Archeological finds have found that the Book of Exodus was remarkably accurate in its telling, apart from the fact that its supposed dates are some 400 years out. It actually took place around the year 2000BC. Moses, an extremely literate man had been educated by the Egyptian court. It is supposed that it was he who actually wrote the Book of Exodus. The plagues are supposedly sent by Moses to punish the intransigence of the Egyptians. But where they? In 2000BC the volcanic island of Santorini exploded with such force that virtually the whole island was destroyed. Egypt was bombarded with "fire and brimstone" at exactly the same time - which in turn gave way to the "dust" and also the darkening of the skies. A plague of frogs was also reported in Exodus; just the same as in the USA following the eruption of Mount St Helens. Naturalists reported an explosion in the frog population. Flies have always been a problem in Egypt when the time of the Nile floods. Their proliferation is immense. When Moses was supposed to lead the people of Israel across the Red Sea it was in fact, according to the original Hebrew - across the Yam Suph - which means in Hebrew Sea of Reeds - NOT the Red Sea. The Yam Suph is in fact a region to the north of the Red Sea between the Red Sea and the Nile Delta. When the tidal wave crossed the Mediterranean Sea, it was immediately preceeded by a massive withdrawal of water before the tidal wave crossed the coast and drowned the Yam Suph. In 1940, the same volcano erupted and eye witnesses on the Island of Crete described the coast emptying of water to such an extend that the fish could be seen jumping about on the sea bed, then the 10 foot high tidal wave hit the coast. Also, pumice stone from Santorini has been found on Crete, on top of a 300 foot hill, and also in the Yam Suph. Pumice is to heavy to be carried by air, but it WILL float on water. Moses arrived at the "Mountain of God", supposed by many to mean Mount Sinai. It was in fact Mount Kharkom (spelling may be wrong) which is on the present Egypt - Israeli border. The name means "Mountain of God" - and is flat topped, like a plateau. At the base of this mountain has been found a 2000BC settlement but most remarkably, a twelve stone altar - just as described in Exodus. Also, to put the icing on the cake so to speak, has been found rock carvings, dated the same, in Hebrew - showing, amongst other things, a depiction of a 10 Commandment type of drawing - what is best described as a double tablet with 10 compartments. It is generally believed amongst archeologists that the Hebrew race at the time could and did write. Their rock carvings are in Hebrew. Moses, having been educated within the Egyptian equivalent of Oxford or Yale, was the most literate. Now here is another shock - unlike Charlton Heston, a caucasian playing Moses in the film, Moses was almost certainly a black man, as he lived all his life in Africa and was therefore of that race. The reasons why that is accepted have not been found by me but accepted nevertheless. The Plagues of Egypt were caused by by the volcanic eruption of Santorini, not by any divine hand and the parting of the Red Sea never took place - it was much further north in the Yam Suph, the Sea of Reeds. The original Hebrew text bears this out, it was only translation that screwed it up, Suph being mistaken for Red not Reed. Finally, the Egyptian Pharoah Akehaten; displaced the multi god culture of the time with a single god worship - the god RA - the sun. This is preceding Moses. He wrote a poem to the sun god which has been found in a recently discovered city in the desert, carved on some pillars. It is the same virtually word for word as some lines in the bible (sorry, cannot remember where in the Book of Psalms) but was written BEFORE the alleged biblical version. The words have been amended by whoever wrote the biblical version to reflect the scribes views and not those of an Egyptian Pharaoh. Could this have been Moses "one god" approach? :rolleyes:

I have seen that as well RD, thanks for posting it. It correctly shows that God was not a magician waveing a wand but the power that is life and creation (the earth) itself. It also points to the fact that Moses was in fact well educated and retained that learning after years away from Pharoahs house and did in fact still have that knowledge when He wrote the Bible.

I'm not surprised that Taken would agree with that, since it disagrees with the Bible.

Bad news for both of you...

