View Full Version : Are Nazi's cool?


desi
05-04-08, 05:57 PM
They seem to big internet references and topic; hence, I ask the question.

spidergoat
05-04-08, 07:10 PM
They were fascinating, but cool isn't the term I would use.

Mr.Spock
05-04-08, 07:44 PM
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USS Exeter
05-04-08, 08:24 PM
They were fascinating, but cool isn't the term I would use.

They were very interesting, how they could create such an efficint killing machine, but they were far from "cool."

Carcano
05-04-08, 10:02 PM
Being 'cool' in our society means having no values...a human void with a facade of cynical attitude.

As such, the Nazis were decidedly uncool.

spidergoat
05-04-08, 10:06 PM
The killing wasn't all that inventive, but the underground factories, the underwater rocket technology, the counterfeiting operations, the enigma machine, the concrete locomotive (didn't catch on), if they weren't such a group of psychos and fuck-ups they might have accomplished something.

Carcano
05-04-08, 10:35 PM
BTW, its a little known fact that Hitler's acting coach was Jewish.

He's the guy who taught Hitler how to give a dramatic public speech...what words to accent, what to do with your hands and so on.

Prior to this, his public appearances had been a disaster. He was always ignored or shouted down by the drunken louts in the beer halls.

Carcano
05-04-08, 10:39 PM
They did legislate one thing I can appreciate...the banning of kosher slaughtering techniques.

This was a kind of ritualistic killing of livestock that involved cutting the animal's throat and letting it bleed to death while still conscious.

spidergoat
05-04-08, 10:47 PM
They often made use of slave labor. Adolph Gruenbaum was in a concentration camp at the time, so I guess he had nothing better to do.

I just finished "Krueger's Men", about the biggest counterfeiting operation in history. The Nazis used Jewish craftsmen from the camps to create near perfect forgeries of pound notes in huge quantities. They just made a movie about this too.

Carcano
05-04-08, 10:50 PM
The Nazis used Jewish craftsmen from the camps to create near perfect forgeries of pound notes in huge quantities. British pounds? And used them to buy what...and from who?

Were they using this technique to devalue the currency of the enemy, by flooding the market?

spidergoat
05-04-08, 10:57 PM
At first, they were thinking they would drop them on the English countryside in order to devalue the pound and cause economic collapse. In practice, they used them to buy badly needed raw materials and weapons on the black market. They gave them to their foriegn agents to use for bribes, they laundered them for gold, artworks, and jewels (with the help of one unscrupulous Jew). The SS were chronically short of funds.

Some of it was even used later on by the Jewish Agency in Palestine to finance immigration to Palestine, and to buy weapons.

http://www.lawrencemalkin.com/

draqon
05-04-08, 11:09 PM
Tha Nazi movement offered unity and power to its followers...it is easy to follow why Nazi movement has not died yet.

spidergoat
05-04-08, 11:28 PM
...it is easy to follow my Nazi movement...

Hail Dragon! :cool:

draqon
05-04-08, 11:29 PM
Hail Dragon! :cool:

not at all, I despise Nazism.

draqon
05-04-08, 11:30 PM
Hail Dragon! :cool:

OMG....:( I can't believe I made such a mistake

Zephyr
05-05-08, 02:46 AM
They did legislate one thing I can appreciate...the banning of kosher slaughtering techniques.

This was a kind of ritualistic killing of livestock that involved cutting the animal's throat and letting it bleed to death while still conscious.
Kosher slaughter and and Zabihah (Islamic slaughter) both require that. Interestingly this has caused enough controversy for scientists to carry out a study:

A study done by Professor Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "[t]he slaughter in the form of ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to the EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions."[4] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[5] The Muslim Council of Great Britain has stated, regarding Ḏabīḥah slaughter, that "The brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabihah#Animal_rights

spidergoat
05-05-08, 10:05 AM
Yes, compare that to the common method of pneumatic shock where they may later wake up skinned alive...

Asguard
05-05-08, 08:37 PM
what are you talking about spider?

spidergoat
05-05-08, 08:44 PM
Carcano mentioned that a good thing the Nazis did was outlaw kosher slaughtering techniques for animals. I was pointing out that modern techniques, while not as seemingly gruesome, are actually more cruel.

Asguard
05-05-08, 08:47 PM
i will have to dissagree with you there then. I have watched how sheep are slaughtered and although gruesome my A&P knowlage says its quite quick.

They start with a VERY sharp knife and slit the throat including the 2 carroted arteries (which stops the brain getting any O2) and then they break the spinal cord between C2 and C3 (C1 to 2 would be dam near impossable to break) and then cut the head off. At this point the animal is dead and the rest doesnt matter

spidergoat
05-05-08, 08:48 PM
That's pretty much how kosher slaughtering is done. I'm sure cruelty towards animals wasn't the motivation for outlawing kosher butchers. Anything to fuck with the Jews.

Asguard
05-05-08, 08:52 PM
I was always under the assumption that Kosher slit ONE atery and then let the animal bleed out rather than directly disconecting the brain from its sorce of oxygen. Of course im not saying thats wrong as i have herd that sliting your wirsts in a hot bath is aparently a more plesent way to comit suicide as you just pass out and die.

Carcano
05-05-08, 09:58 PM
I dont know how its done today, but when I worked on a cattle ranch as a teenager they used a hand held device with a compressed air hose that fired a steel spike into the animals brain...instant death.

Ive seen footage of a kosher slaughter and the bull does struggle for a minute or two while it bleeds to death.

Spider's right however. The Nazi were less interested interested in animal welfare than making the Jews unwelcome.

iceaura
05-05-08, 11:07 PM
At the time kosher slaughtering technique was specified it was very humane, clean, and civilized by comparison.

As was halal, which is similar.

A guy I used to work for ran a few cattle, and his daughter's husband had Muslim friends from North Africa who were having trouble getting halal beef in Minnesota. They contracted with him, and showed up one day on his farm with the traditional knives and so forth (his description of this scene was pretty entertaining).

At which time they discovered that US beef cattle are about three times the size of the ones they were used to killing, and not nearly as cooperative when being handled by people.

They compromised: he shot it in the head, and they slit its throat quickly before its heart stopped.

Not good enough for the Nazis, of course, who like most sociopathic bullies were petty, mean, and small-minded. And obsessed with paperwork.

Not the normal attributes of "cool".

Mr.Spock
05-05-08, 11:09 PM
so the conclusion is being an animal is cool?

Carcano
05-05-08, 11:14 PM
And obsessed with paperwork.
We know Himmler was at least...even recording the exact time he opened a letter.

The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust...by Heather Pringle is an excellent biography.