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Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:04 PM
Which Came First- Terrorism or Occupation - Major Arab Terrorist Attacks against Israelis Prior to the 1967 Six-Day War (http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/terrorism-%20obstacle%20to%20peace/palestinian%20terror%20before%202000/Which%20Came%20First-%20Terrorism%20or%20Occupation%20-%20Major)


Which Came First - Terrorism or "Occupation"?
Major Arab Terrorist Attacks against Israelis Prior to the 1967 Six-Day War

Ministry of Foreign Affairs, March 2002

Palestinian and Arab spokesmen commonly claim that the recent Palestinian terrorism is the result of the Israeli 'occupation' of the West Bank and Gaza, adding that the violence will cease only when the 'occupation' is ended.

Despite this claim, it should be recalled that the many Palestinian and Arab rejectionist factions (such as the Hamas and the Hizbullah) repeatedly declare that even if Israel would fully withdraw from the territories they will continue their attacks, since they refute Israel's basic right to exist.

More importantly, however, the basic premise of the Palestinian claim - that the 'occupation' causes terrorism - is historically flawed. Arab and Palestinian terrorism against Israel existed prior to the beginning of Israeli control over the West Bank and Gaza as a result of the Six Day War of June 1967, and even prior to the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948.

For example, Arab terrorism was rampant during wave of anti-Jewish riots in 1920-21 (which was characterized by the brutal murder in Jaffa of the prominent Jewish author Y. Brenner), during the 'Disturbances' of 1929 (which included the massacre of the Jewish community in Hebron), during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39, and in many other recorded incidents of wholesale anti-Jewish Arab violence throughout the pre-state period.

The Palestinian terrorism campaign was stepped-up on the eve of the UN Partition Resolution of November 1947, and led to the joint Arab invasion of 1948-49 which delineated the boundaries of the newly established State of Israel.

Indeed, this deplorable violence can be traced back to the beginning of the renewed Jewish settlement of the Land of Israel over a century ago.

After the War of Independence, Arab terrorism expanded in scope. In 1952, when 'fedayeen' terrorist border incursions reached their height, there were about 3,000 incidents of cross-border violence, extending from the malicious destruction of property to the brutal murder of civilians. In the years 1951-1955, 503 Israelis were killed by Arab terrorists infiltrating from Jordan, 358 were killed in attacks from Egypt, and 61 were killed in attacks originating from Syria and Lebanon. This anti-Israeli violence encompassed both frontier settlements and population centers, and was perpetrated, for the most part, against innocent civilians, most of them new immigrants.

In conclusion, the oft-repeated Arab claim that the Israeli 'occupation' is somehow to blame for the Palestinian terrorism is nothing more than an empty retort, repudiated by the facts, and disproved by a century of historical reality.

The following is a partial list of documented acts of Arab terrorism, all occurring prior to the beginning of the Israeli administration of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967:

Major Arab Terrorist Attacks against Israelis Prior to the 1967 Six-Day War

Jan 1, 1952 - Seven armed terrorists attacked and killed a nineteen year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael, in Jerusalem.

Apr 14, 1953 - Terrorists tried for the first time to infiltrate Israel by sea, but were unsuccessful. One of the boats was intercepted and the other boat escaped.

June 7, 1953 - A youngster was killed and three others were wounded, in shooting attacks on residential areas in southern Jerusalem.

June 9, 1953 - Terrorists attacked a farming community near Lod, and killed one of the residents. The terrorists threw hand grenades and sprayed gunfire in all directions. On the same night, another group of terrorists attacked a house in the town of Hadera. This occurred a day after Israel and Jordan signed an agreement, with UN mediation, in which Jordan undertook to prevent terrorists from crossing into Israel from Jordanian territory.

June 10, 1953 - Terrorists infiltrating from Jordan destroyed a house in the farming village of Mishmar Ayalon.

June 11, 1953 - Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home in Kfar Hess, and shot them to death.

Sept 2, 1953 - Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and reached the neighborhood of Katamon, in the heart of Jerusalem. They threw hand grenades in all directions. Miraculously, no one was hurt.

