Many people follow astrology to guide their every day lives. Many others read the atsrology columns in newspapers and magazines.

Does anyone here believe any of that drivel? And if so then why?

Cris

PS. If you want to view my horoscope then my data is 17/Sep/1952, 8pm GMT, 0E15 Long, 51N26 Lat.

EDIT to add Chart link from strGrl -

Astrology Chart (http://my2.chartshop.com/scripts/runisa.dll?AO.1573242:FREEPROF2:1621437492.618 )

Follow the link and run your own analysis.

Have fun.

Can you give your birth place and state? I cant for the life of me find where to convert the longitude, latitude... If you can provide the exact time you were born - I can get a better profile.

I think its more for entertainment, but my profile is me to a tee. And every profile Ive done for people, is always exactly like them.


Groove on

Well i fit being a leo perfectly and i warn EVERYONE never to take my sister shopping (shes a libran and acts it to)

I don't know wether to belive it or not cause i always thought they were crap but i keep seeing istances of the daily ones fitting my life. I just think there funny and im not going to hid under the bed if it says im going to die

shes a libran and acts it to

Whats that supposed to mean? Im a Libra...

Libras RULE!!!

Exactly HOW long did it take you to deside on your avatar?:D

stRgrl,

Longitude 0 and latitude 51 = London England.

Exact time is not known. It is estimated to be within +-10 mins of 8pm GMT.

Have fun
Cris

Exactly HOW long did it take you to deside on your avatar?


Ahhaaaahaaaa.... Thats pretty funny:D Do you know when I go to a restauraunt - I literally have to make someone else choose what I order. Unless Im in the mood for something. Gosh were thee most undecisive peoples on this planet:D

Cris - Im running it now - Ill post it a little later on


Groove on

By all gods no. Primarily (as I understand it anyway) because it goes about saying that anybody born on a certain date has a certain behavior or personality characteristics.

Example (not that it may say this, but from everything I've read of it), saying that someone born in March is a hyper and talkitive person no matter what - and after meeting 500 people born in March, you might find 497 that are talkitive, and 3 that are relaxed and quiet/shy.

The Zodiac Brave Story. Shall we have a cup of tea?

If they want to say people who are generally born on certain dates behave in certain ways, fine. But I would never jump to a conclusion or make an assumption without knowing, of who someone is because they were born on a certain date.

Oh, and BTW, I don't believe in "gods" - just another phrase from a good ole place. :) I believe in a creator, but not gods.

Gibberish? Uh, don't you mean rubbish? ;)

Astrology is made up by humans. It is a very smart 'system' though. If you take every single human being, their birth time, place, and date of birth, there can be made a personal horoscope. It looks at your Zodiac sign, your ascendant, which is located in opposite of your Zodiac/birth sign, and your descendant and a lot more.

It is a complicated calculation system, which gives often a clear vision of the one for who the horoscope is calculated.

Horoscopes in newspapers, magazines and so on, are not accurate. The general meaning of the Zodiac signs, have a touch of base-truth in them. Often people are different from what the general meaning gives in this.

A personal horoscope may surprise you, it can say a lot about your personality. Now-a-days, the calculation is easy, because of the computers in which you can put the information and it calculates in a jiffy.

I used to do it by hand, worked pretty well.

Keep in mind please, that it is a made up thingy, not always true and/or accurate...:)

It is a very smart 'system' though. If you take every single human being, their birth time, place, and date of birth, there can be made a personal horoscope.

So if a group of people from around the world are born in the same instant they would have an identical horoscope. Especially if the mothers of everyone of these people happened to be traveling to the same place and their children were born in the same hospital and then the very next day they all returned to their place of origins and lived out their lives. What astrology infers is that this group of individuals have exactly the same horoscopes, hence exactly the same future.

It is a complicated calculation system, which gives often a clear vision of the one for who the horoscope is calculated.

Impossible. The example above completely disproves that theory.

Horoscopes in newspapers, magazines and so on, are not accurate. The general meaning of the Zodiac signs, have a touch of base-truth in them.

What base-truth? There is no truth whatsoever in astrology. The Zodiac signs are simply made up of distant objects that have absolutely nothing to do with each other and nothing to do with us. Their coordinates in the universe are ever changing. Those "pictures" that are the Zodiac signs will not be there in the future. What of astrology then?

A personal horoscope may surprise you, it can say a lot about your personality.

What a load of crap. I've yet to see anything that can accurately describe someone's personality. They are simple generalities inherent in all humans.

Keep in mind please, that it is a made up thingy, not always true and/or accurate...

Exactly. It is a complete crapshoot. I could tell you more about you're personality in 5 minutes just by asking a few simple questions.

Astrology is little more than mild mindless entertainment for the rational. As for the irrational.... ;)

General Personality Characteristics

At heart you are modest and humble, and you rarely strive to
be in the limelight or in a position of power. You have a sharp
analytical mind, a keen eye for detail, and you prefer to
observe, dissect, and study life from a distance. Conscientious
and conservative, you can be relied upon to be careful,
efficient, and thorough in your work and you take pride in doing
a job well. What you may lack in self-confidence you often make
up for in skill - developing expertise, technical knowledge, and
competency in some specialized area. You are adept at using your
hands to create or fix things, and meticulous attention to
detail and careful craftsmanship are your forte. Some would say
you are a little TOO meticulous, for you can be extremely
critical and petty if everything is not done exactly as you
think it should be, and you worry about things that other people
consider trivial and unimportant. You like to organize,
categorize, and arrange everything into a logical system, and
you are often distinctly uncomfortable when something does not
fit into a neat category. Disorganization vexes you. You
probably wish that you were not such a perfectionist, for
besides being a stickler for details, you can be mercilessly
self-critical as well. Whether in your environment or in
yourself, you tend to focus on the flaws, with a desire to
improve, refine, and perfect. You are strictly factual,
truthful, and scrupulously honest in your self-estimation, and
you often do not give yourself enough praise or credit.

You are also highly discriminating and may be especially
particular about your diet, hygiene, and health habits. You have
high aesthetic standards and refined sensitivities, and will be
bothered by elements in your surroundings (such as disorder,
cigarette smoke, etc.) that others overlook. Your tastes are
simple, understated, but refined. Coarseness, bluntness, and
vulgarity really offend you. You can be difficult to live with
sometimes because of your fastidiousness, your sensitivity, and
your idiosyncrasies about food and cleanliness.

Though you seem rather cool and self-contained, you have a
very helpful nature and you enjoy serving others. You are
content to be in a supportive, assisting role rather than in the
lead. You are quietly devoted to the ones you care for.

You are careful and cautious in your approach to life,
realistic, practical, and disinclined to gamble. You analyze
before you act. You are too serious sometimes. Allowing yourself
to play and to make mistakes would be HEALTHY for you!

Mental Interests and Abilities

You are an exacting perfectionist with a clear, logical,
analytical mind and an aptitude for work that requires
meticulous attention to detail and efficient organization.
Well-grounded and pragmatic, you tend to develop specialized
skills and technical expertise in some practical field.
Knowledge, ideas, and theories don't really interest you unless
they are useful in a tangible way. You are inclined to analyze,
measure, and dissect everything and to miss nuances, subtle
shades of feeling and meaning. Your strengths are in your
precise thinking, careful craftsmanship, and mastery of
technical skills. You tend to be very good at what you do and
critical of others' work if it does not meet your high
standards.




Soo.... is it anything like you??? :)

Hey,


what site did you get that profile from, strgrl? just curious what it has to say about me.

I dont really believe in it, I dont really not believe in it, but I cant disproove something until I find proof that it doesn't exist. Stranger things have existed. Take edgar cayce for example. I dont believe everything he says......but you cant deny that he has done some pretty amazing things.

This is the one I got it from, its free and you have the option of buying a more detailed version. Im sure theres other places on the web to get em.


Astrology Chart (http://my2.chartshop.com/scripts/runisa.dll?AO.1573242:FREEPROF2:1621437492.618 )


Have fun!

There may be something to astrology, but hardly in the sense that we get from newspapers or Starscrolls at the supermarket counter.

The best way to explain it is with a sidebar.

When I was ... about 10, I think, they had a graphology booth at the Puyallup Fair. You merely signed your name and they put it into a "computer" and then gave you a printed card.

