What are your opinions on this? Do you think the Grey's exist (I'm sure most of the people here know what I mean by Greys.).

Not the ones claimed by some to be visiting Earth abducting people and mutilating cows.

There may be some out there in the galaxy somewhere, but they almost certainly haven't got to Earth yet, and probably don't know we exist.

I've actually been considering the study of alien visitations for some time. I have interest in doing my own onthespot research at some point.

From what I know the Greys are real, what they are isn't exactly understood unless you've read David Jacobs work. It would seem the Greys aren't actually from another planet, they are the first hybridizing attempt between us and these insect-like beings. The reason they appear humanoid is because they are in part, but not to the extent of the later attempts being made.

So what is the alien species like then? Well from what Jacobs has gathered they are very much the ones controlling the Greys, they also seem to be very hidden in the scope of these experiences. This is logical because my feeling is only a small number of these insectoids would leave their homeworld in order to come visit Earth. What they are seeming to attempt is to keep the ecosystem intact while altering their DNA so they can colonize then control.

It resembles terraforming in that instead of changing the planet they are altering their own genes to survive on this world. It's brilliant, instead of hundreds of years it only takes generations, appearantly from somewhere around the 1890's onward.

I had originally believed these aliens were insect life, but Jacobs has told me although they resemble insects they are probably as far from them as we are from ants. Calling them insects only gives a visual analogy and not an accurate idea of their natures.

I am also not completely certain this is truth, but if abductions are occuring then it's pretty much clear it is. The problem is this... in a society so controlled by media, internet, can we ever be sure of anything, especially something alien?

Keep your eyes open people, it's unusual if it is happening that's for sure!

Where does this David Jacobs get his information from?

What are your opinions on this? Do you think the Grey's exist (I'm sure most of the people here know what I mean by Greys.).


Yes. They exist. I am a believer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/GreySealBottling.jpg

"Are Greys real? "

Simply "no!"

apparently everyone misses the "Grey Seal" pun.

As for an alien entity called "Grey", well once upon a time they were in popular science-fiction refered to as green men. Perhaps someone watched one of those B-Movie films on the Television back then and the TV happened to be Black and White, making the Little Green man "Grey" in appearance.

Yes. They exist. I am a believer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/GreySealBottling.jpgDamn. You beat me to it. And the only reason I came to this thread was for the porpoise of posting a similar thing.

Edit: I just looked at the timing. You only beat me by a whisker.
And I am not so upset that I shall start blubbering.

Hey, join the club.

Just as real as you or I, and I am not so sure about you.

I saw a grey. Outside the window of my basement pad in the city at the time in the late 90's. Ground level came up to his waist. All I saw was his waist up. A two-second sighting. He looked up at me for I too, from inside my apartment, was partially at sub-level. A stare. Clear consciousness. Vacant moment. It was as if he had been there for quite a while. I so didn't expect such an occasion that when I glanced out the window I was also immediately turning away from it -- hence the two-second sighting. Believe me or not, I don't care.

Maybe.
It's specualtion either way unless you have actualy seen one or have talked to god.
It's more of a preference if you actualy believe one way or the other.
Some prefer to believe the impossibility and some prefer to believe they are in fact here already and some prefer to leave the subject open for further discussion and review.

Everones so quick to throw in their "final awnser".

Amazing Meanwhile. Can you tell me anything more about the experience? I'm sure that after an experience like that you've thoroughly researched the phenomenon and other people's sightings to compare them to your own. Any conclusions? If you feel at all uncomfortable talking about it, please PM me.

I've never seen a UFO or an alien or anything paranormal for that matter. Nonetheless I've been fascinated by accounts of these sightings. They're all so similar from the descriptions of the aliens and their spacecrafts to the abductions and the things they supposedly did to their captives.

They're all very consistent and they occur in all places on the planet, it seems. From Russia, to the UK, to the US, to Canada, etc. Not to mention all of the government coverups. It leads me to think that there really is, indeed something going on.

Of course the obvious counter argument to the consistency of the sightings is that one person hears about a particular kind of sighting and their imagination makes them believe that something similar happened to them and thus, there forms a sort of "mass conciousness" or "mass hallucination." I find it to be a copout argument. Similar to whenever a UFO sighting is so big and spectacular that it is witnessed by literally thousands of people, it is filed under, "mass hallucination." As far as the explanations go, for the skeptics, it's the best one. Weak indeed.