Mar 17, 1954 - Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, and opened fire at short range when the bus reached the area of Maale Akrabim in the northern Negev. In the initial ambush, the terrorists killed the driver and wounded most of the passengers. The terrorists then boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one. Eleven passengers were murdered. Survivors recounted how the murderers spat on the bodies and abused them. The terrorists could clearly be traced back to the Jordanian border, some 20 km from the site of the terrorist attack.

Jan 2, 1955 - Terrorists killed two hikers in the Judean Desert.

Mar 24, 1955 - Terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowd at a wedding in the farming community of Patish, in the Negev. A young woman was killed, and eighteen people were wounded in the attack.

Apr 7, 1956 - A resident of Ashkelon was killed in her home, when terrorists threw three hand grenades into her house.
Two members of Kibbutz Givat Chaim were killed, when terrorists opened fire on their car, on the road from Plugot Junction to Mishmar Hanegev.
There were further hand grenade and shooting attacks on homes and cars, in areas such as Nitzanim and Ketziot. One person was killed and three others wounded.

Apr 11, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers, in the farming community of Shafrir. Three children and a youth worker were killed on the spot, and five were wounded, including three seriously.

Apr 29, 1956 - Egyptians killed Roi Rotenberg, 21 years of age, from Nahal Oz.

Sept 12, 1956 - Terrorists killed three Druze guards at Ein Ofarim, in the Arava region.

Sept 23, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire from a Jordanian position, and killed four archaeologists, and wounded sixteen others, near Kibbutz Ramat Rachel.

Sept 24, 1956 - Terrorists killed a girl in the fields of the farming community of Aminadav, near Jerusalem.

Oct 4, 1956 - Five Israeli workers were killed in Sdom.

Oct 9, 1956 - Two workers were killed in an orchard of the youth village, Neve Hadassah, in the Sharon region.

Nov 8, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a train, attacked cars and blew up wells, in the North and Center of Israel. Six Israelis were wounded.

Feb 18, 1957 - Two civilians were killed by terrorist landmines, next to Nir Yitzhak, on the southern border of the Gaza Strip.

Mar 8, 1957 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Beit Govrin was killed by terrorists in a field near the Kibbutz.

Apr 16, 1957 - Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and killed two guards at Kibbutz Mesilot.

May 20, 1957 - A terrorist opened fire on a truck in the Arava region, killing a worker.

May 29, 1957 - A tractor driver was killed and two others wounded, when the vehicle struck a landmine, next to Kibbutz Kisufim.

June 23, 1957 - Israelis were wounded by landmines, close to the Gaza Strip.

Aug 23, 1957 - Two guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company were killed near Kibbutz Beit Govrin.

Dec 21, 1957 - A member of Kibbutz Gadot was killed in the Kibbutz fields.

Feb 11, 1958 - Terrorists killed a resident of Moshav Yanov who was on his way to Kfar Yona, in the Sharon area.

Apr 5, 1958 - Terrorists lying in ambush shot and killed two people near Tel Lachish.

Apr 22, 1958 - Jordanian soldiers shot and killed two fishermen near Aqaba.

May 26, 1958 - Four Israeli police officers were killed in a Jordanian attack on Mt. Scopus, in Jerusalem.

Nov 17, 1958 - Syrian terrorists killed the wife of the British air attache in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent on the Mt. of the Beatitudes.

Dec 3, 1958- A shepherd was killed at Kibbutz Gonen. In the artillery attack that followed, 31 civilians were wounded.

Jan 23, 1959 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Lehavot Habashan was killed.

Feb 1, 1959 - Three civilians were killed by a terrorist landmine near Moshav Zavdiel.

Apr 15, 1959 - A guard was killed at Kibbutz Ramat Rahel.

Apr 27, 1959 - Two hikers were shot at close range and killed near Massada.

Sept 6, 1959 - Bedouin terrorists killed a paratroop reconnaissance officer near Nitzana.

Sept 8, 1959 - Bedouins opened fire on an army bivouac in the Negev, killing an IDF officer, Captain Yair Peled.

Oct 3, 1959 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Heftziba was killed near Kibbutz Yad Hana.

