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neoclassical
10-10-04, 11:19 AM
Blood and Soil
By Jan Arild Snoen

OSLO -- In May the prominent Dutch rightwing populist Pim Fortuyn was shot to death. The suspected perpetrator is an animal rights activist. This marks the first high-profile murder committed by radical environmentalists in Europe. Sadly, it will probably not be last.

Norwegian philosopher Arne Naess coined the term "deep ecology" in 1972 to express the idea that nature has intrinsic value, apart from its usefulness to human beings. This distinction between a biocentric and human-centered -- anthropocentric -- perspective has been hotly debated in the environmental movement ever since. In its most extreme form, a biocentric perspective leads to utter disregard for human welfare. David Foreman, the founder of the deep ecology organisation appropriately named Earth First!, notoriously called for humanitarian organisations to sit back and watch Ethiopians starve to death during the famine of 1987: "The worst thing we could do in Ethiopia is to give aid [to the starving children] -- the best thing would be to just let nature seek its own balance, to let people there just starve."

Ingrid Newkirk, the founder of the anti-fur animal rights organisation PETA sees people as parasites. "Humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the earth," she told Reader's Digest in June 1990. In 1983 she explained to the Washington Post that the lives of individuals have no value, only the survival of the species: "I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am."

For some, a biocentric perspective logically leads to the use of violence to defend other species or the planet biosphere against human misconduct. The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) explicitly advocates violence against property, and has been behind a number of violent attacks both in Europe and the U.S. In 1987, Tim Daley, a leader of the British Animal Liberation Front even condoned murder in an interview with the BBC: "In a war you have to take up arms and people will get killed, and I can support that kind of action by petrol bombing and bombs under cars, and probably at a later stage, the shooting of vivisectors on their doorsteps. It's a war, and there's no other way you can stop vivisectors."

This echoes statements made by Ronnie Lee, the founder of ALF in the mid 1070's. The British animal rights activists are among the most militant in the world, and in 1999 alone more than 1,200 violent incidents were recorded, among them several death treats.

This violent philosophy probably inspired Volkert van der Graaf to murder Pim Fortuyn, and possibly also a local environmental officer in 1996. In his teens, van der Graaf founded the Zeeland ALF, and later an even more extreme animal rights group -- Milieu Offensief. He is a strict vegan and against all forms of animal agriculture.

Ecoterrorism is nothing new to the U.S either. Since 1996 more than 600 cases of ecoterrorism have been recorded and the FBI believes that ecoterrorism is the greatest domestic terror threat. The most well-known incidents are the series of lethal bomb attacks perpetrated in the 1990's by Theodore Kaczynski, best known as the Unabomber. Kaczynski was a loner and not part of any organisation, but his Manifesto shares the anti-industrial and anti-technological sentiments of most deep ecologists.

Although the terrorist fringe of the environmental movement usually is labelled left-wing, it has more in common with the green wing of the German Nazi party. The fact that radical environmentalists are also staunch anti-capitalists does not necessarily place them in the left-socialist camp. The National Socialists where also strongly anti-capitalist. The Nazi's disregard for the individual and preoccupation with race is well known, but that this also had a distinctively green twist is less appreciated.

In his essay Fascist Ecology: The "Green Wing" of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents, Peter Staudenmaier traces the origins of Green National Socialism and how it was implemented. I am indebted to him for most of the quotes below.

In his book National Socialism and the Religion of Nature the historian Robert Pois sums up the Nazi view of nature as a mixture of primeval teutonic nature mysticism, pseudo-scientific ecology, irrationalist anti-humanism, and a mythology of racial salvation through a return to the land. "Throughout the writings, not only of Hitler, but of most Nazi ideologues, one can discern a fundamental deprecation of humans vis-ŕ-vis nature, and, as a logical corollary to this, an attack upon human efforts to master nature."

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote: "When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall." Few people would blink at such a statement today. It is part of what Bjřrn Lomborg calls the green Litany. The implications Hitler drew from this "iron logic" are, however, chilling. In this biocentric view, the individual is nothing, and for Hitler it was completely natural to label whole groups of people, such as the Jews and gypsies, as "weeds" and to treat them accordingly.

The prominent Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg was, together with the agricultural minister Walther Darré, the chief proponent of Blut und Boden which emphasized the importance of reconnecting with the race and the land and fighting the evils of urbanisation and industrial society. Rosenberg wrote: "Today we see the steady stream from the countryside to the city, deadly for the Volk. The cities swell ever larger, unnerving the Volk and destroying the threads which bind humanity to nature; they attract adventurers and profiteers of all colours, thereby fostering racial chaos." This idea is closely connected to Nazi expansionism. Germany needed "Lebensraum" to the east, in order to be able to move back to a simple, agrarian society. Darré wrote: "The concept of Blood and Soil gives us the moral right to take back as much land in the East as is necessary to establish a harmony between the body of our Volk and the geopolitical space."

