goofy didn't give me a chance to post a discussion question.. so i'll post one
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here (http://www.memri.org/video/index.html) is a bunch of nice videos of hateful sermons and brainwashings from our friends in the Arab world.

this one (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double) shows a 3.5 year old girl, Basmilla, and what a devout Muslim she is. her momma must be proud

this one (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/al-manartv_alshattat_ramadan_excerpt.rm) is my favourite, i think. religious Jews execute a "Talmudic verdict" on a prisoner

this one (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_05.rm&screensize=double) shows the family of a suicide bomber, and other people preparing their families to be shahids. a 12-year-old is saying to his father "why can't i be a shahid? why do my 4 older brothers get to but i can't?"
beautiful family

lots of other movies ... check it out

i was bitching about CNN, FOX and BBC (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34012)... but you know what, they're not that bad

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this is just a small sample. there are plenty of examples of the nonsense being broadcasted in the arab states.

my question is:
how big of a role does this propaganda play in charging people towards hate and terrorism?
and, do you think there could have been peace in the middle east if this nonsense was not broadcasted daily, for decades?

how can the west be friends with such countries?

this demonstrates, at least partially, why the US desparately needs al-Hurra, which is a new pan-arab news network broadcasted from the US's point of view
don't you agree?

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goofy, next time if you don't like my thread, at least give me a chance to modify it before closing it

EXAMPLES OF JEWISH HATE:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/apartheid.jpg



1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001...

More (http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1549863.php).

just check the links i provided, as well as the rest of the site.
and then compare these to the stuff this guy posted, which are nationalistic [questionable] quotes from the past.

1) which are worse?
2) which are current?
3) how widespread are they now?
4) what is the result of the propaganda?

either way.
at least in Israel when and if hateful speech does occur, if the perpetrator is not arrested on incitement charges, then there are people in the press that will condemn the shit out of the speaker.

does that happen in arab countries?

Proud Muslim,

EXAMPLES OF JEWISH HATE:


WITH JUST CAUSE ONE COULD SURMISE.

THE MUSLIM HATE MONGORS ARE OBSCENE AND DEFILE ANY TRUE GOD.

While there might be some arabs who preach hate, the Jews are practicing it on the ground, see these pictures:

http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/jenin.htm

you don't see Israelis posting pictures of dead babies or burned body parts, do you?

...there has been one incident, very very recent, and only 1 i can think of - when during the Hague fence festival there was a bus suicide bombing on that day, there was unedited footage posted. but other than that? zero!
even though this sort of shit may help in the propaganda war, it's just not done. it is demeaning and disgusting and dishonourable and cheap.

when an arab is injured or killed, the 1st thing s/he or their family does, is show it to the cameras (western cameras are the best). before rushing to the hospital, or just being dignified and private about it.
no, let's put the dead body on taxi cabs and parade them all over the town!

PM you are as usual straying away from the topic.
let's talk about the posted topic at hand, aaight? thank you.

Even some rightous Jews admit the Israeli jewish genocide against the palestineans, yet some scumbags are talking about Arab hate !!

http://www.righteousjews.org/title2004b.gif

RighteousJews.org was begun in 2003 as a way to commemorate the memory of those Palestinians who have been, and continue to be depopulated, dispossessed, humiliated, tortured, and murdered in the name of political Zionism and its quest to create a Jewish state in the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River...

http://www.righteousjews.org

Propoganda only works so far eventually it works against those who show it because people realize they are being duped and become angred by being used like puppets by someone.

Westerners began to realize that what arabs are screaming about and what they are doing are two different things. ex: Scearming peace, killing israelies with terrorist acts... Eventually people catch on. Then they ignore what you say completely and judge only by ur actions.

Numbers 4, 10, and 16 are disturbing, but the rest show no hate, only a wish to be left alone, and disrespect for their enemy. That Israeli girl is an orthodox, the most extreme form of Judaism, and not representative of average jews. All your pictures of "massacres" portray a response to equally brutal, and unprovoked violence by Palestinians. Yes, Israel, after enduring many suicide bombings, has decided to react with force, what those pictures do not show is why those people were shot, they provoke soldiers with rocks, what do you expect? The Palestinians are not fighting a righteous battle, they do not seek a homeland, they seek to destroy the jews.