It was real neat. And, for a minute, I thought it was dead-accurate. And then my brother and I looked at each other, handed over the cards, and guess what? His profile nailed me to a T in the same way mine did.

And that's largely how I feel about pop-culture astrology. I do not think much of the most accessible occultisms.

There may be something, though, to the deeper discipline of astrology. A local bookshop blows my mind with monographs and so forth on astrology that go way over my head. But, like tarot readers, I've found the best astrologers are generally the ones who know me, and beyond that the ones who get to see me face-to-face. (I can read a mean tarot deck if you're one of my friends--absolutely on-target. But if you're a stranger ... I get just as vague as your newspaper horoscope.)

Where astrology may go deeper might somehow link into astronomy. In the past (long past ... Exosci era past) I've mentioned various occult notions like vibrations and so forth that serve as quasi-practical explanations for magick. Such influential vibrations, radiations, or auras, as we well know, have not been documented, and remain as speculative as turning water into wine. But with gravity able to affect quantum encryption systems in the US Department of Defense and humans able to detect it, who knows? Perhaps some day we will have such finely-attuned equipment as to detect specific radiative patterns and document them in relation to human will and specific "magickal" disciplines. At that point, however, they would step out of the supernatural and into the natural, out of the metaphysical and into the physical, and out of the paranormal and into the normal. I'm not holding my breath.

I even routinely blow Zener tests (http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk/~paul/zener.html), so don't expect me to pioneer the field of vibratory emanations in magick.

But what are the quantum (or even smaller) effects of gravitational and energetic interplay in the Universe? Imagine a supernova, however far away you like. How does that event affect us? After all, it does constitute a fluctuation in gravity, and all things in the Universe are connected by gravity. We can see the light; do those changes in radiative frequency and amplitude have any effect whatsoever? Considering chaos theory, we need not be able to measure that basic effect in order to speculate that yes, it will play out and manifest itself in a larger symptom. Of course, speculation won't work when it comes down to figuring out how we go from A to B to C in that process. I'm not claiming its legitimacy, but neither can anyone tell me that the oldest events in the Universe do not affect me on Earth today.

In the meantime, and perhaps it is a testament to the nature of astrology, I submit my all-time favorite horoscope, Brezsny's Free-Will Astrology (http://www.freewillastrology.com), which comes out every Thursday ... well, in our town it does.

On edit: Brezsny, I suspect, employs a more reliable method of pop-astrology. Namely, a bottle of liquor. For instance, my current Gemini horoscope--

•*If you're the kind of person who is delighted when the weather changes suddenly, you will love the coming days. If you are skilled at catching your balance in the midst of a stumble, you will thrive. If you know how to inject rich, mysterious truths into soulless dead ends, the whole world will rise up and celebrate you. And if you try to act like anyone other than your original self, you will misplace your TV remote and have to buy a new one.

thanx much,
Tiassa :cool:

From what i Concluded many years back from Astro predictions using planets was a study based on Electromagnetics.
You can assume this to be very accurate if you look at the olden times,where the intereference due to other Mobile and other communication signals were less.Okay(i have assumed the whole Astro stuff to be true,although i am not sure.)so here it goes:
every planet and star has an electro-magnetic field associated with it.so each thing balances the total field of this world.when a child is born he affects this world by adding some electro-magnetic field to it.now,The planets and other stars position determine how Electromagnetic fields of their own will affect childs brain development.(i have demonstrated that application of electro fields on brain affects greatly the brain's response,memory systems,in intelligence and machines forums.)okay so in short the fields affect brain and thus affect a person's life andhis futurisitic plans.

The core astro might have been a science.but today it is nothing more than statistics.

thanks for time guys.


bye!

strGrl,

Many many thanks for taking the time to build a horoscope for me. I hadn't expected anyone to go to the extent of publication as well.

And yes the analysis is significantly accurate.

I have to admit that my interest in astrology goes back some 30 years and I have seen a number of variations on my horoscope created by others as well as myself, although the overall story is pretty much the same. I’ve also created horoscopes for others, especially those I know well.

Some conclusions –

1. The generalizations in newspapers and magazines are really just trash.

2. Anything other than a specific horoscope based on time and place of birth is a waste of time.

3. Trying to refine a horoscope by considering the outer planets for example is statistically worse than guesswork – i.e. nonsense.

4. There does appear to be considerable correlation between birth time and general personality.

5. Scientific studies on astrological predictions that try to match compatible personalities for dating purposes show no worthwhile value in astrology.

6. Attempting to use astrology for anything other than generalizations is a waste of time.

7. The practical value of astrology is currently highly dubious.

Some other observations –

1. Astrology has nothing to do with stars. The discipline is concerned purely with the planets of which for these purposes the sun is considered a planet.

2. Gravity cannot be responsible for the effects since large objects (e.g. the doctor) close to the infant at birth would have a more significant influence than say the planet mars.

3. All scientific studies (that I have seen) that attempt to show the effectiveness of astrological predictions are inconclusive.

I have no idea how astrology appears to work for some people, but I’ll keep an open mind since my chart does tend to be largely accurate and is significantly different from other signs that clearly do not represent me.

Cris

I'd be interested to see if the horoscope that purports to represent me, that strGrl has published here, can be matched to anyone else here?

Any takers?

Cris

Well, I dont match your profile, but Ill post mine...


General Personality Characteristics

Harmony and balance are your keynotes. You instinctively
understand the need to accommodate other peoples' interests and
desires, and you are always fair and willing to meet the other
person half way. Tactful, diplomatic, and with considerable
social awareness, you do all you can to avoid conflict and
discord. You express a spirit of cooperation and compromise and
often achieve through charm and discretion what would have been
impossible to achieve by a direct, forceful approach.

Getting along with others and pleasing them may be TOO
important to you, for you can be too dependent on others'
approval and opinions to make your own decisions. You will
rarely act without getting the counsel and feedback of other
people. You prefer sharing and doing things together rather than
on your own. Being alone feels very unnatural to you, and you
have a strong need for a partner and intimate one-to-one
relationships.

You invest a great deal of your energy in personal love and
you are very idealistic and romantic about marriage. You seek a
partner who is your equal intellectually, and who is capable of
a mental relationship as well as a physical and emotional one.
You make a thoughtful, considerate friend or lover, and you
enjoy the traditional symbols of love - courtship, flowers, etc.
Relationships are like an art to you, one that requires time,
attention, and creative effort. You appreciate a partner who is
subtle and polished, never coarse or dull or blunt.

Fairness and equality, both in your personal life and in the
world, are extremely important to you. If you fight about
anything, it is often about something you feel is unfair and
unbalanced. Balance is very important to you and you believe in
moderation in all things, avoiding fanaticism and extremism of
any sort.

You also have a strong need for beautiful, harmonious
surroundings and a natural sense of artistic style and grace,
which is reflected in the way you dress, furnish and arrange
your home and workspace, etc. Everything must be aesthetically
pleasing and appropriate. Either working with people as a
counselor, advisor, consultant, or negotiator - or in an
artistic field such as design or photography, would be
fulfilling to you.

Mental Interests and Abilities

You are an exacting perfectionist with a clear, logical,
analytical mind and an aptitude for work that requires
meticulous attention to detail and efficient organization.
Well-grounded and pragmatic, you tend to develop specialized
skills and technical expertise in some practical field.
Knowledge, ideas, and theories don't really interest you unless
they are useful in a tangible way. You are inclined to analyze,
measure, and dissect everything and to miss nuances, subtle
shades of feeling and meaning. Your strengths are in your
precise thinking, careful craftsmanship, and mastery of
technical skills. You tend to be very good at what you do and
critical of others' work if it does not meet your high
standards.

Well, Im extemely analytic. I love harmony and balance, and I always try to make everyone get along. I hate arguing and fighting. So, it looks pretty accurate. I did read one that said, since I love beauty - I can tend to be materialistic and love the finer things in life. Thats not at all like me, but this one is pretty right on. Hey why dont everyone post theirs!! Neato! :D

I don't believe in horoscope. It's too general...

I do believe in Astrology. It's very accurate...

Love,
Nelson

What a load of bovine fecal matter!

Anyone who knows me knows what a sensitive, caring, unassuming ....

