Yes, no, not yet, never or maybe and why. Are we just "like" gods as the bible says?

What's a God? I think the meaning of Jesus' statement is that systems of ranking that place the Godhead on top and people on the bottom are outdated, but his true teachings never really caught on.

there is no "god". there is only life. some life may be very advanced, but still just life.

Maybe pointless, maybe not:

DOG: Humans! They feed me, keep water in my dish, give me a warm place to sleep, pet me, take care of me, they must be gods!

CAT: Humans! They feed me, keep water in my dish, give me a warm place to sleep, pet me, take care of me, I must be a god!

I suppose it's all in perspective.

nice one =]

Damn suffering

A god is any lifeform that faces suffering and death. I guess theres a god hierachy ranking system? Ner i'm a higher god than you in these areas ner. Just to be life is to be a god. There is only life. Man the universe is big, anyone notice that? Damn so when you die you die. Whats the friggin point of living? Anyone got the answer? I'm going to try and not die. Thats one point of living. Damn i'm going to die. We're so primitive that we die. Oi your primitive. Death and suffering are wrong things. It should be taught that death and suffering won't be around forever. The nature of them promotes this belief to me. God damn things move so slowly. Why the hell is everybody taking it up the ass with death and suffering. Who the hells going to stand against it. Noone is. Wheres the concentrated effort of the entire planet. Everyones just kicking back. Lazy asses. Why is everyone so distracted by other stuff when this is so damn important to solve right now. People are so damn accepting of death and suffering. Why is everyone so accepting of them. Wheres all the bitching and moaning about them. There should be concentrated long term never ending bitching and moaning in front of everyone about death and suffering.

if noone died do you see that ther'd be no space, no food, no water, and life would BEsuffering for ALL, including all species etc?

pfft the universe is infinite what you mean run out of space. By the time there is eternal life food and water will not be a problem technology would of taken care of that a long time ago. So if theres no god then heaven is where you get brought back to life by the people of the future. Everyone always wants to fight against eternal life go figure.

pfft the universe is infinite what you mean run out of space.

me))on Earth...? what, so you include instant space exploration craft?

By the time there is eternal life food and water will not be a problem technology would of taken care of that a long time ago. So if theres no god then heaven is where you get brought back to life by the people of the future. Everyone always wants to fight against eternal life go figure.

wouldn't you err, get BORED?

Yeah me mum, she says "wouldn't you err get bored". Being bored wouldn't hurt because theres no more pain. Errr sometimes I amuse myself by being bored? Errr no you won't get bored. Maybe if you got really bored you'd consider suicide but then you'd remember that you can't die which would then make you remember that your bored so you'd feel even more bored then you'd consider suicide again only to remember that you can't die. You could carry on like this for a while. Shhesssee no you won't get bored Duendy.

Boredom could be said to be part of deaths sting, no death no boredom.

Boredom could be said to be part of deaths sting, no death no boredom.
'no death no err boredom err'?? that dont make sense to me
as i sees it, teenagers is always saying 'ohhhh, i am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bored'---now. imagine if they stuck at that phase. wpouldn't the bordeom desTROY them?? whereas, life changes. C H A N G E

well?

A god is any lifeform that faces suffering and death. I guess theres a god hierachy ranking system? Ner i'm a higher god than you in these areas ner. Just to be life is to be a god. There is only life. Man the universe is big, anyone notice that? Damn so when you die you die. Whats the friggin point of living? Anyone got the answer? I'm going to try and not die. Thats one point of living. Damn i'm going to die. We're so primitive that we die. Oi your primitive. Death and suffering are wrong things. It should be taught that death and suffering won't be around forever. The nature of them promotes this belief to me. God damn things move so slowly. Why the hell is everybody taking it up the ass with death and suffering. Who the hells going to stand against it. Noone is. Wheres the concentrated effort of the entire planet. Everyones just kicking back. Lazy asses. Why is everyone so distracted by other stuff when this is so damn important to solve right now. People are so damn accepting of death and suffering. Why is everyone so accepting of them. Wheres all the bitching and moaning about them. There should be concentrated long term never ending bitching and moaning in front of everyone about death and suffering.






