It seems to me that Rappaccini has the inability to put people on ignore and is endlessly complaining and starting Ban threads on other members.

Not to mention that the same political system he uses to get people banned, he mocks by attempting to throw the result in another election;
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35829&page=11&pp=20

One begins to wonder how many other Open Government votes he has thrown when he feels like it.

I think that because he simultaneously uses and abuses the system, he himself should be summarily banned. If not from the entire forum, at least from participating in the Sciforums Open Government.

I think several mods have said that polls should not be public.

Everybody should have the right to propose something in SF Open Government so I voted no. If those votes Rappaccini set up are so controversal, then people would not vote or vote against his proposal.
Just as I voted against your proposal.

I have to agree with dream here. I have read the link you provided of Rap's supposed vote throwing or rigging and frankly I don't see any proof of it. The people who participate on this forum are more than able to make up their own minds on what to vote and I'm sure that if they found his comments to be controversial, they'd have told him so or voted against him.

I have to agree with dream here. I have read the link you provided of Rap's supposed vote throwing or rigging and frankly I don't see any proof of it.It's straight from Prof's mouth. He can check these things.

That said, that's a reason to ban him completely if true... not just from one forum.

True persol I guess it is a ban-able offence, but all Rap said on the page linked by Arditezza was that he said 'same here' to a joke made about PM being real or not by spurious. Now how is that an attempt to throw a vote? Rap has never contacted me to vote either way in any poll on this or any other forum. I haven't heard of him lobbying anyone to do such a thing either.

I also do not see where Rappaccini ever tried to throw a vote, I never wittnessed it. The things Rappa said in the thread you gave as an example are not really connected with anything you accuse him of, at least in my opinion.

I'm wondering if you guys read the link

Porfiry
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SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.

The evidence seems to be there. I'm just wondering why he hasn't been banned already.

Porfiry himself said in that thread at the bottom of the page that Rapp cheated it.

was it because many of the votes came from the same IP adress? I can't vote yes or no without knowing how he threw the vote.

Well, I can only assume that Porfiry felt that they were from the same person. And I believe that Rapp admitted that in the Ban PM thread. Infact it's on this page;
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36286&page=9&pp=20

It's about 5 posts from the bottom. He said he did it to get crazymikey all upset. Nice.

It's just too bad that people didn't read the entire thread where Porfiry posted before voting.

Rappa or Porfiry never answered the question to my satisfaction. According to the rules, cheating in a vote brings bad consequences. If Porfiry caught Rappa cheating, why didn't he punish him? The only conclusion I came to was that Rappa confessed to Porfiry by PM or some such. Other than that I don't know. But, the right to enact punishment for such an act is entirely on Porfiry. If he decides not to act then so be it.

I did not vote on the second Ban PM thread for the specific reason that this was the second one I had seen since coming to the forum. It should be against the rules to start ban thread after ban thread until you get the result you want.

There should be either a grace period for banning on a personal level (which would never succeed anyway most likely) or all evidence of rule-breaking prior to the close of the last ban thread should not be admissable. A man can only be tried once for a crime.

It might be helpful to know that Rappaccini started both of the Ban PM threads.

I knew that. But both ban threads were ultimately denied. (or will be shortly)

I agree that abusing the system is bad, but Rap's abuses seem to have been transparent, at least to Porfiry in the case of the recent pseudoscience mod vote. I would say that the checks are in place and the balance is right from my perspective.

Rapp will only create his own reputation in the end, be it good or bad. I vote no... besides, you could always use your own ignore list with regard to him.

It seems to me that Rappaccini has the inability to put people on ignore...
You're right, and I apologize.

Not to mention that the same political system... he mocks by attempting to throw the result in another election...[
I think everyone realizes that was a gag. I didn't even attempt to mask it. All Porf had to do was check the IP's.

Crazymikey was well on his way to an ignominious and ignoble banishment, anyhow.

If not from the entire forum, at least from participating in the Sciforums Open Government.

We'll see about the "entire forum" bit, but I'm afraid that there is probably good reason to toss me out of SFOG.