Apr 26, 1960 - Terrorists killed a resident of Ashkelon south of the city.

Apr 12, 1962 - Terrorists fired on an Egged bus on the way to Eilat; one passenger was wounded.

Sept 30, 1962 - Two terrorists attacked an Egged bus on the way to Eilat. No one was wounded.

Jan 1, 1965 - Palestinian terrorists attempted to bomb the National Water Carrier. This was the first attack carried out by the PLO's Fatah faction.

May 31, 1965 - Jordanian Legionnaires fired on the neighborhood of Musrara in Jerusalem, killing two civilians and wounding four.

June 1, 1965 - Terrorists attack a house in Kibbutz Yiftach.

July 5, 1965 - A Fatah cell planted explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

Aug 26, 1965 - A waterline was sabotaged at Kibbutz Manara, in the Upper Galilee.

Sept 29, 1965 - A terrorist was killed as he attempted to attack Moshav Amatzia.

Nov 7, 1965 - A Fatah cell that infiltrated from Jordan blew up a house in Moshav Givat Yeshayahu, south of Beit Shemesh. The house was destroyed, but the inhabitants were miraculously unhurt.

Apr 25, 1966 - Explosions placed by terrorists wounded two civilians and damaged three houses in Moshav Beit Yosef, in the Beit Shean Valley.

May 16, 1966 - Two Israelis were killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine, north of the Sea of Galilee and south of Almagor. Tracks led into Syria.

July 13, 1966 - Two soldiers and a civilian were killed near Almagor, when their truck struck a terrorist landmine.

July 14, 1966 - Terrorists attacked a house in Kfar Yuval, in the North.

July 19, 1966 - Terrorists infiltrated into Moshav Margaliot on the northern border and planted nine explosive charges.

Oct 27, 1966 - A civilian was wounded by an explosive charge on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem.

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:11 PM
The reason why we call their actions terrorism is because they didn’t have a state, Israel as well extended her terrorist actions past 1948, but we call those “operations” instead.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:18 PM
The reason why we call their actions terrorism is because they didn’t have a state, Israel as well extended her terrorist actions past 1948, but we call those “operations” instead.
That would be insurgents, not "terrorism".

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:21 PM
What is 'State Terrorism'?
In the course of the post Arab-Militant-Islamists' massacre of 9/11, Arab-Muslims have found themselves powerless against the horror facts, against the growing Goliath monster Islamic terror worldwide, and shame has encountered them.

Many Arab-Muslims including 'moderates', have adopted a 'strategy,' of 'Your offense is your best defense,' which is why they see them selves 'permitted' to go on a rampage and knowingly lie on the West, particularly on their favorite scapegoat, little victim Israel, and much often against all Jews, (insert "zionists" were applicable...).

In this malicious all-is-lose, all lies are OK-'Halal' strategy, their created term on 'state terrorism,' & their own freelance definition has become frequent.

Now, Let's see what is 'State Terrorism'.

State Terrorism is NOT, when you are faced against mass murderers that look for your men women & children to slaughter them.

State Terrorism is NOT, when you practice restraint against those that abuse that very restraint to sneak in, mingle with the locals to blow them up into pieces in public crowds.

State Terrorism is NOT, when your criticized weapons are not in use in the face of human shields.

State Terrorism is NOT, when your industry invests sweat time & money to invent special on-target minimum collateral damaged caused missiles.

State Terrorism is NOT, when you do not act like Arab regimes (examples: Syria, Jordan, Egypt, that just massacred thousands of uprising-protesters immediately, now that was-is the real State-Terrorism , no doubt), but rather risking your young lives by running into dangerous booby trapped houses, getting into extremely complicated surgical operations, wondering door to door on the look out exclusively for terrorists.

But, State Terrorism is: Financing, harboring groups that target innocent men women & children, that boost the death camps where their young minds are being crushed under the diabolic stream of rationalizing cold blooded murder, no matter how many cosmetic excuses of "freedom," or bluffing leaders' "denial' of involvement's.

So a word of advice to the embarrassed Islamo-Arab propagandists (in face of global Jihadi atrocities):

If you want to clean yourself, clean THIS out of YOU. End of story!