"girls like Basmilla are good Muslims. parents, educate your children to be good Muslims just like her, so they, and the generations to come, will know what true Islam is"

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double

this is not Islam
the phoenomena of suicide bomibings did not start happening until 1995

but it won't go away until this brainwashing stops

meanwhile, another case of IDF officer to be charged in deaths of 4 Palestinians (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/406362.html)

when was the last time this was done in Iran / Syria / Lebanon / PA ?
or at least condemn the violence and hate? (in mosques, and in arabic, and to the masses... not just targeted small audience... not to greedy BBC correspondents)

A cursory search brought up the following, and you can, of course, google more:

Arafat condemning violence 8-9-01 (arafat condemn violence)

Arafat condemns violence 12-17-01 (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/december01/mideast_12-17.html)

Arafat condemns violence 2-08-02 (http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/2002.02.08/wor3.html)

Arafat condemning violence 6-13-03 (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0306/S00196.htm)

Arafat condemning violence 10-4-03 (http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/an/Qmideast-blast.R5y9_DO4.html)

Arafat condemns violence 12-23-03 (http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2003%20News%20archives/December/23n/Arafat,%20Qurei,%20Palestinian%20Factions%20Condem n%20Attack%20on%20Egypt's%20FM%20Maher.htm)

Prominent Palestinians Condemn Suicide Bombings (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/20/1023864469813.html)

Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi (Qatar) (http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article25.shtml)

Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi (Egypt) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1690624.stm)

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1549573.stm)

The Arab-Israeli conflict is never going to be solved by some inane tallying of who has done wrong, and who has not condemned wrongdoing. There may always be a small minority of extremists, but history shows that they are incited to patterns of serial murder, and find their most empowering recruits and supporters, when under oppression. Because Israel is a state, it has the ability and prerogative to act with much more control of extremist elements, much more so than a non-state such as the Occupied Territories, whose infrastructure and leadership is continuously eviscerated by both Israeli and Palestinian antagonists.

there is a huge difference, as i'm sure you'll agree, between
1) paying lip service to NY Times,
and between

2) saying it
a- in arabic
b- to your own masses in all available media
c- repeatedly
d- unconditionally

while arafat and other despots are doing the former, i suggest you check the links i posted at the beginning of the thread for a little reality check.

btw, Morteza Olinqui or whatever his nickname is (an Iranian on sciforums), posted a few months ago that the regime in Iran called the earthquake victims in Bam "terrorists" and that allah has taken his wrath and vengeance on them.

they may condemn "terror" but their "terror" may be something completely different from ours.

* Morteza, if i misunderstood your words, i apologize

another thing, you concentrate on the 'palestinian' media.
1) the sermons that i've linked to are AUTHORIZED BY ARAFAT HIMSELF.. it's not some independant mosque or something.
2) i'm talking here on the arab media in general, not the 'palestinian' specifically

There are moderate Arab voices, and more are desperately needed. But the climate is not right for a network like Al-Hurra: It will be counterproductive, because the political climate is becoming even more extremely polarized by increasingly imperious US foreign policy. Friends of Israel who sincerely wish to encourage moderate Arab thinking readily acknowledge leading Arab moderates, and their influencial expressions condemning terrorism. Apparently, and characteristically for political zionists, you are more interested in facile immoral relativism, in order to deflect criticism of Israeli policy.

you paint all israelis with the same brush
half of the israelis hate the gov't
like in any typical democratic country

but you're absolutely right about one thing - it is for the purpose of deflecting criticism
because the criticism has no value.
although it would have, if it came from a free press without this nonsense (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/al-manartv_alshattat_ramadan_excerpt.rm)

as for arab moderates, they're growing in numbers and that's encouraging
although many Muslim critics of terrorist islamism (http://www.muslim-refusenik.com) are called infidels by their fellow muslims, and are often threatened with death. and these usually occur outside of the middle east.
any moderation inside the middle east is met with certain death.

al-Hurra is way overdue

propaganda is fought with propaganda.. what can i say.
you can't fight with "moral superiority"

although most people in the west (the liberal camp mostly) don't believe so

"you paint all israelis with the same brush"
Where, specifically?

"al-Hurra is way overdue"
It will be ridiculed by its target audience, counterproductive, and a waste of my money.

you don't see Israelis posting pictures of dead babies or burned body parts, do you?

...there has been one incident, very very recent, and only 1 i can think of - when during the Hague fence festival there was a bus suicide bombing on that day, there was unedited footage posted. but other than that? zero!
even though this sort of shit may help in the propaganda war, it's just not done. it is demeaning and disgusting and dishonourable and cheap.

when an arab is injured or killed, the 1st thing s/he or their family does, is show it to the cameras (western cameras are the best). before rushing to the hospital, or just being dignified and private about it.
no, let's put the dead body on taxi cabs and parade them all over the town!

