Worth a read:

The official ideology of Israel, Zionism, has always portrayed itself as a liberation movement for all Jews. But although Zionism claims to offer a home for all Jews, that home has never been offered equally.
The question of Arab Jews strikes at the heart of the Zionist contradiction -- an attempt to build an anti- Arab, exclusively Jewish state on Arab lands.

From the early days of the Zionist project, large numbers of Jews from neighbouring Arab countries were brought to Palestine. Ostensibly they were “returning home”, but in reality they came as cheap labour for their European counterparts (Ashkenazi Jews).

These Arab Jews were given the name Mizrahim (the eastern ones).

Official Israeli history presents the emigration of Mizrahi as a result of anti-Semitism within the countries where they lived or a religious devotion to the land of Palestine. This account forgets the economic interests of the Ashkenazi Zionists and the long and largely untroubled relationship between Mizrahi Jews and the other Arabs with whom they lived.

Mizrahim had lived in North Africa and the Middle East for millennia, and the vast majority were opposed to creating a Jewish state in Palestine. The Iraqi Jewish leadership, for example, cooperated with the Iraqi government to stop Zionist activity in Iraq; the chief rabbi published an open letter denouncing Zionism.

In 1920, Palestinian Jews signed anti-Zionist petitions denouncing Ashkenazi rule.

It is now well documented that Zionist underground cells planted bombs in Jewish centres to create hysteria amongst Iraqi Jews, hoping to encourage a mass exodus to Israel. On January 14, 1951, a bomb was thrown into an Iraqi synagogue, killing four people.

Of course these acts of terror by the Zionist movement did not happen in isolation from the corrupt Arab governments of the time, most of which were supported by the British, who had overtly backed the Zionist movement with the Balfour declaration of 1917.

Full article, by Adam Hanieh:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Arab_Jews.htm

This topic does strike at the heart of the character and legitimacy of the present state of Israel. The displacement, alienation, and victimization of Arab Jews resulting from modern zionism has continually gotten precious little schrift, because it illuminates how severely destructive zionism has been and continues to be to mideastern Jewish communities, not to mention the non-Jews displaced and killed.

More background is available at Jews Against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/)

Thats not true. Its a popular misconception - exaggerated.

My father was one of these so called 'Mizrahim' when he immigrated to Israel with my grandparents. They faced no discrimation and lived much better lives than they had in Morocco.

Is that mass-brainwash talking again Xerxes ? How exactly does your dad represent entire Mizrahim ? For instance , how does he represent the Yemeni (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/articles/yemeniteJewry.htm) or the Iraqi (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/articles/iraqijews.htm) ?

And how the hell is something that hardly a soul knows about popular misconception ?

I bet nobody remebers your black panthers (http://www.kedma.co.il/Panterim/PanterimTheMovie/EnglishArticles.htm) either .

Tainted Blood-Ambivalence of Ethnic Migration in Israel-Dietrich Thränhardt (http://www.spaef.com/GPS_PUB/1_3_2_thranhardt.pdf)

I bet you never heard of the word kosheem either , did you Xerxes ?

Keep on imagining paradise ....

Originally posted by hypewaders
This topic does strike at the heart of the character and legitimacy of the present state of Israel. The displacement, alienation, and victimization of Arab Jews resulting from modern zionism has continually gotten precious little schrift, because it illuminates how severely destructive zionism has been and continues to be to mideastern Jewish communities, not to mention the non-Jews displaced and killed.

Indeed. Furthermore we have the Isr Govt playing the current situation like a chess game with the guille hitherto unseen since Kasparov.
They are increasingly giving Arafat impossible hoops to jump through, in the knowledge that:

1) if he doesn't manage the impossible (which they know he cannot, then they have "justification" to exile him (what they want)

2) If he does manage the impossible, then all out civil war between the Pallys, (PA against Hamas) and Isr is happy.

Divide and conquor.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/default.stm

Check other sites as well:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1998/1948/399_mzrm.htm
http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/Islam.HTM
http://flsj.ucdavis.edu/home/sjjs/orallit/litorale1

You know ghassan, these outbursts don't make me horny. What I did was bring in some anectdotal evidence to prove that its an exaggeration.. Facts. And you poop your pantie

To answer your question: Yes. Some of my fathers best friends are/were Iraqi Jews and they were treated the exact same way. Also other Tunisians, Moroccans, Algerians and Yemeni. Iraqi Jews were especially numerous in his town if I remember correctly.