I was going to make a seperate thread for this but it's only 7 minutes long.
Interesting....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuCGIhnru8A&mode=related&search=

My opinion of maybe leans more toward yes than it does no.

Of course the obvious counter argument to the consistency of the sightings is that one person hears about a particular kind of sighting and their imagination makes them believe that something similar happened to them and thus, there forms a sort of "mass conciousness" or "mass hallucination." I find it to be a copout argument. Similar to whenever a UFO sighting is so big and spectacular that it is witnessed by literally thousands of people, it is filed under, "mass hallucination." As far as the explanations go, for the skeptics, it's the best one. Weak indeed.

I don't know how often anyone seriously tries to apply mass hallucination as a diagnosis. It would probably only be accurate when talking about the collective popular culture subconscious (what else to call it?) that skeptics think fuels the abduction lore. That is, that a combination of bad dreams, sleep paralysis, and bad hypnosis, when mixed with popular media, soon takes on a life of its own when in fact it was never alive to begin with. That it's basically hype and legend, and that the "infection" spreads through people's fear, paranoia, and ignorance of the truth.

Other than this example, I don't think individual sightings by one or several persons could be truthfully considered an hallucination.

The human mind is a funny place since most image recognition is stored in a Meta form as apposed to a full image. An example of this is to attempt to think of the faces of people you know, the likelihood is that you probably won't be able to truly visualise them in the sense that they were actually there, but only visualise a trace element of what is recognisable about them.

You'll probably also find in your daily activies your subconscious mind will be trying to identify everyone that crosses your path, even complete strangers will have this subconscious recognition criteria having a match run across them.

This means however at the subconscious level that there must be an overall Generic Meta representation of facial structures, that while you are asleep or your brain is functioning at a level from sleep deprevation, such illusions of facial structuring can become ever present. The key Meta makeup for a human face is obviously Eyes, Nose and Mouth everything else around that suffers greater differences so is less likely to be seen generically.

In certain respects if you were in photoshop to take a library of images of different people, with their different facial structures and generated a "Fuzzy effect" in the sense that all the stored images are first made transparent and then overlayed upon one another, eventually you could probably use a filter that works more on contrast than detail which would develop the Grey alien face that people usually imagine they see.

However this example will not be completely accurate as afterall, an overlay of such images is not a completely accurate depiction of how the human mind stores and retreives such data, it's mearly a Pseudo-explaination.

A cure? Or a theory?

I'm kinda surprised by how few people selected "maybe" for poll options.

Why would this surprise you?

I'm kinda surprised by how few people selected "maybe" for poll options.
I was just thinking that.
It's actualy depressing to understand why people instead choose to put "no" as an awnser when they have no way of knowing that for sure.
Crazy.
Such a tiny box 8 people live in.
And anyone that put yes without ever actualy having seen one is lacking some important boundaries.

People (including me) are so interesting. :)

It's actualy depressing to understand why people instead choose to put "no" as an awnser when they have no way of knowing that for sure.It is even more to depressing to witness persons such as yourself, so lacking in critical thinking faculties, or an ability to objectively assess data, or (best case) so anally retentive that they will nitpick the practical equivalence of No and So remotely unlikely, even though I can't prove it, that is might just as well be No.
What other outlandish things do you still entertain as possible, simply because you lack one or more of the above cited attributes?

Gawd, how many times a day do people call you an asshole?

It depends how often I point out to people that they lack knowledge, critical thinking facilities, and a general absence of gullibility. To be called an asshole by such individuals is evidence that I am getting through, even in a small way. If I convert only one such person out of a hundred to a more thoughtful way of examining data, then all the perjoratives from the rest will have been worth it. After all they are coming from people whose opinion I don't especially value.

Next question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPZkBad8mQ&mode=related&search=

This is pretty grotesque, but if you can, try to watch as much of it as you can. Whatever you do, don't miss the ending when they remove the brain.

If this is fake, it's a magnificent fake.

