Ban Karmashock...

He is uberannoying, posts nothing but one liners which have no relevance to the post, puts ppl on ignore yet responds to their threads and when confronted he ignores them, alas its a spam, plagiarizes and has no respect for anyone on this forum. I PM-ed numerous posters and they agree, and I would welcome all posters who has problems with this poster. Permanent ban, should the ban fail I call on all posters to put him on ignore.

 

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While I don't agree with most things he says and I find his biased ignorance to be somewhat annoying along with his childish acts of putting those that prove him wrong on ignore, I don't think he should be banned. He's a different voice and we need that to keep discussions “fair and balanced” (heh). The reason why I like reading what he says, even if I may disagree with it, is because there are many people that actually do hold the same beliefs (regarding Bush, politics, and U.S. attrocities, anyways) as him, so I get to sadly see how some people think about those subjects with a huge bias. Darn those Republikans.

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So basically he can speak for that side of the people and everyone else can speak for the other, and those that just read the boards and don't actually post, can make their own decisions for themselves. It’s much easier to show one side as correct when the other side is showing ignorance on their part rather than having nothing but one-sided conversations. Things tend to be less believable and seen as propoganda when everything is one-sided, even if what is said is usually correct. But if one doesn’t care about the lurking posters and readers, then I guess it doesn’t matter.

I just find resorting to banning people to be childish too. Unless the person is nothing but a spammer and posts nothing but obvious nonsense and causes other sorts of trouble, then it's justified, but disagreements are a whole 'nother thing, as hard as it may be to stomach for some.

- N

 

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Unless the person is nothing but a spammer and posts nothing but obvious nonsense and causes other sorts of trouble, then it's justified, but disagreements are a whole 'nother thing, as hard as it may be to stomach for some.

Have you read his posts lately? Do you honeslty believe the crap being written is opinionated? I suspect that most members of the forum agree that Karma is another troller who here just to cause problems.

 

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Agreed he wont fully engage in much of a debate with me and avoids follow ups .

 

I personally find these forums the best i have been on, regarding how busy they are and how marvelously anarchic they are. lt me explain that term a mo (some people imagine it means disordered mayhem)....what i mean is that this site is INTELLIGENTLY moderated (and i ant brown nosin). in that you don't NOTCE fascist moderation like what i've been used to from various diverse forums i have been with, including such famus ones like the Lycaeum (purportedly to be about free expression, ecstasy, end of Drug War, etc)........This place self regulates itself and it open for all vieews, and passions, and mistakes, and real exploration. which is what is should be
Infidels forum was a fukin NIGHTMARE! jeeez, you would be commnicating, and someone may say boo...get a little passionate. and out appeared a moderator giving warnings with red ink...lockin threads...all manner of officiousness

i have been thrown off several forums for speaking my truth, and always wondered if a free busy forum actually existed. well here it is. so i of course dont want to get into the banning trip now do i

sure, some here challenge my view. So does
karmashock. but LEARN from it. don't scapegoat. if you like, start a thread ABOUT scapegoating, what i means, its history etc. that would be MUCH more fruitful than actually scapegoating

 

I just read some of Karmashock's posts, and I see no reason why he should be banned. Since when is it wrong to have an opposing opinion.

If he bothers you, use the ignore button.

 

.....and just rememberd. Infidels forums had a really pleasant little forum. near the top of the page titled 'Banned Users'!
So you could keep up with who they'd dumped
nice huh?

 

He annoys the hell out of me, by his refusal to admit when he is wrong. But he is no worse than Mr. G. If Mr. G doesn't get banned for that sort of behavior, neither should Karmadick.

It isn't in our hands anyway.

 

Its not his opinion that pisses us off, its his style which is immature and not conducive to the long term health of the forum.

 

Undecided, do ya have links to specific instances? Only judging by what post of Karmashock's I've read, I don't see a reason to ban him. Perhaps I'm not posting in the right threads?

 

Remember its not so much that is overtly insulting, its that he is pointlessly wasting space, and alas is insulting, look at this brownosing here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44784

Its annoying, and not conducive to the operation of the forum.

 

In my opinion, placing a user on 'ignore' when he is winning the argument is poor form indeed. I don't really care what Karma believes, but it is a kick in the balls when he pretty much ignores his opponent, and claims to have won the argument.
That constitutes a form of spamming, in my opinion.

 

I don't believe that by banning a member with a different oppinion you get rid of the different oppinion. Nor do I believe that it is appropriate to ban a different oppinion as long as it is an oppinion not whining, spamming or smthing simillar.
Maybe he's just as annoyed with you as you are with him.
I agree with Neildo that Karmashock is a good representative of his group of thought. People must be aware that such oppinions exist, thus we can more likely predict events dealing with the US.

 

Karmashock is being pretty stupid by putting you on his ignore list to avoid further argument and calling ya a troll. I don't think it's über-serious, though. I support both sides, if such is possible.

 

duendy:

I am a moderator of the Political Discussions forum on Internet Infidels.

I understand why you are a bit outraged about the moderation, since it can sometimes be a bit heavy-handed.

However, there are good reasons for doing so. If we allow one insult to slip through the cracks, then everyone takes this as a thumbs up to hurl insults as well. Before you know it, a perfectly good thread has turned into a sniping match, or worse, a flame war.

This is seen as unexceptable on a forum for intellectuals.

Also, there is the problem that one could be accused of not acting in a 'fair and biased' manner. Forums such as Internet Infidels and sciforums mainly accomodate atheists, and thus are in a terrible position when being accused by theists of acting in a slanted manner.

Thus, while the moderation on IIDB could be seen as harsh, it is done to keep the peace, and to show that we are indeed fair and balanced, despite being a sanctuary for freethinkers and atheists.

 

This is a forum to debate issues by not following up debates you are not adding too the forum . It is very frustrating when members dont do this so you have to see undecided point of view . Undecided is a prolific poster here , when he chooses to answer a thread he will do it fully providing facts and figures and will sufficiently follow up on the debate . This should be a reciprocal attitude that way keeping it so .

 

Yes its a matter of simlpe respect...and how forums by definition work.

 

Actually I think that it's a matter of how intelligently other members react to such posts.
As for my experience, I've been administrating a Latvian forum since late 2002 and it's still alive and active with high culture of post quality.

 

Of course its Latvian...I think even the most idiotic person on Earth should have a conception of manners.

 

The level of intelligence on this forum is high , and should be kept so , that is why I am concerned about this poster and there are a few others . It is not arrogance on my behalf just concern on keeping this forum a good place for debate . Flame wars , trolling and overall deliberately ignorant posting must be routed too keep this forum active intellectually .