Bad Stuff

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Clarentavious, Feb 13, 2003.

  1. Clarentavious Person Registered Senior Member

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    Bad sh*t

    Something is going to happen, and it is going to happen very, very, soon.

    On the live news channels like CNN, they've just reported missiles have been discovered in Iraq that are in clear breach of the UN security counsel's resolutions. That is because, theses missiles can travel beyond that range allowed by the UN. The maximum range permitted is 93 miles, theses missiles may be able to travel 150 miles. The chief weapon inspectors will allow make another report to the UN security counsel tomorrow.

    They've also just reported, North Korea may have missiles capable of reaching the western coast of the u.s. On top of the fact they may be able to use spent fuel rods from their nuclear reactors for plutonium.

    They've also just recommended to americans, along with the increased threat level of orange, that people should stock up on emergency supplies in case of a terrorists attack. The attack could be a bio, or chemical attack on a water supply, or in densely populated areas; or possibly the likes of a bomb being detonated at a mall or hotel.

    And now the president is coming to my home town this morning, and will be traveling throughout the rest of Florida I think they just reported.

    Oh boy, I can't wait

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    Something is going to happen, and I reckon it will be within the next few days.
     
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  3. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    Tolerance, respect, understanding and logic.

    When will people get it ?

    I am truly dissapointed in our race: is this really the best we can
    do ? I still have hope for this planet and its inhabitants... but gee.
     
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  5. A4Ever Knows where his towel is Registered Senior Member

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    You forget that India and Pakistan have nucleair weapons AND a conflict.

    US are going to attack Iraq anyway, rockets or not. There is too much depending on it from an economic point of view, and as you know Economy is the only God. (as in: God bless America)

    North Korea will think twice before attacking with nucleair weapons or before attacking at all. If they do, they'll be wiped in no time. US will andwer with da bomb as well.
     
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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    maybe belgium will intervene and bring worldpeace to us all
     
  8. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Iraqi missiles that can go 150 Miles?

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    DUCK AND COVER AMERICANS!!!

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    And all you kids who joined up for some college tuition- Start Fightin' and Dyin' NOW!!:bugeye:

    Does the Bush administration make any sense? Are we all going mad?
     
  9. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    The world lost its sanity a long time ago.
     
  10. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    when america attacts to another country,its called war; and whenever they hit us its terror.. is it fair-what do you think?
     
  11. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone hear about some guy that wrote an article about "How to catch a terrorist with duct tape and plastic" ? I've heard rumors that after that article, all the Home Depot's around my area are sold out of duct tape.....And there are suspicions about a chemical bomb (whatever that means...the good old dynamite is chemical isn't it?) around NYC.

    And because of all these rumors, kids in my school are starting to stereotype the "enemy" as I've heard many times just today. I find it very disturbing that after one kid said if he'd see a "raghead" he'll beat him on the spot....and even worse, a girl responded by saying that the Iraqi's were the ones we're fighting. I haven't seen a question asking if the Iraqi people are in support of Saddam's way of governing....but the President has made it clear that if war were to be enacted, it would be to take Saddam out of power........will the Iraqi people fight for Saddam out of their homes or will they rejoice as, "America, God bless America for saving our souls!" ?. But before that can be answered, some Americans need to know that this isn't fighting against the Iraqi people, it's against their government. Although that is fighting the people but indirectly fighting them.

    The President is steamlining his "War against terror" and he'll use that for rallying support against any opposition he sees fit for invading. He'll also push the being-a-coward-bit if we are attacked by a single missle from another country, and since the attack was not organized and not conducted to what conventional warfare is thought as, it's terror. Terrorism can be what ever you want it to be as long as you have something that's bigger and less "cowardly."
     
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  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    <i>"Something is going to happen, and it is going to happen very, very, soon."</i>

    Damn right! The world is about to change. Hang on!

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  13. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Don't act so surprised.
     
  15. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    grazzhopa..
    america is bombing iraq's oil reserves and oil companies nonstop for the last 12 years.. many (less crowdy) innocent people are dying every day.. what do you thing/ is it war or terror?
    and one more thing.. do you really believe its america's business to save the people from their presidents..? i do not know if you checked middle eastern newspapers but, citizens support for him is 100%..
    america wants to put a puppet government over there, thats it all about..
     
