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Chatha
04-02-07, 01:30 PM
Men can suppress their emotion, not their sex drive. Women can suppress their sex drive, not their emotion. What is the reason for this, the underling reason is that one carries all the burden.

One thing I have noticed about women, and why they may sometimes appear pretentious over men is their "amazing ability to bear children". And this is also subconsciously part of why men even as early as 14 year old boys have their occasional fascination with women. Having and bearing children is a very deep primal instinct instilled in all mammalian brain. Once we invent artificial wombs, my hypothesis is that the sexual and emotional attractions between both sexes will be more balanced and stable, though not necessarily better. At least we could finally answer the age old dilemma by having women and men becoming better friends by sharing feelings, and probably even better relationships. Ergo the best relationships are the ones where no one party bears any more or less burden. Everything has to be balanced in a good relationship. Men will become more emotional, and women would probably become impressed by men by finding them sexier. Like I said, all living things graduate towards the ones which can bear children, usually the female, which is also why human females biologically graduate towards other females. Some societies including the West have an unfavorable sexual balance, sexual priority is given to the women, and men are made to chase or long for their delicate attention. Women are paraded in the media, almost in an intentionally teasing fashion. Meanwhile, these societies have illegalized prostitution. What you now have is a sexually deprived and unproductive male population, which usually leads to men driving women crazy, rape, and unhappy relationships. Maybe nature made it this way, that sexual and emotional charges are so polarized in Humans, but in other facets of nature, including science, which is also nature, balance is almost always more favorable.

To create an artificial womb shouldn't be that hard, not after we can clone humans. If we can clone humans and map their DNA, we surely can feed and shelter them in their early stages of life. There are currently two ways of artificial wombs, one transplanted in females and one entirely cultured outside of the female. I think this is a great idea, both for men and women, and a way to fundamentally develop perfect babies. Some experiments have yielded offprings, but for now they are usually deformed and die in a few weeks. I think artificial wombs are still infact inevitable in the near future. Certainly more plausible than brain transplant.

...Another form of artificial uterus is one in which tanks are filled with amniotic fluid which is maintained at body temperature, and the embryonic umbilical cords are attached to external pumps which regulate nutrient intake and waste outflow. A potential advantage of such a system is that it would allow the fetus to develop in an environment that is not influenced by the presence of disease, environmental pollutants, alcohol, or drugs which the mother may have in her circulatory system. However, it would also not benefit from the protection of the mother's immune system. Alternatively, it would also reduce the chances of miscarriage and premature births by allowing the embryo to develop full term outside the mother's uterus, transferred after the initial 17 weeks of implantation. Such research is being conducted by Dr. Yoshinori Kuwabara at Juntendo University in Tokyo...

...The closest approximation of an operational machine-womb was created about five years ago. In experiments at Juntendo University in Tokyo, an acrylic box was filled with a liquid similar to amniotic fluid. A goat embryo, removed by cesarean section after four months of normal gestation, was placed in the chamber and its umbilical cord hooked to tubes connected to an artificial placenta. Most of the kids died, but a few survived up to three weeks, reaching full term for a goat. None was without deformities or lung problems. The experiments are no longer under way...

But as we all know, intentions don’t mean much once an innovation is released. Liu thinks she and her team should have a viable mouse womb in 5 to 10 years. A human model will take longer—“10 years, maybe, or a little more,” she says, assuming that restrictions on fetal testing are lifted or eased. “It could take as much as 50 years, but I’m very hopeful that this is possible.” Her voice is soft. “It will be helping a life, a baby, helping parents. Those are good things, and that’s all I can be thinking about right now.”


http://www.popsci.com/popsci/futurebody/dc8d9371b1d75010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

darksidZz
04-02-07, 02:03 PM
Unfortunately someones already beat us to it. Review this to find out more:

http://www.gregsandow.com/ufo/Contents/Threat_Review/threat_review.htm

draqon
04-02-07, 02:07 PM
I am for the creation of artificial womb, women are too much trouble to deal with.

darksidZz
04-02-07, 02:08 PM
Woman are fine animals, I like them but they don't like me :(

Nikelodeon
04-02-07, 02:09 PM
No-one likes you....

draqon
04-02-07, 02:11 PM
Woman are fine animals, I like them but they don't like me :(

what is your BMI?

darksidZz
04-02-07, 02:12 PM
I don't know, help!

Nikelodeon
04-02-07, 02:14 PM
BMI = Baron Max Indicies.

draqon
04-02-07, 02:15 PM
I don't know, help!

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

draqon
04-02-07, 02:19 PM
darksidz tell me your BMI value

darksidZz
04-02-07, 08:18 PM
It's 25, I am 6'3 200 pounds. According to the chart I'm barely overweight but not really. I blame it on the antidepressants making me gain a little.. I use to burn it off easily before but now some sticks on.

madanthonywayne
04-03-07, 01:07 AM
The nice thing is, it would finally resolve the abortion issue. No need to kill the baby, transfer it to the artificial womb and let someone adopt it.

iam
04-03-07, 02:47 AM
Better yet, they should give men the option of an artificial womb so they can experience the joys of pregnancy and fatherhood bonding. Maybe couples could even take turns, toss a coin. If seahorses can do it, so can human males. Sometimes you've just got to break the mold and be a pioneer.

Plazma Inferno!
04-03-07, 03:21 AM
Little less off topic!

Stick to the subject, please!

Grantywanty
04-03-07, 03:56 AM
We have enough babies being produced out there.
And an artificial womb is creepy.