i wouldent say it would be wise to suddenly have the whole nation bitching about death,

your lucky to be alive in the first place, if you bitch about life so much how can you enjoy any of its wonders, think how fucking miraculous it is for any of us to be here right now. the chances of it? many changes int he past would have caused all of us never to have existed, even down to someone not choosing to be friends with anouther person, or a bus you missed,
what if you didnt reach the egg. we are damn lucky to be here, so suck it up and try to be happy and make others around you happy,

bitching is for bitches, so dont be a bitch, everyone who posts her eon the forum is damn lucky :), so just consider that when you next think life is meaningless, it has meaning if it means something to someone, thats the meaning of meaning, that life means something to you, its the meaning of life.


peace.

Duendy i'd rather be bored and not able to die than happy and still be able to die.

Mr Emptyforce your saying we should all shut up about death and take it?

The meaning of life is to not die and not suffer. I'm saying that I believe suffering and death won't be around forever, but i'm also saying that they can be gone a hell of a lot sooner than the current schedule. More proactiveness. When i say bitching and moaning im saying f***ing hurry the process up by whatever and all means that will achieve that goal.

"Bitching is for bitchs, so don't be a bitch". Yep. I'm gunna sit back and say death will always be and I welcome it and not fight it even a little. When I say bitching I mean stand the fuck up and fight.

People who are suffering kinda can't enjoy the wonders or the subtletlys of life. It's all about the suffering. Suffering is wrong. Death is wrong. I'm against things that are wrong.

To be alive is the meaning of life. When your suffering your not really alive anymore I mean you are but your not. Oi your primitive.

hHaha...what if i wus to say that the whole signIFicance of your rounded little life is due to D E A T H...?

that you canny have one without the oter. tis is what you are doing:
you are thinking 'life'---'oh i LOVE it 'grrrrr, nazsty 'death', i HATE it!'

witOUT realizing that you have abstracted out extremes from a continuous PROCESS. it's like saying 'ohhh, i LOVE down, i dont want up'

So your saying duendy that I should shut up about death and take it as well?

So your saying duendy that I should shut up about death and take it as well?
no, i'm not telling you to shut up about anything....its grreat to explore, ask questions. if you don explore you dont find and continue etc. theres no end to it

but see that you canny have life without death nor death without life. it jest doesn't make sense. its like to try having 'dry' witout 'wet'. how would u KNOWdry lessen you knew wet. see what i mean?

I'm saying just cause theres death and suffering at the moment doesn't mean that it's always going to be. We've known death for long enough now. Death is not indestructable. Saying that you canny have life without death is argueing for the case of death and that it should always be. Everyone needs to play a part. Rise the fuck up.

I'm saying just cause theres death and suffering at the moment doesn't mean that it's always going to be. We've known death for long enough now. Death is not indestructable. Saying that you canny have life without death is argueing for the case of death and that it should always be. Everyone needs to play a part. Rise the fuck up.
ye just not gettin what i mean.
look, play with tis mind experiemnt. try and imagine ONLY light. or only dark. just try andimagine one or the other. imagine a void or whatever that is ONLY LIGHT. or ONLY DARK

now in either which ever one you've chosen)--how could you KNOW the other, dark orlight, WITHOUT knowing its orher extreme which let's you KNOWwhat teother is? do you get me. you HEED to know its complimentary to even KNOW what it is!!!!!!!!!!

Death needs the concentrated effort of everyone on the planet. It's asking for it. Not just doctors.

Death needs the concentrated effort of everyone on the planet. It's asking for it. Not just doctors.
and patriarchs . THE patiarchal dream is to defeat death...there, now u kno!

:rolleyes: I love Duendys. It was love at first site for me.

ok so now we know what it is can we get rid of it?

I'm not very bright. If death is the compliment of life then how bout replacing death and complimenting life with more life. Death aint gunna be round forever its a givein surely. I'm just saying that it can be gone alot sooner than whats currently going on. Synchronise thoughts.

