How sure are we that we're not being inspired?

:m:

We're not.

How sure are we that we're not being inspired?

:m:


There is no such thing as an original thought

if anyone has one, google it and you will find you are not alone.

There is no such thing as an original thought

if anyone has one, google it and you will find you are not alone.

Clearly you've never heard of googlewhack.

There is no such thing as an original thought.

Yeah, but the over-inflated human egos won't allow many to admit that ....and thus we have such Internet sites like sciforums and others! :)

Baron Max

"Jager Jhara" isn't on google.

I believe it IS possible for original thought. Look at all those thoughts out there; SOMEONE had to come up with them. :o

There is no such thing as an original thought

if anyone has one, google it and you will find you are not alone.

Yes, theres nothing new under the sun.
All is vainity, mankind has been this way before.

If our true history has been hidden, this would explain it.
"Learn from history, or be doomed to repeat it"

The truth will set you free, what then could possibly be the reason the statis qou version of history taught as fact is a lie.?

Those teaching this lie wish it to have the same affect it always has......

Bondage and servitude.

Only the truth sets you free from this.

Original thought:

University of Life Lecture



'The Jet Propelled Penguin'



Penguins are extremely talented birds. Not only are they adapted to an oceanic life extremely well and fly underwater as easy as their flying ancestors did in the air. Actually they probably fly better than them, since the penguin ancestor was probably a poor air-flyer as a tradeoff for being a good water-flyer.

Penguins also have other more 'hidden' talents. Penguins are capable of expelling their faeces with extreme force therefore avoiding fouling their nest and themselves. Recently researchers found that penguins can shoot their droppings (or shootings) as far as 40 cm away. The researchers calculated that the birds can generate a pressure of up to 60 kilopascals (Polar research, vol 27, p56).

We find the explanation that penguins shoot their poop to prevent fouling the nest unsatisfactory. Penguins are not exactly known for their gigantic sized nests. It seems therefore unlikely that they need to shoot their dropping further than other birds. We propose that the ability to shoot the dropping (or shooting) extremely far is merely a secondary function.

The primary function reflects an adaptation to oceanic life. The excretory apparatus of the penguin acts as a jet propulsion system (water jet) in cases where extra speed is needed. In a confrontation with a predator a little bit of extra speed could mean the difference between life and death. It is already known that many animals soil themselves in a life threatening situations. From this it is only a small step to increase the pressure of faeces release in such a situation. Any penguin which had a slightly higher anal pressure would have a slight Darwinian advantage. Hence penguins evolved their current jet engines.

It is unknown if penguins still use their jet engine still in this fashion or if the jet engine is now solely used for squirting poop as far away as possible. We are sending out an expedition this summer.



Spurious Monkey

Professor at the UOL

try googling it.

I disagree. At some point, somewhere, a thought was born for the first time and it was truly original. Nowadays, with most people educated, some highly, and with the amazing amount of information at everyone's fingertips, it is perhaps harder to come up with a truly original idea, there is always an overwhelming chance that someone somewhere has had it before you, but that is not to say that certain thoughts, even if they aren't truly original, shouldn't be rare and exotic, which can make them seem as original as original can be.

All our thoughts are inspired by something; other thoughts or anything else that we can perceive with our senses. Maybe even by something divine which is unlikely if you ask me, but I cannot prove that it is not so, if that's what your aiming at.

Yes, theres nothing new under the sun.
All is vainity, mankind has been this way before.

If our true history has been hidden, this would explain it.
"Learn from history, or be doomed to repeat it"
The truth will set you free, but if what we beleive are lies.....
(Over)


that's not what I meant

let me clarify

there may be new thoughts/ideas, but they will occur simultaneously with someone else, thus while 'new' will NOT be unique to you

Original thought:



try googling it.

ONE jet propelled penguine coming up

"This is how a jet propelled penguin is going to keep you cool. With a few modifications........"

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Chilly_20the_20Penguin

and YOURS

pAGE 25

http://www.biocenter.helsinki.fi/bi/development/d&c/archive/d&c2003vol6.pdf

ONE jet propelled penguine coming up

"This is how a jet propelled penguin is going to keep you cool. With a few modifications........"