So whats the problem? Is it difficult for you to believe a primary source that goes against the word of a research paper?

lol
ghassan quotes the Jews Against Zionism website and claims it represents the truth.

If i claim there really are aliens and then quote "rense.com" would that make aliens real?


I bet those anti-Zionists haven't even set foot in Israel, let alone live there and experience the culture. The pen that wrote that essay is dripping with poison and hate.

"I bet those anti-Zionists haven't even set foot in Israel"

How much would you like to bet?

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/images/protest/elections012803.jpg

"let alone live there and experience the culture. The pen that wrote that essay is dripping with poison and hate."

Yes, what an uninformed hate-monger:

Adam Hanieh (http://www.why-war.com/news/2003/05/15/aroadmap.html) is a Palestinian-Australian who has lived in the West Bank town of Ramallah for several years. He is a researcher and human rights worker in Ramallah, the West Bank. He is the research and international advocacy coordinator for defense for Children International/Palestine Section, a Palestinian child rights nongovernment organization based in Ramallah since 1992. He is also a member of the Palestinian human rights organisation Addameer ("conscience"). Hamieh is the former Birzeit University webmaster (1998-2000) and is currently (2002) working as a consultant for the United Nations Development Program. Hanieh is currently completing a Masters Degree in Regional Studies at Al Quds University, Jerusalem.

hypewaders:
what is this picture supposed to depict?
to me it looks like a political rally of an internal israeli nature.
don't tell me there's only political rallies in israel :rolleyes:
(or religious nuts, for that matter)

ofcourse you'd just love to take it out of context wouldn't you... or say that "israel is a special case".

i bet you don't even know what these signs say.

Oth, I don't post any old shit you know
and your point?
what i said is still valid.

This picture is of anti-zionists demonstrating in Jerusalem during elections earlier this year.

Left to right, the signs say:

"Those who tell people to vote in the elections are abominators against G-d and our Torah."

"The Knesset of the heretics is the House of Rebellion of a gang of rebels against G-d and our Torah"

"Whoever participates in the election will eventually have to give judgment before G-d for spilling blood."

You can find out more about these and other antizionist Jews at:
Neturei Karta (http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/012803elections.cfm)
Jews Not Zionists (http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/)
Jews Against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/)
Tikkun (http://www.tikkun.org/)
Hanna Braun (http://www.robincmiller.com/articles/hanna2.htm)
Tim Wise (http://home.mindspring.com/~fontenelles/wise1.htm)

Listen up Elby Kosheem , I do not have time anymore for this amateuristic and inferior method of debate , you either acknowledge logical laws and scholary authority over your own personal opinion or do not reply to me anymore .

You ask me the dumbest question I have heard this and last week and I can tell you that I face dozens of ignorant peoples on a daily basis , but before we get to that you must understand something very clearly .

You are no more primary source than any other texts that appear on my screen , weither they are from a scholar or an ignorant little boy that cannot face reality .

Name Giladi has superiority and authority over your shitty ass , just as professor Dietrich Tranhardt has . Your daddy's friends are what , 5 people ? There are hundreds of thousands that are in discussion here , not your daddy's friends . Understand this because this has reached kindergarden levels .

You do not bring in anything against the already discussed issues from which the conclusions have already been drawn . Reply as a respectable and credible person or shut up .

Kamiradski Othead :

ghassan quotes the Jews Against Zionism website and claims it represents the truth.

LOL ....... :bugeye:

Naem Giladi has written BOOKS should I quote from them instead ? Ofcourse not , your one-dimensional zionist world simply doesnt acknowledge reality that exceeds zionist positivism . They can be this they can be that , they are more Jewish than you and your zionist identity will ever be . You are the one who has no credibility whatsoever on Jewish issues not them , but your ignorance shows as you continue again :

If i claim there really are aliens and then quote "rense.com" would that make aliens real?

How stupid can a human being be ? Rense doesnt write his own articles so there is no rense source there is only rense media , can you understand this and refrain from being this stupid ?

I bet those anti-Zionists haven't even set foot in Israel, let alone live there and experience the culture. The pen that wrote that essay is dripping with poison and hate.