Staudenmaier writes that "Hitler and Himmler were both strict vegetarians and animal lovers, attracted to nature mysticism and homeopathic cures, and staunchly opposed to vivisection and cruelty to animals. Himmler even established experimental organic farms to grow herbs for SS medicinal purposes. And Hitler, at times, could sound like a veritable Green utopian, discussing authoritatively and in detail various renewable energy sources (including environmentally appropriate hydropower and producing natural gas from sludge) as alternatives to coal, and declaring 'water, winds and tides' as the energy path of the future."

The Nazi green ideology was most forcefully implemented by Walther Darré, agricultural minister from 1933 to 1942. He started a massive campaign for organic farming. As Darré undoubtedly is a pioneer of green politics, many greens have tried to downplay that he was a true Nazi, portraying him as a misguided idealist in alliance with the Nazi state almost by accident. Staudenmaier dismisses this and points to Darrés own writing, showing him to be a rabid racist and jingoist. Revealingly, he spoke of the Jews as "weeds". Staudenmaier sums up: "Far from embodying the 'redeeming' facets of National Socialism, Darré represents the baleful specter of ecofascism in power."

One of the first acts of Hitler's new government in 1933 was to push through the most progressive environmental policies in the world at the time. These measures included reforestation programs, bills protecting animal and plant species, and preservationist decrees blocking industrial development. For the first time in world history a law awarding rights to animals was enacted. The Nazi government also created the first nature preserves in Europe. The unprecedented Reichsnaturschutzgesetz of 1935 established guidelines for safeguarding flora, fauna, and "natural monuments". It also restricted commercial access to remaining tracts of wilderness.

Not all Nazis were greens and these policies were for the most part opposed by, among others, Göring and Goebbels. There was always a tension between Nazi modernisation and industrialisation, deemed necessary for the military build-up, and its agrarian reactionary sentiments. But Staudenmaier demonstrates that even the man responsible for industrialisation, Reichsminister Fritz Todt, had strong ecological sentiments.

The green strain of Nazism was in no way restricted to the leadership. According to a study of the membership rolls of several mainstream nature protection organisations, by 1939 fully 60 percent of them had joined the NSDAP (compared to about 10 percent of adult men and 25 percent of teachers and lawyers).

A quote from PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk (Washington Post, November 13, 1983), shows how far a biocentric view can lead to moral relativism and disregard for human suffering: "Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."

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nbachris2788
10-10-04, 11:54 AM
I despise PETA and all those extremist environmentalists, but I think your title is a bit off. The term "Greens" is a direct reference to the Green Party, and they are not extremists. David Cobb, Ralph Nader, and Jim Harris are hardly examples of environmental terrorists.

Dreamwalker
10-10-04, 11:57 AM
I agree with chris, there are some extremist enviromental organizations and groups out there, but they are not really greens, not in the political definition and idea.

ElectricFetus
10-10-04, 06:29 PM
These extremist are more anarchist then nazi. Nazi were into greens, but greens where not into nazis.

Fraggle Rocker
10-10-04, 11:03 PM
The Greens are just the old Reds with a new colored flag. They believe they know what's best for all of us, and that gives them the right to rule us. In their exalted wisdom, they have the right to exercise a "dictatorship of the proletariat."

To argue whether they are Nazis misses a crucial point. What the Nazis and the Communists had in common was an unwavering faith in statism: the philosophy that an extremely powerful and centralized government, run by the people who are selling the idea because they are by definition the wisest of us all, is the best way to organize a nation.

You can approach statism from the left, as a socialist society which has already ceded its economic power to the government finds its personal liberties being similarly preempted by the authorities. Or you can approach it from the right, as a Nanny State that just wants us to be safe, healthy, fit, sober, and religious at any cost discovers that the cost is infinite and must usurp our economic rights as well as our civil rights. Both approaches reach the same peak from opposite sides of the mountain.

And they both suck. People must be allowed to make mistakes, that's the only way we learn. And government is just about the most ineffective, wasteful, slow-moving, easily corrupted, self-serving, and inevitably aristocratic institution we have ever invented.

I would rather take my chances with independent cells of eco-terrorists who at least genuinely believe in their cause forcing the rest of us to honestly examine our feelings about meat, fur, companion and service animals, prairie dogs, and the fact that many of us wouldn't be alive without medications that were developed by animal testing... than with a government dedicated to preserving wetlands deciding that a pond in my backyard that was created by my drainage ditch backing up is the sacred breeding ground of a particularly virulent species of mosquito.

Leave the government as small as possible and let the citizens mix it up a bit. As unpleasant as that scenario sometimes becomes, it's far better than the stifling alternative.

cato
10-10-04, 11:41 PM
I just hate the fact that people discriminate between animals. Why is it so bad to kill one dolphin for every X thousand tuna? Aren’t tuna just as disserving of life? I say, "Give me a dolphin melt with a side deep-fried whale" =]

Dr Lou Natic
10-11-04, 12:13 AM
I despise PETA and all those extremist environmentalists, but I think your title is a bit off. The term "Greens" is a direct reference to the Green Party, and they are not extremists. David Cobb, Ralph Nader, and Jim Harris are hardly examples of environmental terrorists.
Did you read the article? He's not using nazis as an insult against greens, he's saying nazis litterally had similar ideals to the greens (correct me if I'm wrong neoclassical).
Hitler was hardly an environmental terrorist. Everyday people are environmental terrorists. Hitler killed a shit load of them, therefore he was an environmental messiah.
And, according to this article, he had many other pro-environment policies and personal beliefs.