I'm not very bright. If death is the compliment of life then how bout replacing death and complimenting life with more life. Death aint gunna be round forever its a givein surely. I'm just saying that it can be gone alot sooner than whats currently going on. Synchronise thoughts.
Death is a wonder, death is a friend. foooor without it we wouldn't have life.....

Duendy there never has been death.

Duendy there never has been death.
how DO u mean??

Sorta like if everyone and everything that has ever died gets brought back to life and can't die again then there never has been death. Sorta. Err time travel. Ya travel back to before they died? Things like this.

Take ya pick

of what?
as for time travel....right you go back yeah and kill ya mamma. whats that mean?

There is only one truth. God.

f you Don't Die, then Wouldn't you become out dated? Evolution Shows Change through the process of time and renewal. I think the Belief in a "god" is misunderstood. We Believe in it the way we 'beleived' in our Parent for protection when we' were younger... Instead what if God is the 'Process' of Living and Dying and Renewal. both Bad and Good. Both Pain and Pleasure. I think we DO live on Forever, just not in the same form and Body. So God exists Like Motion exists, and Processes Exist. Magnetism Exists.. Like Tesla's Jacobs ladder... the Energy that Rises up. So If god is a process, and our Minds are the Same Process then God is nothing more then an Advanced Process of us, an elder entity. Through "Common Sense" and "instinct" We are Taught by the elder entity like a blueprint of when that entity was here... And tho it is no longer Physically Here in a way we can use our senses to detect it, we still act out on the blue prints of "common sense" and "Instinct" To guide us through the best it can. So Maybe the Question isn't Does God exist rather Where god exists and how we interpret god as well as how we interpret our selves. There are many Dimensions. Dimensions Of Energy, dimensions of mass and matter. Dimensions of thought. Dimensions of Color and light. Some where within those many Dimensions exists an elder or one who came before just like us. Maybe God exists in the Simple dimension of "Belief" and if you don't believe in a god, that Doesn't mean one doesn't exist for another person. So "is there a god" is a Question only one can ask ones self. I think. But there is obviousness' in the things we can not see, like "instinct", that Truly Do Directs us as a species. And It Came From Some where. We also know that things can Break apart and be built into something else. Nothing Ever really "disappears" It just changes... Chances are we could be in More contact with a "God" then we ever thought we were. There are many unexplained things and I think there are many Unexplainable things... Maybe we Don't get to know about "god" the way we want to because we may not Like what we Find out as a Physical body. Think of it like a Child Expected to find fun in just sitting down having a conversation with a peer over coffee. The Caffeine would wire the heck out of them, and chances are they will find some "contact" game with each other that doesn't involve sitting still. Their bodies aren't made to be stagnant at that age. Then we take this child, with it's child like mind set, and tell the child to work. The Child is Still a child. There is No Experience in the child to settle down yet. To not explore. And Of course there's a Height difference, a Chemical difference. So the child is not READY for those responsibilities. So Maybe, in Death we are Birthed into a different kind of entity. A Kind Of Evolution. If we found out about it now, when we aren't "ready" for it, then it wouldn't be appealing at all. oh.. But that's Dying, and not god.. on the other hand many believe we meet god WHEN We die... No Matter who is out there, or what happens, one thing is for sure, though our bodies may decay and the electrodes will have Dispersed we will still "be here" just in a different form. I think theres a lot more to it than what we think we know. All "children" think they know every thing, and they Fear what ever they do not know. But Im thinking that Dying is alright because, every one does it and we havn't stoped it from happening. :) just a thought... :)

Duendy that your a criminal and youll go to jail. Those life sentences will be a bummer when you live forever. I could arrest you before you commited the crime?