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  16. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    What you say America has been doing over there I'd call terrorism, except that there are loopholes through the UN resolutions which justifies dropping a bomb. I think it's horrible that the US is using the UN to get something they want, while major countries in the UN don't want it. I heard tonight on the news that a New Jersey (my state....I'm gonna write a letter to this guy) congressman is proposing a "boycott" of French and German products because those countries aren't cooporating with what the US wants!!!!! What the hell! And unbelievablly, the news channel said Americans want this!!!!! They interviewed an Italian resturant and the owner said he got rid of all his French wine which was %40 of his entire stock. I'm seriously starting to hate what my government does when it wants something that it shouldn't have.

    I brought up if the Iraqi people support their president because I was wondering if the Iraqi people would take up arms to defend their country if the US invaded. The fact that a kid said the war is against the Iraqi people was why I was wondering. I thought the purpose was to get rid of the Iraq government....and I distinguish between government and it's people.

    The US should get's snout out of so-called "humanitarian" wars and let the UN and NATO worry about it. What was the President's message?...something along the lines that Saddam was a threat to peace all over the world, and that he's used weapons of mass destruction on his own people. OK, I'd say that would fall under humantarian action and not an invasion. What does the US have to gain from "saving" the Iraqi people from their president? Control of resources of that country for one.

    If the US invades Iraq and creates a puppet government no one in America will care. Just like Afghanistan...we took that place over citing "humanitarian actions" for liberating the women over there and creating a less hostile environment for the people....then the government turns to Iraq. Afghanistan news is old....the American people don't care because of this tension over Iraq. After Iraq, the tension will go to North Korea, so the people will turn their heads away from what's happening in Iraq.
     
  17. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    middle east is a longgg story my friend.. one of the biggest reason why america is that powerfull today.. what america is doing there for years is not as clean as you thing..
    did you know america is getting 20% percent of all oil sales in saudi arabia? and they (first in their history) borrowed money from another country after that contract?
    giving green light to saddam to enter kuweyt and suddenly deciding to protect kuweyt is all coincidence? do you think kuweyt did not pay for this favor with a good contract like that?
    UN has no problem with Iraq, nobody has.. Please guys stop acting like you are saving the world..world is much safer place w/out BUSH..
     
  18. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you pillowtalk

    You are hitting the key points that most Americans do not understand, and making me feel less alone in the attempt. Good work!
     
  19. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    hypewaders..
    when i was living in my thirld world country, like all the other nonamericans in the world, i could reach many different kind of inf. resources.. for example, althought i am a jewish (with many relatives-friends who lives in israel) i saw, i experienced the real story in israel.. unlike any jewish people in US (althought i had a more painfull family history then most of them because of my location) i am saying, and i am insisting on that '' palestanians are not militans''..there is a war over there... its again a long story..
    and as a beautiful blonde with a math. degree, i was really NOT INTO politics at all.. with a difference then america, in a thirld world country,everybody knows its too late to save your country.. And i was believing -like all the other nonamericans /thats why they hate americans, today- that ,americans are aware of whats going on..those days, i was thinking that US is using the power that they had-- naturally..which was fair-not painfull to accept..
    and i moved down to US... one day, after i talked with friends in tel aviv and learned israel army-with the help of US entered to a city and killed hundreds of palestanians and the same day i listened CNN and saw how the news are filtered in US media, the image of the country of freedooms is totally shakened in my head..
    and starting that day, it became painfull to listen and talk w/the people who are NOT aware of anything.. People who see themselves like hollwood movie actors- really, honestly believe if there was not america, the world would be in deep shit..
    no misunderstanding please,i am not angry or anti american.. i love americans..like the way i love palestanians..i am a world-citizen and honestly a big humanist...


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  20. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    What?? Bombing oil reserves and oil companies? Can you provide some documentation for that?

    Yes, I guess that 100% support is why representatives from six different Iraqi dissident groups met in London last month to discuss a post-Saddam Iraq. They didn't seem too supportive of him.

    Huh? The US has no troops in Israel. How exactly do you mean the Israeli army had US help? And when has the Israeli army needed help in bullying the Palestinians?