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Chilly_20the_20Penguin


That's not even a real penguin

That's not even a real penguin

BUt a 'jet propelled penguine' non the less

thus the thought 'jet propelled penguine' is not original

Unlike Sderenzi many people don't post all their thoughts on the internet, so while google is a good indicator, there will be a billion other non google examples

yes, it is.

they talk about a beer cooler, not a penguin.

beercooler is not penguin

that's not what I meant

let me clarify

there may be new thoughts/ideas, but they will occur simultaneously with someone else, thus while 'new' will NOT be unique to you

mistress
claiming simultaneaity means you are privy to info not readily apparent to most.

is this ancient wisdom or have do you a mathematical formulation from which you can derive the occurrence of an original thought?

the constraints are obvious
comparisons are within the species
the basic environment is shared and experienced by all
so is the inner aka finite brains

patterns are recognized and categorized (the norm)
abnormalities and deviations likewise (loonies)

crunch the numbers
i am guessing repetion and minute modifications is the order of the day

unless
it is about perspective aka time scales

Original thoughts are rare, but they do exist. But most people just recycle. It's the only kind of recycling they do, indeed.

There's absolutely no evidence in my favour, but I say it is. So there.

:bugeye:

yes, it is.

they talk about a beer cooler, not a penguin.

beercooler is not penguin


Yeah, but the over-inflated human egos won't allow many to admit that ....and thus we have such Internet sites like sciforums and others! :)

Baron Max

How do you know Spurious that it was he or you who first 'thought'

the combined words 'Jet propelled penguine'

I am not talking of what stemmed from that and how the thought evolved combining other 'thoughts'

but of that 3 word thought

the thought 'jet propelled penguine' was not unique to you regardless of the 'concept' that followed the 'thought'. It may be the case that you had the concept first and then when pondering of what to call this, the 'thought'

'jet proppeled penguine ' popped into your head. BUT that thought was not uniquely yours, it was shared with many others.

You may think the rest of your thought process was yours at least, but that will derive from bits of other peoples thoughts that were also shared.

We are all intricately connected somehow, just like the cells in our body and when one has a thought a few others share it simultaneously. I suppose the story that you create from your 'shared thoughts' can create an overall original story but ............that is what the question of the thread is, are we 'inspired'. Your story was 'inspired'.

You know many yrs ago, I was telling my mom about a great ponderance I was having, and she informed me that I was talking about a theory ( I shan't say which ;) which was one the great scientfic contributions of our era. Now I am not physics trained, and while I'd love to believe I share the same 'genius' thought process' as the genius that allegedly originated that thought, I simply accept that I merely stumbled across the 'thoughts' that already exist, rather than creating my own amazing 'theory'.



Gustav, I'll get to you later.

I want ToR to propose marriage to me, because I'm lonely. My thoughts are full of her......

down boy

I believe it IS possible for original thought. Look at all those thoughts out there; SOMEONE had to come up with them. :o

Original thoughts but not unique to one person, that is my theory

mistress
claiming simultaneaity means you are privy to info not readily apparent to most.

is this ancient wisdom or have do you a mathematical formulation from which you can derive the occurrence of an original thought?

the constraints are obvious
comparisons are within the species
the basic environment is shared and experienced by all
so is the inner aka finite brains

patterns are recognized and categorized (the norm)
abnormalities and deviations likewise (loonies)

crunch the numbers
i am guessing repetion and minute modifications is the order of the day

unless
it is about perspective aka time scales

yes

Original thoughts but not unique to one person, that is my theory

It can't be an original thought if someone has thought it before.

How do you know Spurious that it was he or you who first 'thought'

the combined words 'Jet propelled penguine'

I am not talking of what stemmed from that and how the thought evolved combining other 'thoughts'

but of that 3 word thought

the thought 'jet propelled penguine' was not unique to you regardless of the 'concept' that followed the 'thought'. It may be the case that you had the concept first and then when pondering of what to call this, the 'thought'

'jet proppeled penguine ' popped into your head. BUT that thought was not uniquely yours, it was shared with many others.

You may think the rest of your thought process was yours at least, but that will derive from bits of other peoples thoughts that were also shared.

We are all intricately connected somehow, just like the cells in our body and when one has a thought a few others share it simultaneously. I suppose the story that you create from your 'shared thoughts' can create an overall original story but ............that is what the question of the thread is, are we 'inspired'. Your story was 'inspired'.

