I don't think so, I don't think we've been visited by aliens or anything like that however I don't think we are the only beings with human like consciousness in the universe, what do you think?.

I believe we are not alone in the universe and I don't think we are the only inteligent beings in the entire universe.

I don't have any doubt that there must be some creatures with human-like consciousness somewhere in universe, and intelligence must be somewhere too.

Because threads like this have been around here for a long time, I want to know it more exactly, most people agree with life and intelligence somewhere.

But is there a life-form in our own milky way???? And what kind of it?
That's much more difficult, I still have my doubts about that point. What you think?

(owh, before I forget: I do not believe in UFO's)

ALiens? Yes but out of all the Tv shows, all the movies, all the pictures, all the conspiracies, it seems to me that every alien idea that is popularized is based on an earthy animal or form. Out of the Just think about it. There is more than 6 billion people on this planet. What is the possibility that you would meet someone in africa that looks even resembles you. We have five fingers only because they became seperated after we lost the webing and tissue in between them that we used to swim with. (this of course supports evolution.) The chance that we might encounter a being that even resembels a human are astronomically high.

Do you with we, only mean human beings currently living on Earth? Or do you mean all species dwelling in this universe? Because the universe next door has some pretty intelligent lifeforms too you know...and to compare us in this universe to them , oh, that would really be a galactic jeopardy! :D

What I mean is (human like consciousness) some intlegent being which has the capacity to think!, and perceive reality similar as we do!. Aliens, cause they wouldn't be from earth, intelegent cause they would perceive reality similar as we do!.

I do believe that there may be beings of *human like consciousness* within in our own galaxy (the Milkyway) cause it has billions of stars, it's 100 million light years across, 30 million light years wide. Now that would be a waist of space, if there isn't any huh!.

Godless,
I would take issue with the waste of space.

I do believe that there may be beings of *human like consciousness* within in our own galaxy (the Milkyway) cause it has billions of stars, it's 100 million light years across, 30 million light years wide. Now that would be a waist of space, if there isn't any huh!.


Nothing guarantees that space has to be filled. Nor matter has to be occupied by beings of any kind.
By it's very definition space is not filled. It is space and it is empty other than the rare bits of matter and energy contained within. This is presuming that some of the theories may be incorrect. They are after all just theories.

Are we the only intelegent beings in the universe?

Answer: (take your pick)
YES
Could be
NO WAY
We could be a simulation in a super computer that is playing SIM-UNIVERSE

Someday we could do the same in a computer too, if we can accurately simulate the origin of the universe.

Does it matter?

Originally posted by kmguru
We could be a simulation in a super computer that is playing SIM-UNIVERSE

how about our solar system is an "atom" in a much larger object beyond our perception and the planets are "electrons" orbiting around the "nucleus" (sun)? Just a thought.

Originally posted by Pabu


how about our solar system is an "atom" in a much larger object beyond our perception and the planets are "electrons" orbiting around the "nucleus" (sun)? Just a thought.

Good old 'infinite regression'. Seems very intuitively plausable to me but what do I know? ;)

Are we the only intelegent beings in the universe?

Irony, surely.

Welcome to sciforums, Izm Skizm. Speculations are fun and good until we come close to taking the most probable answer path. So speculate away....

My sentiments on the subject exactly, Godless...I firmly believe in life elsewhere in the Universe. However, I do not believe that life in any form can overcome the laws of physics, laws which remain the same throughout the Universe, outside the boundaries of a black hole.

I am currently hedging my bets for the 'discovery' of life elsewhere in the Universe. I would be willing to wager that confirmation of life elsewhere in the universe to end right here in our own solar system. I am no scientist, just a fan of science. However, the evidence as I see it points to the possibility of life on Europa.

A little background:

Europa ("yoo ROH puh") is the sixth of Jupiter's known satellites and the fourth largest; it is the second of the Galilean moons. Europa is slightly smaller than the Earth's Moon. Source: http://www.nineplanets.org/europa.html

http://www.awequest.net\Europa[color].jpg If image does not display you can see it at Europa (http://www.awequest.net/space/europa.htm)

The evidence collected so far from the Galileo Jupiter Probe indicates that Europa is covered by a relatively thin layer of salty ocean water ice. Surface feature indicate a level of thermodynamic activity beneath the surface of that ocean.

