Assuming God exists, how do you know what 'he' prefers? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I know because I can rely on the doctrines and customs of the universal Church known and visible to all, The Roman Catholic, which, as an authoritative body of cardinals and the Pope, and in its mystical character, cannot deceive nor be decieved.

God is not cruel. Christ would not have left his Apostles without an anchor of certitude concerning the Truth, and true doctrines, and the means for discerning them.

Christ is the divinity of Mercy, his only hope being for the welfare of all souls. Why would he ascend to Heavan and just leave humans without a sure and constant source of grace?

If Christ had just died and left without beginning a one true Church, would you not consider him ignorant of human nature? Human nature, corrupted by sin, is fallible and, unable to determin the truth by itself, easily falls into schism and heresy.

The Creator above all knows human nature, (since He created it) so he revealed to Mankind a singular and fitting religion, and since there is only one human nature then there can only be one fitting religion appropriate for that human nature. All other religions fall short.

Those others who make claim to be the religion of the true God are in error.

This is not to say that we do not tolerate or even appreciate other religions according to their merits, but we cannot accept them as the singular true religion which is revealed from God. The other religions have too much of human design in them. Perhaps we have too much human sinfulness in our Church, but we are confident that our faith is the one given by Christ.

Our faith, because it is revealed, often seems absurd to those outside of it, and many call us intolerant, but we are not.

God is not cruel.
seems to me me you only pick and choose the good parts from your book, try reading the whole bible sometimes
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I know because I can rely on the doctrines and customs of the universal Church known and visible to all, The Roman Catholic, which, as an authoritative body of cardinals and the Pope, and in its mystical character, cannot deceive nor be decieved.


YOU CANT BE SERIOUS............. THEY ARE MEN YA KNOW....

-MT...

please explain further.

MEN... SINNERS... you do remmber the dark ages???
the inquisition???

the burning of witches???

for you to say they are un-falible... is nonsense...


i do not challenge your faith in GOD.... only your faith in men,...
men who claim to represent GOD... and can never prove it.

and by their historical actions... we, as rational humans, must have some doubt.

not doubt in JESUS or GOD... but doubt in any men... men are all sinners.

-MT

"trust not in princes', yes, sacred scripture teaches us not to trust in men so I do not. The Church is not just a collection of humans however. It is the instrument of God on earth. God uses humans as his instruments. When we follow what they say about God we do so on behalf of God. If they do us wrong than it is on their soul. Nevertheless, in the area of core doctrine they cannot err.

Mosheh,

not doubt in JESUS or GOD... Why not? These are also only concepts developed by man, and you have no way to show otherwise.

I know because I can rely on the doctrines and customs of the universal Church known and visible to all, The Roman Catholic, which, as an authoritative body of cardinals and the Pope, and in its mystical character, cannot deceive nor be decieved.

God is not cruel. Christ would not have left his Apostles without an anchor of certitude concerning the Truth, and true doctrines, and the means for discerning them.

Christ is the divinity of Mercy, his only hope being for the welfare of all souls. Why would he ascend to Heavan and just leave humans without a sure and constant source of grace?

If Christ had just died and left without beginning a one true Church, would you not consider him ignorant of human nature? Human nature, corrupted by sin, is fallible and, unable to determin the truth by itself, easily falls into schism and heresy.

The Creator above all knows human nature, (since He created it) so he revealed to Mankind a singular and fitting religion, and since there is only one human nature then there can only be one fitting religion appropriate for that human nature. All other religions fall short.

Those others who make claim to be the religion of the true God are in error.

This is not to say that we do not tolerate or even appreciate other religions according to their merits, but we cannot accept them as the singular true religion which is revealed from God. The other religions have too much of human design in them. Perhaps we have too much human sinfulness in our Church, but we are confident that our faith is the one given by Christ.

Our faith, because it is revealed, often seems absurd to those outside of it, and many call us intolerant, but we are not.

Don't forget to give us some more of your arguments against evolution, the last one was hilarious!
You write this stuff as if it was accepted fact, which couldn't be further from the truth. What's more I fail to see what your point is??
Try this as an exercise: briefly explain your religion and why it should be followed to a person that has no knowledge of any religion and no belief in God, perhaps because they have been locked in a box for 20 years (so they will have no social experiences). I'm interested to read how you would go about this....

cannot deceive nor be decieved.
Fuck, you're naive.

God is not cruel.
Tell that to the egyptians and the canaanites; or do you think that genocide is not cruel?

Why would he ascend to Heavan and just leave humans without a sure and constant source of grace?
'Cause he's a dick.

often seems absurd to those outside of it,
It is absurd. It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and doesn't even provide any proof or evidence. Everything about your religion defies logic and the laws of physics.

i am the church.

[QUOTE=Hapsburg]Fuck, you're naive.


Tell that to the egyptians and the canaanites; or do you think that genocide is not cruel? These were the enemies of God's people, men who sought to destroy them. In his love for his people, and for the future believers, God smote down these idolaters. the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away.


'Cause he's a dick. God does not think that of you. In fact, God thinks very highly of you. God has great hope in you.