All Porf had to do was check the IP's.

Which involves a lot of bloody manual labour, thanks very much. You also didn't stop after you were warned. There is a temp. ban sitting around here somewhere with your name on it from that incident, but I'm just too damned lazy to find it. It's coming, though. Do the crime, do the time.

I did that legwork for you Porf, would you like me to send it to you?

:m: Peace.

Which involves a lot of bloody manual labour, thanks very much.

Yeah... heh...

Looks like you are walking on thin ice Rappaccini :)

I did that legwork for you Porf, would you like me to send it to you?

By all means.

Looks as though I'm about to be put away for some time.

Sayonara, I guess, comrades in arms.


I'll change my avatar so as to prevent further confusion before my summary expulsion... wait... no, I won't. :D

You are ok Rap.


that is all I have to say.

rap

We'll see about the "entire forum" bit, but I'm afraid that there is probably good reason to toss me out of SFOG.

why dont you elaborate? are you confessing to a compulsion to rig elections? after all, the alleged warning by porfiry did nothing to deter you.

are ban threads your first recourse towards resolving disputes?

if yes to both, you should be tossed out of sfog.

write something, rappacini. reassure the community that you intend to be a good citizen. a formal letter apologizing to all, will not be out of place.

He doesn't have to apologize to me.

I'll miss his razor wit, but it's only a temp ban. He'll be back. Too bad he couldn't have just gotten banned while he was away. :p

I don't blame Porfiry, the rules are the rules.

He's probably the only reason why Xev retained her moderator position. She was well on her way to losing that poll before Rap came up with all those votes.

As if she would ever have been removed from her moderator position.

Point is he broke the rule.
I dont care if he doesnt have to apologize to you spurious.

He's probably the only reason why Xev retained her moderator position.

Uhh... that's not the vote in question, paul.

It's the Pseudoscience Election.



In that one, I created about nine new names, one of which was 'bybycrazy,' I believe.

I figured it wasn't too reprehensible, getting to watch mikey go off the handle about the injustice and corruption of it all.
I wasn't really too worried about these 'consequences.'





after all, the alleged warning by porfiry did nothing to deter you.

I didn't even see his warning, which was a pm, until I was done.

are ban threads your first recourse towards resolving disputes?

No... how many have I made, two or three?

Don't you think, in the lengths of time before those threads' conceptions, I had to tolerate the unpleasantries of which I would eventually complain?

These polls were never spontaneous decisions, you know.
I didn't go mad and make multitudinous, unjustified ones. I never harassed anybody.


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Point is he broke the rule.

Yup, :bugeye:, probably one of the most important rules, too... heh.

write something...

http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif Have mercy! http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif

Is that enough?

When one is asking for mercy... it's kind of important to say you are sorry first. You lost credibility with a lot of people, and we now wonder which polls were bullshit and which ones weren't. Since you don't want to apologize to the community that you wronged, joke or not, I think you should be banned. You obviously care about Open Government only when it suits your own whim.

Something along the lines of, "Hey guys, I fucked up and for that I am sorry. It will not happen again." would be a good mature start.

http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif Have mercy! http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif


How can anyone say no to these faces?


And for those of you who voted yes, just shut up already. He isn't going to be banned because obviously, the rest of the Intelligent community doesn't agree with your view on him.

BTW - I voted yes, but I vote yes to everything. So its really only 3 people who actually think he should be banned.

When one is asking for mercy... it's kind of important to say you are sorry first.

You fool. Haven't you forgotten about something?

This is what you said
It seems to me that Rappaccini has the inability to put people on ignore... ”

And this was Rappaccini's reply:

You're right, and I apologize.

Unless I'm seeing things, this looks like he said sorry to me.

do it rap
a contrite and sincere apology will set you free! :)

... it's kind of important to say you are sorry first.
I already apologized to you for something. What was it?
Ah, yes, my inability to utilize the 'ignore' feature.
You lost credibility with a lot of people...
Really? How many is a lot?
Since you don't want to apologize to the community that you wronged, joke or not ...
How would you know what I do or do not want to do?
You obviously care about Open Government only when it suits your own whim.
... or, obviously, you're intent on transforming me into some kind of Judas.