On earth, black smokers beneath our oceans horbor life life in a incredibly hot, scalding environment. On Europa, it is theorized that similar geologic feature may also exist and that, as on Earth, life may exist in vicinity of Europan black smokers.

I think Europan exploratiion, including a device which can melt its way through the ice to explore the sea beneath should be the top priority in the search for extraterrestrial life. For if we discover life on Europa similar to the life found associated with black smokers on Earth, it would be the most profound discovery in the history of man, proving once and for all that life can exist anywhere in the Universe

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You've heard of Majestic 12...I am the one they never told you about...

We can not be that intelegent,as we keep blowing things up and destroying the rain forests,destroying the future of our children,the ozone is going as we keep putting space craft up into it, I have no problems with exploration,but if we class our selfs the intelegent beings in the universe,then surly there must be another way to look after the earth, or are we that thick we have to destroy it just to say that we can, we build missiles that can destroy anthing,(WHY?) there is plenty of things all over the world that needs to be put right, i agree that the earth must be protected from astroids, but we have to protect it from us as well,any one agree or do i not belong on this planet there must be some other life form out there who is more intelegent than us.

Then why you want to blast off, blastoff? :D

Great, this dicussion reminds me of a very nice theory (can't remember whose theory it is).

Following to the theory we will never find beings with the same intelligence and consciousness, because usely they kill themself before they reach this point.

Very pessimistic theory, but I think it's great, becuase didn't we almost annihilate ourself during the cold-war?
Can consciuosness and intelligence exist next to peace and harmony????

Mabye we measure intelligence by a biased yardstick. Our bodies, to include our minds, are tools our specific genes use to help them reproduce in a more efficiant manner. Mabye the effectiveness of the biological tool in executing the goals of the genetic code represent the genes intelligence. Mabye the words "intelligence" and "adaptability" are truly interchangeable. This would, I think tend to narrow the possibility that we are the ONLY intelligent life in the omniverse.

Ya kned, You are right. In carl sagan's book cosmos he explains that we are in the age of technological Adolecence and that if we surivive this, We will probably become a space ferring civilization. That is depending if we don';t blow our selves to little tiny piceces. If you read Cosmos there is like chapter dedicated to that. Also the probability of life somewhere else in the galaxy. Which is explained through a equation that is very good! so even if there is 1% that survives the number of Smart aliens that can visit us is in the millions. So be happy. The Little green men come from our minds. The true little green men won;t look like men at all.

It is not a correct leap of "logic" that aliens will not look like us. There were some very fundamental forces of nature that pushed evolution toward our present appearance. For instance:

We have 5 fingers on each hand and foot becuase that has proven to be the most efficient. There are almost no other animals or creatures with 6 or more fingers or toes. There are only a few with fewer than 5 and all of those are special adaptations to unique environments - like the 3 toed sloth. The fact is that any dexterous creature would likely develop 5 fingers on gimbaled arms very much like we have in order to be able to advance their civilization and technology.

Upright stance is also an evolutionary end product. With an advanced thinking brain that makes tools, it is useful to free the hands or forelimbs from walking to carry those tools and to do other things. No other creature on earth is as efficient at using tools as humans and that has a lot to do with upright stance. This leads to legs that must support and balance in a bi-pedal form and move in an efficient manner. In fact, we do NOT use the most effiicent form of movement when we walk but it does perform sufficently. We will undoubtedly improve that aspect in the eons ahead.

two eyes - again binocular (3-D) vision is essential to development. More eyes would not necessarily help unless we also had developed more arms, larger brains, more legs, and larger overall size - all of which would need more food, more weight, etc. Although another planet might have supported such a development, it is not clear that the result would not be the same as here on Earth.

Similar justifications based on evolution and the unsuccessful trials and errors of other designs can justify the size and placement of ears, or sex organs, noses, mouth, other internal organs and fluids.

Computer models have been created that mimic evolution at a much accelerated rate and they frequently "evolve" into bi-pedal creatures.

This is not to say that there can't be marked differences. In fact, it is only by an act of fate that we decended from mammals instead of reptiles. Prior to the next to last great extinction when a comet or astroid hit the Yucatan area and started the end of the dinosaurs, evolution had begun to favor the reptiles as the dominant species on this planet. Had we not had that metor strike, it is very probable that what we call humans would have evolved from reptiles - however, we might still be creatures with 5 fingers, two eyes, two legs, standing upright with large brains, etc. etc. - in other words we might still look like we do today - perhaps with some minor cosmetic differences.

