Looks like Bush's final push

http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-09-voa1.cfm Congress Debates Temporary US Troop Surge in Iraq

No....

No....
It will at least not make it worse? Or You samdkey say... he needs an approval from an Islamic cleric... :) :) :)

Only if they change the rules of engagement, and worry more about our own troops then the terrorist, the last war we won was WWII use the same rules of engagement as then.

It will at least not make it worse? Or You samdkey say... he needs an approval from an Islamic cleric... :) :) :)Saddam will be replaced by a fundamentalist cleric. You and your failed state will be even more threatened. I LOVE IT!!

There's a difference between turning tail and running and knowing when to quit.

The US's defeat in Iraq was inevitable. I'm just sorry to see our military go down the way that it is going to go down.

I'm not even against having a standing army. What I am against is braindead military adventurism that eats money and resources with no return. It is not worth half a trillion dollars to kill Saddam when we badly needed those resources here at home, like the dikes around New Orleans.

No it won't do anything. It's not enough troops to make a difference.

genji/samdkey, Saddam was influenced no less by fundamentalism Islam, then he used it in his dictatorship (when he wanted to).

Only if they change the rules of engagement, and worry more about our own troops then the terrorist, the last war we won was WWII use the same rules of engagement as then.Meaning: Disregard civilians and kill em all, let God sort em out? Sounds worse than Hussein ever was. Not every Iraqi fighting illegal occupation of their country is a 'terrorist.' The word has lost it's meaning anyway.

No it won't do anything. It's not enough troops to make a difference.
what's the solution besides 'cut & run'?

genji/samdkey, Saddam was influenced no less by fundamentalism Islam, then he used it in his dictatorship (when he wanted to).Now we will have a black turbaned Real fundamentalist in power. You Jews have something to fear from that.

Only if they change the rules of engagement, and worry more about our own troops then the terrorist, the last war we won was WWII use the same rules of engagement as then.wow that was the most reply with some real sense, yes so true, we worry about our enemies more than we worry about OUR guys.

what's the solution besides 'cut & run'?Cut and Run FAST! Then bill the Republican Party and Israel for the trillion dollars wasted.

Now we will have a black turbaned Real fundamentalist in power. You Jews have something to fear from that.so do we Irishmen.

what's the solution besides 'cut & run'?

There is probably no good solution except leaving.

wow that was the most reply with some real sense, yes so true, we worry about our enemies more than we worry about OUR guys.I agree! If we had worried more about AMERICA'S problems and needs instead of enemies in countries Israel is afraid of we would not be a trillion in debt and have killed more Iraqis than Hussein.

so do we Irishmen.

you're not Irish.

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Minister for Development Co-operation pledges further support for humanitarian relief and recovery in Lebanon and Palestine at Donor Conference in Stockholm

Minister of State Conor Lenihan, T.D, is today representing Ireland at a donor conference in support of recovery in Lebanon. The conference is hosted by Sweden, in close cooperation with the Government of Lebanon and the United Nations.
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0145a8233e14d2b585256cbf005af141/4a86d9d5c763fb6b852571dc00699976!OpenDocument


Remember the IRA?

Muslim bashing Israel? nothing new!

Always a coput.

US needs Israel (in war on terror & stoping spread of jihad) more than the other way around, silly Militant Muslim genji/samkey.Then again I am sure that pro-terrorists say the other way around.

jihad-samdkey/genjy, I am Irish like Sean Hannity & Bill O'reilly, my 2 great heroes.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=61915 Bill Orielly PROUD CHRISTIAN

That sure is something to be proud of. :bugeye:

Muslim bashing Israel? nothing new!

Always a coput.

US needs Israel (in war on terror & stoping spread of jihad) more than the other way around, silly Militant Muslim genji/samkey.Then again I am sure that pro-terrorists say the other way around.More people hate you than muslims dumb#$#@. Many many more. Welfare Israel sucking US taxes to even stay alive. HILARIOUS.

jihad-samdkey/genjy, I am Irish like Sean Hannity & Bill O'reilly, my 2 great heroes.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=61915 Bill Orielly PROUD CHRISTIAN

Then you're American, not Irish.

Unless you identify with this, as Irishmen do.

What is the conflict in Northern Ireland about?

Following a 1916 uprising and years of guerrilla war led by the legendary Irish nationalist Michael Collins, the British government decided in 1920 to split up Ireland, which it had ruled as a colony for centuries. An independent state was created in the island’s predominantly Catholic south; a smaller, northern district called Ulster, with a Protestant majority, remained part of the United Kingdom.