If you actually watch the Alien Autopsy (2006) (http://imdb.com/title/tt0466664/) film, you'll find some brief accounts from the actual Alien Autopsy "Fakers" at the end of the film, pretty much stating it's fake, although the film will leave you with a "believers" understanding that it's a "remake of an original".

greys are the same astral beings that have been visiting earth for... years. they've changed into a new form, which reflect our consciuosness/thoughts (because they live there, sort of.., or... everything is consciousness, life)

they're not real physical beings, but sometimes they can manifest physically, like men in black guys, loch ness, and all those weirdos..,, then they dissapear after a while. for instance, some scientist was gonna study a metal thing which billy meier got from an alien, but it vanished (http://www.billymeier.com/images/metal.jpg)

Which scientist?

Billy Meier is a fraud. His photos are laughable..

but i heard one of billy's alien friends (quetzal) predicted wtc and many other things.

yeah, his photos look like joke... tin cans... but... maybe they're "real" (real what?), because i'm not sure of anything anymore

because i'm not sure of anything anymoreYou have begun the healing process.

You have begun the healing process.
yes but you hnavet cos u still believe in things like 1+1=2 and you bleieve billy faked the ufos... but i also believe in 1+1=2, so i haven't begun the healing process, but who cares about that crap anyway, life is life nanananannanaa

btw. wiki said that billy and his aliens said that WW3 might begin november 2006 if bush continues to do bad things like he does.

Billy Meier has repeatedly warned of an impending Third World War beginning in November of either 2006, 2008, 2010, or 2011 if the USA and Israel continue their war crimes and international interference in the policies of other nation-states. This is part of the Henoch Prophecies, widely considered to be one of his most important Contacts, which also predicted the September 11, 2001 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon almost two decades before they occurred. He, and through him Ptaah, still hold that this disaster is imminent if Israel and the USA are not stopped on their rampage through the Middle-East. He has also denounced the terroristic activities and vigilante behaviours of various Muslim extremist groups, which he says only foments the possibility for war. At present, Billy's Contacts suggest that this November (2006) is the most likely time for the beginning of World War III, if measures are not undertaken to stop the USA and Israel. According to his latest reports, the 2006 Israel-Lebanon Conflict is very possibly only the beginning of what will eventually spiral into full-fledged World War by 2008, if the major first event begins this November. [6] He has said, specifically, that 4 world-leaders will die within 7 days of one another in November of some year (see above), and that this is the sign that World War III has begun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPZkBad8mQ&mode=related&search=

If this is fake, it's a magnificent fake.

What do you mean 'if'?

If you display such a lack of critical thinking you are beyond hope. There has never been any doubt that this was a fake amongst anybody but the most delusional of conspiracy theorists.

Ray Santilli, the guy that hawked this film, approached various newspapers with it for an exclusive (cash upfront of course) but when they checked out his name, he'd also offered information about the location of 'The Holy Grail', and a few other 'mysteries'. He was obviously intending to make some cash by hawking shite to the gullible, and has made money twice off this effort, once for the original film release, and secondly for the dramatisation of the scam. Except of course he throws the delusional tinfoil hat brigade a bone by implying it was a remake, as Stryder mentions. Allegedly, the 'original' footage caught fire in the projector while they were watching it, and somehow, he didn't manage to save one single frame. Hmmmmmm.

Oh, and on greys, 'grey' is understood to be the little Steven Spielberg inspired aliens that visit earth and anally probe people. So 'no' is a perfectly valid answer, as Ophiolite points out. Yes, some little grey men that fit the bill might exist somewhere in the Universe, but whether they come here and butt rape people is a different question. Well, 'No' is the answer to that question.

Oh, and on greys, 'grey' is understood to be the little Steven Spielberg inspired aliens that visit earth and anally probe people.
but the greys aren't extraterrestrials from outer space, they're psychoterrestrials from inner space.

I must say, In all the years I've lived, I've never seen an alien from outerspace, but I have seen many humans who have values and goals which are alien to the way of life of the common man, so in a way, I have seen many aliens, but they are the corporate aliens which infest our world, the corporate aliens who indeed have secret technology(which I have seen), but they are no more alien in species than you or I, they just have alien values, remember that.