Chatha
04-04-07, 12:19 PM
We have enough babies being produced out there.
And an artificial womb is creepy. Everything comes from nature, whether its man made or not, don't let the word "artificial" throw you. I saw an American movie called "the Island" not too long ago. About making perfect disease and deformity free humans. They grew them in artificial wombs till any age they wanted. I know its just TV but scientists are trying to develop artificial womb in real life, especially Japanese scientists. And don't discredit the Japs, they discovered many meta particles that beleaguered other scientists in Quantum Mech. Besides, when we perfect the Human genome project and advance in meternal, hemology, and human anatomy, how long do you think? I think its not a bad idea to have artificial womb. You may not see it as advancement but what about the other couples that can't have offsprings of their own and don't want another woman's egg carrying their new born labor of love. Do you know the number of women that give birth to still births? Had to have cesarean section? Had to leave their jobs on meternal duties? Endured post natal depression? Also, A. womb is a very good substitute for pets, reducing the cost of having cesarean section.

Grantywanty
04-04-07, 12:36 PM
Everything comes from nature, whether its man made or not, don't let the word "artificial" throw you.

I see a lot of hubris and ignorance on the part of scientists, especially when it comes to deep human connections and situations where there are an extremely wide range of factors, like this one. 40 years ago they were ripping tonsils out regularly because it seemed like extraneous tissue, later they found out it played a role in the immunce system. This is not to damn them, and is merely one example amongst many, but I do think that scientists tend towards a Newtonian analysis of cause and effect (except when they are dealing with QM or some such). In other words they may be things going on in the womb and between the mothers and the foetuses that 1) the scientists will not realize they need to recreate. 2) are not yet detectible 3) I am sure there are 3s but I'll stick with the first two.

Let's say they are really smart. They have heartbeat sounds and even vary hormonal levels in the blood, move the womb around as it is moved around by the pregnant mother and so on. I mean, let's say they go beyond temperature, light levels, nutriant levels and try to get some of the more subtle stuff. still they will be missing stuff.

I wouldn't give up sex with a woman I love for sex with scientists best blow up fuck doll. Sorry to be so blunt, but I think it needs some bluntness here. NO matter how lifelike the texture of 'her' skin, how lifelike her 'moans' and so on. And the idea of a future where that is my only option, well, that is hell.

Even more so a child. Here we are talking about a being forming all its first impressions on a deep non-verbal level of relationship, inclusion, mother, self, universe.

Worst case scenario, the babies are oddly cold with other humans, or terrified because something now intangible was missing in the 'reacreation' of the 'mother'.

Even scarier is subtle psychological differences in these children, later adults, that are nto really noticed until decades later.

Adn there is no need for these wombs anyway.

Chatha
04-04-07, 12:59 PM
I see a lot of hubris and ignorance on the part of scientists, especially when it comes to deep human connections and situations where there are an extremely wide range of factors, like this one. 40 years ago they were ripping tonsils out regularly because it seemed like extraneous tissue, later they found out it played a role in the immunce system. This is not to damn them, and is merely one example amongst many, but I do think that scientists tend towards a Newtonian analysis of cause and effect (except when they are dealing with QM or some such). In other words they may be things going on in the womb and between the mothers and the foetuses that 1) the scientists will not realize they need to recreate. 2) are not yet detectible 3) I am sure there are 3s but I'll stick with the first two. Well, you are right. Its not impossible to omitt certain things, but they have to try for the greater good. All they essentially need to do is feed and shelter an embryo, its realy not that daunting. They did successfully give birth to some animal specie using some developmental phases of the artifial womb, but these offsprings died in a few weeks after birth, and all had deformities. But like I said, they are still in the developmental stage, I am pretty sure no scientific process ever becomes publicly available until its fully tested and tried, and approved by the government and other notables. Drugs are a very good example.

Let's say they are really smart. They have heartbeat sounds and even vary hormonal levels in the blood, move the womb around as it is moved around by the pregnant mother and so on. I mean, let's say they go beyond temperature, light levels, nutriant levels and try to get some of the more subtle stuff. still they will be missing stuff. Overtones of pessimism

I wouldn't give up sex with a woman I love for sex with scientists best blow up fuck doll. Sorry to be so blunt, but I think it needs some bluntness here. NO matter how lifelike the texture of 'her' skin, how lifelike her 'moans' and so on. And the idea of a future where that is my only option, well, that is hell. You and I wouldn't have to give up sex. Artificial womb will never be the only option. Women will still be able to carry their own babies, though they run the risk of birthing children with disabilities, especially an alchoholic or genetically inheret mother. Artificial womb, when and if ever perfected, will only be a means for infetile women. Possibly also an experimental phase for a couple that have already had a few of their own; giving them the choice of customizing traits they couldn't get from their own natural babies.

Even more so a child. Here we are talking about a being forming all its first impressions on a deep non-verbal level of relationship, inclusion, mother, self, universe.

Worst case scenario, the babies are oddly cold with other humans, or terrified because something now intangible was missing in the 'reacreation' of the 'mother'.

Even scarier is subtle psychological differences in these children, later adults, that are nto really noticed until decades later. The problem of pre-human relationship with respect to a fetus relation with his mother can easily be solved with simulations. Simulations like a constant play back of a video of his mother. You may even pre-determine and guide his intelligence and morality with all kinds of simulations.

Adn there is no need for these wombs anywayThere is no need till a mother gives birth to a child with autism, and ruins the dreams of the family. Yes, there is no need.