PM you are as usual straying away from the topic.
let's talk about the posted topic at hand, aaight? thank you.


I couldn't agree with this quote more. Just take a look at http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacre...stine/index.htm. This Arab website does nothing but post discusting, violent, disturbing pictures of Palestinians, most of them dead, some with blown off body parts. This is propaganda at it's finest. Without it the Palestinians would have nothing to motivate them. Discusting.

Palestinians in the territories have no need for these pictures: They have the real thing right before their own eyes to motivate them. Hardly anyone there has not witnessed violence first-hand, thousands at a very young and impressionable age. These disgusting images are only so brazenly displayed because Palestinians overwhelmingly feel that the world, and especially the USA, are ignoring their plight.

But at least you are not claiming they are fakes, or disputing that American-supplied weapons in Israeli hands delivered those ugly wounds.

and, do you think there could have been peace in the middle east if this nonsense was not broadcasted daily, for decades?Was there peace before television?

Palestinians in the territories have no need for these pictures: They have the real thing right before their own eyes to motivate them.

and the Israelis don't?

at a very young and impressionable age
indeed (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double)
http://members.rogers.com/9o9/p1.gif
http://members.rogers.com/9o9/p2.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/9o9/p3.jpg

These disgusting images are only so brazenly displayed because Palestinians overwhelmingly feel that the world, and especially the USA, are ignoring their plight.

and the Israeli's don't?

somebody was saying something about a doublestandard...

Was there peace before television?
but anyway, i guess the easy thing would be to dismiss the hateful propaganda i posted in the 1st post as "it's ok. they have a right to do it

if this sort of thing was in any other country outside the despotic M.E, people would be charged with incitement and be gone to jail for a long long time

There will never be peace in the Middle East because Islamic/Arabic leaders do want it and cannot have it. Israel provides them a valuable scapegoat against their own corrupt regimes, to actually have a peace would mean that attention could be focused internally and that would be bad juju. They learned their lessons well from Hitler and the Nazis, or the Czarist pogroms. Use of deception to deflect internal issues and remain in power, therefore foster hate against those who have done nothing to you.

If by some chance that Israel did fall, do you think it would stop there, no way. They would carry it Europe and the US again. You cannot appease those who seek power, it is equivalent of trying to satisfy a child's tantrum for candy by giving them candy, next time they will seek for more. Spain will soon pay a terrible price for giving into that tantrum for the cowardice and weakness their government and people are showing. I am also certain that it is a harbinger of future US attacks prior to the election, with the thoughts that if they can seriously affect European governments, maybe it will work with the US now. No wonder they hope Kerry will win!

Did you know,

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/gungirls.jpg
Israeli childern train for the next kill !

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/capt.1018880365.mideast_israel_palestinians_nn110. JPG
The Israeli army is so brave, it is sending massive tanks to deal with Palestinean kids throwing stones !!

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/2-boyjeninruins.jpg

Look at the resolve of this Palestinian boy as he picks through the rubble looking for his brothers and sisters. America, your money, paid for the tanks and bulldozers that did this. How can you sleep at night knowing that the food on your table did this?

IMPORTANT PICTURE: MODERATOR, DONT DO IT AGAIN, DONT TAKE THIS PICTURE AWAY !! :mad:

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/bush_wails_at_wall.jpeg

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/bush_wails_at_wall.jpeg

"We control America"

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

Palestinians use suicide bombers against people on the bus. Why not use tanks against people actually attacking you, it is called greater application of force so you win.

Oh yah, using tanks against kids throwing stones !! Israel is terrorist state and the world know that.

Prudence would then dictate that you not throw rocks at a guy with a tank, not real difficult. Maybe if the Palestinians stayed out of Israel and quit sending homocide bombers to Israel, the Israelis would stay in Israel. Just a thought.

Did you know,

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/gungirls.jpg
Israeli childern train for the next kill !

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/capt.1018880365.mideast_israel_palestinians_nn110. JPG
The Israeli army is so brave, it is sending massive tanks to deal with Palestinean kids throwing stones !!

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/2-boyjeninruins.jpg

Look at the resolve of this Palestinian boy as he picks through the rubble looking for his brothers and sisters. America, your money, paid for the tanks and bulldozers that did this. How can you sleep at night knowing that the food on your table did this?