Don't know if this video documentary has ever been posted on SF, but it might interest some people.

I haven't got a clue how much truth is involved here but the interview with the guy who sold the tape is fascinating.

http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/area_51.htm

i think i might have see na UFO over the summer.

I was laying on the dock of a lake up at boy scout camp looknig at the stars, and there was a very bright whitish blue light so i stared at it, and i have come to 3 conculssions of what it was

My eyes were palying tricks on me ( very likkly)

A star went supernova hit a planet and the planet has no idea wha tthe fuck its doig or where to go (very unliklly)

and lastly it was a UFO inprobable and probably unliklly as well, but thats hwta i saw. who knows, i want ot belive that aliens are out there, i dotn want to think we are trully alone.

One day one alien species will amke contact with nother alien species i hope

......

Are greys real?

you didnt know?

bwahahahahaha

err, sorry for detour :x

Rick

i think i might have see na UFO over the summer.

I was laying on the dock of a lake up at boy scout camp looknig at the stars, and there was a very bright whitish blue light so i stared at it,

And what did it do ?

Did it just sit there, in the sky? Move? Zig Zag? Land? Change colour? Make a noise?

Because the 'F' part of UFO is Flying , so unless this thing moved in anything other than a parabolic/ballistic type arc, it does not qualify as Flying and therefore was not a 'UFO', got that? Static lights in the sky are not UFOs. Shooting stars are not UFOs. If you want to tell us you have seen a UFO, you actually have to describe what you have seen, including it's motion, don't be vague.

Yes the greys are real. We are the greys.
It's simply, you know hypnosis? Those are the greys.

i think i might have see na UFO over the summer.

I was laying on the dock of a lake up at boy scout camp looknig at the stars, and there was a very bright whitish blue light so i stared at it, and i have come to 3 conculssions of what it was

My eyes were palying tricks on me ( very likkly)

A star went supernova hit a planet and the planet has no idea wha tthe fuck its doig or where to go (very unliklly)

and lastly it was a UFO inprobable and probably unliklly as well, but thats hwta i saw. who knows, i want ot belive that aliens are out there, i dotn want to think we are trully alone.

One day one alien species will amke contact with nother alien species i hope


I have seen a UFO too, but no grey aliens. There are no "greys", and no "aliens", unless you mean illegal aliens and then maybe there are aliens.

UFO's are government craft. Yes our government has space travel, and saucer shaped craft, yes our government has anti matter engines, yes there were time travel experiments, as well as many others, but the alien stuff is bogus. Have you personally seen a bug eyed alien?

Have you personally seen a bug eyed alien?
i saw one in my room yesterday.

Time Traveler:

There is a tone in your writing that suggests that you KNOW for certain that UFOs are government craft. In fact, they're not. They're unidentified flying objects. Some are government craft, some are not.

And how do you know our government has space travel, and all of this stuff? How do you justify the matter-of-fact tone? You apparently know something we do not. Perhaps you could indulge us.

Time Traveler:

There is a tone in your writing that suggests that you KNOW for certain that UFOs are government craft. In fact, they're not. They're unidentified flying objects. Some are government craft, some are not.

And how do you know our government has space travel, and all of this stuff? How do you justify the matter-of-fact tone? You apparently know something we do not. Perhaps you could indulge us.

Hey, it's just public knowledge. I know a lot about the level of technology we currencly have, and yes we do have the technology to make saucers, we had that technology since the 1950s. Aliens are a brilliant cover story, the aliens did it. We could have also just said God did it, or the angels are doing it, or whatever.

Think of it like this, any idea which was ever thought of, or put to paper, or which has been researched, likely has a military application and is being tried.

So lets see, this includes anti matter engines, this might include all the most advanced nano technology, this likely includes quantum entanglement.

Quantum entanglement allows for what can only be described as, teleportation(being in 2 places at the same time), and this may have a birth in government experiments.

What you know about the universe is limited. Consider the universe a hologram, consider that distance does not really exist, and that there is no such thing as seperate. On the quantum level we are one.

Think about this and how it might influence technology.

The only plans I've seen for an Anti-matter drive were purely conceptual and the overall outcome was the energy needed to inverse normal matters atomic spin cost more than what energy it would get out.

