my way to work than i can paracetomal.

I want to sue the government for human rights abuses as whenever i try to stop i cant cos their are too many palces i can buy cigarettes from?

the governement should putits money where is mouth is and ban them

and with that i agree with you 100%

~~~~~~~~~~
take it ez
zak

Whenever I read about people wanting to ban things, I keep wondering .....what if we ban anything and everything that some people want banned, or don't like?

You mean like gay marriage? ;)

You mean like gay marriage? ;)

Yeah, sure, ...and anything and everything that anyone doesn't like or want. I mean, let's ban transfat oils, as well as any and all meat products ...'cause vegatarians don't like meat, or the animal rights activists don't like us killing and eating animals. And ban coffee 'cause some people don't like coffee and think that it causes health problems. Let's ban swim suits that don't cover the entire skin of the body, 'cause some people think that's nasty and perverted. Let's ban computers 'cause people play silly war and violence games on them. .....

Baron Max

Lets ban drugs.

Lets ban drugs.

Yeah, including aspirin. Pain is good for the body, it helps to heal the sickness or injury.

Baron Max

The government can't get people to stop using more dangerous drugs. It can't get people to stop driving drunk. It can't keep drugs out of schools, hell it can't even keep drugs out of prisons. Is there any sane person who really believes that the damn stupid overpaid incompetent government is going to be able to stop people from smoking??? They tried outlawing alcohol in my country in my parents' era, and all it did was make alcohol more popular because it suddenly became cool.

People are going to do what they want. It's the government's job to facilitate that, not to tell them that they're wrong. This is the same government that dumps sodium fluoride into our water supply on purpose. Do you really trust these bureaucrats to make decisions about our health???
LOL! :D
True....

Yes. Do you understand the dangers of an out-of-control, too-big-for-its-britches government?
Absolutely.

They are incapable of doing a competent risk analysis when deciding what they're going to do to us--whoops I mean "for us"--in the name of health and safety. They've got leering civil "servants" staring at our bodies through x-ray machines in airports--meanwhile something like 90% of the containers that come into the U.S. on ships is not examined.
I suppose they are focused on protecting passengers. But, yeah... I know...


As I said, I'm not a strong supporter of smoking in public. But a man's home is his castle.So don't let people smoke in public, except in places set aside for communities of smokers.

Settle down Beavis. We're talking about a citizen smoking inside his own home, not out in public.
This is a non-smoking apartment building. And his smoke was affecting me and my family.


Well then he's already breaking the law. In the U.S., the landlord would be held responsible for allowing a violation of a health law and subjected to a heavy fine.No, I'm not a smoker. I don't allow smoking in my house. I only rent to non-smokers. But they're free to go out and smoke on the balcony, on the deck, or in the yard, as long as they don't stand outside my window and do it. I'm just a guy who respects freedom. I'll support somebody else's if they support mine.
Fair enough.

You haven't read very many of my postings if that's the kind of person you think I am. I'm very impatient with the people of my generation. They're selfish, irrational, and whiney. Not to mention grumpy like the Baron. :) I much prefer the company of young people and I play in a rock and roll band, performing the music of Fall Out Boy, the Killers and Green Day. And in general young people appreciate me. For one thing, I don't bitch at them about their smoking.
That's good. But what about your comments of young people being irresponsible? Were you just generalizing or... what?

If you think young people are wise enough to make their own choices and old people don't care... Then why do you want to entrust so many of the important things in life to governments??? Governments are run by old guys like Max and me!
I most certainly don't trust the government.

lol fraggle, you just seemed to come off quite stuck up and snooty in your last postings, i respect your last post alot though, i was not generalising about older people, i respect age but i dont respect age as much as wisdom, put age and wisdom together and thats something i respect the most.
EXACTLY. Unfortunately, a lot of old people use their age as an excuse to abuse or criticize young people. They say they are "wise" becasue they are old, basically. Like a quasi-fanatic catholic I once lived with...:rolleyes:

i get what your saying about smoking in your own home, and i think aslong as you dont make other people breathe in your fumes then its fine, but if your smoke is causing other people ahrm then thats not right, as for in public i guess itsa different story, but this thread is titled (ban smoking right now) so i thought that it was open to debate also,


peace.
Yes.

Tell your neighbour to put a plastic bag over his head while he smokes...secured at the neck with rubber tubeing.

He can poison himself faster that way, without irritating others.
That should be law.


:D

Where I live it's illegal to smoke in any public place. That includes bars, restaraunts, public buildings, within 20 meters of the entrance to any public building, outdoor patios at bars/restaraunts, even the shisha bars have had to switch to non-tobacco products. Personally I think they're taking this a little too far, it should be left up to the owners of establishments like bars to decide whether or not to allow smoking in them.
Where is this advanced society?

Whenever I read about people wanting to ban things, I keep wondering .....what if we ban anything and everything that some people want banned, or don't like? If that happened, what would we be allowed to do?

Baron Max
Eat and sleep.




LOL! :D

Hi Truth seeker,

Thank yoj for starting this thread, aplogies for answering you initial post so late.

i Reckon the selling of tobacco shoudl be made illegal if not severly cut down to very select few shops.

I am a smoker, and i think i tis disgusting and the way the governement use it, is hypocrcy beyond limits.

I think it is inherently appauling that i can buy Cigarettes from more places on my way to work than i can paracetomal.

I want to sue the government for human rights abuses as whenever i try to stop i cant cos their are too many palces i can buy cigarettes from?

the governement should putits money where is mouth is and ban them

and with that i agree with you 100%