So, if you believe in the forces of evolution and the ideas of social interaction with the world and with technology and tools, then you might conclude that UFO aliens might very well look like us.

See my other posts on THEM !

The chances that aliens look like us are so astrnomially small. I mean come one 5 fingers? Your right but what if they hve telekinetic powers do to a planet wide eletricall field or something. What aabout gravity? We only grow so tall partly because eveouluton has said more that 8 feet and you start stumbling every where. Thats becase of gravity. Aliens might have Much more gravity so grow 4 times taller or much less and 4 times shorter. Eyes? Maybe they have to se a different spetrum of light than just colors. Oh And we are partly the way we are because of random events like extinction and meteors and weather. Also they might be not arbon based. There are so many varibles. To say that there are probably aleins that look human is saying to much. The chances are stronomically high. Oh and earth isn't perfect for life, just merely perfect for the life on earth. Water might be posin to an alien. They might drink mercury like water. Oxygen and water are not essential to life, just life on earth.:p :cool:

Not so fast Cosmos Guru....

The Universe works on the principle of symmetry. Also, it may be that life follows a specific blue print, like water is always H2O. The DNA in plants and animals are the same. No animal has weird DNA or triple helix. Nature is frugal and simplicity rules. So it is more likely, the aliens that evoloved from a similar background will grow to a similar species. A minor chage in eyes and other body parts not withstanding, I would say that aliens are just like us.

Now, if conditions are so different that life evolved differently with a non-DNA base, then communication may be impossible....

Things like a left handed dna spiral helix would certainly alter the function of any biological creature. I am not sure that such could exist.

Perhaps a left handed anything just proves chaos within nature.

As for different genetics, I should think it's possible, although there would still be similar chemical compositions, of course Chaos theory does dictate that no matter how chaotic a system there are points of reference where a system might stablise to a similar pattern from within itself, A preportion of a fractal before it sets off on chaotic course again.

I say this because it's chemical chain will have similarities, that is why all life has gene simularities even though they don't fit together the same.

I would say if we are to come across other life forms from some other solar system out there, they would have to have to cater for certain rules:

1: Resilliance, This is to both disease and to overcome hsotile environments such as worms, spiders, flies, rats, and maybe your clasic survivalistic human.

2: Dexterious design, the ability to improvise and work with what is at hand, since worms/spiders/flies/rats, can't build shelters, or use the advantage of materials they might find it difficult. Of course they are quite happy eating anything that's dead and decay, you on the other hand might not.

3: I would guess any life form would need an intake of oxygen if it is large, due to oxygens use in combustibility.

Of course the main point is if we do come face to face with some alien, how are we really going to react????

Think you and the alien speak different languages, any fast movements you make with any instruments you have (Like a cell phone) and the alien could think it's a weapon and thus a hostile action and vapourises you on the spot. Of course this on turn could be the same, the alien busts a move for his translator, you freak and attack him or run for cover.

If you try to use hand signals or get him to grasp the basis of "Hi I'm friendly!" how will you continue with the rest of your conversation, It's not like your going to want to take him to the local University to allow the scientists to meet him because word will get about and the next thing you know everybody want's to prod, poke and cut little bits out of him.

What valid piece of an intellectual gem do you tell to this traveller? Are you going to tell him the prime numbers? After all if he managed to make it all this distance I would say the prime numbers would be a bit basic, If anything he would probably want to know something that is current and at the peak of the present time. Neural networking perhaps?

The best way to analyze these scenarios is to get hold of the procedure no 551 (*) from whitehouse. It describes exactly what the whitehouse does in the event of a landing by an alien ship on the whitehouse lawn.

If you do not have access to that, then I suggest prepare 3 scenarios as to going to another planet and meeting another similar specis. I have posted this before - so you have to dig through.....

kmguru,

Actually, we already alter our form and function as a basic response to our environment. The people of the high Andes - living all their lives above 10,000 ft elevation, have evolved very large barrel chests to house oversize lungs that are needed to pull in all the thin air they need to wrk. The entire population is like this. The reason that Africans have black skin is in response to the high exposure to the sun. This is pure Darwin. We respond to our environment.

Exobiology would dictate that an alien that lived in a solar system with a dimmer sun would develop larger eyes. An atmosphere of more than 21% O2 would result in small lungs than we have. And so on.