Since then, many Catholic “republicans” (also known as “nationalists”) have complained of feeling like second-class citizens in Ulster and have backed the IRA’s quest for a united Ireland free of British rule. On the other side, Protestant “unionists” (also known as “loyalists”) want to stay loyal to the British crown; backed by their own paramilitaries, the unionists have opposed the IRA’s attempts to expel the British. More than 3,200 people on both sides have died since what the Irish call “the Troubles” began in 1969.



What kind of attacks has the IRA carried out?

Since the late 1960s, the IRA has killed about 1,800 people, including about 650 civilians. The IRA’s primary targets were British troops, police officers, prison guards, and judges—many of them unarmed or off-duty—as well as rival paramilitary militants, drug dealers, and informers in Ulster. Major IRA terrorist attacks include:

* the July 1972 bombing spree known as Bloody Friday, in which downtown Belfast was rocked by twenty-two bombs in seventy-five minutes, leaving nine dead and 130 injured;
* the 1979 assassination of Lord Mountbatten, Queen Elizabeth II’s uncle;
* the 1984 bombing of aBrighton hotel where then British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her cabinet were meeting, which wounded several British officials and killed four other Britons;
* a 1993 car bombing inLondon’s financial district that killed one person and caused $1 billion of damage;
* mortar attacks on the British prime minister’s 10 Downing Street residence and London’s Heathrow Airport in the early 1990s;
* and high-profile bombings of civilian targets, including pubs and subway stations, inNorthern Irelandand mainland Britain throughout the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9240/

Neocon is a Judeofascist JDL terrorist.

Yes, he is Kiwi. Internet terrorist.

Yes, he is Kiwi. Internet terrorist.Are sockpuppets of banned members banned? How PATHETIC the little troll has to slither back over & over! How humiliating that would be.:p

spider, Christian values are nothing?

I am against terrorism, and a proud right wing Irishman, take it or leave it.

Being proud of having a common ancestry with Hannity and O'Reilly is pathetic. Nothing against Irish people or Christians.

Fascist-Jihadi= genji/samdkey, yes! Irish American.

I am against terrorism, and a proud right wing Irishman, take it or leave it.

You're no Irishman.

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http://www.ipsc.ie/

I am against terrorism, and a proud right wing Irishman, take it or leave it.:rolleyes: Leave here sockpuppet loser. Judeofascism isn't interesting enough. A terrorist lover from a terrorist state is opposed to terrorism:rolleyes: Unless it's non Jewish fascists. Get a job.

Being proud of having a common ancestry with Hannity and O'Reilly is pathetic. Nothing against Irish people or Christians.What is pathetic about? elaborate.

Being proud of having a common ancestry with Hannity and O'Reilly is pathetic. Nothing against Irish people or Christians.Bill Clinton is HUGELY popular in Ireland. They love him. The Kahanite even smells Israeli.

genji/samdkey, is it frustration that makes a problem in language?

Bill Clinton is HUGELY popular in Ireland. They love him. The Kahanite even smells Israeli.
jihad-genji/samkey

not sure what you mean by smells, Are you an Islamofascist that you keep using the word facist over and over again?
Bill was a loser, without any principles.

genji/samdkey, is it frustration that makes a problem in language?:p Crawling back to this site after being banned over & over again is so pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you. Looks like Israeli terrorism will need a new defender! Need a life? Duh!

Looks like Bush's final push

YES!!! Finally a neo-conservative to debate with!

What is pathetic about? elaborate.

Maybe you should start a thread about it. Wait, you already did. How about discussing Bush's "surge" strategy?

:p Crawling back to this site after being banned over & over again is so pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you. Looks like Israeli terrorism will need a new defender! Need a life? Duh!

Let's debate the neo-conservative respectfully, maybe we can learn something. Obviously this guy understands the Presidents agenda better than any of us, so we should be open minded and listen.

frustrated jihad muslim militant: genji/samdkey

Whatever your problem are in life, I do not understand nor your language nor your answers.

Maybe you should start a thread about it. Wait, you already did. How about discussing Bush's "surge" strategy?exactly.

jihad-genji/samkey

not sure what you mean by smells, Are you an Islamofascist that you keep using the word facist over and over again?
Bill was a loser, without any principles.Ireland LOVES Bill! I'm an atheist hater of Israel and her terrorism. Jew fascists are hated the world over. Nothing is more pathetic. Need a job or a life? Obviously or you wouldn't be desperately seeking attention here.

No it won't do anything. It's not enough troops to make a difference.

It will piss them off and if they go for it, we will no longer have much of a military.