IMPORTANT PICTURE: MODERATOR, DONT DO IT AGAIN, DONT TAKE THIS PICTURE AWAY !! :mad:

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/bush_wails_at_wall.jpeg

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/bush_wails_at_wall.jpeg

"We control America"

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

oh how typical
this has even been mentioned twice in this very thread.
the very mentioning of any arab wrongdoing causes them to quickly shift the attention on the Zahyuni to destract their own people and international criticism from their crimes against humanity

some fresh material (http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD68304) from the latest sermon on PA television.

some exerpts:

Jews Had to be Destroyed
...
Jews Seek to Conquer Saudi Arabia
...
We will Fight the Jewish Cancer
...
[t]he Palestinian mother welcomes her martyred son, she wishes to receive him as a corpse. She does not want him to be alive.


can't you just feel the love of Allah?

[vomit]

and we're supposed to make generous unreversible concessions to these people?
to establish a state with its own army with this sort of mindset?

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/everydayA.gif

STOP FUNDING AND SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT; FREEZE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ASSETS AND THE ASSETS OF ITS FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS; STOP USING THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL VETO TO THWART THE WILL OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO ENFORCE THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS AND OTHER APPLICABLE INTERNATIONAL LAW WHICH WOULD STOP THE BUTCHERING; SEND THOSE RESPONSIBLE TO THE HAGUE FOR PROSECUTION AS WAR CRIMINALS

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org

http://www.koshertaxscam.com/gungirls.jpg
Israeli childern train for the next kill !

Come on, what kind of stupid propaganda is that? The picture shows nothing. You'll grasp at any loose straws to make the Israeli's look bad.

Of course they do. And similarly, the mudslinging precludes empathy, which precludes communication, which precludes compromise, which precludes an end to hostilities, which precludes normal life, for all the inhabitants of Israel/Palestine.

which precludes normal life, for all the inhabitants of Israel/Palestine.Which is most likely the only thing most people actually care about.

aparently not (http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD68304)

"Which is most likely the only thing most people actually care about."

Absolutely. But they/we have first got to get down to it. Some airburst Prozac bombs couldn't hurt.

Again I m gonna state the obvious....

Propoganda works to a certain level at some point it becomes counter productive...
Plestinias being shot & killed for commiting homicide bombings is just. Pure and Simple and people begin to realize that when terror spreads.

When Palestinians cry out on world stage that they are being prosecuted by Israelies everyone begins to understand that its total bs and they are just lying through their teeth.

Someone blows up your peaceful citizenry and you kill those who propogate, fund, incite, and participate in it. This is totally justified. If a 10 year old takes a rock and smashes it against my head repeatedly I have a natural right to defend myself and kill him. Showing his dead body 1000 times will not make his death wrong no matter how much you wish it to be.

And again I will state the obscured...

If Palestinian violence was spontaneous murder in a normal and just society, you would be entirely correct. Your attempt to disregard the causation of Israel state oppression since 1948 is dishonest.

what about the massacres in Hebron in 1929? and all those that took place before 1948?

whatever.
hype, you're trying to justify the arab hate
and it's a very poor justification...
unless this (http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double) and this (http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD68304) makes sense to you

btw the palestian arabs started driving israelies into the sea when palestine was left by the UK troops, there was really no other choice then defend urself and push outward. They reaped what they saw.

It's not justifying hate to observe that everyone reaps what they sow. Israelis have themselves and their founders to blame for the character of the apartheid state that has resulted.

There is no need or value in polarizing into misleading black and white, by saying that Jews are forced to oppress in order to defend themselves. In a morally flawed world, Israel has conspicuously failed in any legitimate claim to the moral high ground, not to mention any other ground in what's left of Palestinian territories. From here forward, the only possible end to the violence will come when ethnic separatism is repudiated by Israel, the focus of Arab irritation. Israel has no justification to wait for any action or inaction by any other party, before entirely renouncing ethnic segregation and heirarchy. Either you believe that people are entitled to live anywhere regardless of ethnicity or you do not, and the real battle line is drawn there.

btw the palestian arabs started driving israelies into the sea when palestine was left by the UK troops, there was really no other choice then defend urself and push outward. They reaped what they saw.

yes they did.

here's another piece of bullshit:

Saudi Tourism Chief Denounces US Media Smear Campaign (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=41618&d=21&m=3&y=2004)

Prince Sultan ibn Salman, secretary general of the SCT [Supreme Comission for Tourism], said advice on the SCT’s website that the Kingdom banned Jews from entering the country was “blown out of all proportions” by US media seeking to portray the Kingdom as anti-Semitic.