You know many yrs ago, I was telling my mom about a great ponderance I was having, and she informed me that I was talking about a theory ( I shan't say which ;) which was one the great scientfic contributions of our era. Now I am not physics trained, and while I'd love to believe I share the same 'genius' thought process' as the genius that allegedly originated that thought, I simply accept that I merely stumbled across the 'thoughts' that already exist, rather than creating my own amazing 'theory'.



Gustav, I'll get to you later.

Because you have to be a fucking freak to come up with it.

1. nobody cares about science.
2. nobody cares about evolution.
3. nobody cares about making a parody on evolution.
4. nobody cares about writing it down.
5. nobody cares about the anus of the penguin except a small group of japanese fetists and a small group of chinese cuisine lovers.

Give a 1000 monkeys a typewriter and eventually the words 'jet', 'propelled', and 'penguin' will surface.

Putting the words 'Jet propelled penguin' in a sequential order is not the idea that is propagated in the example I have however.

The idea that was postulated was that the capacity of expell feaces with great force is an evolutionary adaptation to increase speed under water by means of a faeces jet motor.

Nobody in their right mind would ever propose that.

Because it is utterly silly.

And silly people are almost extinct. In fact last year they have been declared an endangered species by the WWF and most countries followed suite and put it on the protected species list. Except the US.

The last paragraph contains an original thought: that silly people are almost extinct and are declared an endangered species. That's because it isn't true. I dare to bet money on it that nobody has thought before that silly people have been declared an endangered species this year.

1. they are not a species.
2. silly people are not almost extinct.
3. people don't care about silly people. They care about what's on tv and how the war in Iraq is going.
4. the WWF hasn't declared silly people endangered, nor has anyone else said this year that they did: I called them and asked.
5. Penguins life mostly in the southern hemisphere. Except the penguins in some zoos and maybe a few colonies. This is not an original thought. Many people think penguins live in the soutern hemisphere and in the zoo. Many also think they live in the northern hemisphere.

tada!

that's not what I meant

let me clarify

there may be new thoughts/ideas, but they will occur simultaneously with someone else, thus while 'new' will NOT be unique to you


Sometimes we may think we're "the only one", but there are others being led to the same conclusion, the same realization.
As you come to a balance you see the diverse economy of life and find you're not so alone after all.
Inspiration is what messengers do....the good and the bad.

I think I see what your saying.T.O.R,
So you're theory is not too far off.
Do people receive the same thoughts not unique just to themselves?
Oh yes....for various reasons.

One explanation is this,some here do have this thing in common....we share knowledge of all things because we are sojourners here in time from eternity.
We have in our heart, memories awakening from the same mind.
And He has seen the end from the beginning.
People everywhere are beginning to wake up, and remember who they are.
It is the rising of the Son.

Beware though, there are many voices that have "gone out into the world".
Since you're implying our thoughts may not be our own, and correctly so in many cases I'm afraid.....
They must be carefully discerned of their origin.

If our true history has been hidden, and it has been re-written at every step, what then could possibly be the reason the status quo version of history taught as fact is a lie.?
Those teaching this lie wish it to have the same affect it always has,
Bondage and servitude...the truth will set you free.

So with all that as a background, remember there's always the twins, a counterfit of the truth so close to the real.....thats another topic but very related to this.

The last paragraph contains an original thought: that silly people are almost extinct and are declared an endangered species. That's because it isn't true. I dare to bet money on it that nobody has thought before that silly people have been declared an endangered species this year.

!

well so far I have found on the web

" silly people are fucked" fucked means endangered surely?

and

" the silly people are now dead" sounds pretty endangered??

and

"silly people are 'special" special making them a minority right? Minority perhaps suggesting endangered?

so yes spurious people do think silly thoughts about silly people, it is not a new concept.


"Officedog.co.uk - All The Silly People
Good things about what I have done. All the SILLY PEOPLE are now DEAD. Bad things about what I have done. I am now the ONLY PERSON left in the world ...

http://www.officedog.co.uk/6945.product.html

meanwhile for your amusement and little laugh at myself, I just found this:

"silly People are so overly dependent on Google" lol

Now then....do we ever even have a single truly original thought?
Well, to tell you the truth I never really thought about it.:bugeye:
I don't like the way something about that sounds, now you mention it.
I'll be keeping that in mind for a while.
Thanks a lot.....for the thought, that my mind is not.
Oh, I'm having a good day now....it's like a virus.
I think I need some mental penicillin.