The real Mt. Sinai was found some time ago, and in Arabia, like the Bible says.
(I realize that galls you, Taken, but the Bible does say it is in Arabia)
Not only that, to get there from Egypt one crosses the Red Sea, not the Reed sea.

Great piece of fiction, though.
I guess since science has science fiction, it is only fitting that religion would have religious fiction.

Of course, the frog thing might be true, since God can do anything he wants.

Tony while you are looking at your spanish bible and your english bible try looking at the Hebrew text..it does NOT say the Red Sea..THAT is a FACT! You saying Moses was wrong?
These findings do not go against the Scriptures they go against the KJV.
Mount Kharkom has around its base the ruins of encampments that can be dated to the correct time, on top it holds twelve stones sat up side by side just as Moses described the alter He built and on one of those stones is engraved the image of stone tablets divided in to exactly ten sections that also can be dated to the correct time. That is the mountain Moses described and the proof on it can be scientifically proven. You doubt that meare men could have made a mistake when first looking for the mountain of God?

Science comes up with a lot of bullshit answers to things.

This is one of the many.

That's quite a strecth to say that it was just a coincidence that 10 plauges happened just when Moses wanted them too.

"Mount Kharkom has around its base the ruins of encampments that can be dated to the correct time, on top it holds twelve stones sat up side by side just as Moses described the alter He built and on one of those stones is engraved the image of stone tablets divided in to exactly ten sections that also can be dated to the correct time. That is the mountain Moses described and the proof on it can be scientifically proven."

That's a new one to me. Got pictures?

Ben

Thats just it Kalvin, it wasn't just coincidence. Scientists can prove that the plagues did in fact happen. As well as the smoke that turned day in to night and the tidal wave that would have in fact been large enough to part the Sea of Reeds. There is even archeological evidence among Egyption finds that also refer to these things happening. The fact that Moses knew they would happen before they did is evidence that he could only have known if in fact he had been told by God.

There are in fact pictures...the documentary is called "Who was Moses" and in it they take you to the mountain and you see the altar, engraveings and looking down from it you can clearly see the remains of the encampments. The mountains Hebrew name litterally translates to "The Mountain of God". When men first looked for the Mt they chose Sinia because it was the tallest and covered in clouds. There is no archeological evidence on Mt Sinia.

I watched this all in Discovery Channel some months ago.
This I beleive is the truth, not some idialized christian version.
And when we have proof, christian fundies can say all they want, no use in listening them anyway.

Thank You. Science has in this and many other instances found proof that backs up what was "originally" written. Instead of seeing this as a wonderfull thing, Christians get their knickers all in a knot because it disclaims the KJV Bible. Then they reject science and proclaim it of the devil. When will we ever wake up and smell the ruins? Moses wasn't wrong...the egyptian historians weren't wrong...science isn't wrong...the KJV is wrong!

*Originally posted by Taken
try looking at the Hebrew text..it does NOT say the Red Sea..THAT is a FACT! You saying Moses was wrong?*

No, I'm saying YOU are wrong.

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probably of Egyptian origin; TWOT - 1479; n m
AV - Red 24, flags 3, weeds 1; 28
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*Mount Kharkom has around its base the ruins of encampments that can be dated to the correct time, on top it holds twelve stones sat up side by side just as Moses described the alter He built and on one of those stones is engraved the image of stone tablets divided in to exactly ten sections that also can be dated to the correct time. That is the mountain Moses described and the proof on it can be scientifically proven. You doubt that meare men could have made a mistake when first looking for the mountain of God? *

Jabal al-Lawz in Arabia, which is where the Bible says Mt. Sinai is located, has the burned top.

And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
(Exodus 19:18, KJV).

A little distance away is the split rock which Moses struck to give water to 2 million or so Israelites.
To get there from Egypt, one crosses the Red sea, not the reed sea, and where they crossed are the Egyptian chariots at the bottom.