I don't know the answers really but I will state that there is absolutly noway that the human race will not reach eternal life but that it can be done sooner than whats going on at the moment. It's only that it's percieved to be not possible in our lifetimes that noones interested.

f you Don't Die, then Wouldn't you become out dated? Evolution Shows Change through the process of time and renewal. I think the Belief in a "god" is misunderstood. We Believe in it the way we 'beleived' in our Parent for protection when we' were younger... Instead what if God is the 'Process' of Living and Dying and Renewal. both Bad and Good. Both Pain and Pleasure. I think we DO live on Forever, just not in the same form and Body. So God exists Like Motion exists, and Processes Exist. Magnetism Exists.. Like Tesla's Jacobs ladder... the Energy that Rises up. So If god is a process, and our Minds are the Same Process then God is nothing more then an Advanced Process of us, an elder entity. Through "Common Sense" and "instinct" We are Taught by the elder entity like a blueprint of when that entity was here... And tho it is no longer Physically Here in a way we can use our senses to detect it, we still act out on the blue prints of "common sense" and "Instinct" To guide us through the best it can. So Maybe the Question isn't Does God exist rather Where god exists and how we interpret god as well as how we interpret our selves. There are many Dimensions. Dimensions Of Energy, dimensions of mass and matter. Dimensions of thought. Dimensions of Color and light. Some where within those many Dimensions exists an elder or one who came before just like us. Maybe God exists in the Simple dimension of "Belief" and if you don't believe in a god, that Doesn't mean one doesn't exist for another person. So "is there a god" is a Question only one can ask ones self. I think. But there is obviousness' in the things we can not see, like "instinct", that Truly Do Directs us as a species. And It Came From Some where. We also know that things can Break apart and be built into something else. Nothing Ever really "disappears" It just changes... Chances are we could be in More contact with a "God" then we ever thought we were. There are many unexplained things and I think there are many Unexplainable things... Maybe we Don't get to know about "god" the way we want to because we may not Like what we Find out as a Physical body. Think of it like a Child Expected to find fun in just sitting down having a conversation with a peer over coffee. The Caffeine would wire the heck out of them, and chances are they will find some "contact" game with each other that doesn't involve sitting still. Their bodies aren't made to be stagnant at that age. Then we take this child, with it's child like mind set, and tell the child to work. The Child is Still a child. There is No Experience in the child to settle down yet. To not explore. And Of course there's a Height difference, a Chemical difference. So the child is not READY for those responsibilities. So Maybe, in Death we are Birthed into a different kind of entity. A Kind Of Evolution. If we found out about it now, when we aren't "ready" for it, then it wouldn't be appealing at all. oh.. But that's Dying, and not god.. on the other hand many believe we meet god WHEN We die... No Matter who is out there, or what happens, one thing is for sure, though our bodies may decay and the electrodes will have Dispersed we will still "be here" just in a different form. I think theres a lot more to it than what we think we know. All "children" think they know every thing, and they Fear what ever they do not know. But Im thinking that Dying is alright because, every one does it and we havn't stoped it from happening. :) just a thought... :)
HI, welcome...'just a thought' maybe, but realy creative!...i would swap 'God' for 'Goddess' cause whatyou describe---ie the process actually being 'God' is really more what prepatriarchal and many Indigenous peoples believe
it's the patriarchal mindset with its he-God concept which splits 'life' from 'death', and 'spirit' from Nature

Rage Rage Rage

Doearth

Can I ask you LeeDa. what do you fear most

youself dying, or losing someone you love?

I don't have much of a conscious so it wouldn't hurt to much to have people die around me. When it came down to it i'd be really scared about dieing but im not so afraid of it under normal circumstances. I'd prolly say that losing someone else would be more scary. I fear suffering and pain more than death. Damn I suffer alot.

I don't have much of a conscious so it wouldn't hurt to much to have people die around me. When it came down to it i'd be really scared about dieing but im not so afraid of it under normal circumstances. I'd prolly say that losing someone else would be more scary. I fear suffering and pain more than death. Damn I suffer alot.
what, with psychological pain, physical, both?

yeah both i reckon but they say its all in my head.

When we look down upon the earth, ourselves and materials there is mostly concord about what exists.

When we look up towards god(s), spirits and parapsycology there seems to be as many opinions as there are observers.

If you want to know a lot about the other person, ask them if there are gods or ask if we are gods.

yeah both i reckon but they say its all in my head.
who are 'they'?

Soare we gods or godlike?

Doctor one.

and what dos doc 1 says u have in the head?

depression

depression
well. in some other threads at tese forums i have tried to expose that scam

what scam?

the scam where the doc & mental health movement pretend that -backed up by science-people have biological illneses like 'depression'- etc. it is bogus

this isn't to say you DONT feel unhappy. just that what you feel is not a disease

Yes. I am God.