Scientists have speculated that carbon is not the only element that could have beome the basis for life. Silicon might also have evolved life. Instead of carbon based creatures, we might well have evoled from silicon compounds. There is no telling what that might have produced.

Actually, given all our mutations, I think we have a pretty diverse group of humans right now.

Hi Moses:

You seem to have a good grasp of changes that occur due to environment and I agree with you, because nature adapts....it is a System Dynamics thing...

I read somewhere that silicon based life forms will consume too much energy to be useful, that is why we do not see them on earth. Nature is frugal. One thing I always wondered is why Chinese have slant eyes? It is as if they lived under a bright sun-light for many thousand years. Any ideas? Some say, they came on a spaceship???

Since nature adapts, but over several generations (otherwise, European Blacks would have turned white by now!!!) so if you are a japanese or chinese immigrated to USA recently, you will die eating American fast food....right?

Yes we have mutations, but they are minor and slow to change over a very long period. While there are many variety of dogs, from poodle to huskies, the dog property has not changed. They all bark, wiggle their tails (those who have them) and do doggy things...no one has ever looked at a dog in china, and said, my God, it is a cat!

My point is, biological looks and property will be similar for a specific specis under a cetain environment. If the environment is close to earth, we will have humanoids...period. If it is Europa, we will find fish like creatures. They could be intelligent but similar to Dolphins. Space crafts, televisions, cell phones, computers? I dont think so - unless you watched Abyss too many times....

I would say the reason for any Genetic trait that has been passed on in generation within the Mongoloids is that take for instance China has a vast area of mountain range above Sea level, This means that the horizon can appear below the level that you would see if you were at sea level, so the sun is in the sky for a longer period of time.

As for silicon based life... Well from what I understand, if we run into Silicon based life then it's been developed by a Carbon based life form to start with (Namely artificial intelligence/Robots)

As for the intelligence of Dolphins, Their intelligence was measured by the quota of the brain they use, Since they are Aquatic and use sonar which uses part of their brain to map the ocean in three dimensions with just sounds, there is no wonder why people think and find them so intelligent.

If us humans had sonar capability we too would find that our IQ's would be measured that much higher due to the fact we would be using more of our brain.

As for how an alien looks, Perhaps they will have got to the point of working a few things in together. Take a piece of the Uploading the Human Mind posting and a little bit of imagination and you get:

It takes many light years to travel from X to get here, So the beings that want to travel the distance Upload themselves into the Mainframe on board ship, While on the journey to here they mess around int he ships lab working out what form they want to take, or from looking at our broadcasts work out what form we would find acceptable, Over the time it takes them to travel to here they have the chance to grow clones from their designs in a vat and upload themselves to them.

By the time the craft reaches here they now have a version that we find are Suitable in appearance. If you don't believe me... question your neighbour... j/k

Originally posted by Captain Canada


Irony, surely. ya there are aliens in the universe ;)

...joining this discussion now:
SILICIUM BASED LIFE:
Well the Silicium atom has - like Carbon - 4 possibilities to bind with other atoms, thus (theoretical) ability to form long chains, and cycles... However the CHON (Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen Nitrogen) based life is much much more probable:
First C, H, O and N are very frequent elements in the universe, while the next line of the Mendeleiev table is much less frequent.
Second The electronic orbitals around Si are such that it favours ionic-type links, which means: less flexibility, cristalline structure, too strong links. Good example is CO2, very important element in life, a gas at normal temperature and pressure, bringing greenhouse effect capabilities (yes it can help...), while SiO2 is a cristal (harder to incorporate in oxydizing/reducing type of chemical reactions)
Third you need a solvent: the CHON solvent is H2O, water - liquid between 0°C and 100°C... While it would be NH3 - liquid at much lower temperatures... which means the cinetics of chemical reactions are much much slower...
In summary, not impossible, but quite improbable to have a non Carbon-based life.
ENANTIOMERES:
the life is Left-handed on Earth... and there is quite some mystery re. the explanation... nobody knows... however I've read a recent article (pb is I absolutely do not remember on which Internet site !!!) on a discovery that in some far molecular interstellar cloud, there was UV light that was polarized, and the polarization triggered a preference for L-shaped molecules or D-shaped depending on this polarization.
My (personal) hypothesis is thus that we are L-shaped because the UV light (the one that can trigger reactions binding prebiotic molecules in interstellar cold clouds) in our neighborhood was polarized in a certain way..
No reason why in some other area of the galaxy, one finds D-shaped life...
HUMAN-LIKE LIFE FORM?
For me, yes for the general aspect like: organs performing sensing would be dual (it gives a 3-d perception), with probably sesnsitivity to the light (CHON-life, thus general conditions close to Earth-conditions, thus atmosphere with Oxygen - the most efficient oxidizer for Redox reactions, energy pumps...-, protection against hard radiation, some CO2, N2, possibly Sulphur-derivatives... ), in any case transparency to visible light, next UV, next IR. Definitely some symmetry axis, a sensitivity to gravity separating the top from the bottom, with sensors rather at the top etc....
Now details may be quite different. Could be fun to imagine a complete history of an exoplanet, then retrace how the life could evolve (with same fundamentals as earth as I just mentionned... DNA and so on..) and 'create' an alien form, both close and different from us...