Check here (http://www.baseinstitute.org/sinai_photos.html)

The same discovery program that I watched, and made notes, is obviously the same that these others have seen. The cameras were on top of Mount Sinai, no burnt top! And at the other, correct, Mountain of God, the top plateau is empty, down below, is the settlement and with it the 12 stone altar, minus its top, if it ever had one. Yes, I saw it in living colour on my tv last night. The settlement, the altar, everything. Dated 2000BC. Pictures are there for all to see, if my spelling is correct of this mountain, try typing it into a search engine, you may not want to believe what you see but it is FACT.

Tony - I never for one minute expected you to believe anything I write so why change now? Your grasp of the geographical region is sadly lacking. I can cross the Sea of Reeds from Egypt, into Arabia and on into Israel right now if I wanted - so why could it not be done then? Yam Suphr (whatever spelling?) existed then, exists now. And, by the way, the eminent archaeologist who explained this in great detail, was an Italian Catholic. As correctly stated before, it does not contradict the Bible, Scriptures, Hebrew or otherwise, it only contradicts the KJV. Which, as I stated in a different mail, was written according to the particular beliefs at THAT time and not a literal translation. There is none so blind that can not see - and you, Tony, have the least sight of all. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

*Originally posted by Red Devil
Tony - I never for one minute expected you to believe anything I write so why change now? Your grasp of the geographical region is sadly lacking. I can cross the Sea of Reeds from Egypt, into Arabia and on into Israel right now if I wanted - so why could it not be done then? Yam Suphr (whatever spelling?) existed then, exists now. And, by the way, the eminent archaeologist who explained this in great detail, was an Italian Catholic. As correctly stated before, it does not contradict the Bible, Scriptures, Hebrew or otherwise, it only contradicts the KJV. Which, as I stated in a different mail, was written according to the particular beliefs at THAT time and not a literal translation. There is none so blind that can not see - and you, Tony, have the least sight of all. *

Thanks for your concern about the state of my vision.

As I understand it, the Reed sea is quite shallow.

Thus, in explaining away one miracle, parting the Red Sea, you replace it with a much bigger and stranger miracle.

How do you drown the entire Egyptian Army in a foot of water?

withdrawal of water before the tidal wave crossed the coast and drowned the Yam Suph :rolleyes:

How did the chariot wheels end up in thousands of feet of water then?

You can't say they were washed out by the tidal wave, since the Israelites saw the Egyptians on the sea shore after they were drowned.

If the wheels were washed away, why weren't the Egyptians?

Just too many miracles to explain.

Tony this expedition involved seperate studys by Theologians as well as scientist who do not hold to a great religouse belief. It was as unbias as any I have yet to see. As you can see a believer such as I and even an unbeliever such as RD are convinced that the findings themselves are legitimate. Here once again is science able to PROVE that what Moses wrote is in fact backed up by more than credible evidence and you reject it. That makes no sense to me. All of the current Biblical scholars agree that the Red Sea was in fact a typo, and not the intention of the original translators. There are several bodys of water surrounding the area which are known as Seas of Reeds. The tidal wave they can accuratly prove was more than able to completely clear the sea bed for crossing and upon returning more than enormouse enough to kill Pharoas army. It was also believed that Pharoa had but a few chariots untill archeologists uncovered stables of capacity to hold the hundreds of horses Moses spoke of. Once again proving that Moses was in fact correct and our earlier "experts" had been wrong.

This is precisely why I think Tony1 is a fake and a charlatan. I actually prove that something in the bible is TRUE and still he argues against it. If I told him I believed in his god - he would disagree! As I am no longer replying to that pratt, you may take up the sword! :rolleyes:

4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.

Pretty difficult to "sink" in a foot of water.

29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

A wall on BOTH sides of them. And DRY LAND too. What part of a tidal wave makes a wall on two sides and leaves a dry path inbetween?

"And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them."

By no means does this scientific bullshit match the account in Exodus.