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:22 PM
Let’s look at Zionist massacres shall we (warning this is only a sampling):


1- "Al-Quds" Massacre - Late December 1937
A member of "ITZL" Zionist terrorist organization hurled a hand grenade at the vegetable marketplace adjacent to the "Nablus Gate" in Jerusalem. Scores of Arab citizens were either killed or injured.(1)
2 - "Haifa" Massacre - 6 March 1938
Members of the Zionist "ITZL" and "Lehi" terrorist gangs threw a grenade at the "Haifa" market, killing 18 Arabs and injuring 38.(2)
3 - "Haifa" Massacre - 6 July 1938
Terrorists of the "ITZL" Zionist gang exploded two booby-trapped vehicles in "Haifa" market, killing 21 Arabs and injuring 52.(3)
4 - "Al-Quds" Massacre - 13 July 1938
Ten Arabs were killed and 31 others injured in a horrible explosion in the Arab vegetable marketplace in "Old Jerusalem"!(4)
5 - "Al-Quds" Massacre - 15 July 1938
A member of "ITZL" terrorist gang hurled a hand grenade in front of a mosque in the city of Jerusalem at the end of the prayers, killing 10 Arabs and injuring 30 others.(5)
6 - "Haifa" Massacre - 25 July 1038
A booby-trapped car placed by "ITZL" Zionist terrorist gang exploded in the Arab market in "Haifa", killing 35
Arabs and injuring 70.(6)
7 - "Haifa" Massacre"- 26 July 1938
A member of "ITZL" gang threw a hand grenade in a market in "Haifa", killing 47 Arabs.(7)
8 - "AI-Quds" Massacre - 26 August 1938
A booby-trapped car placed by "ITZL" gang exploded in the market of Arab Jerusalem, killing 34 Arabs and injuring 35.(8)
9 - "Haifa" Massacre - 27 March 1939
"ITZL" gang exploded two grenades in "Haifa", killing 27 Arabs and injuring 39.(9)
10 - "Balad El-Sheikh" Massacre - 12 June 1939
It is a Palestinian Arab village southeast of Haifa. In 1945, it had a population of 4120 and an area of 22l donums. Its land area was 9849 donums.
On 12 June 1939, the "Haganah" Zionist terrorist gangs attacked the village. They kidnapped five of its inhabitants and murdered them.(10)
11 - "Haifa" Massacre - 19 June 1939
The Zionist invaders hurled a hand grenade in a marketplace in "Haifa", killing 9 Arabs and injuring 4.(11)
12 - "Haifa" Massacre - 20 June 1947
Seventy-eight Arabs were killed and 24 others were injured when a bomb exploded in the vegetable market in "Haifa". The bomb was hidden in a camouflaged vegetable box. "ITZL" and "Lehi" gangs had orchestrated the operation.(12)
13 - "Abbasiyya" Massacre - 13 December 1947
Abbasiyya is an Arab village, located 13 kms to the east of the city of "Jaffa". In 1945, it had a population of
5650, and an area of 101 donums. Its land area was 20540 donums.
The Massacre: On 13 December 1947, while the British mandate army was still controlling Palestine, the "Irgun" Zionist terrorist gang attacked the village of "Abbasiyya". The 24 attackers were disguised in the uniform of British soldiers. They fired at the village and blasted several homes. They fired at some people who were sitting in front of a café. The killers planted a number of time bombs and explosive charges in some of the houses. Many British soldiers arrived at the village but did not interfere, but they partially encircled the village, allowing the killers an access to flee from the northern side.
Seven Arabs were killed and seven others were seriously injured, two of whom died later, including a five-year old child, his 20-year old mother. Five others were injured when the time bombs exploded in the days following the massacre.(13)
14 - Arab AI-Khassas" Massacre - 18 December 1947
Al-Khassas is a Palestinian Arab village located north of "Al-Hula" plain. Its population in 1945 was 470, including the tribe of "Arab Al-Fadl" and its chief "Prince Fa’oor".
The Massacre: Following the Partition Resolution passed on 29 November 1947, while five Arab workers were on their way to their jobs, three Zionists of the "Ma’yan Baroch" settlement opened fire at the workers. As a result, one of the Zionist attackers was stabbed with a knife which led to his death. When the commander of the Third "Palmach" battalion which was stationed at "Atleet" area received the news of the killing of the Zionist, his deputy "Moshe Kalman" hurried to the scene of the accident. He ordered "Mola Cohen", the commander of the "Palmach" to carry out a retaliatory operation against the village, because killing one Jew is considered a sanctioning of Jewish blood". Though the murder charge against the inhabitants of the village was not proven, it was decided to attack "AlKhassas". "Moshe Carmel", commander of the "Labanoni" Brigade delivered an order to the Command of the Third Battalion from the Operations Division of the General Staff to carry out a retaliatory operation aimed at burning homes and killing men of the village.