~~~~~~~~~~
take it ez
zak
Well, I hope you will be able to conquer your addiction... :)

Or, you could start taking drastic measures

http://glumbert.com/media/smoking

they should ban ciggaretes in ireland :D its good bussiness to bring fags into ireland and sell them cheapper by making 100% profit :)

Or, you could start taking drastic measures

http://glumbert.com/media/smoking
:bravo:

Zakariya04,

Check this out. I hope it helps you quit.... :)
http://www.pmusa.com/en/quitassist/index.asp

Where is this advanced society?
We call it CA-NA-DA. Well Calgary, Alberta to be specific, it's a city bylaw. ;)

No. Just ban completely. Period.

What else should people not be allowed to do? Dude, you should have gotten an education and a better job before you started pumping out babies---or your wife to start pumping out babies, so you could live and raise children on your own terms, and wouldn't have to deal with people "blowing toxic fumes" in your children's faces. It's your fault. At least take some responsibility.

What else should people not be allowed to do? Dude, you should have gotten an education and a better job before you started pumping out babies---or your wife to start pumping out babies, so you could live and raise children on your own terms, and wouldn't have to deal with people "blowing toxic fumes" in your children's faces. It's your fault. At least take some responsibility.

I'm very educated, I support myself and I have no babies, I have an apartment in a quiet nonsmoking neighborhood. That did not stop the man standing next to me at the bus stop from blowing a mouth full of cigarette smoke in my face. If he was standing with a glass of alcohol or smoking weed (which would mostly affect him) I could have held him liable, but strangely enough, cigarette smoking is a state sanctioned drug industry, so I could only hold my breath and move away.

You shouldn't worry about your children. According to the WHO study, children raised by smokers had a 22% lower risk of lung cancer!
The RR for exposure during childhood was 0.78, with a CI of .64 - .96. This indicates a protective effect! Children exposed to ETS in the home during childhood are 22% less likely to get lung cancer, according to this study. http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html

Medicine focuses WAY too much on probabilities. You either get lung cancer or you don't, who cares what the chances are for anything? Studies like this are a waste of money. They should be spending it trying to find cures for diseases, not how doing x lowers/raises your risk of y by z percent. All that does is makes them look like they don't have a clue.

Rant off.

I'm very apprehensive about a ban of tobacco cigarettes in public places. I see the reasons behind it, but I'm still apprehensive. In the privacy of your own home, however, it should certainly be allowed. Although, I will have to think a bit about when it affects your neighbors. Perhaps it should be allowed unless it's clearly and unreasonably affecting them.

I'm tempted to agree with people who want to ban the use of cigarettes. That shit often smells horrible and gives you cancer. But then I remember my attitude towards the outright ban on marijuana and realize an outright ban on cigarettes is unreasonable as well.

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen.....Too much money in tobacco for it to be banned.

The government could get a shitload of money from marijuana too. If they would fucking withdraw troops from Iraq already (by staying, we can only hope to provoke terrorists), they may be able to stop and finally realize, "Hey, we can make money off these stoners, balance the Dubya deficit, and finally pay off the Reagan debt!".

And even if the government doesn't profit from it, the private sector would definitely jump on the opportunity to suck as much money as they can out of stoners. I don't imagine it would be too hard either. It'd probably be one of the best things for our economy. I honestly don't understand why the American reich-wing, predominantly self-avowed capitalists, are in favor of such communistic control of the economy as the ban of a substance from being used by an otherwise free market.