It's ironic you call yourself "taken" when you so often appear to be by every lame "scientific" explaination that comes your way.

Ben

Castles in the air are so easy to take refuge in, and easy to build too As is the blinding of logic and clearly seen answers, even when it actually agrees with the bible.:rolleyes: Kalvin of course is right, whilst every distinguished archaeologist and theologian is wrong!

I don't know what you read but no where does your account agree with the Bible.

Tidals waves don't form a wall on the left and the right with dry land down the middle which large numbers of people can pass through before it comes back down.

"Kalvin of course is right, whilst every distinguished archaeologist and theologian is wrong!"

What "every" and "distinguished" would those be? It's obvious from the Biblical text that anyone who believes such rubbish is neither distriquished nor "every" as not "every"one who is in those fields has those views. There's a scientific explaination for the Red Sea as well except that much wind would send every one who tried to go through flying.

It's a miracle and science will never explain it.

Ben

You would be right RD, seeings as I am a believer and they dispute that.
Kalvin I am not taken up by every scientific idea...only willing to look at and consider that which is credible and shows me some evidence for reason. The fact of the matter is the seas of reeds are of varying depths...where do you get a foot of water? The tidal wave they spoke of is of proportions unseen before or since, traveling at 400 to 500 miles per hour.
God is not a circus performer or an illusionist. He created the earth and every detail in it's perfect workings is by His hand not a mistake. Why would He not do His work by the controll of His own creation as opposed to the magic wand effect? Therefor there is no reason for me to believe that what He does or has done would not be evident in the earth itself. The flood of Noahs time was by something as natural as rain was it not? Why would the parting of the water not be a tidal wave?
To say that Gods works are unprovable by science is ridiculouse of you believe God is in fact real? If God is real then He is a fact and He can't be disproved.
You and Tony really think that every Theologian, Hebrew scholar, scientist, and archeologist; even those who are in fact believers and lovers of God are just wrong and somehow you two who know nothing except what you have read in one man-made translation are the final authority on such great matters? Have you seen the mountain? Have you dug thru the ruins? Have you learned Hebrew? Are you expert historians? You haven't even watched the documentary to see what it is you are discounting.
Why wouldn't a true Christian be overjoyed to see the evidence uncovered so that many who had previously not believed would now believe?

"You and Tony really think that every Theologian, Hebrew scholar, scientist, and archeologist;"

Not "every" believes this crap. Saying so, doesn't make it so. You show me a tidal wave that forms a wall on the right and on the left and leaves dry land in the middle, and then you get back to me. What translation are you using that doesn't have that detail?

Prove scientifically how Jesus turned water into wine or feed 5000 with a couple fish and loaves of bread. Prove scientifically how he healed the leapers and others with no medicine. Prove scientifically how he walked on water. Prove scientifically how spit and mud cures blindness. Prove scientifically how fire burns water soaked rocks. Prove scientifically how sandals can last undamaged for 40 years.

God isn't limited to the rules of nature. In fact it's quite apparent in every translation that he breaks them quite often. From you lack of verses to support anything you say, it's not surprising you'd either miss or willfully ignore verses to the contrary of what you say pretending no one will notice.

Ben

No Kalvin my God does not break the laws of nature...He controlls them. Nature is His creation and He is under no authority or rules of it or anything else.
Many a doctor has stood in awe of a miraculouse healing and known it was of God. Does the fact that they spend their lives trying to help and bring relief to sick people the best way they know how make them of the devil? "Every GOOD thing is from God." He gave us plants that in fact heal, He gave these men we call Doctors the gift of knowledge. He never insinuated that we should be ignorant of such things.

"No Kalvin my God does not break the laws of nature...He controlls them"

So you can scientifically prove all the miracles of God? Let me see you do it. Modern science has tools. Jesus did what modern science is just beginning to do (like cure blindless) but WITHOUT tools or medicine.