Wale up man you already acknowledged this reality before :

http://www.netureikartauk.org/images/arafat-hirsh1.jpg

And besides , are you consciously repressing the reality of the Haredim in Israel ? I know it's a bitch when the "extreme Israeli" is depicted as some religious settler or "ultra orthodox" or whatever , reality is that quite alot of the Israeli Haredim oppose the zionist state . They live there so obviously they have set foot and the damn ground .

The pen that wrote that essay is dripping with poison and hate.

Im sorry it's all completely irrelevant in relation to weither it is accurate and true .

Why don't you just call them self-haters as the manuel prescribes ?

How was Finkelstein Oth ? Did u kick his self-hating ass ? :D

Hypewaders

I was not aware of Braun , Wise and Tikkun . Thank you , the list grows :

Dr. Alfred (Al Fareed) M. Lilienthal (http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/)

Israel Shamir (http://www.israelshamir.net/)
Norman Finkelstein (http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/)
Noam Chomsky (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm)
Dr Israel Shahak (http://www.robotwisdom.com/issues/shahak.html)
Naem Giladi (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/articles/iraqijews.htm)
Lenni Brenner (http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/)
Time Wise (http://home.mindspring.com/~fontenelles/wise1.htm)
Hannah Braun (http://www.robincmiller.com/articles/hanna2.htm)

Tikkun (http://www.tikkun.org/)
JATO (http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/)
Cactus 48 (http://www.cactus48.com/)
Jewish Friends of Palestine (http://www.eccmei.net/j/)
Jewish Americans Afainst Zionism (http://voteforusa.com/jewsforusa/)
Jews Against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/)
Jews For Justice For Palestinians (http://www.jfjfp.org/)
Jews Not Zionists (http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/)
Neturei Karta USA (http://www.nkusa.org/index.html)
Neturei Karta UK (http://www.netureikartauk.org/)
Not In My Name (http://www.nimn.org/)
Taaliyah-Jews Against Zionism (http://www.taliyah.org/jewsagainstzionism/index.shtml) Yated Ne'eman (http://www.hofesh.org.il/english/haredim_papers/yated.html)

Afwan.

Afwan??

I have a question: Is Zion a place or a person? Do any of you actually know because it is ambigiously written in the Bible; 'Come O Zion' etc. :)

2 bad the depicted jewish anti-zionist protestors are ANOTHER flavour of religious nutters....

But at least they want to rule with the bible and not with the sword.....

On another note: I always asked myself why the Israeli government never (at least not visible) supported the freedom ambitions of the Kurds, just to harass Saddam and the other sunnites, after all , the enemy of my enemy should be my friend, but than I realised that this would mean they would lose Turkey as an ally :D

How about : a word does not have to be limited to a single definition ?

Any Jew that actually has a clue about his Yiddishkeit (what the goyim in the zionist state is lacking) would find the use of the ancient word zion for the TZUREH that it is used for by the 'people' associating themselves with this identity, quite anti-semitic.

Zion=land of Israel
Zion=people of Israel

Russian/German/Brooklyn atheists with sandals talking lousy Hebrew=not Zion.

Verstehen sie das, Mucker ?

Not only would they upset the Turks Vortexx ,they would be putting effort into something someone else is doing already. USA was handling the Kurds pretty well I would say .

Yiddishkeit ??

Are the Hasidics as the religious movement founded by Baal-Shem-Tov in the 18th century anti or pro zionist?

Because the 18th century movement took it's name from the actual Hasidics who were Israelites before the Pharisees era, and I believe the european sect have no connection to the original Hasidics.

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Yiddishkheit=Jewishness in Yiddish

Are the Hasidics as the religious movement founded by Baal-Shem-Tov in the 18th century anti or pro zionist?

Are there any other ? Hassidics have been opposing zionism traditionally, as far I am ware the relevant differences between them and other Orthodox Jews is the origin in Eastern Europe and the influence of the Qabbala. I would not see how this would lead into zionist stances, in the traditional sense.

Because the 18th century movement took it's name from the actual Hasidics who were Israelites before the Pharisees era, and I believe the european sect have no connection to the original Hasidics.

I wouldnt know about Israelite Hassidics, you got anything on that ? But no in the sense that you might perceive through this identity-adaption, there is no relation to the zionist adaption of Hebrew identity. Hassidism was religious revival in Eastern Europe, it had no direct relation as I am aware of a supposed Israelite link, or claimed link, that would have anything to do with zionism.