INTELLIGENCE?
Well, no idea. Drake equation and my personal belief say Yes... but maybe not frequent, and nearly impossible to contact, unless we are extremely lucky (and that does not prevent us to try... see SETI).

Scorpio

One thing I always wondered is why Chinese have slant eyes? It is as if they lived under a bright sun-light for many thousand years. Any ideas? Some say, they came on a spaceship???

im pretty sure thats to adapt to the light condiditions of northern china.

Indigeouns australian's have very "thick" brows which kinda act like sun shades

kinda the reverse of asian people

In the book "The Millennial Project", Marshall Savage believes we are the only intelligent life in the universe. His argument is quite interesting.

Life tends to fill all available niches. We will escape the Earth and colonize our solar system. The solar system has a lot of real estate, not just the planets and moons, but millions of asteroids and kuiperoids as well. Our solar system could _easily_ accomodate trillions of people in comfort on all those asteroids.
And we could easily do this for any solar system as we expand out into the universe.

If intelligent life existed elsewhere in the universe, why wouldn't do the same thing?

With such heavy colonization, they would be easy to see straight across the universe.

There may be intelligent life at approximately our stage of development, however, since our technological development stage is so short in comparison to the age of the universe, it is highly improbable.

Primitive life is more likely, and I believe that could exist elsewhere in the universe.

Recently, there been articles about a galactic habitibility zone, which seems to make life less likely. If you are too close to the center of a galaxy the environment is too hostile with bomardments and massive radiation. If you are too far from the center of a galaxy, then there are not enough metals (anything besides hydrogen and helium) to form planets. In addition, it may be that whole small galaxies may not have any planets at all!

Just recently, some scientists discovered an extra-solar system just a few light years from us. The exciting thins is that they found the orbit of one planet is nearly circular like the Earth's orbit around the sun. Even though the chance for life is nearly none since the sun over there is much larger than ours, the point is, it is not that rare after all to have a nearly circular obit, with the right condition of the sun, life could well be possible. After all, it's a big universe!

Who even thinks we are intelligent? In view of the current state of our planet, one must hope that there is intelligent life SOMEWHERE..........

I have a joke on this.

That there is an intelligent life in the universe,
best proves the fact that no one has ever tried to contact us.:D

But seriously I think that we were visited by aliens in our ancient history. There are many books on that. I suggest you to read on of Erich Von Daniken books. I don't belive in everything he writes but a lot seems a good proof to me. One of my hobbies is ancient history and I have studied(as a hobby) myths of various cultures as well, and I can say that there is smth in there.

I don't say that I belive in nowaday UFOs. Don't have so much proof as I have for ancient times.

But definitely there is intelligent life somewhere out there.
I'm not talking about a simple cell life or smth like that. It is obvious.
there is even a calculation but I've forgotten that. It stated that there may be about 100 000 advanced civilizations in our universe ?or galaxy? at the present moment. So I find it unlikely us to be the only ones.

An exerpt from an essay I did years ago on why we haven't
detected aliens already:

The aliens are not interested in space travel to alien worlds. They do not want to contaminate a growing civilization.

The aliens have no use for us. They may require alien atmospheres and climates, ie they breath ammonia. One intriguing thought is the idea that aliens live on neutron stars (see the novel Dragonegg and Starquake by Robert Forward). Because they live on neutron stars, there is no possibility at all they could live on a planet like Earth. Ordinary matter to them would be like a fog; their bodies could slice through the hardest of diamonds with the greatest of ease. Living on worlds less than millions of gravities would be impossible for them.