No. Just ban completely. Period.

Not completely. I could understand if you ban it in public places, but what if a smoker in his own home makes the proper accommodations so that no one is exposed to his smoke who doesn't want to be?

i respect my elders, i respect that they have experienced more than me, but i also know that wisdom is not installed into everyone with age, i know alot of older people who are as stupid as a mule, and so stuck in their racist ways that nothing will change their bigoted point of view.

Something I heard recently which makes a very good point: Being older does not make you an elder.

Well holy shit, who is gonna pay for all the policing? Sure as fuck ain't me.

People already pay for the policing required to make sure no one's doing hard drugs or smoking weed. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth; I just felt like saying it because it's relevant to this thread.

The government can't get people to stop using more dangerous drugs. It can't get people to stop driving drunk. It can't keep drugs out of schools, hell it can't even keep drugs out of prisons. Is there any sane person who really believes that the damn stupid overpaid incompetent government is going to be able to stop people from smoking??? They tried outlawing alcohol in my country in my parents' era, and all it did was make alcohol more popular because it suddenly became cool.

People are going to do what they want. It's the government's job to facilitate that, not to tell them that they're wrong. This is the same government that dumps sodium fluoride into our water supply on purpose. Do you really trust these bureaucrats to make decisions about our health???

Fucking amen! :D

"For public safety" is becoming a blanket excuse for all kinds of stupid laws and political initiatives.

Like the PATRIOT Act. :(

Smoking and drinking go together like peanut butter and jelly.

Not if it's weed you're smoking. Shit together gives you a bad headache. I learned that the hard way this last Saturday.

Dude, you should have gotten an education and a better job before you started pumping out babies---or your wife to start pumping out babies, so you could live and raise children on your own terms, and wouldn't have to deal with people "blowing toxic fumes" in your children's faces. It's your fault. At least take some responsibility.

Dude, you shouldn't make assumptions about people. As he said before, he's an accountant.

It should most definitely not be banned. I don't smoke, but if somebody else wants to, I think that's there right.Right. And I don't think they should have that kind of power over us. I don't think the government should be able to tell people whether or not to smoke. The job of the government isn't to hold peoples' hands and protect them on that small of a scale. That's too much power, and not enough freedom.

A liberal streak is showing through. :)

Can't he smoke outside?

In the house I rent, residents must smoke OUTSIDE.

Incredible. I cannnot stand being in my own house because the asshole upstaris is smking in his bathroom. My ENTIRE FUCKING HOUSE smells like smoke. I have to leave my own house, because it's so disgusting. I have a son and a pregnant wife that are being poisoned because an asshole decided to poison himself. :mad:

Smoking should be BANNED. It's much worse then any other drug around, including illegal drugs. But the elite is just profiting too much for that to happen..... :bugeye:

Excuse me... I can't stay here....

Just because you can smell smoke, dos'nt mean your inhaling lethal quantities, it takes minute amounts to create a smell.

The guy has every right to do what he wants on his own property, you can't ban basic freedoms. Besides Alcohol is far worse, for health and for society. God knows how many murders or fights have started due to a nicotine high.

It should also be my right to protect my family from being poisoned in my own fucking home, eh? :bugeye:

But I can't call the police over this. So how would you explain this? :bugeye:

Buy double glazzing and don't leave the window open thats next to his bathroom. It's not like the guy is walking into your flat and smoking in your face, he's trying to be discreete.

yeah true!! it pisses me of, smokers can kill us non smokers slowly but we cant do anything to them!! assholes!!

You have no fucking clue as to how much exposure you need to get side effects linked to second hand smoke. Unless you work as a bartender in a smoke filled pub three or four days a week for years, you have nothing to fear AT ALL. Walking past someone smoking in the street does nothing to your health. The air you breathe filled with arsinic and carbonmonoxide from car fumes is more likely to give you a disease than sitting with a smoker during your morning coffee.

excuse me while I go and light up in the garden, I Invested in double glazzing the house, hence no one inside would smell a thing.

Lets just hope I don't give the people in that plane up there cancer.

We call it CA-NA-DA. Well Calgary, Alberta to be specific, it's a city bylaw. ;)
I wish it was law....

