Arafat under siege-- right wingers cheer

Apparently the Israelis are trying to drive him out of his compound. The only real talk radio stations we have where I live (and where Tiassa lives, he lies about where he lives and I know this because I see him every Tuesday) are run by right-wing idiots who enjoy talking about how Arabs are evil and we should kill them all, or that we should kick all immigrants out of our country, etc. and generally the only callers they let on their show are people who agree with them, occasionally they bring on the voice of dissent.

These people are saying he's a terrorist-- where are the bombs he's planted? He didn't plant any? Shouldn't he be dead from those airplanes he drove into buildings? Oh wait, he didn't do that. Shouldn't he be dead from all those suicide-homicide bombings? Err... he didn't do that either. As far as I know, and as far as anybody has proof right now, Arafat sees terrorism in his region as guerilla war against Israel because they have no other option, it's the only way they can make a dent. They can't get anywhere near significant military or government targets, weapons storehouses, etc.

Now you may be asking why they would do this in the first place. Well, first of all, the Israelis are doing it to them, not only killing their fighters but many innocent civilians as well, far more than the Palestinians themselves have killed in Israel. Also are the hundreds of young boys that have been shot, usually killed, for throwing small rocks at Israeli tanks and shouting.

Why can Israelis get weapons from the US if the Palestinians can't get them from Iran? This makes no sense.

The thing is, the Palestinians were leading fairly normal opressed lives until they were about to get independence, then what's this? The Jews from Europe want half our land? Ehh... The thing is, while people say that they should just move since the area is so small compared to the rest of the Arab world, what would you do if Kyrghiz immigrants decided to build their house over yours, take your city as their own? Would you just move to somewhere else in your large nation? Assuredly there are plenty of places you can go where the language and culture are the same. What's this? That's YOUR home? Well then, too bad! Their ancestors lived their over 1000 years ago, then the Romans stole it from them, and then the Arabs from them. But now they get to move back because they need a homeland? Uhm... no. You only get to make your homeland in a place where others are living if they consent, if they don't you must live alongside them in THEIR nation, share your nation with them as a minority. I can't believe nobody saw a war coming! Of course a war was inevitable! People go around saying that it's OK that Israel occupied Palestinian land because Arabs attempted to overtake Israeli lands as declared in the UN partition plan. But the UN plan wasn't fair at all, I'm sure anybody else would do the same if immigrants were suddenly demanding their own country.

What if Mexican immigrants to the US got awarded half the nation by the UN? Would Americans just accept it? Oh sure, you guys can have my land, I'll move to the American half and you guys can have your Mexican-American homeland. No, you'd fight for it, there would be a war. DUH.

 

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Arafat is a terrorist. Proof - part of the money for the ship that was cought full of weapons and ammo came from his account.

Arabs have been living here for hundreds of years, right? When the first Jewish settlers arrived, the land of Israel was full of swamps and deserts and occasional small Arabic villages scattered around.
The Jews dried the swamps, built cities, villages, planted trees, fields, all that in terrible conditions. At the beginning of the century small Jewish groups such as "Nili" and "Bilu", with not more than 30 peopel in each, spied on the Turkish government for the British and helped them to conquer the land. They did all that because they wanted that land. The land was eventually given to them by the UN in 1948 and just in 50 years the Israelis have built a prospering country with leading technological achievements, one of the strongest armies in the world and an enormous infrastructure. Why couldn't the arabs that lived here before for so many years do that?

 

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The reason the Israelis were able to build their country up the way it is has everything to do with the U.S. paying for it. The U.S. pays for Israel because to them Israel is a forward deployed nuclear base which keeps all of the middle eastern countries on edge.

 

Well said John. Israelis are living on american tax payers. Israel was build and still supported by Americans and to some extend brits. I believe the number was some where around 4 billion dollars of military aide to Israel and I repeat Aide not loans or purchase money but aide. Non refundable. Then the cash flow is on top of that. Now people still asks why palestanians were cheering on those attacks? Sick it was but if you were in their shoes? ............. it is just a big question mark. Also Israeli nuclear plan had a green light from usa and other major powers and still every one tend to look away from that but still brag about every other single country in the world.

Just my two cents.

 

Yes John, quite true.

Arafat is a terrorist. Proof - part of the money for the ship that was cought full of weapons and ammo came from his account.

