How do the hippies in California explain this?

Top 5 Most Polluted U.S. Cities
1. Los Angeles (Long Beach, Calif., Riverside, Calif.)
2. Bakersfield, Calif.
3. Fresno-Madera, Calif.
4. Visalia-Porterville, Calif.
5. Merced, Calif.

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Mooseguy, It seems you know nothing about hippies and nothing about California. Those are not Hippy cities, but that does not matter because geography and wind patterns explain the smog in those cities. LA is the ultimate car town. Car exhaust tends to stay low in the atmosphere. Air that stays low does not get pushed out of the Los Angeles metro's valleys. The other four cities are all in the Central Valley. Their smog also does nto get pushed out by wind.

Bakersfield is a Republican city. I can't figure out why Bakersfield is Republican while Fresno is Democratic because the two cities seem like they should be the same as each other. Is their anybody from the Central valley who can explain that to me?

Meanwhile New York and some New England states are winning law suits against Mid Western Coal burning utilities for poluting the air on the East coast. Pollution follows the prevailing winds.

I answer this question in 1 simple sentence: pollution caused by the people.

Okay, apparently there are still some people on SciForums who missed the twenty or so previous posts in which I informed you that the polar ice caps on Mars are also receding. There are no humans up there to blame it on.

"It's the sun, stupid."

The sun is getting hotter. It does that, you know, it's a gigantic nuclear furnace and nobody is minding the thermostat.

This doesn't mean that we should not try to mitigate global warming before it irreversibly destroys our ecosystem, and that includes reducing greenhouse gases and all that stuff. It just means that we should stop blaming ourselves.

Shit happens. Cosmic shit happens cosmically.

If you're one of the majority of Americans who spends your entire workday huddled over a computer and talking on the phone, and you also happen to have both of those things at home (I guess you've got the computer), tell your boss that you're going to start working at home to save the planet. Commuting accounts for more than one fourth of America's petroleum consumption and it's got to be one of the stupidest activities that human beings ever invented.

If global warming is caused by people why is Mars experiencing global warming?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html

"Odyssey is giving us indications of recent global climate change in Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, project scientist for the mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

In fact, Mars may be in the midst of a period of profound climate change, according to a new study that shows dramatic year-to-year losses of snow at the south pole.

How could humans have caused the same/similar warming trends in Earth's past history before humans even existed?

Baron Max

Global warming on Mars is entirely different. Mars has a incomparable atmosphere.

How could humans have caused the same/similar warming trends in Earth's past history before humans even existed?

Baron Max

Um, with relative ease, apparently!

If global warming is caused by people why is Mars experiencing global warming?

The proposition is the humans are causing unprecedented global warming on Earth due to their production of greenhouse gasses.

The principle of greenhouse warming in general is natural and does happen on other planets.

Bakersfield is a Republican city. I can't figure out why Bakersfield is Republican while Fresno is Democratic because the two cities seem like they should be the same as each other. Is their anybody from the Central valley who can explain that to me?

Sorry to ring in so late. I'm in Modesto in the Central Valley. The CV is a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig place. Fresno and Bakersfield are next-door neighbors like Pluto and Mercury are next-door neighbors. The people who settled in the two towns are easily as diverse as anywhere. Modesto is largely Republican while genuinely next-door Ceres is Democrat. It's just a matter of who gets elected.

If global warming is caused by people why is Mars experiencing global warming?

We did put a robot there.... :)

By the way the thawning permafrost in Siberia sure will speed up things...

Farting chipmunks.

http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/alarming01.jpg

How do the hippies in California explain this?

Top 5 Most Polluted U.S. Cities
1. Los Angeles (Long Beach, Calif., Riverside, Calif.)
2. Bakersfield, Calif.
3. Fresno-Madera, Calif.
4. Visalia-Porterville, Calif.
5. Merced, Calif.These aren't 'hippie' cities. Not one of them. Earth to Moose: There aren't many real hippies left. Jonestown got rid of the last of em! My list of most polluted is Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Memphis, Baltimore and New Orleans.

What other cities in the world are severly polluted? I hear Mexico City is pretty nasty, air-quality-wise.

What other cities in the world are severly polluted? I hear Mexico City is pretty nasty, air-quality-wise.Yes. Also Beijing, Mumbai, Shanghai, New Delhi, Sao Paulo, Dhaka, Chennai, Manila and a few more.

If global warming is caused by people why is Mars experiencing global warming?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html

"Odyssey is giving us indications of recent global climate change in Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, project scientist for the mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

In fact, Mars may be in the midst of a period of profound climate change, according to a new study that shows dramatic year-to-year losses of snow at the south pole.

How could humans have caused the same/similar warming trends in Earth's past history before humans even existed?

Baron Max

Hey All

i have to agree with Ol' Maximus and the Buffalo.

Global warming and climate change may be happenign but their is fuck all we can do about it. All these bullshit policies are just a way of the governments extyracting money out of through fear!!! Just cos their incomptent in managing the nations books they have to find more ways to fuck us over to cover the short comings they waste.

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take it ez
zak

These aren't 'hippie' cities. Not one of them. Earth to Moose: There aren't many real hippies left. Jonestown got rid of the last of em! My list of most polluted is Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Memphis, Baltimore and New Orleans.

eh...detroit isnt so bad.
new orleans has weird air, though.
houston has a blanket of smog in the summertime (the only time ive ever been there).
cleveland..i never noticed.