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm pro nazi, I definately wouldn't have said that before coming here, but honestly it's becoming hard to deny that I agree with them on a hell of alot of issues.
Nazis tend to be people who are racist for no reason and then search for validation. I'm not racist, and wouldn't fit in at a nazi rally or be friends with nazis or stomp on negros angrily for being negros.
But I think their willingness to accept that there could be problems with multiculturalism has allowed the smart ones to stumble onto truths no one else would dare stumble onto.
The thing is I am an environmentalist, I see the planet as much more important than people's feelings or even people for that matter. I litterally see people as another animal and the most important thing to me is that all the animals and plants and so on are functioning appropriately to benefit one another and the system at large.
Nazis touch on this, which makes them more environmentally aware than any group I know of.
The real greens are wimps and have no grip on reality. They just want to generally be nice to everything, not stepping on any flowers but not stepping on any toes either.
Those toes will inevitably go on to step on flowers so its a big waste of time.

Human beings are completely out of control, thats the bottom line. As the dominant species we don't put up with any animal even seeming like it might go on a rampage one billionth the size of ours, and yet we let ourselves go on unhindered.
We go to great lengths to get introduced species under control, and yet we are an introduced species ourselves, one that is more hazardous than all the other introduced species combined (which our hands 'introduced' I might add).
If a more powerful species happened to evolve they'd be culling the shit out of us, absolutely no doubt about it. There'd be traps and human-hunters everywhere. It would be a state of emergency, they'd be going through schools with pesticide and flame throwers.
Ofcourse, they never would have let it get this bad in the first place.
If we were half the species we like to pretend we are we'd be taking responsibility for ourselves.

Nazis occassionally acknowledge this problem, which I respect them for, regardless of their reputation.

Dr Lou Natic
10-11-04, 12:14 AM
I just hate the fact that people discriminate between animals. Why is it so bad to kill one dolphin for every X thousand tuna? Aren’t tuna just as disserving of life? I say, "Give me a dolphin melt with a side deep-fried whale"
Yes, thats another way of putting what I just said.
Keep in mind, YOU are an animal.

nbachris2788
10-11-04, 08:48 PM
Did you read the article? He's not using nazis as an insult against greens, he's saying nazis litterally had similar ideals to the greens

Of course I read the article. But the title says, "Are Greens Nazis?" which gives the impression that environmental terrorists, aka Nazis (according to the writer), are part of the Green Party. While some may be sympathetic to the Greens, the party itself does not promote such radical acts of violence.

neoclassical
10-11-04, 09:00 PM
The Green party took its name from the informal term "greens," which means (extreme) environmental advocates.

Fraggle Rocker
10-11-04, 09:17 PM
The thing is I am an environmentalist, I see the planet as much more important than people's feelings or even people for that matter. I litterally see people as another animal and the most important thing to me is that all the animals and plants and so on are functioning appropriately to benefit one another and the system at large. Human beings are completely out of control, thats the bottom line.If you regard a planet as something sacred, then you've got to hate Nature more than anything. Nature capriciously does the most horrible things to ecosystems, to entire biospheres... hell, to entire planets, entire solar systems.

It was Nature, not Man, who brought down the ice ages that did more damage to the ecosystem than even our "greenhouse gases" whose effects are still quite arguable. It was Nature, not Man, who slammed an asteroid into our planet, covering the entire biosphere with dust and darkness and bringing about the largest mass extinction ever. It was Nature, not Man, who created the asteroid belt out of some hapless planet that may very well have had a biosphere of its own. It is Nature, not Man, who takes perfectly sweet, life-giving suns and turns them into novas that destroy all life within their planetary systems.

More to the point, it is Nature, not Man, who is going to do that very thing to our sun some time in the next several billion years. This is not just going to erase all traces of our evil creations such as religion and war and government, not even just our invasive culture such as Machu Picchu, the Mona Lisa, and Pink Floyd. It's going to kill off all those sweet little animals and all the pretty flowers and all the majestic trees. It's going to melt the mountains and boil off the oceans, and then shred this planet into tiny fragments that will be absorbed by the expanding nova.

Nice Mom, Nature is.

I'm sure glad we're around to prevent this from being a total catastrophe. If we can curb our tendencies toward religion, war, and government and learn how to act in our collective self-interest, a few billion years will give us enough time to both invent interstellar travel and to build enough vessels to take microcosms of Earth's ecosystems to other Earthlike planets and establish little colonies of Earth's wonders there, including the people. So when Nature decides to destroy Earth, its wonders will survive in widely separated locations, perhaps even in other galaxies, where no single act of a heartless and uncaring Nature can obliterate it.

Yessir, it's a good thing this planet has people on it, or Mother Nature will just bulldoze it away in a supernova like all of her other creations. Nasty bitch, that Nature. Got to learn to control her.