Yes, no, not yet, never or maybe and why. Are we just "like" gods as the bible says?

As the great Arthur C. Clarke wrote....

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

-- Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
There is no doubt that with the aid of our technology we would appear as gods to people from Biblical times, just as the technology of advanced extraterrestrial civilizations would appear as magic to us.<P>

Oh, and by the way LeeDa, please don’t listen to a single word from duendy. She is an anti-medical establishment conspiracy theorist nutball. Her wacko beliefs are dangerous. Listen to your doctor. If you don’t like what you hear, get a second opinion. <P>

What the hell is a god? Information we do not yet possess or able to understand. Probly.

Oh, and by the way LeeDa, please don’t listen to a single word from duendy. She is an anti-medical establishment conspiracy theorist nutball. Her wacko beliefs are dangerous. Listen to your doctor. If you don’t like what you hear, get a second opinion. <P>


I would think ALL information, including that from Duendy, is helpfull to give a picture of a Situation.
one should always check all sides before a dession's made, Even If they are "off" theories For other people.

Quite frankly no-one can be a God (in reality) without breaking a whole lot of rules against everyone "Equal Rights". I pondered the whole theological question for a while about if a diety could of existed, I built methods in my mind for sculpturing the universe, and creating an afterlife, created answers for all oddities that are unexplained, however my overall outcome was in my mind I control the rules, in the world however I am bound by rules and such rules have a detrimental effect on what can be achieved.

Afterall some of the things that could be built in my mind required people to realise the overall goal for them to be achieved, however for people to realise a goal in reality it means not just being interested but commiting themselves to it and even in that sense it undermines certain "Equal Rights" by asking people to do what you ask.

For instance the creation of an Afterlife would cause problems in the sense that people might start suiciding just to get into a "better way of life". This means banning those that suicided, and those that have done horrific acts in life, but then what do you do with those that aren't in your "Eden"? People would be upset if even those Murders, Rapists and suiciders were left out, although they wouldn't want them being in their Heaven. Which would obviously mean you would have to create some other place for them, perhaps to make them realise the nature of their crimes.

Of course the problem then was what gives you the right to choose who comes into your little system and who stays out to be lost into oblivion, which then causes potential monopoly concerns like large conglomorates generating different variants of Afterlife. Which in turn causes other concerns, for instance such conglomorates obviously run with the use of money, and should their project fail it would potentially mean bankruptcy and even the closure of their project, which in turn means all those people would be robbed of their "Souls".

Another point is inside such an "Artificial Reality" who owns your Intellectual property, because afterall you could still be inventive far past your bodies years. Would friends and family be granted rights to the Intellectual property, or some Money hungry conglomorate eat it up, turning the Dead into a slave trade.

Admittedly these thoughts I pondered to eventually write a work of fiction, but I just haven't got around to it, Perhaps I should E-mail Dan Brown.

P. K . Dick I'm sure once said something that when a little like this, writers build Utopian universes to make stories. However it's not the Utopia that makes the story, it's the Utopian universes slowly decaying by Nihilism that make the stories.

However this said, we can all be gods of our own illusions.

heh, that's a good one. 'we can all be gods of our own illusions'
;oads of us are i'm sure
from what i have dug, those who claim to be gods or follow bliefs that say same, are guilty about their naturalness, and want out of Nature, an/or wanna control people and Nature

examples?