Oh hell! Read it for yourself ...

How You Approach Life and How You Appear To Others

Ferociously proud and somewhat vain, you like to be
impressive and to be seen as Somebody Special. You are not
timid, meek, or self-effacing, and are rarely content being in
the background or in the subordinate position. You are a natural
leader, and do not take orders from others very well. You must
have something of your own, something creative - be it a
business, a project, a home or whatever - that you can develop
and manage according to your own will and vision. Whatever you
do, you do it in a unique, dramatic, individual way. You like to
put your own personal stamp on it.

You also have a very strong sense of dignity, self-respect,
and personal honor and are deeply offended if someone treats you
in a humiliating or dishonorable way. You will rarely confront
the offender - you are too proud to do so - but you will lose
your affection and respect for them. You dislike pettiness and
hate to be snubbed or ignored.

You admire others who are strong individuals like yourself.
When you befriend someone, you are tremendously loyal, sincere,
and willing to go to extraordinary lengths to make that person
happy. You are very giving and generous, but your gifts are
never anonymous - you expect recognition and appreciation for
them. You also expect the intense loyalty that you offer to your
dear ones to be reciprocated. However, you often have trouble
working with people who are as strong as yourself, for you do
not really cooperate or share the leading role very easily. If
you are not in the leading role, you aspire to be and will
compete with the person who is.

You have great heart and courage, and people often look to
you for strength, encouragement, and affirmation. You always
have your best face forward and rarely allow others to see you
hurting, disheartened, or vulnerable. You also have a very
strong need for love, admiration, appreciation, and praise,
although you don't like others to realize just how important it
is to you.

Your outlook on life tends to be very personal and rather
self-centered. Your own self-expression, self-actualization and
self-realization interests you more than anything else. You feel
that if you do your best where you are, the rest of the world
will take care of itself.

The Inner You: Your Real Motivation

You are a person who thrives on challenge, and you often
feel that you must battle your way through life, depending upon
no one and nothing but your own strength, intelligence, and
courage. You believe in being totally honest, true to oneself
and one's own vision and convictions, even if that means
standing alone. Honesty, integrity, personal honor, and
authenticity are your gods, and you have no sympathy for
weakness of character in others.

You crave the freedom to do things in your own way, and you
work very well independently. Cooperating with others or
carrying out another's will is not your style. You like to be
the chief -or to go it alone.

You love action and if others are settling down into a nice,
comfortable little rut, then you are always ready to stir things
up, do something new, make changes, bring in some fresh blood.
Routine and sameness are like death to you. You are not afraid
of trying something that's never been done before, and even
though you may be seen as a fool sometimes, you also discover,
invent, and initiate things that others will later emulate.
Taking risks and following your own star are the breath of life
for you, and you wilt (or get very frustrated and angry) if you
cannot do this.

You are spontaneous, impulsive, direct, enthusiastic, and
assertive. You believe in the power of positive thinking and
positive action, and you think of yourself as a strong person
-even invincible. You hate being ill or in any way in a position
of dependency. Accepting your own human limitations and
emotional needs is often difficult for you.

You are basically aggressive in your attitudes and have less
facility in the receptive arts of relating to others, picking up
subtle messages and nuances, listening, nurturing, and
harmonizing. Often you are so fired up about your own projects
or goals that you inadvertently run over or ignore other
people's feelings and interests. Being receptive and
appreciative of others' contributions, ideas, and feelings would
go a long way in improving your relationships. Your impatience
to get on with things causes you to be rather insensitive, and
to therefore alienate others unnecessarily. You also frequently
try to accomplish your ends by using anger or some version of a
temper tantrum. You would gain much by learning to slow down,
relax, and just let things be sometimes, but your energetic,
restless nature rarely allows you to do this.

As I said, it's a load. And you'd better believe it ... or I'll cry.

Take care ;)

*stRgrL*, your link doesn't work here. :) You sure it is right? I am to lazy to look up a link myself... :) :)

But chagur that sounds just like the person we see here at sciforums.:)

truthseeker,

I don't believe in horoscope. It's too general...

I do believe in Astrology. It's very accurate...You don’t understand the terms being used here.

A horoscope is a detailed analysis based on very specific criteria. This is the very basis of Western Astrology.

I suspect your confusion comes from seeing the term ‘horoscopes’ used in newspapers and magazines and where a whole list of generalizations are given based on the 12 signs of the zodiac. These are not horoscopes, and are just trash, as I think you have realized.

Your error is understandable and one that serious astrologers continually complain about.

But what do you mean by astrology being very accurate? It isn’t by any criteria accurate for any practical utilization.

Cris

Sorry, I fixed it! I had inserted it wrong...


Have fun!

Cris,

I suspect your confusion comes from seeing the term ‘horoscopes’ used in newspapers and magazines and where a whole list of generalizations are given based on the 12 signs of the zodiac. These are not horoscopes, and are just trash, as I think you have realized.

You certainly proved my statements right... :)

I call horoscopes (and they self-call...) those general things in the newspaper... Look in the newspapers.. it's written: "HORORSCOPES"... ;)

I'll explain to you...

The horoscopes (newspaper) are based only in the position of the sun. Too general...

The astrology itself is very accurate because it calculates the exact position of the celestial corpses and the exact relationship between them. ;)

Love,
Nelson

Oh no! You've gone over to the other side!

You've joined Banshee, Bebelina and the rest of that crew!

"But chagur that sounds just like the person we see here at sciforums."

Do they 'see' me too?

Oh god! I'd better start dressing when I go online!

Thank U, thank U, thank U.

Take care ;)

strGrl,

I've placed your link in the opening post as well.

Cris

You are thee grooviest:D

Clarentavious,

If they want to say people who are generally born on certain dates behave in certain ways, fine. But I would never jump to a conclusion or make an assumption without knowing, of who someone is because they were born on a certain date.

Astrology looks to a series of planets and relationship between them to draw the conclusions about people. That's why there are people that are different. For example, I'm Aries, but I'm shy... Aries is not usually shy. Why I'm shy? Because my ascendent is Aquarius, and I have Saturn in Scorpio, what makes me pretty serious... ;)

My Ascendent and Scorpio have just made me less Arian... :D


Cris,

Perhaps eletro-magnetism can work... isn't it the most powerful force? ;)
I believe there is another dimensions where this can work... a fith dimension... and perhaps more dimensions, beyond time.

I don't know... I'm trying to discover...

Anyways... There is a Truth in all this... ;)

To discover it we can...
Think----->Draw conclusion

State: Astrology works (you yourself obeserved it...)------> model an Universe, based on the information we already have, where Astrology can work (I usually use this one...)

Love,
Nelson

truthseeker,

The astrology itself is very accurate because it calculates the exact position of the celestial corpses and the exact relationship between them.Yes that's correct and that activity is known as preparing a horoscope.

A horoscope is essentially a diagram that shows all the planets (including the sun) at the time of birth.

The position of the sun is the most dominant and the other planets are meant to indicate other aspects of your personality. Additionally the relationships and angles between the planets and sun allegedly indicate other characteristics.

You don’t need to be confrontational on this, I was only pointing out a common misconception. The horoscope is the basic tool of the astrologer. When you talk about the details of astrology you are talking about horoscopes.

The important thing is to differentiate this discipline from the trash in newspapers. And on this I think we are in agreement.

Cris

As I said, it's a load. And you'd better believe it ... or I'll cry.

No need for tears, Chagur. For while it is possible that you and I might share the same birthdate, it is not possible that we were born in the same year. Highly unlikely that we were born in the same location. And probably not too likely we were born in the same hour either... YET... this site appears to have generated the same profile for me as it has for you. Unless I've read them too quickly, they are exactly the same.

(Hmmm... I could post mine to show you, but who is to say that I didn't just copy-n-paste yours? Could give someone personal info I'd rather not have published or shared online, but I'd really rather not.)

Oh well. Some will believe me some won't. No biggie.