Aliens species would only come to us on antimatter-powered spacecraft, that serves as the seed ship for colonization. No alien would undertake a trip across the stars casually because of the energy and time required for such a journey. The energy required for an interstellar journey is 10^17 kwh. Compare that to the energy produced in an entire year on our planet now -- 10^13 kwh. Furthermore, the time is an issue. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. All interstellar journeys would take years. The time can be reduced somewhat by time dilation, the slowing of time when something is travelling close to the speed of light. Unfortunately, our bodies can only take so many g- forces, so there is a limit to how fast we can accelerate to the speed of light. An interstellar journey could take less than a year, but our bodies could not stand the stresses required to make it in less than a day.

Perhaps the aliens are already here, but have taken steps to remain undetectable by our technology. Advanced cultures, capable of making interstellar journeys, ought to have advanced nanotechnology. Intelligent nanorobots, trillions of them, as small as bacteria or even viruses, could be monitoring every aspect of our world -- our bodies, our culture, our languages etc, without our even knowing it. These nanorobots would know enough to move out of the view of electron microscopes or anything else that could potentially detect them. The same goes for the aliens' base of operation, well hidden on some moon, asteroid or spacecraft. Why would aliens bother in doing autopsies and abductions or even landing on the planet, when they can do it secretly, and receive a horrendous quantity of information to boot? And when they do decide to reveal themselves, they will have enough information to perform first contact gracefully.

Full text is at:
http://users.efni.com/~brentt/tourist/article0.htm

Human intelligence is one of the lower forms of intelligence in the universe. It is a solitary form of consciousness. The universal mind is the arena in which the human mind operates. A bigger venue working in such complex manners that the inhabitant cannot even comprehend the proximity of its form.

Life and intelligence is everywhere. It is what the world is made of :)

Originally posted by avatar
...there is even a calculation but I've forgotten that. It stated that there may be about 100 000 advanced civilizations in our universe ?or galaxy? at the present moment. So I find it unlikely us to be the only ones.

Avatar,

I agree. The equation you are referring to is known as the Drake Equation. Here is an intersting link that describes the Drake equation.

http://www.seti-inst.edu/science/drake-bg.html

Carl Sagan Explains the Drake equation and other topics about life in the uniiverse in great detail in Cosmos. Read It it is great



That there is an intelligent life in the universe, best proves the fact that no one has ever tried to contact us

hehe, i got to remember that avatar. Nice one. Oh, you remined me of something I will put in my signature:

"....And it is hardly out of the question the we might destroy ourselfs tomarrow." Carl Sagan

How you know for sure no Alien has ever contacted a huma being.
There are humans who have contacts with Beings from the Spheres.
You should read Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts.
I mean it, I highly recommend it to you.
Read it if you can and let me know please.

No visible Aliens, something about the Light-Beings from the Spheres and the contacts here on Earth and how it is, the Cosmos.:)

I forgot something very important.
The Whales and Dolphins and more of these Sea Rulers have a higher IQ then humans have.
In fact it should be better for the world if they could rule the countries.

And I disspice the countries who capture them. I hate those countries. There you can see how low minded a human is, to capture and kill these great Rulers of the Seas.:confused:

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Originally posted by Pkunk


im pretty sure thats to adapt to the light condiditions of northern china.

Indigeouns australian's have very "thick" brows which kinda act like sun shades

kinda the reverse of asian people

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Been a while since I read this, but one theory involves the intensity of the light being reflected off of glaciers during a prolonged ice age, which caused early mongoloids to squint...perpetually, I suppose.

Supporting this was a story about how Eskimos came to fabricate slit "sunglasses" (out of bone/tusk ivory?) to cut the glare while out and about on the snow and ice.

Makes sense to me.

A nice theory.
But only a theory, for nothing is known for sure about the Galaxy although scientists think they know it all so well, the only things they have really are theories, no proof.
No single real proof.

And a lot here on Earth is still a secret to humans. What lives in the Oceans is not known for a long time, they discover new life in the strangest, dark and cold water the last years. Life forms nobody knew about and what they just recently have discovered.
So maybe the explorers nowadays can better stay with their feet on Earth in stead of guessing what is going on in Space.:rolleyes:

No visible Aliens
This is interesting. If there are aliens coming to earth we should be able to detect it since NASA is constantly tracking small objects in space, an alien spaceship should be very easy to detect. But of course if they have something can be stop them from been detected using RADAR, or invisible, then we can't really tell.