Saudi Arabia? Anti-Semetic? what a strange idea

It seems (http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/saudi/?id=9107) that authors of the official Saudi Tourism website (http://www.sauditourism.gov.sa/sct/indexlist.php?catid=39&maincat=Travel_Tips) stupidly had listed "Jews" instead of "Israelis" under visa restrictions. It's been retracted, but of course the longstanding restrictions on visas to Israelis unfortunately still stand, as well as occasional difficulties for other nationals carrying Israeli visas in their passports. Any tourism at all in contemporary Saudi Arabia is a new concept, and obviously some prejudices have emerged in the clumsy formation of a tourism bureau.

I'd love to think this was arab propaganda....
But it not, it's just a link to google.

Carlyle Bush bin Laden (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Carlyle+Bush+bin+Laden&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)

So err whats your beef again folks?
Dee Cee

it's all one big misunderstanding! (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01202)

hype is Baghdad Bob jr.

Thanks, Pothead. If you're reduced to personal slurs, I must be getting somewhere.

oh but you know it's not a 'personal slur'

you're
1) being an apologist for islamist hate
2) resorting to ridiculous reasoning to defend it, similar to what Baghdad Bob (al-Sahaf) did

calling you "Baghdad Bob" just sums everything up.

it's very easy to escape arguments by saying that i'm slurring you.
of course it's much harder to actually come up with real arguments, isn't it?

and besides, what are you trying to defend here???

I have not intended to defend Arab propaganda, or be an "apologist for Islamist hate". Nonetheless, I am apparently "Baghdad Bob" for not harmoniously joining your chorus.

Having lived in the Middle East, I am familiar with the rampant blurring of hyperbole and even propaganda with news and political discourse. The Arab press has always brimmed with sensationalism. Sometimes when an apparent attempt is made to conceal Israeli violations of human rights as being merely a product of Arab or Islamist propaganda, I feel like interjecting- but I haven't denied the Arab propaganda you are lavishly displaying for us.

I remember watching with some amazement Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf's theatrical denials of the obvious rout of Iraqi forces during the US invasion, and I remember feeling some embarrassment and pity for the man. I can also feel pity for those so attached to zionism that they must attack and deny revelations of Israeli atrocity, in an apparent attempt to convince that Israel is undeserving of any condemnation, in an attempt to deny that there is an ongoing official policy in Israel that dehumanizes, disenfranchises, impoverishes, and kills Palestinians. Such denial sometimes presents a similar bizarre spectacle as "Baghdad Bob".

look
in a free society one cannot lie, because the lies are exposed, and those who oppose you will make you feel sorry for being born

no body says Israel is perfect

but morally, it is superior to anything you hear from the Arab camp, if you see thru the propaganda

Otheadp,

no body says Israel is perfect

but morally, it is superior to anything you hear from the Arab camp, if you see thru the propaganda

I have to agree. I have always felt it was stupid to have granted a religious state in the middle of the arabic world. That was compounded by the response of the Israelies kicking arabs out of their homes and taking over. The Jews do seem to be greedy and that promotes the hatred they claim is unjustified. What happened to them in WWII was horrific but the rest of the world owes them nothing and they should get on with fitting in with the world. This last comment applies to the islamic radicals as well. They will not prevail, they are only causing death and hardship for themselves.

The Jews do seem to be greedy and that promotes the hatred they claim is unjustified.
look at that...

what else are "the jews" guilty of, Adolf?

Otheadp,

[quote]what else are "the jews" guilty of, Adolf?[quote]

This comment is misleading and inappropriate. I have already indicated what happened to them in WWII was horrific. I am not anti-sematic. However, they have over the years continued to build settlements on captured land and have been indian givers at every opportunity when peace and war rock back and forth. They have back peddled on many promises for peace. I know that the arabic radicals have given them ample opportunity to back peddle but that is an excuse. Had they turned the other cheek and made peace, they might still have some terrorist activity against them but they would have a greater population of arabs and arabic nations on thier side. That is my opinion.

We Muslims recognize the fact that those zionist jews are evil and thus, the day of judgement wont come until there be a big war between Muslims and Jews, the Muslims will fight from the eastern side of the Jordan river and the Jews on the western side,and because the evil of the jews reached such appaleing state, every stone and tree will shout and warn the muslims that there is a jew hiding behind !! come and kill him ..it will be horrific war but at the end the jews in Palestine will be wiped out.....oddely enough, christians believe in the same prophecy.

So, my advice to all Jews is to get out from Palestine and come back to where they came from in Russia, Poland, Germany and Eastern Europe, it is much safer there.