--Oh, and while the profile does hit some of my personality traits square on the head, (some flattering, some not) it misses others by miles.

~~~

*ahem*

To the astrology gods: I SAID I HAD COME TO KNOW A FEW DRAGONS IN MY TIME-----I DID NOT SAY I WAS A DRAGON. (gee whiz...)

;)

CB

(There ARE differences between dragons and talented balrogs, ya know! :D)

:) Well, that's a nice link. :) If I type in my birth place, it cannot be found. It's in the Netherlands yes, so no state. Even if I fill in Amsterdam, it cannot be found. :)

A pity. I go look for another link. Good luck you all. Talk to you later... :)

chagur,

Oh no! You've gone over to the other side!

You've joined Banshee, Bebelina and the rest of that crew!Oh gosh I hope not.

But after studying astrology in depth, and finding that I can safely dismiss most of it, I have to conclude that there are aspects that go far beyond coincidence and chance. But it isn’t a science despite what many of its proponents want to claim. It is much closer to an art form and is highly subjective.

I’ll accept your criticism gladly if you’ve also done the in-depth investigation necessary to reach an informed opinion. Have you?

However, whatever that factor is that makes some aspects of astrology consistent and verifiable are extremely illusive. I certainly don’t see this as something that is either supernatural or anything to do with the occult, but more of an observation that poses an intellectual and scientific challenge. IOW words I suspect there are interactions that we don’t fully understand. How these can affect the development of the human brain is of course the real mystery.

For the moment I have observed that some aspects of astrology can describe significant parts of my personality quite accurately. I need to understand why and I’m not prepared to accept conjecture so I am searching for the evidence.

Cris

Counterbalance,

Yup we would need a far more sophisticated astrology program to bring out the real differences. And these usually cost a bit.

We can't expect much from a free website.

Oh well.

But I can't believe you are the same as Chagur.

Cris

Banshee,

I hope you find another site.

Cris

Strgrl & Cris,

Was it my imagination? I thought the "Mental abilities" section in both your h-scopes were exactly the same?

Cris, as for your request to see if others find a match in your profile - I found the first para to be a close match. There was no match in the rest.

I remain unconvinced about birth date/time determining personality traits, in respect to astrology. The statements made re: personality can apply to most ppl, at most times.

However, if astrology can talk about specific events in one's lifetime, then there might be something in it... For instance, can the astro site tell us at what age significant events took place in your life?

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As for any possible influences that might affect personality - should one not consider astrology itself?

Perhaps ppl read that X starsign has such and such personality traits, and after reading it often, one starts to develop the trait to match the prediction.

When ppl first start to learn about astrology, they are often in a sugestible stage of their lives, "looking for an identity", so to speak. Perhaps astrology gives them that "something" to aspire to...??

Heeeyyyy! They are the same! I want my money back!:D

GOD,

Yes you are right. The program has a set of predefined texts that equate to particular combinations in a given horoscope.

The more sophisticated programs will have more extensive libraries.

The concept far extends the primitive idea that everyone can be classified by the 12 signs, and here it likely to be hundreds of combinations. The better programs will reach into many thousands.

This is OK to a large extent since we know we can categorize the traits of some people in similar ways. Shyness for example is shared between many people, so you should expect a similar textual paragraph for those horoscopes for those people.

Cris

You've joined Banshee, Bebelina and the rest of that crew!

Actually, I think Bebelina has a much better head on her shoulders than the rest. She may babble the pseudo-babble now and again, but she does not purport herself the same way as Banshee or Truthseeker.

It was an entire paragraph. Had it been 1-2 similar sentences, it would have been understandable.

I dismiss astrology because it does not make any attempt at predicting events in one's life. But, (if I could expand the topic here slightly) - What about "face-reading", or palmistry, etc?

They purport to make exact predictions about the timing and details of significant events. I have not expereinced any of it firsthand, but others have told me about uncannily accurate readings of one's past thru palmistry.

Has anyone had any expereince of these?

Cris,

What you call horoscope, my Mom and I call it Astrological Map... ;)
And our Astrologer too... :D

They are just names...
But they have the same meaning. ;)

Love,
Nelson

TS,

The term Birth Chart works as well.

Be cool.
Cris

I follow the Onion's horoscope's religiously!

For instance, your horoscope reads:

Virgo:
You will achieve modest fame as a lion tamer, but audiences won't like you nearly as much as the man who has absolutely no control over the lions.

And mine reads:

Scorpio: (Oct. 24—Nov. 21)
The only thing worse than a trick yo-yo man is a trick yo-yo man who applauds after each one of his yo-yo tricks.

I am, like, inspired!

http://www.theonion.com/onion3813/horoscopes_3813.html

Libra: (Sept. 23—Oct. 23)
No one would go to Salina, KS, without stopping for a world-famous Cozee Burger—except you.


Very true!!! Dont eat burgers:D

(Q)

Actually, I think Bebelina has a much better head on her shoulders than the rest. She may babble the pseudo-babble now and again, but she does not purport herself the same way as Banshee or Truthseeker.

Heyyy!! Don't insult Banshee. From the time I have been on these forums (which I must admit however, hasn't been that long, but enough to suffice for this), and spoken to Bashee, I have not seem anything wrong with her.

(There ARE differences between dragons and talented balrogs,
ya know! )

That there be. Although I must say, the talented ones taste a
bit better, if memory serves me right, than the run-of-the-mill
ones. Not quite as 'gamey'.

I'll check on my next trip to Middle-earth.

Take care :D

For the record - I enjoy both Bebelina's and Banshee's posts.

I rarely agree with anything they say of course, but they say things so nicely that they make me feel guilty when I disagree with them.

Sigh!

GOD,

It was an entire paragraph. Had it been 1-2 similar sentences, it would have been understandable. You’ll see better resolution with the more advanced programs. But there is a limit to what Astrology can do even with the best programs. You’ll still be stuck with generalities.

I dismiss astrology because it does not make any attempt at predicting events in one's life.OK, rejecting something like this is no big deal but your reasoning is very dubious.

Astrology is not about trying to predict events. What it tries to do is predict how ones personality might be affected by planetary positions. I’ll take the example of shyness again - There may be a point in the future where the planets are in a position that would be beneficial for a shy person to be more assertive. But this affect won’t be realized unless the shy person attempts to be assertive at the appropriate time.

It is these procedures of ‘progressing the chart’ that I found extremely subjective and the least accurate. Hmmm, accurate is not the correct term – just plain wrong, and for what I saw was 90% of the time. And at that success rate just guessing would be more accurate. But for those who believe that these mechanisms are true there tends to be a strong temptation to stretch the point to make the predictions appear to work, and they succeed because the predictions are so general.

Hope that helps
Cris

Originally posted by Cris
Astrology is not about trying to predict events. What it tries to do is predict how ones personality might be affected by planetary positions. The point I was trying to make is that predicting events is "stronger" than predicting personality traits.

There was this study done on college students where they were asked to fill out a questionaire, and then based upon their replies, a "personality assessment" was prepared. Alomst all said that the assessment was very accurate and describes them well. The catch was that every student was given the exact same assessment!

Astrology seems to be playing on the same theme.

It's possible that birth times have an effect on personality, but IMO the greater effect is contributed by astrology sections in newspapaers and "Linda Goodman". Ppl read about what traits their sign ought to have, and then try find ways to live up to that description.

People see what they want to see. always have, always will.

check out the second part of this analysis, it's probably the same as yours(haven't seen your first part), yes I'm a Libran too but I doubt that we were born in the same place at the same time (Sep241952,Cyprus)!

You are very strong-willed and proud, but intensely private
and not easy to know well. Behind your quiet exterior lies a
great deal of emotional depth, sensitivity, complexity, and also
fierce determination. When you want something you go after it
rather quietly but insistently and wholeheartedly - and you
usually get it.:cool:

You are not a person who lives lightly or superficially.
You want to live passionately and intensely and are not averse
to challenge, danger, or to facing the darker side of life -
human pain and struggle. You function well in crisis situations
and often seek them out, for you enjoy the feeling of living at
full capacity.:cool:

You are very intuitive about other people and especially
about their unspoken feelings and hidden motives. You usually
have strong, immediate gut reactions, either positive or
negative, which prove to be correct. You approach life very
instinctively and are not always fully conscious of why you feel