Can a person be raised from the dead by simply calling his name? Or was Jesus just a sick person who made a puppet of Lazarus and was just pulling strings?

Is it natural to walk on water? Or do you think Jesus had floaties or was walking on the shallow end?

So if your God doesn't break the laws of nature and the Biblical God does, what does that say about your God?

Ben

Oh so now you are takeing control of the natural world from God? Is it not His creation and subject to Him? Saying He has to break the laws assumes that they are someone elses rule that He must over power.
Yes Jesus said all things are possible to those who just believe, but I don't recall Him or God ever relinquishing control of the earth to another force.
Just watch the documentary and take it as you will or don't and stay ignorant to all things if you wish. It is after all your free choice. If you would rather not be aware of or privy to the MANY MANY miraculouse workings and wonders of God then by all means feel free to cheat yourself out of them.

Jesus did what modern science is just beginning to do (like cure blindless) but WITHOUT tools or medicine.
With one important exception, modern science can be proven, Jesus cannot.
So if your God doesn't break the laws of nature and the Biblical God does, what does that say about your God?
First of all, it's not known that Jesus did any of these things in the first place, or even if he even existed. So it's a bit early to jump to conclusions. Second, walking on water and bringing people back from death is not breaking the laws of nature. In fact, we can bring people back from death today, although it does take more than just calling the person's name.

Breaking the laws of nature would be something more along the lines of creating energy, or moving an object at the speed of light.

"Oh so now you are takeing control of the natural world from God? Is it not His creation and subject to Him? Saying He has to break the laws assumes that they are someone elses rule that He must over power. "

What are you talking about?

Breaking a law simply requires there be a law in the first place. It doesn't matter who set it up. Sin is breaking of a moral law. There's nothing immoral about walking on water. It just goes against the law of nature stating that water can't hold people up.

Ben

*Originally posted by Taken
The tidal wave they can accuratly prove was more than able to completely clear the sea bed for crossing and upon returning more than enormouse enough to kill Pharoas army.*

The catch is, there was no tidal wave.

And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
(Exodus 14:21, KJV).

*Originally posted by Red Devil
I actually prove that something in the bible is TRUE and still he argues against it.*

You were arguing for a tidal wave when the Bible says east wind.

*Originally posted by KalvinB
It's ironic you call yourself "taken" when you so often appear to be by every lame "scientific" explaination that comes your way. *

I don't think she actually believes the Bible.

*Originally posted by Taken
You would be right RD, seeings as I am a believer and they dispute that.*

To qualify as a believer, one has to believe the truth.
It isn't enough to believe any old thing.

*The tidal wave they spoke of is of proportions unseen before or since, traveling at 400 to 500 miles per hour. *

Those Israelites could sure walk fast to keep up with that.

*The flood of Noahs time was by something as natural as rain was it not? *

Nope.

Rain, plus...

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
(Genesis 7:11, KJV).

*somehow you two who know nothing except what you have read in one man-made translation are the final authority on such great matters?*

Aside from the fact that I use about twenty translations, you don't even use one.
Have you ever read the Bible?

*"Every GOOD thing is from God."*

Is it a good thing to spends months in a hospital bed?

*He gave these men we call Doctors the gift of knowledge.*

No, he didn't.
People called "doctors" usually just give each other pieces of paper with "doctor" written on them.

*Originally posted by Xelios
With one important exception, modern science can be proven, Jesus cannot.*

When medical science gets hold of someone, it can definitely be proven that they will suffer pain and long hospital stays.
When Jesus gets hold of someone, they are healed.

why does God need to brake his own laws Ben?
Maybe he was not the one who created them?

No...I believe in and worship God...you two worship the KJV. It might do one good to realize that the KJV was NOT the inspired word of God but a mans interpretation of it.
As for your "breaking up" Tony...it does seem reasonable to me that with such great rain the waters would overflow their banks.....sounds like a flood to me.
You two just argue for the sake of doing so...If I told you Jesus had returned and was standing behind you, and He really was...you would miss it just because you were so predetermined to argue my being wrong at all costs.