It is absurd. It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and doesn't even provide any proof or evidence. Everything about your religion defies logic and the laws of physics. divine things are not to be prostetuted and put up to examination by mere mortals.

why are you so angry my friend?
Has God's faith upset you?
Please tell me of your wounds.
We can heal you through prayer.

These were the enemies of God's people, men who sought to destroy them. In his love for his people, and for the future believers, God smote down these idolaters. the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away.
Then this "lord" fella is an maniac. A bipolar sociopath. No matter who or what you are, it does not and cannot excuse genocide. This means that your "god" is really no better than adolf hitler or josef stalin or pol pot. Genocide is still genocide, and no matter who carries it out, it is still wrong.

God has great hope in you.
Your god does not exist, thus your statement is null and void.

divine things are not to be prosecuted and put up to examination by mere mortals.
Obviously, they can, because I just did.

Tell me Lawdog... if I came to you from a hell-as-weak supposed nation of herders and farmers and said "CONVERT TO BUDDHISM! IT IS THE TRUE PATH! DO IT OR FEED BUDDHAS WRATH!!" .. do u expect me to believe u would convert? If not, thats exactly what the "idolaters" did... and tell me... praying to a cross on a wall or praying to a statue of the "blessed mother" ... how is THAT not idolatry? you are praying to a friggin STATUE

Buddha does not offer salvation

[QUOTE]Then this "lord" fella is an maniac. A bipolar sociopath. No matter who or what you are, it does not and cannot excuse genocide. This means that your "god" is really no better than adolf hitler or josef stalin or pol pot. Genocide is still genocide, and no matter who carries it out, it is still wrong.
genocide is not wrong on the part of God, only man. God has total and absolute dominion over all that he created.

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Obviously, they can, because I just did.
You know that it is wrong to do so, humans have no such right concerning divine mysteries. Learn humility.

Doggy, circular argument. The Catholic Church came up with the theology you are attributing to Jesus, who had the opportunity but did not start a temple. There was some diversity of opinion even among the disciples about the exact nature of Jesus' teaching.

In particular, the Catholics chose not to attribute much value to the opinion of Mary.

i am the church.

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M*W: Yeah, and you also claim to be god and the virgin Mary and Thumbelina. Why don't you just STFU?

Buddha does not offer salvation

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M*W: Neither does your god, and that means you're delusional!

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M*W: Yeah, and you also claim to be god and the virgin Mary and Thumbelina. Why don't you just STFU?

because lori7 said: "go to church? i am the church!"

besides, i've never claimed to be virgin mary or thumbelina. and i never claimed that my person, c7, is god. only the omnipresent existence (self, consciousness) is.

So, what, you're a type-1 pantheist?

genocide is not wrong on the part of God, only man. God has total and absolute dominion over all that he created.
Genocide is defined as the elimination of attempted elimination of an entire generation of an ethnic, religious, racial, political, or economic group, in a fashion that would cause thier destruction.
It is a Crime Against Humanity as decreed by the Geneva convention, and is a crime condemned by both the UN and NATO. In short, Genocide is wrong, no matter who or what does it.
And even if your "god" held "total and absolute dominion" over everything, that still wouldn't make it right. Infact, it would make it worse, and that would show your lord for what it truly is: a tyrant.

You know that it is wrong to do so, humans have no such right concerning divine mysteries. Learn humility.
No. I bow to no tyrants, neither man nor god.
Sic semper tyrannus!

Buddha does not offer salvation

Exactly what proof is there that Jesus offers salvation? Texts? Texts cannot prove anything, and alas, I was referring to the Old Testament, long before "Jesus"

Buddha offers enlightenment, which is a kind of salvation that one can really experience in this life. I think Jesus offerred the same thing in another flavor. The trouble is this is a too subtle and rare philosophy for the masses. Christianity is a degenerate form of Jesus' teaching dumbed down for the common retard.

And even if your "god" held "total and absolute dominion" over everything, that still wouldn't make it right. Infact, it would make it worse, and that would show your lord for what it truly is: a tyrant.
Ok, so how do you know that genocide is wrong? Whats your basis for morality?

Society states genocide is wrong. Most people in the world agree that genocide is wrong. It is the destruction of fellow men on Earth, reducing the population. It is due to society and civilization that we come to the fact that genocide is wrong.

Society states????? most agree??? Thats a basis for morality? the Nazis formed a society. they agreed.

You must answer better.

Ok, so how do you know that genocide is wrong? Whats your basis for morality?
Thous shalt not kill. Will that do? Is God entitled to violate his own laws? If so, how can He expect His imperfect creations to respect them? I think He's asking too much.

So you agree that the commandment is from God?

So you agree that the commandment is from God?
Well it's in the Bible.

So it must be true.

The commandments are from some Jew.
In a sense, all inspiration is from the same source that produced you, so I guess you could say they came from God, if God is a metaphor for the vast unknowable complexity of the universe.

"Society states????? most agree??? Thats a basis for morality?"
Pretty much. That's what religion does anyway, they set up a system of values, often ostensibly based on some higher principles, in your case the authority of an alleged human representative of God.

Ok, so how do you know that genocide is wrong? Whats your basis for morality?I wouldn't want anyone doing that to me. How is that for a starting basis for morality?

Well it's in the Bible.

So it must be true.
Why must it be true if its in the Bible?