If I recall correctly Israel imports similar weapons from the US and elsewhere? Does that make Sharon a terrorist? Please don't give us BS.

Arabs have been living here for hundreds of years, right? When the first Jewish settlers arrived, the land of Israel was full of swamps and deserts and occasional small Arabic villages scattered around.

I don't really seem to recall this, I'd like it if you quoted sources, but so what? People lived there. PEOPLE LIVED THERE. I don't care if they weren't "using the land to the fullest extent possible", they lived there and not "occasional"ly, there were so many that if all those who were forced to leave were allowed back today, the Jews would become a minority. What does this say to you? That it was 99% desert with 5 Arabs living in the whole place? I think not! There was Hebron, Jericho, etc, while there may not have been Tel Aviv, there was certainly a nation. Maybe the Jews should've taken Malaysian Chinese as an example? These people have been living there longer than the Israelis have been in Israel, they are a minority but they do not try to make the land a nation free of Malaysians. They let Malaysians stay in peace, there is almost 0 tension between the races/nationalities, even though the Malaysians are almost all Muslim and the Chinese are Buddhist, Daoist, Kongfuzianist etc.

Please tell me this: Why did Israel have to become Israel and not Palestine with an Israeli minority? And if you want to bring economics into the picture, the Chinese tend to be on the richer end of Malaysian society, like the Israelis.

The Jews dried the swamps, built cities, villages, planted trees, fields, all that in terrible conditions.

What's your point? If you live on land that you don't use, can I cultivate it and grow wonderful crops and then kick you out because my crops are there? You'd kill me!

At the beginning of the century small Jewish groups such as "Nili" and "Bilu", with not more than 30 peopel in each, spied on the Turkish government for the British and helped them to conquer the land. They did all that because they wanted that land.

In fact if you look at history books, Palestinians did similar things to assist the British in the defeat of the Turks, and in fact recieved a promise to land not unlike the Balfour declaration.

The land was eventually given to them by the UN in 1948 and just in 50 years the Israelis have built a prospering country with leading technological achievements, one of the strongest armies in the world and an enormous infrastructure. Why couldn't the arabs that lived here before for so many years do that?

So what? SO FUCKING WHAT? The land was still stolen. I don't care what these people did with the land that they stole or how much they were able to accomplish with their stolen land, they still stole it and that is that.

 

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Arafat is a terrorist. Proof - part of the money for the ship that was cought full of weapons and ammo came from his account.

If I recall correctly Israel imports similar weapons from the US and elsewhere? Does that make Sharon a terrorist? Please don't give us BS.
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Read this.& don't say that it cannot be believed,because I am old enough to know that all these things happened,& I remember reading about them at the time!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29020

 

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>>Read this.& don't say that it cannot be believed,because I am old enough to know that all these things happened,& I remember reading about them at the time!

Duh, I'm fucking aware of Palestinian terrorism, but how is it Arafat's fault? It's like the Saddam story, people suspect something but they have no proof.

Don't forget that Fatah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad have not only military divisions but political divisions. Being a politician, Arafat probably has minimal connections with the Palestinian guerilla military (aka terrorists) and most of his friends lie in the political divisions.

Last time I checked, the number of innocent Palestinians that died was much greater than the number of Israelis, but quite a few people claimed that all 1000-odd of those who contribute to the death count were terrorists. Undoubtedly, some of those people were terrorists, but many of these people were women and children, many babies as well.

To me it doesn't matter how each side tries to go about getting their way, the US has done some pretty unorthodox things as well as has Israel.

 

Duh, I'm fucking aware of Palestinian terrorism, but how is it Arafat's fault? It's like the Saddam story, people suspect something but they have no proof.
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Arafat is the leader of the Terrorists.He almost destroyed Jordan & did destroy Lebanon,so much so that no Palestinian is allowed to own any property in that country any more.
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Last time I checked, the number of innocent Palestinians that died was much greater than the number of Israelis, but quite a few people claimed that all 1000-odd of those who contribute to the death count were terrorists. Undoubtedly, some of those people were terrorists, but many of these people were women and children, many babies as well.
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Do not forget that the Palestinians count all of the Palestinian dead that have been killed by there own bombs & who have been executed by the Palestinian authority as collaborators in the total.

 

Uhh... yeah... we believe everything you say, odin

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I would not do that if I was you GB-Gil.