I seek the truth as God commanded and believe it...You on the other hand just believe what the church has told you your entire life and except it as truth.

To help your ignorance you may want to know that a tidal wave traveling that fast would require the water to first withdrawl back hundreds of miles...then proceed back as an extreamly large wall of water, thereby clearing the ocean floor and keeping it clear for a significant amount of time. But that knowledge would require some basic science and since you think science, knowledge, and the laws of nature all belong to some omnipotent demonic force, it would not interest you.

Red Devil or Taken,

Would you prehaps have a link that I might be able to read more about this?

I can give you a web page where the documentary can be ordered, but if you have the Discovery Chanel, or the Learning chanel...you can search to see when they will air it again.

http://www.moviesunlimited.com/goto/043875.asp

*Originally posted by Taken
No...I believe in and worship God...you two worship the KJV.*

Oh no, the dreaded bibliolatry accusation!
What God do you believe in?
You don't even bother to read the letter he wrote to you, so you can't know the one who inspired the Bible.

*As for your "breaking up" Tony...it does seem reasonable to me that with such great rain the waters would overflow their banks.....sounds like a flood to me.*

You seem strangely unaware of what a fountain is.
It's like rain, but upside down.

*you would miss it just because you were so predetermined to argue my being wrong at all costs.*

Nowhere near "all costs."
Besides, you're the one trying to tell us the we're wrong.
I'm merely trying to get you to realize all the Bible verses you have so obviously missed.
I think Ben's trying to do the same.

*I seek the truth as God commanded and believe it...You on the other hand just believe what the church has told you your entire life and except it as truth.*

Hellloooooooo! Taken!
You don't know what God commanded because you've never read it.
Besides, my church has a strong tendency to tell me the same kind of stuff that you're telling me, and for the same reason.
They don't read the Bible, either.

*To help your ignorance you may want to know that a tidal wave traveling that fast would require the water to first withdrawl back hundreds of miles...then proceed back as an extreamly large wall of water, thereby clearing the ocean floor and keeping it clear for a significant amount of time. But that knowledge would require some basic science and since you think science, knowledge, and the laws of nature all belong to some omnipotent demonic force, it would not interest you. *

That explanation is for sure demonic, since there were 2 walls of water.

And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
(Exodus 14:22, KJV).

Maybe your left hand is on the same side as your right, making one side, but other people are arranged differently.
They have right and left on opposite sides of their bodies, making 2 sides.

nah, that second wall was just put in later, to show tht God was even myghtier thn they saw it was.
A lot of things in the bible are put in, so tht god and those who followed him look mygtier, better, stronger, sainter thn they really were.

[couldn't resist to view, wht tony replyed to this topic:)]

*Originally posted by Avatar
nah, that second wall was just put in later, to show tht God was even myghtier thn they saw it was.
A lot of things in the bible are put in, so tht god and those who followed him look mygtier, better, stronger, sainter thn they really were.

[couldn't resist to view, wht tony replyed to this topic:)] *

So, which one of your arms was put in later to show how mighty God was?
Better yet, which half of your brain was put in later?

Naturally, you will have manuscript evidence showing "tidal wave" in place of "east wind" prior to the change?
You will also have evidence of some manuscripts claiming the wall was on the right side only and some claiming the left side only, prior to the change?

Or perhaps, people had both arms on the same side back in the early days so that no manuscript change was necessary?

Sorry about delay, working Xmas then ill! One of Tony1's god given diseases (bacteria!!!). I copied it down watching a Discovery TV program called Who was Moses? I will check for you and get back. In the meantime check out the discovery tv sites - don't forget www.discoveryeurope.com (I think).:rolleyes:

So, which one of your arms was put in later to show how mighty God was?
Better yet, which half of your brain was put in later?