or act as you do. :cool: :cool: You also have a very strong affinity with animals - an acute sensitivity and a nonverbal kind of rapport
with them.

In relation to others, you are rather cautious, sometimes
even suspicious, until you get to know and trust them - and
trust doesn't come easily to you. When you commit yourself
emotionally to someone, be it friend or lover, you are intensely
loyal and devoted to them and you also expect the same kind of
unwavering, undying loyalty in return. If you are ever betrayed
by someone you care deeply for, you are capable of hating and
retaliating with as much fervor as you once loved. Nothing is
done halfway. In fact, you are intensely involved and often
jealously attached to whatever you care about, be it person,
idea, or cause. There is definitely a streak of emotional
fanaticism in you.:cool:

Because of your natural reserve, others may see you as
something of an enigma. You are quite self-protective and often
defensive. You are also very magnetic, especially to members of
the opposite sex.:D

Harmony and balance are your keynotes. You instinctively
understand the need to accommodate other peoples' interests and desires, and you are always fair and willing to meet the other
person half way. Tactful, diplomatic, and with considerable
social awareness, you do all you can to avoid conflict and
discord. You express a spirit of cooperation and compromise and
often achieve through charm and discretion what would have been impossible to achieve by a direct, forceful approach.

Getting along with others and pleasing them may be TOO
important to you, for you can be too dependent on others'
approval and opinions to make your own decisions. You will
rarely act without getting the counsel and feedback of other
people. You prefer sharing and doing things together rather than
on your own. Being alone feels very unnatural to you, and you
have a strong need for a partner and intimate one-to-one
relationships.

You invest a great deal of your energy in personal love and
you are very idealistic and romantic about marriage. You seek a
partner who is your equal intellectually, and who is capable of
a mental relationship as well as a physical and emotional one.
You make a thoughtful, considerate friend or lover, and you
enjoy the traditional symbols of love - courtship, flowers, etc.
Relationships are like an art to you, one that requires time,
attention, and creative effort. You appreciate a partner who is
subtle and polished, never coarse or dull or blunt.

Fairness and equality, both in your personal life and in the
world, are extremely important to you. If you fight about
anything, it is often about something you feel is unfair and
unbalanced. Balance is very important to you and you believe in
moderation in all things, avoiding fanaticism and extremism of
any sort.

You also have a strong need for beautiful, harmonious
surroundings and a natural sense of artistic style and grace,
which is reflected in the way you dress, furnish and arrange
your home and workspace, etc. Everything must be aesthetically
pleasing and appropriate. Either working with people as a
counselor, advisor, consultant, or negotiator - or in an
artistic field such as design or photography, would be
fulfilling to you.

As a general personality profile (or as an idealistic potential of it) for me, I guess this is pretty close to the bone and pretty impressive considering it was computed by a machine using an ancient system of codes or whatever. I'm not so convinced of its 'personal' inference and it would be interesting to compare the first part of your analysis to see if they match as I suspect that most, if not all, the analysies for each sign are actually the same, regardless of time, date or place of birth.

OK hees my take on astrology....

When I was younger i used to follow it with a fair amount of enthusiasm. I admit, it was in fact Linda Goodman who seemed to make the most sense, and I used her take on the situation as a benchmark.

Time goes on... and now I wonder, even if it DOES indeed have some validity (which, to be honest, I'd LIKE to believe cause i always found it so ... ya know... interestingly accurate), does it actually have a purpose or any practical use?

OK, heres the situation. Astrology uses the Sun, Moon, Ascendant and Descendant, and then 12 planets to plot any given personality.
This gives a total of 14 to the power of 14 possible personality combinations right? ie... that means there are about 11,112,006,825,558,016 possible personality permutations.
Not only that, but of course your upbringing and environment is also going to have a serious effect on things, not to mention your life experiences... so even if, by some incredible chance, two persons were born on the same day, at the same instant, in the same town, their lives will still be different due to outside influences.(say if one was born rich and one poor).

So I cant see what practical use it really has.

All that aside though... damn astrology is fun aint it :)

Oh yeah... one more point.
If you know how computers, storage space, and the web really works... then dont trust an astrology website to give you an accurate personality chart. It aint gonna happen... there are too many people in the world to have all the possible personality combinations in storage. Not only that, youre trusting someone to make an estimate of your personality who cant even see your face, know where you live, and profile you based on a few bits of entered data..

Eventually there will be two people who type in some info and come up with the same profile, because the computer space cant handle too many interpretations. Who the hell is gonna type them all in? One thousand monkeys with one thousand typewriters?

The NET is a fine place for factual information.... but if youre looking for an assessment not based on facts, seek elsewhere.

It's completely right for me, I never have doubted astrology, but this is better than I expected. Don't have a credit card for those 14$:(:mad:


How You Approach Life and How You Appear To Others

Ferociously proud and somewhat vain, you like to be
impressive and to be seen as Somebody Special. You are not
timid, meek, or self-effacing, and are rarely content being in
the background or in the subordinate position. You are a natural
leader, and do not take orders from others very well. You must
have something of your own, something creative - be it a
business, a project, a home or whatever - that you can develop
and manage according to your own will and vision. Whatever you
do, you do it in a unique, dramatic, individual way. You like to
put your own personal stamp on it.

You also have a very strong sense of dignity, self-respect,
and personal honor and are deeply offended if someone treats you
in a humiliating or dishonorable way. You will rarely confront
the offender - you are too proud to do so - but you will lose
your affection and respect for them. You dislike pettiness and
hate to be snubbed or ignored.

You admire others who are strong individuals like yourself.
When you befriend someone, you are tremendously loyal, sincere,
and willing to go to extraordinary lengths to make that person
happy. You are very giving and generous, but your gifts are
never anonymous - you expect recognition and appreciation for
them. You also expect the intense loyalty that you offer to your
dear ones to be reciprocated. However, you often have trouble
working with people who are as strong as yourself, for you do
not really cooperate or share the leading role very easily. If
you are not in the leading role, you aspire to be and will
compete with the person who is.

You have great heart and courage, and people often look to
you for strength, encouragement, and affirmation. You always
have your best face forward and rarely allow others to see you
hurting, disheartened, or vulnerable. You also have a very
strong need for love, admiration, appreciation, and praise,
although you don't like others to realize just how important it
is to you.

Your outlook on life tends to be very personal and rather
self-centered. Your own self-expression, self-actualization and
self-realization interests you more than anything else. You feel
that if you do your best where you are, the rest of the world
will take care of itself.
Serious, disciplined, and quietly ambitious, you are driven
to prove yourself and to achieve material accomplishments and
success. Your work, your position in the world, and your
contributions to society are very important to you. You will
persevere through enormous hardship and frustration in order to
reach a goal you have set for yourself, and you often sacrifice
much in the area of personal relationships and home life in
order to do so.

You have a thoughtful, quiet, and self-contained disposition
and do not readily show your inner feelings and needs. You seem
to be always in control, capable, efficient, and strong. You are
often the person in the family or group who is given more
responsibility (and more work) than the others. You are highly
conscientious and even as a child you possessed a maturity,
soberness, and worldly wisdom that was most unchildlike.

You are basically a pragmatic realist, and though you may
have all sorts of dreams, ideals and colorful theories, you feel
that the ultimate test of a concept is its practical usefulness.
You have an innate shrewdness and business sense, and there is a
bit of the cynic in you as well.

You are clear-headed, detached and objective, and are not
swayed by emotional dramatics. Often you are authoritarian
-strictly fair, but without mercy. You have a great respect for
tradition (not great, but I have my respect for it) and even if you do not agree with certain laws, you
will abide by them or work to change them, but never flagrantly
disregard them. Careful and conservative, you play by the rules.

You are subtle, understated, quiet, deep, not easy to know
intimately, and never superficial. You are a modest person and
sometimes overly self-critical. Giving yourself (and others)
permission to feel, to play, to be spontaneous and silly, and to
be weak and vulnerable sometimes, isn't easy for you.

Your strong points are your depth and thoroughness,
patience, tenacity, and faithfulness. Your faults are a tendency