Now then....do we ever even have a single truly original thought?
Never (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=57946)

Now then....do we ever even have a single truly original thought?
Well, to tell you the truth I never really thought about it.:bugeye:
I don't like the way something about that sounds, now you mention it.
I'll be keeping that in mind for a while.
Thanks a lot.....for the thought, that my mind is not.
Oh, I'm having a good day now....it's like a virus.
I think I need some mental penicillin.

you know once when I was managing an opticians (VERY many moons ago) I noticed an odd thing.

Some of my customers had what seemed to be 'clones', people who shared facial features but mannerisms also. They were not related. It made me think that there are a finite number of 'models' out there. Perhaps much smaller than we realise. I once met my double. A very good male friend was dating her and all his friends would swear when they went out with them as a couple that it was me they went out with. It was VERY annoying, because for all my protestations they would not believe it was just an odd coincidence.

consider all the 'look-a-likes' who are now employed for looking like famous celebs.

do we share thoughts perhaps with our lookilikee's? :bugeye:

boggle boggle boggle

How sure are we that we're not being inspired?

:m:

if we were not inspired than we would be able to project our thoughts. This world tought us how to project our thoughts, possibly attracting us to go with the world or against it.

you know once when I was managing an opticians (VERY many moons ago) I noticed an odd thing.

I once met my double. A very good male friend was dating her and all his friends would swear when they went out with them as a couple that it was me they went out with.

Was he a regular at the opticians? :)

Was he a regular at the opticians? :)

Cheeky wotsit

He never wore specs

you know once when I was managing an opticians (VERY many moons ago) I noticed an odd thing.

Some of my customers had what seemed to be 'clones', people who shared facial features but mannerisms also.

It made me think that there are a finite number of 'models' out there. Perhaps much smaller than we realize.

I noticed that same thing years ago when in another city at a concert.
Arrowhead stadium....
In the midst of fifty thousand people or more, I saw dozens of people that looked just like ones I knew at home.
But they weren't....

I may have just had too much smoke in my eyes.....but it was bizarre enough I've mentioned it to others many times since.

I figured we are all so closely related when you think about it, we may have come from just a handful of families when you go back the last few hundred years or so.

I'll mention this while on the subject, I had almost forgot it till now.
Shortly after having a NDE (Near Death Experiance) earlier this year from a sudden injury, while recuperating in the hospital - OK - it was a head injury ward, where I ended up after the life support machine, the brain surgery, and a week in the I.C.U......
Also I was on a little medication, but still.....
I had the strangest feeling that I knew every single stranger I met for weeks afterward as though I had known them their whole life.

Try that on for wierd, it went on that way for quite a while....till all the medication was out of my system anyway.
Go figure?

Now then....do we ever even have a single truly original thought?
Well, to tell you the truth I never really thought about it.:bugeye:
I don't like the way something about that sounds, now you mention it.



I said I didn't like the sound of "not having an original thought".....but I don't have to like it, just learn how to live with it.
If you run this line to it's ultimate conclusion, (and I have thought about it, I was just trying to joke a little).....on a more serious note, you'd better have an anchor, an ultimate to discern by.
Because you really don't have a thought coming....remember that, and don't allow yourself to be persuaded otherwise.

No doubt we can have original thoughts. I do it all the time, especially when I dream. I often wake up and say to myself: "Where did that thought come from?"

But has already been alluded to, and as Einstein once said in more-or-less similar words: A Great Mind stands on the shoulders of others who came before him. Still, is this not an original thought? Albeit influenced by those who have existed before us?

I'll mention this while on the subject, I had almost forgot it till now.
Shortly after having a NDE (Near Death Experiance) earlier this year from a sudden injury, while recuperating in the hospital - OK - it was a head injury ward, where I ended up after the life support machine, the brain surgery, and a week in the I.C.U......
Also I was on a little medication, but still.....
I had the strangest feeling that I knew every single stranger I met for weeks afterward as though I had known them their whole life.

Try that on for wierd, it went on that way for quite a while....till all the medication was out of my system anyway.
Go figure?

interesting.............

The body is an amazing thing. Sometimes people feel very atune to everything around them and other times not so.

At my grandmothers funeral, I felt like I was watching tv, a series of events taking place that I was not part of. I was totally detached from it all. That felt quite strange too.