if you qere to do some research about te Illuminati and thier Luciferian philosophy, you see they take the Geneis tale and interpret it to mean he 'Serpent' defied 'God' and sad humans could be 'gods'----so see. ths elite--if you believe tey exist--with thier vast power and fortunes believe they are gods or can become them. and hey presto, te rest of us becomes teiii 'creatures'. convenient. this....behaviour, rminds me of the Mdonna syndrome, ie., the singer. she is from a gang of stars that choose rligious beliefs that affirm their money and power. makes em feel at ease wit it. for M its her version of Kabbla. for Cruise its Scientology. of course the RULES will be different for tem

ten we got the Eastern version of being 'god'--like te gurus, etc. here it is same. ashamed of bodily needs, appetites, and desire o join 'eternal bliss'

also in Christian religion we have te idea of getting close to te 'son of God' and eternal heaven and so on

in secualr world we have the mscientist acting like 'God'. takin over food--GM, tryin to prlong life, manipulate Nature, make tings more 'perfect'...etcv etc etc

so i am really weary of this desire to be a god. i can appreciate rather a continum were you an ecstasize and feel ever deeper and expansive, ad like possessed by a greaeter power/god or what have you....but also we are oter shit too. we HAVE to keep earthed

Whats the word for when scientists come up with complete evidence that god doesn't exsist.

Whats the word for when scientists come up with complete evidence that god doesn't exsist.
depends what you mean by 'god'
if you man literalist god, then it is knowledge
if it is the actual ddeeper part of us in interelationship with Nature, it is complete-ignoreance

hell

Actually I thought the definition of hell was repetition, and currently since theology is always debated and never answered, thats where Hell would be in the repetition of those debates.

Actually I thought the definition of hell was repetition, and currently since theology is always debated and never answered, thats where Hell would be in the repetition of those debates.
who said 'the definition of hell is repetition'?---yes it can INCLUDE that. imagine the coneyor belt hell of industrialization....but hell can include other shit that is novel too. for example would you not class monastary living as repaetative, yet thats considered so religious and pure isn't it. or Buddhist meditation, aint that repetative. sitting endless hours in one spot..???

the 'repetative' dialogues you refer to here at sciforums is usually people not gettin it. so one has to -keep hammering it in. but one could also see going on abot someting, i consider, fruitful, as being poetical----a labyrinthian way of finding ones way out of the mire of materialistic hell, if u were. of a mechanical world with people who imagine themselves robots and do not understand feeling

i dont knwo about the rest of you guys, but i would consider myself quite godly yes.



peace.

i dont knwo about the rest of you guys, but i would consider myself quite godly yes.



peace.
ohhh, we knowww (rolls everythin)

Now now now

Now now now

However you read is fine.

Make a stand against death today.

Make a stand against death today.
ohh u sound like a broken record.

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i have a limitless imagination, i have the power to take away life as i choose, i have the power to create life as i choose,

i have the power to overcome any emotion, i not only live by nature, i have the power to go against nature and confront it in battle,

i have the power to harness the elements, i have the power to see into the cosmos and universe with my far seeing eyes, and i can see even further in my mind,


i am the bringer of death,
i am the creator of life,
i have the power to do good,
i have the power to do evil,
i control the world,

i am godlike,

i am human,

peace.

i have a limitless imagination, i have the power to take away life as i choose, i have the power to create life as i choose,

i have the power to overcome any emotion, i not only live by nature, i have the power to go against nature and confront it in battle,

i have the power to harness the elements, i have the power to see into the cosmos and universe with my far seeing eyes, and i can see even further in my mind,


i am the bringer of death,
i am the creator of life,
i have the power to do good,
i have the power to do evil,
i control the world,

i am godlike,

i am human,

peace.

(rolls everything)

was anything i said not true?


peace.

No we are NOT Gods, the definition of God is ominpotent superior supernatural being, we do not fulfill that criteria. Get your ego's under control.

what definition, alot of cultures have different meanings for different gods,

how is the greek messenger god omnipotent, or omni anything.

but answer me this, my post above where is anything that i said not true?

if i want to think im a god then so be it, just because your a mortal,


peace.

what definition, alot of cultures have different meanings for different gods,

how is the greek messenger god omnipotent, or omni anything.

but answer me this, my post above where is anything that i said not true?