to be rigid and inflexible, and too serious.
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You are a natural diplomat, reasonable, tolerant, fair,
always willing to listen to varying viewpoints, and ready to see
the other side of an issue. Even if you strongly disagree with
someone, you will try to find points of similarity and agreement
rather than emphasizing the differences. You often avoid taking
an extreme or one-sided stance on anything. You have a strong
desire for harmonious and pleasant relationships, and express a
spirit of cooperation, compromise, friendship, and fairness. You
very much want to be liked and because of your need for approval
and acceptance, you are easily influenced by others' opinions,
especially when young. You so much want to please that often you
will suppress your own intense or unpleasant feelings in order
not to offend others. Sometimes your politeness is interpreted
as phoniness or wishy-washiness.

Your need to create harmony extends to your physical
environment and personal appearance as well. You appreciate
beauty and have a natural sense of balance, symmetry, and
proportion. You do everything in good taste, with a sense of
style and art. From your home furnishings to your choice of
clothing, everything must be aesthetically appealing, not simply
functional or utilitarian.

You also feel that relationships are an art, one that
especially interests you and one that you are usually quite
skilled at, for you possess tact and acute awareness of other
people. Marriage is very significant to you and finding the
right person to share your life with is extremely important.
Being part of a close couple seems natural to you - you are not
an independent loner. Having a partner increases your
self-confidence. You do have a tendency, however, to become
overly dependent on your partner and perhaps not to develop a
clearly defined identity outside of the relationship. Finding
the balance between being yourself and blending and uniting with
another is a challenge for you.

Others see you as an agreeable, smooth, harmonious, and
"nice" person. Though there may be much more to you, this is the
sort of face you show to the world. You possess personal charm
and an understated, noncombative manner. Your motto could be
"you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" for you
usually take a friendly, cooperative approach rather than a
strong, forceful, I'm-going-to-conquer-the-world attitude.

(There ARE differences between dragons and talented balrogs,
ya know! )

That there be. Although I must say, the talented ones taste a
bit better, if memory serves me right, than the run-of-the-mill
ones. Not quite as 'gamey'.

I'll check on my next trip to Middle-earth.

Take care :D

(LOL!)

Yeah? Well, the thing is, Chagur... TRULY “talented balrogs” can both run and fly faster than dragons. (It’s a mind-over-matter sort of thing. Just one of the many talents we possess. ;) ) Not to mention we‘re rather adept at shape-shifting as well. That “gamey” taste you noted? Bah! That ‘tweren’t gaminess, my fiery friend! That was gangrene! (bleeeecch!) :D

I suspect you’ve mistaken charred orc roadkill for balrog. Plus, as dragons age, their notoriously good eyesight can start to play tricks on ‘em. They sometimes tend to see what they want to see, ya know? Sigh. Happens to the best of ’em. But don’t fret. When the moment of doom comes, dragons seldom care what they scorch and consume anyway, so it’s hardly something to be concerned about. ;)

All the same, DO drop a line next time you’re headed to Middle Earth. Been faarrrrrrr too long since we’ve had a decent bit of dragon for dinner. Been saving a special bottle of wine just for the occasion. :D

Now, y’all take care--hear? ;)

"I’ll accept your criticism gladly if you’ve also done the in-depth
investigation necessary to reach an informed opinion. Have you?"

Nix. Just had a mother who started out with Tarot cards, then got into
astrology heavy like: Started to write a book on it, never finished it.

Being the critical, 'doubting Thomas' that I am (even at a young age)
I questioned the accuracy of any 'prediction' based on birth date,
time, location, or whatever, since the individual had to have been acted
upon by whatever forces since conception. Further, considering the
wide variation in lengths of pregnancy, even two individuals born at
the same moment, in the same place, could not have been acted upon
by exactly the same forces for the same period of time.

Mum never did come up with what I considered to be a reasonable
answer ... So I wrote it off a pleasant game that seldom caused harm.

Care to have a go at it?

Take care ;)

One thing I've noticed is that the more talented ones are also more
curious than the 'run-of-the-mill' ones.

This observation proved useful when age slowed down this dragon ...
and craftiness came to the fore.

Lay flopped down as though dead for a while, and this is the important
part, leaving one's tongue hanging out. The r-o-t-m ones continue to
avoid even a 'dead' dragon, but the curious, talented ones, who evidently
have a taste for dragon's tongue,will eventually land and approach.

Belch!!!! Burp!!!! Nothing like freshly seared balrog. :D

Take care (and avoid 'dead' dragons with their tongues lolling out) ;)

I would say that the site you have found never thought that the ones who sought a reading of their personalities would ever compare notes. It is obvious that its data base is rather skimpy. Like many others have mentioned here I once was interested in astrology and tarot. Afterall if so many people are interested then maybe there was something to it. I have long ago thrown away the astronomical charts for planetary positions, ect.

I did come to some conclusions about both of them though.

A lot of people took a lot of time to document nuances of human behavor, characteristics, and their interactions. It has enough truth in the above items to fool people into thinking this is it. I have found a way to get hints on the future. Actually what they have found is that all peoples face common trials, tribulations, joys, and gains/losses. Doesn't matter the government, continent, or social status so much. Human interaction provides enough common basis that observation over a long period will give some simular grounds for the interactions. That people can be catagorized into groups that feel, react, and think in simular forms.

One thing I did find of interest is that the tarot is reputed to be an early message cyphering device. One that could be given to a messenger with little fear of the message being intercepted and read.

Wet1, you placed yourself between a rock and a hard place...http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pascal/images/smilies/duim.gif

It's comparing lemons with oranges. http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pascal/images/smilies/cwm27.gif http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pascal/images/smilies/cwm27.gif

It's comparing lemons with oranges.

Please tell me how?

chagur,

considering the
wide variation in lengths of pregnancy, even two individuals born at
the same moment, in the same place, could not have been acted upon
by exactly the same forces for the same period of time.

Mum never did come up with what I considered to be a reasonable
answer ... So I wrote it off a pleasant game that seldom caused harm.

Care to have a go at it?No argument from me. Astrology should be gibberish, especially when considering that centuries ago no one properly understood the pregnancy process or the point of conception and where the actual birth was considered a magical defining moment. And of course not all the planets were known in those days either.

So perhaps I am deluded in thinking that my horoscope actually refers to me. And since it doesn’t provide any reliable predictive qualities it is effectively worthless.

Cris

this is from here: http://www.randi.org/jr/041202.html

A friend came across a horoscope program — I think she downloaded it off the net. The idea was that you typed in your date of birth and it would generate a profile of your personality, along with predictions for the forthcoming week or two concerning health, wealth and love. She ran off printouts for all her friends and family, myself included.
The reaction of most people was lamentably predictable; they marvelled at the uncanny accuracy of the profiles, "Oh that's me to a T" etc. etc., as well as the predictions. In vain I tried to point to the generic nature of the texts, the fact that people are simply not as unique as they like to think, and the vague wishy-washy style of the predictions. I was overruled. The consensus was that there had to be something in this astrology lark, and what did I know, I'm only an astronomy graduate.

They had their comeuppance a couple of days ago, when my friend realised that the software in question was American in origin, and so used a reversed date format to that which we Brits use — the day and month are the other way round. In other words, the profiles and predictions she had been giving out, which everyone found so apt and accurate, were not for their birthdays at all! Someone born on the 11th of February would get a Horoscope for someone born on the 2nd of November, and so on! The fact that the astrobabble was based on a completely different birthdate had made no difference at all to its perceived "insights"!






;)

Varkas,

Nice one.

Cris

Astrology is a poor attempt to create the result set from Chaos theory. The Indian (India) astrology is much more complex than most computer programs. Here is how the result set is calculated.

The birth time has certain variables. This is the initial condition . Let us call it F(x). F(x) is a composition of several other functions and properties.
F(x) defines certain general properties of the person by itself.

So, the property outcome = F(x)

Next comes the environment property which is subjective based on the astrologers experience. It is like a radiologist making a statement based on the X-ray picture. Let us call that F(x1). The knowledgebase in this function is fairly extensive. The initial condition and the environment function define a better resultset of the property.