Exactly Hevene.
Aliens who look down on this Planet only see a fighting, destructive life form with a certain intelligence here.
They know better then to just show up letting this hostile humans know they are here.
If they do, NASA will first shoot and later ask questions if possible after shooting.
Because NASA shall think it will be an Alien invasion and start at once the defence with shooting a spacecraft out of the air to examine it first with its inhabitants.
They rather do tests on Aliens then talk to them I guess, for they will be afraid of them in the first place.
Everything unknown to NASA, especially from outerspace is a treat to humans they think. So, first shoot them and cut them to peaces to look how they are 'made'.

If you were in a spacecraft, looking down on this Planet with all its destruction, wars and pollution, should you want to show yourself or even think about landing here on Earth?;)

If i was in a space craft looking down on earth hell no i would not want to land,i would turn it around and leave (QUICK):rolleyes:

Yes, exactly.
Me too, turn around and fly back home to my own Planet, haha.

But I mean it serious, wish I could.:mad:

It depends where you look.

I'd head for Aruba. Or one of those deserted Islands in the South Pacific.

Well, Aruba belongs to the the Netherlands Antills and the weather is great, the humans are very friendly but it is a pooor Island.

And then, was this thread not about intelligence amongst us humans?

I stay by my statement that the Great Rulers of the Seas are the most intelligent Beings on Earth. They live so wonderful in harmony together.
No picking at eachother, they help eachother and wait for the ones who are wandered off.

If humans should behave like that, it would be a whole different world.:confused:

Us human wasn't a very intelligent being, think about the wars and the pollutions. We should think about ourself on a larger scale, we are living on the same planet, no matter what are nationalities are, we are one. If we keeps on doing thinks like now, who knows how soon our planet will be destoryed.

Hevene, that is what the message is about.
Earth is tortured for much too long and reaches its end with the the human race.

Just because of the badly damaged Ecosphere and the main reason, the holy wars which are going on for ages now.
Because humans like to invent the most evil things to kill eachother it gets worse and worse every day.
This is not lasting very long now no.
The end is coming. Humans came crawling out of the Seas as last, far after the other living species, so what arrogance to think we are the most intelligent species on Earth.

If the human race is so intelligent, why do they destroy everything and kill eachother and bring hurt to other humans feelings.
Not to speak of all the damage they have brought to Earth.:mad:

I was just thinking, when we train tigers, they becomes reasonable, but when they see blood, they become wild again. May be human are like that, too. We evolved for year, but we still have that wild side to us. That could be the reason why we still have wars, or having the intension to do bad things. So that we haven't really evolved to be the true intelligence. But another question rises, what is considered to be a true intelligence.

Tigers are nearly wiped away from Earth by humans. They know better then to trust humans nowadays and the few of them who are left, hide themselves well. That is rather intelligent.
Tigers have never been meant to 'work' in circussis and carnivals, nor have they be locked up in cages in the zoo.
Humans always do this with beautiful creatures which exist in Nature and then they want the animal to do what humans want them to do. Not so strange they will attack at a certain moment, for they are haunted by humans for their skin too. There are very less Tigers left and I can get very angry about this. The arrogance of the human race to wipe out a beautiful inhabitant of Nature, as they did with lots of other beautiful inhabitants of Nature...

Ridiculous!!:mad:

I wonder if the human race really is that intelligent. They messed up whole Earth, Nature and the Ecosphere very bad with their d**n (holy) wars, destruction, pollution and hatefulness towards eachother in daily life.

Look in your surrounding how unfriendly and paranoid humans react towards eachother. They have brought so much hurt to eachothers feelings, they grow bitter and sour.
Some humans don't even say 'Hello' back when you say 'Hello'.
:rolleyes:

If that really is intelligence, then I guess the human race is not the most intelligent on this Planet, they don't act that way.
I stay with my statement that the Great Rulers of the Seas are more intelligent.
About them there is a lot still unknown and that is rather peculiar because the human race does everything to find it out.

And in some countries the humans don't have intelligence at all, for they kill these beautiful, peaceful creatures of the Seas, totally unnecessary.:confused:

Humans and their so called intelligence.....I should have laughed about it if it wasn't so sad....