if i want to think im a god then so be it, just because your a mortal,


peace.
well err what you mean YOu create, and YOU control the world?
tis whole idea of 'we are gods' is an extrmely dangerous one when it becomes a static understanding.....for example, if you care to explore Luciferian philosophy, which the Illuminati are supposed to fllow. THEy believe in the Garden myth in Genesis literally. they believe 'Stan' is saying that they--the elite, mind--are 'gods'. and some say that tis attitude now is wanting to very MUC control Nature, the world. global domination. so a myth not understood is a vert dangerous ting

now when you compare tat shit with te pagan understanding. and by 'pagan' i mean earth-CENTRED paganism. for example te pre-Orphic Dionysians would take a psychedelic sacrament which they believed WAS Dionysos, the god of Nature. and tat when they ingested hir they beCAME hir--ie gos. but this was much different tthan tepatriarhcal notion, because the pgan insight was CELEBRATION of organism, and Nature and an openesss, not a control. and te experience was accepted as prt of a continuum, where yes, you can experience a sense of god-like ecstatic expansion, but other states one 'comes down' to are ALSO sacred. see what i mean??

well err what you mean YOu create, and YOU control the world?
tis whole idea of 'we are gods' is an extrmely dangerous one when it becomes a static understanding.....for example, if you care to explore Luciferian philosophy, which the Illuminati are supposed to fllow. THEy believe in the Garden myth in Genesis literally. they believe 'Stan' is saying that they--the elite, mind--are 'gods'. and some say that tis attitude now is wanting to very MUC control Nature, the world. global domination. so a myth not understood is a vert dangerous ting

now when you compare tat shit with te pagan understanding. and by 'pagan' i mean earth-CENTRED paganism. for example te pre-Orphic Dionysians would take a psychedelic sacrament which they believed WAS Dionysos, the god of Nature. and tat when they ingested hir they beCAME hir--ie gos. but this was much different tthan tepatriarhcal notion, because the pgan insight was CELEBRATION of organism, and Nature and an openesss, not a control. and te experience was accepted as prt of a continuum, where yes, you can experience a sense of god-like ecstatic expansion, but other states one 'comes down' to are ALSO sacred. see what i mean??


i didnt say i control the world alone, i said humans do,

not all gods control the world, why does everybody jump tot he christian definition of god when it is spoken?


there are more gods than the christian god you know :), lesser gods in mythology, egyption religion and eastern. what about native american gods?


i have the power to create life, (this is true)
i have the power to bring death (this is true)
i can harness the elements (this is true)
i can create anything in my mind (this is true)
i can call the animals and communicate with them, (this is true)
i can bring peace (this is true)
i can bring war (this is true)



that to me is quite godly.


peace.

what definition, alot of cultures have different meanings for different gods,

how is the greek messenger god omnipotent, or omni anything.

but answer me this, my post above where is anything that i said not true?

if i want to think im a god then so be it, just because your a mortal,


peace.

:m:

peace.

Chi you are not a 'God' and if you were, then we all are and so you'd still be a small fish in a big pond, with a bigger fish out there somewhere, so really immaterial yes?