The operation was executed on 18 December 1947 by two units of the brigade. The report of the force commander stated that 12 villagers were killed, including some women and children. However, it appeared later on that all the victims were women and children, because the men had left the village a short while prior to the massacre. Some Jewish sources said that 10 of the village population were killed, including five children, and that some victims were buried under the rubble of their homes.(14)
15 - "Al-Quds" Massacre - 29 December 1947
The "Irgun" Zionist gang threw a barrel full of explosives near "Bab Al-Amood" in "Jerusalem", killing 14 Arabs and injuring 27.(15)
l6 - "Al-Quds" Massacre - 30 December 1947
The "Irgun" terrorist gang hurled a bomb from a fast moving car, killing 11 Arabs.(16)
l7 - "Balad E1-Sheikh" Massacre - 3 1/12/1947 - 1/1/1948
The Massacre: On New Year eve, a joint force composed of the First Battalion of the "Palmach" and 01’ the "Carmeli" Brigade led by "Chaim Avinoam" attacked the village, killing 60 Arabs. According to the report of the commander of the massacre "Our forces silenced the sources of fire and entered the village. It started its action in the houses. The intense firing made it impossible to avoid women and children".
However, the New York Times correspondent said in a report published on 7/1/1948 "On New Year eve, the
"Haganah" attacked Balad El-Sheikh, claiming that the attack was in retaliation for the killing of the Jews in the clashess that took place in the "Refinery". The correspondent added: "While a group of the attackers were disguised wearing Arab white headcloth (kufia) were firing from the hills overlooking the village, another much larger group entered the outskirts of the village and attacked several houses with hand grenades and machineguns, killing many unarmed civilians, including children, women and elderly people".
This massacre, in addition to the other acts of violence, had a demoralizing effect on the Arab inhabitants of "Haifa" city. The history of the "Haganah" stated: "A force of 170 elements of the "Palmach" was ordered to encircle Balad El-Sheikh and to cause harm to as many men as possible. The attackers left behind more than 60 persons killed, including a number of women, children and old people".
One of the accounts estimated the number of martyrs at 30. The killers destroyed scores of houses in the village.(17)
For the sake of facts and history, most of the martyrs were Arab workers of the "Refinery" close to the village. The workers were from different villages who resided in the region of "Hawwasa", which is part of Balad El-Sheilch. Hawwasa was built of tin huts.
18 - "Sheikh Barbak" Massacre - 1947
It is an Arab village of the "Haifa" district.
The Masascre: In 1947, the Zionist terrorist gangs attacked the village killing 40 of its population.(18)
19 - "Jaffa" Massacre - 4 January 1948
"Stern" Zionist gang threw a bomb at a crowded square in "Jaffa" killing 15 and injuring 98.(19)
20 - The Massacre of "The Old Government House" in Jaffa
On 4 January 1948, the "Irgun" Zionist gang placed a car filled with explosives adjacent to the "Old Government House" in the city of "Jaffa". The blast destroyed the building and its vicinity. Thirty Arabs were killed and others injured. Among the victims were some of the educated youth of Jaffa.(20)
21 - "Semiramis" Massacre - 5 January 1948
The "Haganah" terrorist gang blasted with explosives "Semiramis" hotel situated in the Arab neighborhood of "Qatmoon" in "Jerusalem". The hotel was destroyed on its guests who were all Arabs. Nineteen Arabs were killed and 20 were injured. Following this massacre, the residents of Qatmoon began moving from it due to its vicinity of the Jewish neighborhoods.(21)