Now comes the prediction part.

The time line is broken into different cycle of influence of the variables that are used in the initial condition. These are sine waves of differing frequency. The peak influence of a positive nature is measured against the waning negetive influence. That provides a probablistic outcome. For example if in certain time window, you are supposed to gain money, it is measured against any negative influence such as health problems with you or your family and hence the net result whether positive or negative and how much.

Depending on how extensive the prediction part is calculated, let us consider those items each as functions. That is in the matters of Love - it could be the function of love etc. So the calculations are:

Outcome in Love = Integration of [ F(x) + F(x1) + F(love) + F(x2) + F(x,x1,love,x2)]

Where F(x2) = Influences around you that is the function of your girlfriend etc. Sometimes with lack of a astrology chart of your girl friend, a name and other parameters are used to crudely define F(x2).

This is a short version of how Astrology is supposed to work. And it looks so similar to Chaos theory that ... ...

http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/images/chaosfig1.gif

kmguru,

Astrology is a poor attempt to create the result set from Chaos theory. The Indian (India) astrology is much more complex than most computer programs. Here is how the result set is calculated.

Western Astrology is not bad... of course the vedic one is much more accurate and even talks about karma and past lifes...

Love,
Nelson

I take it then that the both of you, kmguru and TruthSeeker, agree
that Astrology, regardless of the form it takes, is 'total gibberish'.

Take care ;)

Same line as long term weather prediction, ...some hits and lots of misses... but a lot of people make a lot of money at it....

Yup that seems fair.

My scopes tend to hit me for some of it, and other parts are way off.

The problem with astrology is, that nobody really knows what it is! I understand why so many people turn around when they hear the word ASTROLOGY, because so many stupid people destroying the truth of real astrology.

There are some different astrology methods and the most known is the western method. The western method is "stolen" from the old original Vedic astrology (3000 B.C.) and changed to a very weird system. The zodiac (starsigns position) they use is called TROPICAL and it´s not matching the real MOVING zodiac called SIDEREAL.

If you read your horoscope calculated on the TROPICAL zodiac, you read the wrong message. All the positions for the planets and the houses are wrong and before you can be shure for the real positions, you have to subtract about 24 degrees!

EXAMPLE:

Sun position: 28 degrees in Scorpio (tropical)
Sun position: 4 degrees in Scorpio (sidereal)

The astrology is a very old "science" and if you need to know something about the truth astrology, search for VEDIC ASTROLOGY

Further more you can research this link:
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/E/ends/inca1.html

I think it´s the first time in my life I have heard a SCIENTIST telling, that astrology really can be useful...

I had my personal horoscope done many many years ago,and it described my life pretty acurately,so far.
now how would the astrologer know what will hapen in my future?

Cold reading:
http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html

There was a rather illuminating study in which a horoscope was drawn up for a French killer and given to various college students. The students could, without fail, see themselves in the horoscope.

http://www.skepdic.com/forer.html

I have studyed vedic astrology since 1989 and my theory about how an astrologer can "see" your future life is still some kind of a mystery for me. On the other hand I am shure that you really can "see" what´s going on in the future if you "follow" the planets movements.

The sunsystem represents a huge magnetic field in what we are created as human beings. We are "build" in or on that field with the sun as center.

That magnetic field changing it´s structure every second and every time a planet makes a move. The planets have of course a significant influence on the magnetic field.

The sun has power enough to hold several planets (don´t think about how many tons - it´s waste of time) and that is in it selfes an awe-inspiring force we maybe never can imagine 100% as long we only are human beings.

This magnetic field represent some of our DESTINY OPERATING SYSTEM and when it change our lifes change...

You still have your free will but you didn´t choose the place you were born and you didn´t choose the input´s that are comming from your surroundings...

For some events you just don´t have the control!

-Hope it could help!


Sincerely

Nostradamus (not the real one)

hmm
predestination (as assumed by astrology) might forestall any possibility of free will. since we are creatures powered by electrical impulses, perhaps it should make sense that cosmic radiation/electromagnetic fields/gravity should impact us (subtly or overtly)

I don't know. I think the "this is going to happen to you" stuff is bogus but the descriptions of each starsign I have found to be remarkably accurate.
For example, all the sagitarians I know are described fairly well by the general description of sagitarians, the same with everyone I know.
I'm a gemini and when I read about gemini's in my mothers astrology books(she's a nut:p) they seem to have my number.
I don't know anything about astrology though so I couldn't even try to explain how that works.

(1) Planets effect the solar cycle in specific ways.
(2) The solar cycle effects the geomagnetic field.
(3) The geomagnetic field affects life on Earth in certain observed ways.
(4) Specifically, many species, including man, can be influenced by particular states of the geomagnetic field.
(5) The particular influences appear to correlate with the planetary positions.
(6) I propose that the behavior of the fetus at the time of birth is linked to the cycles within the geomagnetic field, which in turn are influenced by the solar cycle and positions of the planets. Resonance is the phenomenon by which the fetus is phase locked to specific cycles. (Percy Seymour) (http://www.mountainman.com.au/astrology_01.htm)

There is a growing body of evidence that changes in geomagnetic field affect biological systems. In particular, homing pigeons and other migratory creatures who use the earth magnetic field as their guidance. Other studies indicate that physically stressed human biological systems may respond to the minute but measurable fluctuations of the geomagnetic field.

Geomagnetic disturbances (http://www.tgo.uit.no/saba/sabathesis/Intro.html)

It might be possible for artificial magnetic fields to directly influence neural transmissions. Even a static 65 millitesla field has been shown to reduce frog skin Na+ transport by 10-30%.500 Each neuronal discharge develops an electrical energy of ~20 picojoule (~1010 kT), far smaller than the magnetic energy stored in a B = 1.4 tesla field of a permanent micromagnet traversing an L3 = (20 micron)3 volume which from Eqn. 6.9 is B2 L3 / 2 m0 ~ 6000 pJ. If properly manipulated, such a field may be sufficient to enhance, modulate, or extinguish a passing neural signal. micromagnets (http://www.skypiece.ru/ru/Interesting_Publications/nanomedicine/4.8.html)

Solar Magnetism Integrates Astronomy And Astrology (http://www.webspace4me.net/~blhill/pages.aux/astrology/solar.mag.html)

So, How does it relate to Astrology (http://www.geocities.com/syzygywjp/Astrology.html)

Frequency-specific blocking in the human brain caused by electromagnetic fields (www.ortho.lsumc.edu/Faculty/Marino/Papers/FreqSpecBlock.pdf)

The Solar System Interplanetary Electromagnetic Field Matrix and the Biological Clock (http://www.diamondhead.net/ssiefmbc.htm)

POSSIBLE SPACE WEATHER INFLUENCE ON FUNCTIONAL ACTIVITY OF THE HUMAN BRAIN (www.estec.esa.nl/wmwww/wma/spweather/workshops/SPW_W3/PROCEEDINGS_W3/babayev.pdf)

HEART RATE VARIABILITY PARAMETERS VARIATIONS AT GEOMAGNETIC DISTURBANCES IN ARCTIC AND ANTARCTIC (http://pgi.kolasc.net.ru/Seminar/2002/Proceeding/biosphere/Chernoussl_Antonenko.pdf)

The following is not to be taken seriously - according to some sites it was written by Adam Sandler.

AQUARIUS (Jan 20 - Feb 18)
You have an inventive mind and are inclined to be progressive. You lie
a great deal. On the other hand, you are inclined to be careless and
impractical, causing you to make the same mistakes over and over
again. People think you are stupid.

PISCES (Feb 19 - Mar 20)
You have a vivid imagination and often think you are being followed by
the CIA or FBI. You have minor influence over your associates, and
people resent you for flaunting your power. You lack confidence and
are generally a coward. Pisces people do terrible things to small
animals.

ARIES (Mar 21 - Apr 19)
You are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt. You are
quick tempered, impatient, and scornful of advice. You are not very
nice.

TAURUS (Apr 20 - May 20)
You are practical and persistent. You have a dogged determination and
work like hell. Most people think you are stubborn and bull headed.
You are a Communist.

GEMINI (May 21 - June 20)
You are a quick and intelligent thinker. People like you because you
are bisexual. However, you are inclined to expect too much for too
little. This means you are cheap. Geminis are known for committing
incest.

CANCER (June 21 - July 22)
You are extremely sensitive by nature and very caring. You are a wimp. You are hopeless at making decisions and that is why you will always be on welfare. You will never amount to anything.

LEO (July 23 - Aug 22)
Your determination and sense of humor will come to the fore.
Your ability to laugh at adversity will be a blessing because
you've got a day coming you wouldn't believe. As a matter of
fact, if you can laugh at what happens to you today, you've got
a sick sense of humor.

VIRGO (Aug 23 - Sept 22)
You are the logical type and hate disorder. This nitpicking is
sickening to your friends. You are cold and unemotional and sometimes