What else should people not be allowed to do? Dude, you should have gotten an education and a better job before you started pumping out babies---or your wife to start pumping out babies, so you could live and raise children on your own terms, and wouldn't have to deal with people "blowing toxic fumes" in your children's faces. It's your fault. At least take some responsibility.
Wtf are you talking about? I'm ana accountant. :bugeye:
And this apartment building is non-smoking. :bugeye:

I'm very educated, I support myself and I have no babies, I have an apartment in a quiet nonsmoking neighborhood. That did not stop the man standing next to me at the bus stop from blowing a mouth full of cigarette smoke in my face. If he was standing with a glass of alcohol or smoking weed (which would mostly affect him) I could have held him liable, but strangely enough, cigarette smoking is a state sanctioned drug industry, so I could only hold my breath and move away.
I don't think they understand that, sam....... :rolleyes:

You shouldn't worry about your children. According to the WHO study, children raised by smokers had a 22% lower risk of lung cancer!
You know that when you do a study one must draw a conclusion from the data that is LOGICAL in nature? It appears they failed to do that..:rolleyes:

Not completely. I could understand if you ban it in public places, but what if a smoker in his own home makes the proper accommodations so that no one is exposed to his smoke who doesn't want to be?
I feel tempted to accept that.

However, regardless of the situation, smoking is totally useless and it's a huge was of resources.

Odin'Izm ,

1) This is a non-smoking apartment building.
2) Smoke was coming from the fan in the bathroom.

Put cling film on it.

You have no fucking clue as to how much exposure you need to get side effects linked to second hand smoke. Unless you work as a bartender in a smoke filled pub three or four days a week for years, you have nothing to fear AT ALL. Walking past someone smoking in the street does nothing to your health. The air you breathe filled with arsinic and carbonmonoxide from car fumes is more likely to give you a disease than sitting with a smoker during your morning coffee.
Exactly, a whiff of smoke here and there won't have any impact on your health. The whole second hand smoke debate is about people who work in places like bars that are constantly filled with smoke. I'll agree that it smells bad and can be annoying though.

people shouldent be allowed to drive cars either, we should all have horses, :)

peace.

people shouldent be allowed to drive cars either, we should all have horses, :)

peace.

Agreed.:p

You know that when you do a study one must draw a conclusion from the data that is LOGICAL in nature? It appears they failed to do that..:rolleyes:
Can your lungs gain a tolerance to smoke? That would make the study make sense.

Odin'Izm ,

1) This is a non-smoking apartment building.
2) Smoke was coming from the fan in the bathroom.

Well then that sounds like a problem with the management and not a problem with smoking, now doesn't it?

A liberal streak is showing through. No, a libertarian streak is showing through. Less power = smaller government = political conservatism. The liberal viewpoint would be to say the government should ban smoking, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Can your lungs gain a tolerance to smoke? That would make the study make sense.
Toxins build up in the body. It's not like organisms that are fought off and the body learns to resist them.

Well then that sounds like a problem with the management and not a problem with smoking, now doesn't it?
It was sunday and I didn't even talk with her.

Toxins build up in the body. It's not like organisms that are fought off and the body learns to resist them.

You can build a tolerance to drugs(medicine). Isn't it the same principal?

It was sunday and I didn't even talk with her.

So?

A strict system should be set up that doesn't even allow smoking to ever happen. First complaint: warning. Second complaint: Fine. Third Complaint: Kick out.

Simple, yes? If this isn't happening in your apartment complex, then either you are too much of a pussy to bring up the complaint or management is too scared of losing a customer. If it's the former, then get some back bone. If it's the latter, then live somewhere else.

You can build a tolerance to drugs(medicine). Isn't it the same principal?

Humans have no way of coping with cancerogenic substances, we did'nt evolve in the presence of these new artificial chemicals and hence have no way to cope with cell mutation cause by them.

You know that when you do a study one must draw a conclusion from the data that is LOGICAL in nature? It appears they failed to do that..:rolleyes:
Maybe so. But it was a large study and the only statistically significant result they got was a decreased risk of lung cancer for children of smokers.

The risk of second hand smoke is way overblown.

What is the logic behind the result? How was the study performed? People were asked to smoke in front of the children for a year?

What is the logic behind the result? How was the study performed? People were asked to smoke in front of the children for a year?
Cancer takes many years to show up, so clearly having parents smoke in front of their children for a year would not be informative. Obviously it was a retrospective study comparing cancer rates among children of smokers to those of nonsmokers.

And how accurate those studies are, considering they are not very controlled?

Look, if I want to commide suicide having some good cigarettes, thats my choice, but if I were you I'd go up and speak to this smoking man, he prolly doesn't even know that you're breathing in his poison.

good luck