That is only btwn 1937, and 1948 there is so much more…

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:35 PM
Here are some SAMPLES of Arab 'palestinian' FAKE "massacres' and CRIMINAL LIES

Lying, 'palestinian' Style (http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/angelforisrael/israel/lying.html)

Palestinians Distributing Acting (via actors) Torture To Kids to Incite & Hate (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/PalestiniansDistributingActingTortureToKids.html)

The man who sees through the Palestinians lies. (http://www.netanyahu.org/manwhoseesth.html)

Racists cry racism at U.N. conference (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24401)

For 'palestinian' cronies, the world is indeed a stage where outright lying and gross exaggeration are all considered legitimate tools of the trade."

"He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him" -Thomas Jefferson.

The Tragedy of Exaggeration (http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/exag.htm)

Lies, pathologic lies and the Palestinians (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28402)

Suicidal lies (http://arabterrorism.tripod.com/articles/articles26.html)


Jenin LIE (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/JeninLie.html)


Qana LIE (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/QanaLie.html)

Qibya in 1953 (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_qibya_1953.php)

Deir Yassin, MYTH (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/DeirYassinMyth.html)

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Sabra shatila LIE (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/SabraShatilaLie.html)

THE CONTRIVED MYTHS: of SABRA & SHATILLA (http://www.tzemach.org/fyi/docs/winston/jan24-01b.htm)

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What caused Rachel Corrrie's death? (http://www.alisrael.com/rachel_corrie/) Flash

GOTCHA! How Reuters transformed an accidental death into homicide (http://jewishworldreview.com/0303/corrie.html)

The Corrie "tributes" Start (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10182_The_Corrie_Tributes_Start)

Who killed Rachel Corrie? (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030325.shtml)

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WHO KILLED Mohammed al Dura? (http://www.masada2000.org/al-dura.html)

Palestinian Youth Sacrificed As Political Camera Fodder (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/MuhammadAlDura.html)

Arab "palestinians" staged the 12 year old Muhammad Al Dura "martyrdom", it was all a vicious theater (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31363)

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Accusing Israel of so called: "Cleansing" and "Occupation" ??? (http://www.masada2000.org/AccusingIsrael.html)

the Lie of the Land (http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2001/israel/jul/24/0107230625.html) Includes the vicious libel of (tear- < this hyphen makes a big difference...) "gas".

The 13-Story Buildings Were Not Occupied (http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=51685)

PALESTINEAN LIES - Lies Told By The Palestinians (http://www.rushonline.com/visitors/israelmythsfacts.htm)

CALLING ARABS' BLUFF (http://club.telepolis.com/lbouzal/safire2.htm)

THE Palestinian big lie against Israel keeps shifting as the truth emerges, The Palestinians violated Geneva Convention -- Israel honored it -- The War Crimes Lie (http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2002/israel/04/0204231716.html)

Lies and Disinformation as a Palestinian Weapon (http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ljf0)

Media Bias.. (http://gipsy20010.tripod.com/saliencevoices/id2.html)


Lies an Arab Think-Tank Espouses (Avi Davis) October, 2002 (http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct02/davis1.htm)

A picture is worth a thousand words! So is the Lack of the Right Picture 10/22/03 (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/TheRightPicture102203)

'Palestinian' COSMETIC "casualties", Media & UN's Obligation to Doubt 'Palestinian' "Casualties", before damage is done (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/PalestinianCosmeticCasualties)


A LIE called "desperation",
made exclusively in premeditated Genocide-Bombings' "palestine" (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/ALieCalledDesperation.html)

http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/StagedDesperation.art
Staged Desperation (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/StagedDesperation.html)

Punish 'palestinian' Liars! (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/PunishPalestinianLiars)

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:38 PM
Kiwi stop referring to overtly bias webpages, no one believes that nonsense. Deal the facts, the fact is that Zionist terrorism in the years of 1937-53 far outnumber in size, scope, and severity to those of Arab terrorism. Do I absolve Arab terrorism, no what they did was wrong as well. But your attempts to sound creidble are making you look more and more into a intellectual mockery that you seem to be.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:41 PM
Kiwi stop referring to overtly bias webpages, no one believes that nonsense.
Talk to yourself about this...And quit the typical Arabist phrase "no one believes" speak ONLY for yourself.