Hey, guys, I fucked up, and I'm sorry. 'Twill not happen 'gain.




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I think I'm going to hurl.
Pretty soon, though, I'll be on my friend's boat. It'll be perfect!

I can turn green and hang myself over the side, like a cartoon character!

perfect! well done and take care out there ;)

with all due respect to arditezza...
in instances like this where a clear violation of the rules has occured, a poll is not the way to go. one should instead make the case to the administration. outline the transgression (s) and demand that action be taken. at the very least, a response addressing one's concerns is required.

however, i also see no reason why the community has to beg or demand for their interests to be looked after. it is a waste of our] time.

while i also respect the allegedly, busy schedules of the staff, stuff like this should be routine. perhaps a thread indicating poster x, "has thrown votes, penalty to be meted out shortly." that would definitely cut down on the high drama and whatnot. once confidence has been established, the posting of a notice would be superfluous

if all this is too much work for our"volunteer" mods, step the fuck down

In that one, I created about nine new names, one of which was 'bybycrazy,' I believe.

Rappa... you have way too much time on your hands. :eek:

You obviously care about Open Government only when it suits your own whim.
Ahhh politics... ermmm politicians.. using the system to cater to their needs... hmmm..

Maybe he's a politician?... :p

As if she would ever have been removed from her moderator position.

Excellent point.

Rappaccini has been banned from SciForums for 30 days
and has been banned from Open Government permanently.

with all due respect to arditezza...
in instances like this where a clear violation of the rules has occured, a poll is not the way to go. one should instead make the case to the administration. outline the transgression (s) and demand that action be taken. at the very least, a response addressing one's concerns is required.


I did take it to the administration first, and recieved no response what-so-ever. That's why I started the poll.

thanks goofy, but out of curiousity, what was it that got him the 30 day ban

im not saying you shouldn't, just that i didnt see what he did wrong and so wanna know

this is all coming out the wrong way, so ill shut up before i offend too many people

Also, most voted against the ban. Does that mean that whatever we vote for it's all meaningless?

I don't really care, I'm just asking.

No, it means that the moderators and of course Porfiry have a right to act on their own when they have a good reason.

Yes, I understand that creating "about nine new names" for the Pseudoscience mod election was a serious violation and really gets her the ban. But still, most voted not to ban her!

Meh, I get your point, I agree with it.

She? Somehow I doubt that Rappaccini is female.....

I think somewhere it said Rappa is a she. Might not be. Not like it makes a difference.

Rap has my support.

I'm almost positive that he's a guy. But who knows on these things. :p

Wait, there's a debate about Rap's gender...I'd guess male. I think it's his old Mortiis avatar saying that to me tho. It haunts me :eek:

If I was banned for thirty days, I might as well be banned forever.... I honestly don't think I'd bother coming back where I was clearly not wanted.

Rappaccini has been banned from SciForums for 30 days
and has been banned from Open Government permanently.

i think it is great that an example has been set. however after serving the sentence, why the added penalty of disenfranchisement? is rap an assured threat to the electorate? how does one figure that out? is it not possible the boy could evolve?

is there a procedure one can follow in order to be put back on the voter rolls?

as a lark, lets see how sciforums shapes up to others...

in america, 42 states restore felons rights once time has been served. 8 other states do not give back that privilege. in the case of florida, felons are restricted from working certain jobs and collecting some benefits, such as financial aid for school

in 18 euro states, INCARCERATED felons retain their vote. 2 states in the usa (maine and vermont) also give their felons the same privilege.

oh, almost forgot, so does CANADA.

* i will stop before this turns into a rant about nazis :)

yeah, but Hathor, sciforums doesn't have the death penalty... so we gotta compensate for a lack of that somehow :P

We could implement a DOS sentence. DOS him off the net for a month. :p That'd be almost like death.