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Do the Palestine want to be recognized as their own country? Would this stop all the fighting?

This is very true. Even though they were here first, we would get mad if they tried to take the land back. But what we did for the Indians, we gave them reservations to let them rule over each other. Its working fairly well, I dont know what else we could do, other than give them a plot of land and let them call it a country

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Couldnt Israel let the Palestinians rule over each other?

 

Israel built itself. We might have given them some starting cash, but they developed their desert farming technology with their own hands.

Yes we gave them money for their military initially, but as I recall they have now developed and produce their own tanks. Maybe at first we had to

I think you will find that Israel is enjoying NO MORE in forign aid than we are giving out in the Peace Corps, how much we are giving Taiwan in the way of Destroyers and other armarments, no more than we give NATO in military aid, and no more than we are giving Russia in new business and forign aid considering we are paying for their half of the International Space Station.

It's unfair to single out Israel's aid and complain about it. I think you will find that if you were to cut off aid to Israel, they would probably be able to sustain themselves. We give Israel a total of 3 billion in aid anually. That's pocket change compared to Israel's $100 billion a year GNP. (Don't believe me? Ask the NSA)

At any rate, it's truly Brittan which gave Israel to the Jews. We are NOT responsible for that, no matter what the Arabs think. Not to mention, that you have no idea where the Palestineans came from do you? They aren't the same Palestineans who were their a few thousands years ago. The "new" Palestineans are actually refugees who got kicked out of Jordan after an unsuscesful coup to take over that country and call it "Palestein".

 

Britain was also the very first country in the world to ban Jews from their land so "giving" them land seems to be another way of saying 'take that so you wont have to be here - besides this is in fulfilment of God's promise that all Jews would return to Israel.'

 

Of course they didn't want the Jews around. People hate them largely because they are some of the healthiest and most propserous people on the planet.

During the Black Plaque, the Jewish quarter was the only section which by and largely was fairly healthy because of their dietary laws as well as their resourcefulness. Of course, people started killing them off because they were living better.

Typical... we see this happen to the Jews again and again. They become very prosperous, people get jealous and tear them down.

 

I think you will find that Israel is enjoying NO MORE in forign aid than we are giving out in the Peace Corps, how much we are giving Taiwan in the way of Destroyers and other armarments, no more than we give NATO in military aid, and no more than we are giving Russia in new business and forign aid considering we are paying for their half of the International Space Station.

It's unfair to single out Israel's aid and complain about it. I think you will find that if you were to cut off aid to Israel, they would probably be able to sustain themselves. We give Israel a total of 3 billion in aid anually. That's pocket change compared to Israel's $100 billion a year GNP. (Don't believe me? Ask the NSA)

Pocket change? 3 compared to 100 is actually quite a lot. Especially when you're talking about billions, billions can buy quite a it. I'm not complaining that Israel gets more aid that other countries. The US claims to be neutral in this conflict, but there's no aid for the Palestinians. Oh wait, I forgot, there's a very small amount each year, but they can only use it to get work done by US companies... gee...

At any rate, it's truly Brittan which gave Israel to the Jews. We are NOT responsible for that, no matter what the Arabs think. Not to mention, that you have no idea where the Palestineans came from do you? They aren't the same Palestineans who were their a few thousands years ago. The "new" Palestineans are actually refugees who got kicked out of Jordan after an unsuscesful coup to take over that country and call it "Palestein".

No, Britain gave Palestine to the UN, and the UN gave part of it to the Jews. If I recall correctly, the US vote is one of the more influential ones, and the US voted for a Jewish state... gee...

And yes, I do know where they came from... I know of many people (one or two personally) whose families have lived in Palestine for generations. An unsuccessful coup? That never happed, you're a real idiot. There have been Arabs living there for generations, perhaps the unsuccessful coup you are talking about is when Palestinian refugees flooded into Jordan in such high numbers that there are actually more refugees in Jordan than there are Jordanians? So much so that Palestinians aren't allowed to own land in Jordan for fear it will hurt the economy.

Hitler didn't kill Jews from a largely impoverished population because they were better off than him, he just plain hated them.

Oh, and anybody that says that Palestinians want Israel simply because they hate Jews is wrong. Actually, these people have an extremely good reason to hate Jews: the Jews stole their country. As opposed to saying the Jews are responsible for their economic problems, they have a real accusation.

 

WHAT DOES "PALESTINE" MEAN?