    I will agree that most Americans probably don't get enough outside news from international services. Hell, many Americans probably don't even pay much attention to national news, much less international. However, that doesn't apply to all Americans. Cable does provide the BBC, and the Internet does allow access to links to news agencies anywhere in the world.
     
  21. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Huh? The US has no troops in Israel.
    Coldrake- OK footsoldiers, no. Advisors, Contractors, R&D, Brass? Hundreds.
    How exactly do you mean the Israeli army had US help?
    $5,000,000,000.00 per year, give or take, including all needed intel all our top-shelf equipment including nuclear weapons.
    And when has the Israeli army needed help in bullying the Palestinians?
    With every bullet, every coverup, every one-sided raw deal Israel wanted to foist on the Palestinians.

    I am shocked, Coldrake. You are usually so well-informed. Why do you have a blind spot when it comes to Israel?
     
  22. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    You and I both know that US advisors don't tell the Iraqis what palestinian towns to strike.

    And I wish we didn't give them a dime.

    And when has the Israeli army needed help in bullying the Palestinians?
    That really didn't answer my question, hype. You do know Israel has its own military/industrial complex now don't you?

    Hype, I have no blind spot about Israel. I have absolutely no use for Israel, and I'm the first to argue that the Palestinians have gotten a raw deal beginning with the Balfour Agreement. I thought that Truman made a mistake in his rush to recognize Israel as a state, and I don't like the fact that the Jewish lobby seems to have such a strong grasp on Washington.

    But what I was wanting was for Pillowtalk to explain his/her statements. He/she says that Americans don't get a true view of what is going on in the world, yet some of those claims I have to question. If the US was bombing oil fields in Iraq, some agencies in the world would be carrying this news, and if the US was actively involved in aiding the Israelis in Palestinian towns (which is what Pillowtalk implied) then it would be making Palestinian news (and there are Palestinian news agencies on the Internet).
     
  23. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    i am a greek-jew (her), who was born and raised in Turkey-a muslim country.. degree is math, interest is middle east history.. reading a lot.. reading everybodies opinions, talking with muslims, middle eastern jews, european jews, christians who lives in beyrut, christians who live in europe.. listening their own stories..and thinking about them, and at the end my own opinions..after 30 years experience..
    but...who knows...i may be wrong..
    but the point is if i am wrong, and if you have a free media, why i never see this type of opinions anywhere?i am reading a long article about why arabs hate americans on Times magazine, and trully there is nothing in it..i know, why arabs hate americans, they are right or wrong ,but, thats not the reason of this hatred that i am reading on there..
    i may be wrong about my interpretations on middle east (and i really prefer to be wrong-because its painfull this way), but i can tell you some about the country that i live for 30 years..
    its the colony of america.. with a puppet government, does whatever america wants..did you know, the american jets using INCIRLIK-ADANA airbase is bombing Iraq nonstop for 12 years.. and since Turkey is in middle east region, from the tv's in Turkey, you can watch iraq channels showing the cities or areas bombing.. and on the national news, you read the information about the damage..
    germany, france etc.. they are all disaggre to that war, because they know whats it is really about..
    and althought 96%of the population do not want that war w/the neighbour, Turkey is in the -somebody elses war.. and interestingly, on US media, i again did not read anything about the big pressure of america on them..
    on 02/11 i read on bbc news, in the UK, an opinion poll in the Times this week found that 51% of those questioned saw Tony Blair as a US-poodle.but althought this relationship, bbc news usually more fair then CNN/NY times..you can check out sometimes, you will see more fair interpretations about Israel and palestanian situation...and one question..does it make any sense, althought i am a jewish, i am talking like that?
    do you want me to prove something aganist US government? you are underestimating cia..
    but of course in middle east, you can watch many poor quality hand cam stuff about the falling down palestanians villages, or the tortures that israel army is making to the relatives of suiceder bombers, etc..and you hear soooo many stories from real people..
    about the american support to israel- besides the yearly wage, did you know how many nukes america just gave to israel to protect himself from the nonexisting weapons of iraq?


    AND SORRY FROM ALL OF YOU FOR MY BAD ENGLISH..
    i really appreciate..



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