Global warming and climate change may be happenign but their is fuck all we can do about it.The primary cause of global warming is surely a fluctuation in the sun's energy output, as shown by the fact that the polar ice caps are also melting on Mars. The sun is a big nuclear furnace and there's no one to fiddle with the thermostat. Nonetheless, our own effect on the planet's temperature is significant. If we could mitigate it we might be able to prevent the calamity which is predicted by a lot of scientists.

I share the skepticism that these same people who were predicting a new Ice Age forty years ago can accurately predict the weather more than four hours in advance. But I am more than skeptical of the claims that global warming is predominantly our fault. The sun is bigger than all of us and it has clearly done this before.

Still, this is a pretty dire scenario. If we can't tell if the prediction is valid, some very astute risk analysis is required. If we curtail our energy consumption and the world survives, we'll never know if we played a role in its survival or it would have happened that way anyway. If we don't and irreparable damage is done to the ecosystem and our place in it, it will be small comfort to say, "This was just bad luck, the numbers said it was a highly unlikely outcome."

I disagree with your premise that there's fuck-all we can do about it. But like most Westerners I'm not looking forward to making adjustments in our energy policy quickly that we have not even been able to do slowly. The consequences of that to our civilization may rival the consequences of the hypothesized meltdown.

The primary cause of global warming is surely a fluctuation in the sun's energy output, as shown by the fact that the polar ice caps are also melting on Mars.


1. How do you know that the Mars doesn't have cyclical cooling/warming periods, completely independent of Earth's? Maybe it happens quite often..

2. The fact the oilcompanies were trying to hide the data shows that there must be some human element to the warming, otherwise they could have just used REAL data and arguments.

3. Please prove that there is connection between Mars' and Earth's climate changes, meaning that they always occur TOGETHER.

The Sun.

Republicans.

The UN report which is about to be released states categorically that solar fluctuations are not the primary cause of the current global warming trend - it is human caused.
Are the fluctuations too small?

Nickelodeon, and when has the U.N. ever been right on anything?

I disagree with your premise that there's fuck-all we can do about it. But like most Westerners I'm not looking forward to making adjustments in our energy policy quickly that we have not even been able to do slowly. The consequences of that to our civilization may rival the consequences of the hypothesized meltdown.

Dear Fraggle,

thank you for your response and the analysis you have provided me.

So how much time will it buy us if we implment some nergy changes???

Are we talking 1 yr, 5 yrs, 10yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs or more?
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Take care Zak

Hi Zak, PBWY, the story isn't over yet,

Polar Ice Cap Studies Refute Catastrophic Global Warming Theories ...
... are maintaining their mass and in fact growing slightly. ... Just off the Arctic polar ice cap, ice coverage in Greenland was also shown to be steady ...
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1281


Polar Ice Cap Studies Refute Catastrophic Global Warming Theories
by James M. Taylor (December 16, 2001)

A series of recent studies shows that the polar ice caps, which should be shrinking if dire global warming theories are correct, are maintaining their mass and in fact growing slightly. The studies suggest satellite temperature readings, which indicate no global warming of the lower atmosphere, are more reliable than surface temperature readings, taken by humans under varying conditions, that had indicated a slow, gradual warming.

Hi buffy,

the story isn't over yet. As can read on the nature.com website this week, and not 6 years ago the oceans are taking up the excess CO2, with the deeper layers taking in more and more.

Making them more acidic in the process. Something that will have consequences.

regards,

your love monkey

Nickelodeon, and when has the U.N. ever been right on anything?

when they said they couldnt find evidence of saddam hussein's current weapons programs?
hm...blind patriotism is my favorite flavor.

Making them more acidic in the process. Something that will have consequences.

Good consequences or bad ones?

Maybe the added acidity will cause the fish to grow bigger and tastier, thus creating a greater and better food supply for mankind.

Not all "consequences" are bad, ya' know? :D

Baron Max

Anything made from calcium will dissolve. That's alot of shellfish.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article516033.ece

Hi monkyface, and the story is not over yet, still no absolute proof that man is the cause,

World Climate Report » Arctic Forecast: Nordic Sea Ice Expansion
The researchers further conclude that since the last Arctic cold period occurred in the late 1960s, it is likely that the Arctic ice pack is now at the ...
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/01/18/arctic-forecast-nordic-sea-ice-expansion

Hey guys! You won't believe this but I actually was up late a few nights ago and happened upon something concerning global warming. It was one of those CNN things where you can watch congress yapping about stuff, like new policy's, anyway they were saying that scientists KNEW for certain global warming existed because they'd built whole models of the earth into computer simulations, then added various elements of climatic change. After numerous studies done using this approach they were able to test what the environment might be like if CO2 wasn't so heavily produced, and infact they discovered the climate would've been significantly different. So they've been telling everyone that asks about the methods they use, and although one guy made a joke about cows adding to the problem the science is sound. By constructing computer models of the earth and programming in all we know about the environment accurate predictions have been produced that indicate global warming is due to CO2, and other gases of this type. So yeah, this is pretty much no longer debatable.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/19/51921/827

They modeled the entire Earth's climate with a computer.? I don't think so. This is one of the holy grails of supercomputing. If they have done this, I would have heard about it before CNN did.

Here smartie pants!http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070111184302.htm

I would love for them to prove that they have all the pertinent data in their computer model, the don't even know all the variables that make up the day to day weather, and can't predict weather with any accuracy a week from now, so now they are going to predict the future weather 2000 years from now? great crystal ball, do they were a turban to?