You are wasting your time Avatar - any question you ask that pratt, that he can't answer - is answered by some remark from the innards of his rectum.

He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder


:rolleyes:

Oh poor Tony...I have read my Bible...many many times. I am also aware of some seriouse inconsistancies in it.
Like it says creation was completed in 7 days...Moses did NOT write that...it says the Red Sea was parted...Moses did NOT write that either. It refers to Jehovah as God and Lord...also NOT Moses' words.
Was God in error..I think not. But the men who translated it were NOT divinly inspired and as to my knowledge did not claim to be. Therefor one must include the measure of human error in understanding and the limitations of our language to fully embody the Hebrew language succesfully. Ever notice that Jews, namely Isrealites tend to scoff at science a lot less than Christians? Could it be that they have a fuller understanding of the truth. Since they are aware of what God REALLY said.

As you may know from previous threads on the bible; the question of translation has cropped up dozens of times. To be a religious person and to believe in the bible is all well and good BUT to be religious AND believe in the bible AS THE written word is wrong. By all means believe in the bible if that is what you want to do, but to quote it as the ABSOLUTE FACT is wrong. As recently mentioned the KJ version of the bible was rewritten again and again, heaven knows how many drafts, before someone "in authority" agreed with it. As god was on vacation at the time, someone here on Earth decided that will do for the facts! Moses wrote down the book of Exodus, on parchment, with a thick stylus. These got torn, worn, rewritten, replaced for ages and ages until copied by somebody into english/latin/italian/spanish etc etc then into american english, different spelling etc etc. For those of you out there to follow the literal way of the bible - you are probably doing life in the "pen" for idolatory, bigamy, prostitution, murder, etc etc. :rolleyes:

"Like it says creation was completed in 7 days...Moses did NOT write that...it says the Red Sea was parted...Moses did NOT write that either. It refers to Jehovah as God and Lord...also NOT Moses' words."

Care to back any of that up Taken with original texts?

As for mistranslated, that's complete "I want to believe what I want to believe it says" BS which leads quickly to false damnable doctrines such as happened and still happens in the LDS church which bases it's entire system of beliefs on the Bible being mistranslated.

The OT we have is 1000 years younger than the Dead Sea Scrolls and yet is still doctrinally identical to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Maybe God isn't asleep after all.

Ben

*Originally posted by Taken
Oh poor Tony...I have read my Bible...many many times. I am also aware of some seriouse inconsistancies in it.
Like it says creation was completed in 7 days...Moses did NOT write that...it says the Red Sea was parted...Moses did NOT write that either. It refers to Jehovah as God and Lord...also NOT Moses' words.*

You really don't know what part is the Bible and what part isn't, do you?
First of all, where in the Bible does it say Moses wrote anything other than the tablets of parchment?
Second, creation didn't take 7 days, and it doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible that it did.
It took six days.

*Was God in error..I think not.*

So far, and this is just between you and me and the internet, I think you're in error.

*But the men who translated it were NOT divinly inspired and as to my knowledge did not claim to be. Therefor one must include the measure of human error in understanding and the limitations of our language to fully embody the Hebrew language succesfully.*

While you're busy measuring human error, I'll be studying the Bible.

*Ever notice that Jews, namely Isrealites tend to scoff at science a lot less than Christians? Could it be that they have a fuller understanding of the truth. Since they are aware of what God REALLY said. *

Now that you mention it, I HAVE noticed that.
Here's why it is...

The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
(Deuteronomy 29:3,4, KJV).

*Originally posted by Red Devil
To be a religious person and to believe in the bible is all well and good BUT to be religious AND believe in the bible AS THE written word is wrong.*

Since our option is to do that or believe in your post AS THE written word, our choice is to do that.

*By all means believe in the bible if that is what you want to do, but to quote it as the ABSOLUTE FACT is wrong.*

My choice is to reject (nothing personal) your post as the ABSOLUTE FACT.
Thus, I am left with the Bible as absolute fact.