As for Quantum Entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement), even the Wiki input states:

Although no information can be transmitted through entanglement alone, it is possible to transmit information using a set of entangled states used in conjunction with a classical information channel. This process is known as quantum teleportation. Despite its name, quantum teleportation cannot be used to transmit information faster than light, because a classical information channel is involved.

Quite simply it's not about an object "teleporting" or so much about existing in two different places at the same time. Even the Photon teleportation experiment done in Australia a few backs might have a problem with it's outcome in the sense that the photon recieved might be a different one than the one that was sent.

I suggest the majority of UFO's that are regularly seen now adays are people doing pranks just to keep the Genre alive so they can sell merchandise, films, books and support groups etc.

What I asked for, TimeTraveler, was not condescension. I asked HOW you know all of this. I want to know how you know what you know. Supposedly. What are your sources of information, Einstein.

Last I checked, all of those high-tech projects you mentioned ARE NOT public knowledge. If they were public knowledge, they wouldn't be considered UFOs!!!!! Because everybody would know what they were!!! Goooooddddd!!!!

What I asked for, TimeTraveler, was not condescension. I asked HOW you know all of this. I am not certain if it is possible for the certifiably delusional to indulge in condescension, but for sure they do not deal in any recognisable facts. :cool:

Anyone got pics?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Grey_alien_close1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Ebe1_alien.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Grey_alien_close2.jpg
According to Wikipedia, these are believed to be real. But the main thing is, this is what people are referring to when they hear or see the word "Grey," in terms of aliens.

The greys are real, as real as demons, angels and the devil.

yeah, we already know what you think.

The only plans I've seen for an Anti-matter drive were purely conceptual and the overall outcome was the energy needed to inverse normal matters atomic spin cost more than what energy it would get out.

As for Quantum Entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement), even the Wiki input states:



Quite simply it's not about an object "teleporting" or so much about existing in two different places at the same time. Even the Photon teleportation experiment done in Australia a few backs might have a problem with it's outcome in the sense that the photon recieved might be a different one than the one that was sent.

I suggest the majority of UFO's that are regularly seen now adays are people doing pranks just to keep the Genre alive so they can sell merchandise, films, books and support groups etc.


The antimatter drive is not conceptual, it's already made. Generally when something is conceptual it means we already have the blueprint to make it, it's just a matter of cost. When you take into account that the government has unlimited money, literally, they can make anything you can think of and conceptualize. Antimatter drives already power some experimental craft, there also have scramjets and all sorts of crafts. There is also HAARP, and many other things of this sort.

Go to a site such as abovetopsecret.com, some of the stuff on that site is real, some of the stuff about aliens is fiction, but the crafts are real. In general if you just, look at some mailing lists and public records of patents you can also see what's in development, it's not that the government keeps what they are developing secret, they keep the actual technology secret, so while we know there are anti matter drive patents and patents for all this stuff, we don't know what they are used for.

The concept I saw for an Anti-Matter drive I think was from NASA with the intention of trying to work out better systems for space exploration, however there were still certain problems with the overall design, like it's all very well generating energy in space but it's no good if you can't apply it to a "drive" system.

Flight in space is obviously different to that of our atmosphere bound flying machines considering that they use the atmosphere to generate the forces in the right places, without atmospheric pressure there is no lift and no drive. Of course rockets are used in space, however they generate their own atmosphere at their exhaust and generate a greater thrust through the compounds being ignited.

Electromagnetic flying vehicles are also reliant upon atmosphere, since the use of the magnetic field around the craft displaces the crafts weight across the atmospheric presense. This is why it's suggested that such craft would require stupid amounts of energy at high altitudes since the atmosphere is thinner they would require a greater field to accomplish the same task as a low altitude.

I'm not saying that any of these craft haven't been thought of, theorised about or perhaps have had prototypes built (accept for an antimatter drive since that was conception and lacked the "Drive") however they all have their characteristic problems which are probably all solvable if it wasn't for overall COST.

I would suggest TimeTraveler that you don't take Abovetopsecret.com as your absolute source of all true data, try to find a few reputable hardback published works (that doesn't mean a book entiled "UFO's") to cross reference with.