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:46 PM
Talk to yourself about this...And quit the typical Arabist phrase "no one believes" speak ONLY for yourself.

Now come now Kiwi let’s not get all flustered shall we? I mean the facts are the facts, I didn’t go around saying those lying Zionists about those non-existent Arabic attacks on Israel prior to 1967. If I did I would be labeled an Arabic extremist, me labeling you an ideological anti-intellectual is me being nice to you. Stop lying to yourself, intellectual liberation is close at hand.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:47 PM
[i] The facts are facts
Yes, they are, no matter your propaganda.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:51 PM
Arab Muslim Radicals' choice of words

How/When they CHOOSE to use the words: Terror, Massacre


Terror!

When does the cradle of it: Arab 'Palestinians' ever use that word?
On their actions?
In your dreams.
Guess what!
On the very Victims of their terror!!!

You know what? Go even further, How exactly do Arab "Palestinian' Propagandists even call Begin's act against British Military office at King David Hotel as "terrorism". (plus he notified them to evacuate, shows you again, his compassion!).]

Contemporary events, they attach it to operations against mass murderers, using so conveniently full imagination on Israel's military machines, since there is no footage available of 'Palestinian' genocide bombers in the street/bus/cafe/market/wedding-hall etc. before the atrocity act, they have it easy to portray Israel with the 'Tanks on TV', as the aggressor, never mind that Israel does NOT use them against unarmed civilians, but the damage of the illustration of 'Goliath' is already there, from there, the way is open to their now ready & ONLY now use of term "terror".

Let's reiterate the known: only Arab Muslim "Palestinians" aim at the unarmed civilians, you can't argue with the facts.

Name calling won't change a darn thing, same as calling Bush a 'Hitler' does not shock anyone, being quite used to the type of "Palestinian" name calling & silly never matching comparisons-words games.

Does the harsh fact -- of Arab Muslim radicals championship in terror -- drive them to attach 'dramatic' labels on unmatched items?

Than you have their favorite word: "massacres", they even made up a "list" of supposedly called "massacres", that other than instilling hate in the young growing up average gullible Muslim mind, it does not accomplish anything, lately they got tired a bit after the exposure of the lies on Jenin.

When does a fight between two armed parties become a "massacre"?

Only the Arab continuing massacres on the unarmed is exactly that.

Then again, look with a magnifying glass thru all boring new & old "Palestinian" propaganda industry, they have still avoided the real facts like, the-their first massacre in the region:
1929 Hebron, on ordinary non political religious pious Jews.

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:52 PM
Kiwi kicking, screaming a point 40 times over doesn’t make it anymore true. You are in deep denial, and your arguments sound like the rest, you conviently ignore many arguments I present, and even when I tell you to acknowledge them you merely ignore me and you copy and paste an “argument” (should I stretch the term so very far) and present it as your own so you don’t have to argue my arguments. I have dealt with Zionists a great deal in the past, and your tactics are not unique, and your legitimacy with everyone on this site depreciates greatly as a result of your dribble. We had someone just like you, called Proud Syrian, now he was rabidly pro-Palestinian and he used the same tactics you use. He was banned, if you want to follow in the same tracks keep on doing what you are doing.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 09:53 PM
Kiwi kicking, screaming a point 40 times over doesn’t make it anymore true.
Then why rerpeat yourself then?

Undecided
08-01-04, 09:56 PM
Show me what I have repeated constantly, I can surely show you where you have repeated yourself to no avail. For instance the 1929 Hebron business is over, why keep on brining it up. I know why, because you don’t have any more arguments. I know how you work this isn’t a mystery to me, I merely laugh at you because you can’t see the damage you are doing to the Zionist ideology and Israel itself. You are not a friend of Israel, quite the opposite you mock it.