fall asleep while making love. Virgos make good bus drivers.

LIBRA (Sept 23 - Oct 22)
You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with reality. If
you are a man, you are more than likely gay. Chances for employment
and monetary gains are excellent. Most Libra women are prostitutes.
All Libra people die of Venereal disease.

SCORPIO (Oct 23 - Nov 21)
You are shrewd in business and cannot be trusted. You will achieve the
pinnacle of success because of your total lack of ethics. Most Scorpio
people are murdered.

SAGITTARIUS (Nov 22 - Dec 21)
You are optimistic and enthusiastic. You have a reckless tendency to
rely on luck since you lack talent. The majority of Sagittarians are
drunks or dope fiends or both. People laugh at you a great deal.

CAPRICORN (Dec 23 - Jan 19)
You are conservative and afraid of taking risks. You don't do much of
anything and are lazy. There has never been a Capricorn of any
importance. Capricorns should avoid standing still for too long as
they take root and become trees.

Maybe this has been touched on before (I haven't read this entire thread), but what about when we start to travel the region. Will a baby born on a trip between stars need a completely custom system to tell them what they should be like? What if I am born in the core of the planet or on another planet in this solar system? I assume that some entrepreneurial person has made up charts for other planets to try and sell to the schmoes when the public starts to work on other planets.

Hi!

Of course we need another astrological system for other places on other planets! I don´t know how to calculate a horoscope for a child that is born while traveling between stars, but there will be a solution (there is a solution for everything)!

I have this feeling, that the old original astrological system (vedic astrology) have some connections to travellers from outer space (I know it sounds crazy) and they will know how to do this for sure!

-About UFO´s:
I think it´s time to realize the existence of intelligent life in outer space because there is a lot of military reports and observations throughout the world today!


Sincerely

Nostradamus

Originally posted by Banshee
Astrology is made up by humans.

Are you sure? Consider this: the large majority of what we consider 'ancient' civilizations all had traces of Astrology amongst their culture. They were looking at the same things up in the sky from different angles and still managed to maintain very similar depictions of the figures.

Astrology is thought to be the grandaddy of astronomy. The ancient Sumerians described the orbits of all 9 known planets in our solar system (and a 10th, but that's so controversial I'm not even going to get into it) in astounding detail. We didn't even find Pluto until the mid-1900s. The Sumerians didn't have telescopes or any means to communicate with any other humans out of their range of travel.

The Sumerians weren't the only ancient civilization to have 'figured out' atrology and astronomy on their own. hell, we didn't even unearth and transcribe the Sumerian texts until the 1800s, and that was many, many years after the fall of the Roman Empire. But astrology was a big part of their lives, too. And the Greeks, and the Aztecs, and even the Vikings.

Shoo, alls I'm sayin is that the existance of astrology - the same system of astrology, i might add - all over the world, amongst civilizations that had no means of direct intercommunication, is not some coincidence.

Each of the aforementioned ancient civilizations credit the emergence of astrology in their culture to their Gods.

Astrology isn't just some bogus way of predicting the future, it is much more. What is most important about Astrology is it dictates a link between our consciousness and the cosmos. Don't get me wrong - I agree that Horoscopes are ridiculous. But then again, astrology doesn't really play a large role in horoscopes anymore.

I sure hope you can prove me wrong, Banshee. I'd love to know who the inventor of astrology is. Since, of course, "astrology is made up by humans."

Bah. I tried that site and it was off on most of what it said about me.

Here's another question. How does it work in another Galaxy altogether, or between galaxies? Are the stars and planets near us somehow important or is it just any old stars and planets?

rebut the quotes i made in the previous page and i will give up astrology for good. i will burn my books. several other posters also attempted to put a scientific spin on this stuff. no response! should be a cakewalk for the sciforum scientists yes?

Originally posted by spookz
rebut the quotes i made in the previous page and i will give up astrology for good. i will burn my books. several other posters also attempted to put a scientific spin on this stuff. no response! should be a cakewalk for the sciforum scientists yes?
Sure it is possible, I can't deny that since I haven't put the time in to see the information. Maybe I will tomorrow morning. But... it seems to me that the planets would have little effect on us compared to the planet we are on right now. Are we talking 1/100th of a percent when Jupiter is in the right spot?

If this stuff is so important what will happen when children are born off the home planet. I'm sorry I keep coming back to this in this thread, but everything seems so centered on Earth in astrology as if the stars in the sky are still thought of as the inside of a black sphere with holes poked in it.

Earth is nothing even compared to objects in our own mediocre solar system.

Originally posted by spookz
rebut the quotes i made in the previous page and i will give up astrology for good. i will burn my books. several other posters also attempted to put a scientific spin on this stuff. no response! should be a cakewalk for the sciforum scientists yes?

As I said, bah. I must be pretty screwed up. Every time I mess around with astrology it is always way off. The best I've seen is about 30% accurate, which could just be lucky guesses. Astrology may work for some people, but not me.

Drop the astrology from the newspapers and so on!

1. Is the horoscope calculated on the TROPICAL or SIDEREAL zodiac?

2. Is it the western or the old original vedic astrology (at least 5000 years old) you looking at?

You have two choices:
The first computer works fine but the second sucks! Do you choose the first or the last one?

Personally I don´t trust the modern "western" astrology based on the Tropical system, but I am in love with the original Vedic astrology!

You have to be open and search for the real truth in life!
If someone tells you astrology sucks you might believe them for the rest of your life, but you just can´t be sure that they really telling you the truth!

Open your heart and eyes and give your self the change to realize - if you don´t do that you can´t realize and your personally meaning about life will be blocked!

For about 10 years ago every single scientist told us, that we were the only exsistence in the universe (weird), but today they are more open for that issue (cause of the observations of life beneath the atlantic ocean)... They now mean there can be life on every single planet!


Take care

Nostradamus

Originally posted by Ectropic
Here's another question. How does it work in another Galaxy altogether, or between galaxies? Are the stars and planets near us somehow important or is it just any old stars and planets?

this is the postulate: we are impacted by the electromagnetic field
different galaxy=different em field=different effects

general rule of thumb: the closer the planet>the stronger the em field> the stronger the effect.

*i think

;)

I really don´t know cause I/we don´t have tools to measure it, but I use to keep my self updated with scientific news that interest me, especially the climate debate have revealed some interesting discoverys...

I just think we get closer and closer each day, and every day we get a little piece of the truth, but we need far more yet to understand the full picture (if we ever get there???)...

We know today that the Sun have an 1500 years cyclus and it have a direct influence on our weathter and are mainly responsible for the triggering of the iceages too. This 1500 year long cyclus the Sun have is just one more brick in a very big puzzle, but it tells us there are some mechanics in our solar system that trigger geo-events on the earth.

The Moon is pulling in the ocean in front of it self and we are not talking about 2 liters of water..!

There are so many signs, just listen, the birds are singing...

PS. If you want to view my horoscope then my data is 17/Sep/1952, 8pm GMT, 0E15 Long, 51N26 Lat.
You don't need all that for your horoscope. All you need for horoscope is 17/Sep. That's it. For the map, yes, you would need ALL that...

"Section 1: How You Approach Life and How You Appear To Others
Forward-looking and progressive, you are a person who supports change, innovation, and human advancement, and you are often strongly committed to a humanitarian cause or social improvement. You are extremely aware of the interconnection and interdependence of all people, and are always relating personal issues to some larger framework. You see the political or social ramifications of personal actions, and you wish to contribute something of value to the world, or at least to your community or group."

"Section 2: The Inner You: Your Real Motivation
You are a person who thrives on challenge, and you often feel that you must battle your way through life, depending upon no one and nothing but your own strength, intelligence, and courage. You believe in being totally honest, true to oneself and one's own vision and convictions, even if that means standing alone. Honesty, integrity, personal honor, and authenticity are your gods, and you have no sympathy for weakness of character in others."

Wow. Pretty accurate! :)

You don't need all that for your horoscope. All you need for horoscope is 17/Sep. That's it. For the map, yes, you would need ALL that...

I thought since every organism is unique, you need specific space/time information to the galactic cordinate to project to the future? More accurate would be if we had that 11 dimension co-ordinate....:D

Yes, indeed... :D