I was right about your Islamofascism genji/samdkey, since every reply you blame the joooos.
if the jews would listen to me they would crack on those muslim terrorists like you and not being so nice to you guys.
all day long you muslim militant fascist have in mind one thing: joos, joos, joos.
is that all Quran has to offer? losers?

It will piss them off and if they go for it, we will no longer have much of a military.
there is a point.

I was right about your Islamofascism genji/samdkey, since every reply you blame the joooos.I do at least. As long as I'm paying for it I will talk about it. To be an Islamofascist you must be a Muslim. I hate all Abrahamic faiths. Especially yours.

You're no Irishman.

Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign
http://www.ipsc.ie/

Is this normal? Do we have to call people names like Jihad Judy and Irishman to debate politics?

From a neutral position, assuming you dislike both palestinians, jews, and Americans, will a military surge reduce terror or not?

Yes or No?

I was right about your Islamofascism genji/samdkey, since every reply you blame the joooos.
if the jews would listen to me they would crack on those muslim terrorists like you and not being so nice to you guys.
all day long you muslim militant fascist have in mind one thing: joos, joos, joos.
is that all Quran has to offer? losers?:p :p

fascist-genji, don't hide your islam, it will get you nowhere.

This is fun, but if we don't discuss the issues it will be cesspooled.

I do at least. As long as I'm paying for it I will talk about it. To be an Islamofascist you must be a Muslim. I hate all Abrahamic faiths. Especially yours.

Can we discuss this from a practical neutral point of view?

Can the plan work or not? How many troops would it take to secure victory? How many Iraqi's have to be killed to defeat the terrorists? What is the best path to victory and success in Iraq?

fascist-genji, don't hide your islam, it will get you nowhere.Aloha Okbar!! Atheists don't believe in gods.

timetraveller, genji/samdkey had since the BEGINNING of his replies to this thread, something about jews.
if islamofascism keeps blaming 'fascism" on it;s victims, it will only keep growing, even if they claim to be "not muslim'.

Genji is not Samcdkey.

This is fun, but if we don't discuss the issues it will be cesspooled.Great Idea

This is fun, but if we don't discuss the issues it will be cesspooled.

Ok you answer it. Can more troop force strength secure a victory in Iraq?

Can the might of the American military force Iraqis into submission or will it backfire?

This is fun, but if we don't discuss the issues it will be cesspooled.yes it is, I am ok, I think genji/samdkey, should stop with personal attacks & calling in a (islamo)fascist manner: all people 'joos' & even calling other people "fascists" imagine that! , and more to the ISSUE.

timetraveller, genji/samdkey had since the BEGINNING of his replies to this thread, something about jews.
if islamofascism keeps blaming 'fascism" on it;s victims, it will only keep growing, even if they claim to be "not muslim'.

Mr.Neo Con, when will the war end, and how will we know victory is achieved?

If we had the troops, there is a small chance that a massive occupation combined with economic stimulation could have a positive effect. As I said at the beginning of this affair, we only have to send every gun toting redneck with a 4x4 over to Iraq to hang out on every corner. Anything short of that is futile.

Ok you answer it. Can more troop force strength secure a victory in Iraq?

Can the might of the American military force Iraqis into submission or will it backfire?The idea is also to be able to bring in the Iraqi Arabs to learn while US is conducting the "overhead" anti terror operations, which the US was not able to do both (training & fighting) at the same time.

St least the 2, spidergoat & timetraveller are replying to the issue.

If we had the troops, there is a small chance that a massive occupation combined with economic stimulation could have a positive effect. As I said at the beginning of this affair, we only have to send every gun toting redneck with a 4x4 over to Iraq to hang out on every corner. Anything short of that is futile.
You are correct, however street-terror operations are very complicated, only natural why the Israelis are having such a great difficult time, when militants use a civilian house to shoot from there, what do you do?
How to you shoot the terrorist and not the child?

You mind your own business.
Look how readily Iraqis form militias. They will figure it out or die trying. If not for the oil no one would care.

You mind your own business.
Look how readily Iraqis form militias. They will figure it out or die trying. If not for the oil no one would care.militias yes, guerillas yes, not forming a respected classical army, that was Arabs nations' propblem always, fighting dirty.

Conservatives also believe in fighting dirty it seems. What's the difference?

militias yes, guerillas yes, not forming a respected classical army, that was Arabs nations' propblem always, fighting dirty.

The "classical" armies don't seem to do so well do they?:rolleyes:

no argument there, samd.

Yes, and the reason is we don't use them in the classical way.