f you Don't Die, then Wouldn't you become out dated? Evolution Shows Change through the process of time and renewal. I think the Belief in a "god" is misunderstood. We Believe in it the way we 'beleived' in our Parent for protection when we' were younger... Instead what if God is the 'Process' of Living and Dying and Renewal. both Bad and Good. Both Pain and Pleasure. I think we DO live on Forever, just not in the same form and Body. So God exists Like Motion exists, and Processes Exist. Magnetism Exists.. Like Tesla's Jacobs ladder... the Energy that Rises up. So If god is a process, and our Minds are the Same Process then God is nothing more then an Advanced Process of us, an elder entity. Through "Common Sense" and "instinct" We are Taught by the elder entity like a blueprint of when that entity was here... And tho it is no longer Physically Here in a way we can use our senses to detect it, we still act out on the blue prints of "common sense" and "Instinct" To guide us through the best it can. So Maybe the Question isn't Does God exist rather Where god exists and how we interpret god as well as how we interpret our selves. There are many Dimensions. Dimensions Of Energy, dimensions of mass and matter. Dimensions of thought. Dimensions of Color and light. Some where within those many Dimensions exists an elder or one who came before just like us. Maybe God exists in the Simple dimension of "Belief" and if you don't believe in a god, that Doesn't mean one doesn't exist for another person. So "is there a god" is a Question only one can ask ones self. I think. But there is obviousness' in the things we can not see, like "instinct", that Truly Do Directs us as a species. And It Came From Some where. We also know that things can Break apart and be built into something else. Nothing Ever really "disappears" It just changes... Chances are we could be in More contact with a "God" then we ever thought we were. There are many unexplained things and I think there are many Unexplainable things... Maybe we Don't get to know about "god" the way we want to because we may not Like what we Find out as a Physical body. Think of it like a Child Expected to find fun in just sitting down having a conversation with a peer over coffee. The Caffeine would wire the heck out of them, and chances are they will find some "contact" game with each other that doesn't involve sitting still. Their bodies aren't made to be stagnant at that age. Then we take this child, with it's child like mind set, and tell the child to work. The Child is Still a child. There is No Experience in the child to settle down yet. To not explore. And Of course there's a Height difference, a Chemical difference. So the child is not READY for those responsibilities. So Maybe, in Death we are Birthed into a different kind of entity. A Kind Of Evolution. If we found out about it now, when we aren't "ready" for it, then it wouldn't be appealing at all. oh.. But that's Dying, and not god.. on the other hand many believe we meet god WHEN We die... No Matter who is out there, or what happens, one thing is for sure, though our bodies may decay and the electrodes will have Dispersed we will still "be here" just in a different form. I think theres a lot more to it than what we think we know. All "children" think they know every thing, and they Fear what ever they do not know. But Im thinking that Dying is alright because, every one does it and we havn't stoped it from happening. :) just a thought...
great post :)
I agree with most of what you said, although id add that in this lifetime (as human beings) we can certainly play the god role out to certain extents already. Governments play god with their citizens, parents play god to their children, as a species we practically may as well be gods to the rest of the animal kingdom...
If there is an afterlife in which we achieve a new level of advancement then we might find that life on earth was all about learning responsibility and using power wisely rather than weilding it. We might find that our power games on earth were a stepping stone towards even more bewildering and complex systems that require governing and managing. Ahh i could speculate all day.. :D

great post :)
I agree with most of what you said, although id add that in this lifetime (as human beings) we can certainly play the god role out to certain extents already. Governments play god with their citizens, parents play god to their children, as a species we practically may as well be gods to the rest of the animal kingdom...
If there is an afterlife in which we achieve a new level of advancement then we might find that life on earth was all about learning responsibility and using power wisely rather than weilding it. We might find that our power games on earth were a stepping stone towards even more bewildering and complex systems that require governing and managing. Ahh i could speculate all day.. :D

The very fact you are defining every single being as being a 'God' means we are not! Can't you see that?

The very fact you are defining every single being as being a 'God' means we are not! Can't you see that?
Ever heard of Polytheism? ;) my post shouldnt be taken too literally btw, im just working with the term 'gods' and seeing how it can be applied to humans too.

Bah humbug, ego maniacs the lot of you ;)

Chi you are not a 'God' and if you were, then we all are and so you'd still be a small fish in a big pond, with a bigger fish out there somewhere, so really immaterial yes?


i agree with this,


while still sticking to what i said previously.

humans have god like quality, because the gods you speak of are made by humans, so they have our image inside of all of them,

there is always a bigger fish, and always a bigger lake. ofcourse but that dosent make me or you less godly.

if i were to be a "real" god i would be the god of war and peace, the yin yang split personality god, i would be there preaching the dao and peacefull ways, then suddenly start inflicting terror to all and causing war, then i would fix everything and bring peace back,

the schitzophranic god.



peace.

god is omnipresent.
everyone is gods.
nothing but god exists.
nothing but me (you) exists.

small children often say 'i am the best'. they subconsciously know that they're god. people often tend to think they're more right than everyone else. of course... god is right about everything, but people have fallen into their body, so they've become limited and ignorant.

people have forgotten that they're the invisible and infinite void-mind-life-self-oneness.

we separated from ourselves. god (void) separated itself from its own infinity. nothingness.

consequently, since we think we are a body, we seek unification with our complementary half on material level, with another body, manifesting the opposite pole. this is impossible. infact, trying to unite physically causes more separation, multiplication.

there is only one truth. god.
yes. me.