No doubt we can have original thoughts. I do it all the time, especially when I dream. I often wake up and say to myself: "Where did that thought come from?"

But has already been alluded to, and as Einstein once said in more-or-less similar words: A Great Mind is that who stands on the shoulders of others who have come before him. Still, is this not an original thought? Albeit influenced by those who have existed before us?

nope, a few people probably had it before and simultaneously and afterwards also.

nope, a few people probably had it before and simultaneously and afterwards also.


Speaking of simultaneous thoughts coming to people, the answer begs the question..."from where"?

Lets take the Nazi scientists so prized by both the Soviets and the U.S. after WWII, Werner Vaun-Braun and his associates without whom there would have been no Saturn-5 for the Apollo trip to the moon.
They developed jet engines, rocket power, and most of what we today call ufo's which just use a more secret and powerful form of propulsion.
(They once promoted an intentional failure - the Avro-Car, to cancel the project and keep the public funds and successful research gained from them a secret.)
This has become a tried and true method over the years...talk about not having an original thought!!!

Anybody know what really happened to our space shuttle replacement and the billions spent to develop it called the VentureStar, that they supposedly scraped in 2001 because of a "fuel tank problem"?
I worked at both Boeing and Raytheon, and with a computer connected to a defence contractor intra-net, from behind their firewall, I was following this project every step of the way.
It was about 90% assembled and practically ready to fly.
Was anyone shown the cut-up pieces of the VentureStar prototype called the X-33?
Thought not.
They just pulled the black curtain at Skunk Works, Lockheed Martin's advanced development programs facility, and shut the public out, which had until that point been allowed access for the very first time, being that it was funded by public money through NASA.....
Back to our "thought".....

Was any of this because of "original thoughts"?
No, not hardly....
If you research beyond the mainstream status qou you'll find evidence all this has been developed before..."a long, long, time ago".
(Those old songs are hard to get out of your head....I feel one coming on now!)
They recently found a solid gold model of a near perfect representation of an A-6 intruder American jet fighter, in digs of Mayan temples over a thousand years old.
The artifact was used to make a "mock-up", duplicated with more "air-worthy" materials, given an engine and it flew....
I saw it fly.

The Vedas have records of dozens of intricate flying machines and even descibes nuclear weapons and fallout that were used in a war that destroyed the earth about four or five thousand years ago.
Robert Oppenheimer believed it enough to quote this passage from it when the atom bomb was tested in 1945 saying;
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
Sodom and Gomorrah once existed in the lush valley of Sidom.
It's now coastal property of something we call the Dead Sea.
I tried telling the famous explorer and author Graham Hancock, that the Great Pyramid wasn't of Egyptian origin a few years ago, that it was older.

"He said that the music wouldn't play"....

At some point when you become accepted by everyone...you just become part of the problem.

"And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken"

The same voices that whispered their deadly secrets and wiped all knowledge clean to start again so long ago, are the same ones still around today whispering to the scientists at Los Alamos, and Livermore....first they gave the world atomic weapons,
now they just finished up the "Human Genome Project" there.
I guess, somebody is still trying to live forever.
You see, it's nothing new.
It's some of the oldest knowledge there is, it's the same power that keeps that big furnace in the sky warming this rock day after day.
Doesn't any big machine require a "maintenance man" somewhere to keep the thing running.
And they thought it was their genius that invented it for the first time.
Get a grip.

There's "no honor among thieves"...right?"
Would you expect demons to be any more trust worthy?
Lets try this as just one possible scenario for a moment...can we?

After using these unbelieving scientists as their fools, they can engineer hosts with increased longevity to possess, they have ships to transport their "hosts" and after killing the very scientists they used, the weapons to wipe this rock clean and leave behind no witnesses, so no one is the wiser.
Then it starts again.
This is a war.
You may not have known that.

Remember we were warned not to take from a certain tree once.....and a voice said "there's nothing to that, with this power you'll be like gods"....

All things tend to stay in motion unless acted upon by some outside force...that's inertia.
We needed some outside force to come and help us break free, and He did...when we didn't deserve it.
We now have this one life to lend our influence to help others and maybe make a difference in the outcome of everyone our lives touch.
Will we choose to be part of the problem, or the solution?

The power to make that choice is the one thought we do have coming.