Kiwi123
08-01-04, 10:02 PM
For instance the 1929 Hebron business is over, why keep on brining it up. I know why,
No, you don't because it's the first in the chain of events and the foundation by the Arab Muslim Mufti-Leader that caused the massacre as well as the one in Iraq 1941 all for PURE Hate, not a "land" issue.
The most important base in the middle east "conflict."
Arab Muslim (Radicals') Hate (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/ArabMuslimsHate).

All the constant CHANGING Excuses of "land," "occupation" "wall," are just exactly what they are: CHANGING EXCUSES.

Any wonder you've avoided the ABC of the ME. such as the Mufti era too?

Undecided
08-01-04, 10:07 PM
No, you don't because it's the first in the chain of events and the foundation by the Arab Muslim Mufti-Leader that caused the massacre as well as the one in Iraq 1941 all for PURE Hate, not a "land" issue.

You still ignore the 1924 murder, thus you are intellectually non-existent. I am really doubting that you are able to comprehend the concept here.

The most important base in the middle east "conflict."
Arab Muslim (Radicals') Hate.

More propaganda, I can show you propaganda too…get a real source for once.

All the constant CHANGING Excuses of "land," "occupation" "wall," are just exactly what they are: CHANGING EXCUSES.

All three are one in the same, it’s the explanation of exploitation and injustice, the international community agrees.

Any wonder you've avoided the ABC of the ME. such as the Mufti era too?

I don’t what you are talking about child…you sound like child who unable to believe that there is no Santa.

Mr. G
08-01-04, 10:22 PM
...you are intellectually non-existent...
Judges are elected.

Id10ts are self-annointed.

Undecided
08-01-04, 10:38 PM
Judges are elected.

Id10ts are self-annointed.

Don’t flatter yourself because you just judged me…feel stupid I would.

ElectricFetus
08-01-04, 10:59 PM
Dispute if others like Israeli used terrorist acts in the past does not make terrorism of others, even Israeli enemies, alright.

Undecided
08-01-04, 11:10 PM
I hope you weren't referring to me, as I said Do I absolve Arab terrorism, no what they did was wrong as well. But to claim it was a one side deal is ignorant at best and should not be tolerated.

ElectricFetus
08-02-04, 01:43 AM
but then does that mean both sides must be wrong?

Undecided
08-02-04, 02:10 PM
but then does that mean both sides must be wrong?

They both have done wrong indeed, no question. As to if either side is “wrong” that depends on your ideological stance.

Preacher_X
08-02-04, 04:52 PM
Kiwi, everytime someone says something about what Israel does you often reply dont go into the past and that was 50 years ago, (although i do NOT agree with that logic), those list of Arab massacres happened a long time ago, also if you look at the cause of each one, almost every time it will be linked back to the zionists. and also the whole Arab-Jews tension began in the 1900's as a result of the newly found movement of Zionism

Kiwi123
08-02-04, 07:28 PM
Kiwi, everytime someone says something about what Israel does you often reply dont go into the past
Wrong, When/Where did I say that, unless you confuse me with someone else, actulally I insist on bringing up the late 1800's Mufti Rise, the champion of hate at that time that led the massacres of 1929 on NATIVE JEWS IN HEBRON HOLY lAND AND ON IRAQI JEWS IN 1941. (http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com)

I think it's RATHER important for all of us to know that it is Arab Muslims (radiacls') Hate (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/ArabMuslimsHate), and not the MUCH LATER: (so called>) "occupation", Or the SECURITY FENCE "wall", or those "land" EXCUSES.

DaneMark
08-06-04, 03:25 PM
but then does that mean both sides must be wrong?
Dear Bias UN!
Excuse Israel for breathing... you can't blame Israelis for wanting to survive, but you must appreciate their endurance rather.

Kiwi123
08-15-04, 12:36 AM
Dispute if others like Israeli used terrorist acts in the past does not make terrorism of others, even Israeli enemies, alright.
Israelis targetted British army officials ONLY, and even notified them ahead of time for arrogant Brits to evacuate, but to no avail.

Vs the Coward Arab Muslims aiming at babies, the bigger the crowd the louder their SICK JOY...