It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there.

The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The Philistines were mediterranean people originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts. From the time of Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "Syria Palaestina".

The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina"; which is derived from the Peleshet, (root Pelesh) which was a general term meaning "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea.

The use of the term "Palestinian" for an Arab ethnic group is a modern political creation which has no basis in fact - and had never had any international or academic credibility before 1967.

HOW DID THE LAND OF ISRAEL BECOME "PALESTINE"?

In the First Century CE, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. After the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in the Second Century CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.

The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those
who survived still alive and free left the devastated country, but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities, though the size and conditions of those
communities fluctuated greatly.

THE HISTORY OF PALESTINE

Thousands of years before the Romans invented "Palastina" the land had been known as "Canaan". The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state. After the Exodus from Egypt probably in the Thirteenth Century BCE but perhaps earlier -- , the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan. There they formed first a tribal confederation, and then the biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the post-biblical kingdom of Judea.

From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.)

After the Roman conquest of Judea, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin".

In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina was forced to convert to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture.

In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.

During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces "Palestine" was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations.

THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME

Travelers to Palestine from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins.

Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds
-- English pilgrim in 1590
The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population"
-- British consul in 1857

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction. . . . One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings.

For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee . . .

Nazareth is forlorn . . . Jericho lies a moldering ruin . . . Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature . . .

A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds . . a silent, mournful expanse . . . a desolation . . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . . Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country . . . .

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovely . . .

-- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867
The restoration of the "desolate and unlovely" land began in the latter half of the Nineteenth Century with the first Jewish pioneers. Their labors created newer and better conditions and opportunities, which in turn attracted migrants from many parts of the Middle East, both Arabs and others.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917, confirmed by the League of Nations Mandate, commited the British Government to the principle that "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. . . . " It was specified both that this area be open to "close Jewish settlement" and that the rights of all inhabitants already in the country be preserved and protected.

Mandate Palestine originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, and the territories between them. However, when Great Britain's prot?g? Emir Abdullah was forced to leave the ancestral Hashemite domain in Arabia, the British created a realm for him that included all of Manfate Palestine east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later Jordan.

By this political act, that violated the conditions of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, the British cut more than 75 percent out of the Jewish National Home. No Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan.

Less than 25 percent then remained of Mandate Palestine, and even in this remnant, the British violated the Balfour and Mandate requirements for a "Jewish National Home" and for "close Jewish settlement". They progressively restricted where Jews could buy land, where they could live, build, farm or work.

After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel was finally able to settle some small part of those lands from which the Jews had been debarred by the British. Successive British governments regularly condemn their settlement as "illegal". In truth, it was the British who had acted illegally in banning Jews from these parts of the Jewish National Home.


WHO IS A PALESTINIAN?

During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.

British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed -- after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . ." Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900.

The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees".

Casual use of population statistics for Jews and Arabs in Palestine rarely consider how the proportions came to be. One factor was the British policy of keeping out Jews while bringing in Arabs. Another factor was the violence used to kill or drive out Jews even where they had been long established.

For one example: The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua long before it was King David's first capital. In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British -- killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community.

For another example: In 1948, Trans-Jordan seized much of Judea and Samaria (which they called The West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the Old City. They killed or drove out every Jew.

It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so. In contrast, Israel eventually allotted 17 percent of Mandate Palestine has a large and growing population of Arab citizens.

FROM PALESTINE TO ISRAEL

What was to become of "Palestine" after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947. During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on "Palestine".

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it."

-- Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not"

-- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
-- Delegate of Saudi Arabia to the
United Nations Security Council, 1956,

By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948.

During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The "Palestinians" never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it.

Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded, with a charter that proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would "not begrudge" the Jews the "little notch" promised to them.

[Some of the material cited above is drawn from the book From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters.].

Source: This essay is from the 15 February issue of "Time to Speak", except the paragraphs from "Is Jordan Palerstine...1967" was contributed later to EretzYisroel.Org

By Joseph E. Katz
Middle Eastern Political and Religious History Analyst
Brooklyn, New York

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/meaning.html

 

Who gives a god damn? There were people living there! The jews still had no right to take their land, no matter what imaginary land claim they might have made.

 

Who gives a god damn? There were people living there! The Americans still had no right to take their land, no matter what imaginary land claim they might have made.

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